Thanks mam. I really Appreciate that.

@@Amirh0424 haha thanks brother.

@@katthekhajiit610 it helps grow more muscle for sure

@AndrewPokornik dude, yep. Can identify with that for sure.

@emrerdem1 it's ridiculous, man. Fell victim to it myself once upon a time. SMH.

@masteroogway4209 Hey, man. I'm have to push back on that. Juice makes you recover faster, not slower.

@@undeniable90 yes, that is correct. However a natural lifter would not be able to grow they’re legs effectively by training them once a month

@masteroogway4209 honestly man. I'm still trying to see what frequency I think is best. I'm at about every 6 days right now. I've been at a caloric deficit for quite some time. So, I will be able to make a more proper assessment when I actually have calories to fuel growth properly.

@@undeniable90for natural you need way more volume for leg growth

If you did then you'd know what I'm saying was accurate. Good luck on your journey man.

uhhh... yeah many Id probably bump up the volume a bit man, haha.

HELL YEAH! LETS GO!!!

Hey man. What are you saying?

Hey! Yeah I knew the real ones would know what I was talking about. All the above I'm totally there with ya on. Appreciate ya man.

Hey thanks brother I really appreciate it. If you need anything let me know

@ofallnames nah, that's too weak and pathetic. I'd just simply switch it up...

Thanks brother I really appreciate that. If you need anything let me know.

@albertwesker2k24 That's pretty much the same experience I had, too. Used to do 6-7 days a week sometimes twice a day, and I was just overloading my body. And ripping my joints apart. I can definitely say they are way happier now that I do less, ha.

the gay experience .

@musashi542 no profile pic, no channel.... people with good reasons lead with those. People with no reasons lead with insults....

@@undeniable90 stop being sensitive , grow up .

@musashi542 Again, if what I said is wrong, tell me why? Or else, what are you doing here?

Thanks brother! Its actually a very underrated topic. If this topic interests you. You should look into Mike Mentzer. Dorian Yates got his training Philosophy from him and he helped set my mind right on a lot of bodybuilding topics man. You'll love it. I like pushing myself in the gym too its just ingrained in the gym culture. But I have noticed the less I do the better results I get. DE loads I recommend if not a full week off training, then light maintenance work for a week. Just to let some of the bodies resources catch up. Thanks for the engagement and let me know if you need anything.

@@undeniable90 thanks for the reply! I have heard Mike’s philosophy and was going to try and adopt some of his principles but ended up being convinced into higher volume (frequency and number of sets) Now going to swing back in the other direction and see how things go after the de load. Going to go down to just 3 days a week for a while. Debating doing a full body split or upper lower. Thanks again for the tips 👍

Exactly. Making an informed decision is what I advocate.

@undeniable90 so don't compare your recovery rate to the juice boys, it's a non equivalent. No apples to apples, your recovery rate is yours. Gear boy could have stronger ligaments than you cuz youth not gear. Will your recovery go up cuz gear? Maybe? I know lots of dudes who did thier damndest with cycles to no gains. Lots of factors out of your control. Gear can be a tool IF your lucky, could kill you if not. Be cautious.

Relax man its not that deep. We aren't deciding the fate of the universe here. Its not apples to apples its important for naturals to know there is a major determining factor that goes into them being able to achieve the physiques they do. Would you agree with that? That's all I'm trying to say. I'm not addressing every scenario in existence, I'm addressing the rule not the exception, one off freak circumstance. And ligaments and tendons are typically lagging behind muscle gains when on gear that's why risk of injury is way higher. JS

@undeniable90 you might not but I make decisions that collapse dementions before you wake up to piss in the morning, your I can't train as hard as the gearboys excuse is cope and you should know it.

@bagger35e oh yeah, that's exactly why I covered this topic. 👍

Appreciate that, man.

Yep figured that out and i started blasting

Not for or against them. Just an advocate of making an informed decision.

Well man everyone has to make their own decisions and weight the pros and cons for themselves. Are you competing?

I tried looking up your channel were you put yourself and your ideas out there. but there wasn't one..... You never meet a hater doing better than you.....

Agreed , people don’t take dieting a nutrition seriously or if they do and don’t see results quick enough they give up. Also you will have to get “soft” at some point to gain mass.

100% wrong to both of these comments. You're telling me, anyone natural can achieve what Sam Sulek achieved?? If you've lived 100 in your prime, the natural human body cannot achieve that physique. The standards of natural lifters are so incredibly skewed by fake natties and false prophets.

Outside of your rare genetic freak. I am addressing the rule not the exception. 99% will NOT achieve this naturally. No matter how good their diets and other factors are.

People wouldn't feel the need to take steroids if the problem could be solved simply by eating right. 95% wont eat right, lift right, Give it the time, and maybe 1% will be genetically predisposed to be a freak. I still stand by my statement as I am addressing the rule not the exception.

Outside of some real genetic freaks. Unlikely. Naturals can achieve amazing physiques. Ill take the Frank Zane look over Nick Walker look any day. Thats me.

Yeah, it's massive. And it's a bigger influence than most people realize.

Yup, that's a major one!

Tbh not always is being able to recover they just can force they joints for much more volume and after couple yrs they struggle with pain or other issues and a lot of the times they cant recover

@TrainingWithJoel sorry think I read the comment wrong. From what I understand, people on steroids have a higher risk of injury because their muscles grow faster than ligaments and tendons.

@@undeniable90 especially Tren. It really depends on the particular compound. Anavar and deca are great for recovery.

@@ManuSan absolutely. I should have specified

Ok.

No problem!

That's good to know. I'll definitely be conscious of that now.

Duuuuudde chill. Ha. Look at the machine I'm loading up. Im talking about Calves in that scenario.

@@undeniable90Also on Calve raises, the resistance curve is so that it is hardest at the top, not at the bottom.

@hamudi4841 that's not true, my brother. Resistance is highest in the lowest stretched, bottom half of movement. I addressed that exact thing in the last short I made called exercise scientist waste money again researching calf exercises. Please refer.

@@undeniable90 Well, simply wrong. The study you are refering to in your short is the study by Kassiano et al. (Greater Gastrocnemius Muscle Hypertrophy After Partial Range of Motion Training Performed at Long Muscle Lengths). It was not a waste of money at all, but rather an additional important piece of the puzzle in excercise science and in our knowledge about muscle length training. The resistance curve of the calve raise is so that it is hardest at the top. Even though it is most "painful" at the bottom because of the deep stretch. If you try lengthened partials on a calve raise, you will be able to move a lot more weight. This is proof that calve raises are hardest at the top. If you do lengthened partials on an excercise where it is actually hardest at the bottom / stretched position, you will notive that you will be able to move way less weight (for example a Squat, RDL etc) If you take rows or pulldowns as another example, you will be able to move a low more weight with lengthened partials. This is due to the fact that these excercised are hardest at the contracted position and easiest at the stretched position (like a calve raise is too) Hope I could clear that up

@@hamudi4841 yeah.... I'm just gonna stop ya right there. You've insulted me twice now. I'm not gonna read 1 word of what you just wrote. And I hope you spent 30 minutes typing it out. Cuz you seem like the type of person who wouldn't admit there wrong even if they were. You've manage to escalate this whole scenerio from a level 5 to about a level 7000. Congratulations your spending time on things that dont matter. Studies are proved wrong time and again that's why I go by RESULTS. That's the only thing that will stay the same from year to year. And if your so infallible then you should be confident enough to start your own channel. Or have you not done that becasue deep down you know your ideas aint worth a shit to begin with?? The fact is your life would grow faster if you focused on it 100% rather than taking time away from it to attack someone else's. It's just a time thing.... and you are someone who wants to use their time efficiently right?

@alexm1841 Hey, man. I advocate 3-4 times a week. 45-50 minutes per session hard and intense. Then, going home and letting your body recover. However people take it outside of that, I can't help. Appreciate the engagement, man.

@refrigerios Hell yeah, Mike has been a major influence. He helped set my mind right on a lot of bodybuilding topics.

100% Man you can feel which part of the movement is the hardest. Science has its place but some things are common sense.

​@undeniable90 love the common sense with which you approach strength training, dude. There is no common sense without wisdom, and wisdom is elusive. Heard recently, and this came as confirmation of my experience working with honest (objective) researchers, from an editor of a highly esteemed scientific journal, that over 50% of peer reviewed published papers are BS. Slam dunk bro. Stay out of the weeds, stay based and work it out. Literally. It's a great pleasure to follow your journey. Good on you.

Limited ROM in the contraction are called shortened partials and are inferior for muscle growth compared to Full ROM and lengthened partials.

​@hamudi4841 Hey man. Yeah I just addressed the experiment. I think the best application is a lot of emphasis in stretched position even pausing and then all the way to the top. Partials have their place in various exercises but not as the primary basis for this movement.

Dude thats crazy editor of a scientific journal basically said 50% is BS. And I don't doubt it 50% is probably a conservative number, ha. And thanks a ton man.

@@jasjones6556 really appreciate it brother.