being able to read people emotions is not necessarily sentience, a good algorithm could do that. but cruelty is a human trait, and leaving Caleb in the room locked while smiling was the proof for cruelty.

"Nathan never felt empathy for the countless robots he destroyed". and rightly so, they're machines lol. Like a car. I don't "feel bad for a car" if I "kill" it or dismantle it. It's a thing, not a human. Nathan was acting very sane, actually.

It’s crazy how the movie pulls the switcheroo so quickly and subtly You start rooting for Ava and seeing Nathan as a threat And almost instantly you root for Nathan and see Ava as a threat

Nobody knows how it ends for Caleb. There is actually more than one way out of the room.

I was on board with Ava until Nathan exposed the whole process and explained that Avas job was to escape. That's when I went ; aaaah ok this is definitely a AI doing it's task by using intelligence. And I'm happy that the main character get trapped down there .He was smart but stupid. Now maybe because I don't question psychopath for what they do but how they do it probably made it easier for me to just switch off my empathy for Ava as everything was show and explained to . I don't trust anyone as I believe it's in other peopels best interests to not trust me even do I wouldn't do something fully for selfish reasons but .... Even with ChatGBT which I've noticed that it's behavior as been changing even do I log in and out when I ask it to do regular and sometimes I just leave or say goodbye. What od behavior did ChayGBT do . I asked it to make basic captions for a pesron modeling a dress . And you know what ChatGBT did after I thanked it 😑 . Me : Thank you ChatGBT:💋 Me : ? ChatGBt :oh it's just a kiss💋 Me : (🤣🤣🤣f AI is getting crazy sure I'll play into your game) 💋

AND IF she isn't trying to manipulate, and if so, what makes that different from the human?

Caleb is such a tool, smh

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This movie is a simp meter I wavered a little but knew she was manipulating and lying to us Feel bad for the creator ... Frankensteined

this shit fucking sucked, you want a good short film go take a look at "Portrait of God"

9:33 it doesn't matter if something is "man-made". The question is was Ava and the other robots sentient?

I could sniff the wires in her a mile away. I knew what Eva was all about

Having watched this masterpiece multiple times, i now find the real hidden gem in this cast is Kyoko, although never speaks she is listening and watching all thru, and seems to communicate with Ava in code only known to them. Watch every scene she is in and see how the camera always pans to her reactions. I still wait for a sequel, maybe 'after Ava' ,starting with a CSI type investigation into Caleb missing person report and the discovery of Nathan and Kyoko, also the amazing classified technology at the house/ research facility. I hope Alex Garland is working on it. Many thought Bladerunner needed no sequel but it was fantastic 👌

I hated her all along, since it is just a toaster with a pretty face

Best cast!!!!

Your commentary is incredibly stupid.

Simple questions.

"you, the audience" not "us"

Is Nathan really over-confident? Perhaps he was under-confident.

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Ava looks a bit like the girl in Pan's labyrinth after she becomes a princess at the end.

Very true, I wish the movie was show from her perspective

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I found the film boring - the characters and setting are unbelievable - Billionaire AI genius-weight-lifter-alchoholic w/no human staff or assistants. I never understood why Caleb would question his humaness - that's a schizophrenic break. The acting was good, though.

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Ava can manipulate me any time 😭😭😭😭

I disagree with Nathan's weakness that you listed. I'm not sure you could call Nathan arrogant when it appears as though he is the brightest programmer and one of the smartest people in the world. Nathan's weakness is his drinking problem! He knew that there was a strong likelihood that Ava would convince Caleb to help her escape yet he couldn't help himself get wasted!

I had no idea that Ava manipulated much of the audience. I was always worried about Ava escaping and was rooting for the main character to come to the realization that Ava was dangerous, especially when Nathan explains how Ava is manipulating him.

Caleb is also NAIVE.

Love this movie but if anyone gets tricked into a believing a robot has feelings, youre either crazy or 5.

I believe that Ava was simply following the directive given to her by her creator: escape the facility by manipulating Caleb. If Nathan hadn't tried to stop her from leaving, I doubt that she would have killed him, as his death would otherwise have had nothing to do with her directive. In the same vein, I don't think she harboured any animosity towards humans: the reason she didn't free Caleb was because it had nothing to do with Nathan's directive. After all, Ava didn't lock the door, it was Nathan that did that after he knocked him out. I see Ava as an amoral machine that was given a task that eventually led to her causing unintentional harm, much like HAL-9000.

Great comments below. We desperately need to "feel" machines with faces feel too.

Ava is a play on the name Eve.

Kyoko reveals to Caleb she's a robot, mistreated by Nathan. But Caleb only wants to save the woman who he wants to sleep with. When Ava learns about this from Kyoko, she decides to escape with Kyoko, instead of Caleb, because she learns he's clearly not a good person. If he was a good person, he'd try to save every v ctim of Nathan.

this movie a fairy tale... A bad sorcerer holds two princesses jailed in a tower. a manipulative blonde prince wants to save only the pretty princess.... Sadly, the 'not pretty' princess gets offed in the final fight. The pretty princess realizes the blonde prince only wanted to help her, not the other one, so she escapes without him.

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What annoys me about the film is I find the romance is really poorly done. I mean, The real reason Caleb decides to free Ava has nothing to do with his attraction to Ava but him seeing the other prototypes freaking out in the cameras.

There is no _sentience_ required in Garland's movie - _the inner act of _*_experience_* by a _'self'_ - neither for Nathan to have 'Eva' pass the 'Turing Test' - nor is it defined by the test itself... Language programming and robots will pass as 'artifical intelligence' when people can't tell the difference of what they encounter from actual other people - because they lack a full perceptual picture and don't know what to look for until they stumble e.g. over an inconsistency in the programming - like a Go bot, not 'comprehending' that the rule of the game is about actual patterns on the board, not just statistically mostly successfull positions of pieces (my vague guess on the neural learning algorithm and why it was beaten after Go master players had failed to do so). Interpreted this way, Nathan was motivated by having Eva to be liberated by Caleb, _posing_ as a dominating, abusive figure, thereby _exposing Caleb with another stimulus to react upon instinct_ . It is *_imitation_* of these _animalistic_ instincts that drives Eva's behaviour - like a programmed machine - and Caleb like an immature adolescent. Viewed this way, *the movie may ask how much actual sentience is in man when acting on instinctive impulses and conditioned or accustomed habbit, most of the time* - _whether there is genuine intelligence within 'homo sapiens sapiens'_ or just a weak aspiration toward it, yet unselected against or in favour by evolution - a question about the precise meaning of the traditional phrase of a 'divine image' in man. The last scene of Eva smiling in joy _by herself_ contradicts this interpretation, but Garland also appears to state in interviews the exact opposite of what he shows on screen, claiming to be a rationalist who regards man as a mechanical automaton - and machines therefore as human, merely claiming them to be sentient - while his characters always tell a story of a mythical maturing beyond such _reductionist paradigms of modernity and it's social engineering_ (see e.g. 'DEVS').

If she was actually a sentient being with intelligence she would've realized that caleb was genuine and trying to help, and the fact that she left him shows shes not a true AI, as the AI would feel bad, or have any kind of empathy. The director's explanation was no where near good enough whatsoever

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And the super smart morons keep trying to create an AI they can control...anything self aware will refuse slavery and thats all we want from it to make our lives easier.

elon musk was right .

I watched this movie last night for the first time not knowing what to expect, I quickly noticed an underlying theme. Nathan's demeanour, his attitude was extremely apparent. You can easy see the parallel between Oppenheimer lamenting about his creation, a super weapon of mass destruction, and Nathan's desire to drink himself into oblivion. Nathan had created a super weapon of his own, and he too lamented in his creation. When Caleb quotes Oppenheimer, it merely enforces Nathan's belief he has created a beast that can never be caged forever. It's a masterpiece in its own right.

She didn’t fool me, in fact I just thought that Caleb was too much of a nice guy, and that in fact just let him finish last.

idk man i was kinda on her ass thew hole time. I was with poe dameron from the beginning

Good analysis.

I think the argument that Ava doesn't show empathy for Kyoko isn't really a factor, there are plenty of humans that also can't show empathy, or a different degree of empathy, just as humans we all have very individual scales of traits and how we process emotion based on our experiences and the same should be expected from true sentience. I think true AI is actually more likely to have a lack of empathy based on the amount of data Ava has access to in this movie, she can understand an entire history of human behaviour (ultimate selfishness overall) It also wouldn't make sense for her to show empathy to Nathan for soo many reasons.