Is there a reason you went with Nitron coilovers instead of KW or another company on the market?

mine blew at 24k miles, and a close friend of mine blew his at 25k miles. all my regularly scheduled maintenance was done in 3k miles intervals by my dealership, and my engine was stock. i was still denied warranty. fuck that

Interesting, would you say the ts is closer to the behavior of gr86?

Great summary!

Could a Dry sump lubrication solve this issue?

make a clear oil pan take a video mystery solve

Hey all. I plan on getting the 2025 Hakone Edition as a daily driver. Can any owners inform me the long reliability as a daily car?

Geeeeeze Louise the delay of the transmission is terrible, nowhere near as quick to the DCT especially on downshifts !!! That to me is disappointing but great driving!

The dead space and gravity is a big part of the issue.

This is the most informative discussion of the potential oil starvation issues with this engine I have seen. Thank you so much. I learned a lot and look forward to a solution from you!

That Recaro seat looks like it's on it's own motion simulator. Are they supposed to move around that much?

Brilliant video, M2C owner here in UK, such detailed setup explanations. Keep pushing 👍🏼😎

The LIGHTING is backwards,,, can't see anyone's face. The lights should be BEHIND the camera

Thanks for the review! Just a few notes on the ELSD as you mentioned the open diff a lot in your video. I'm not a huge fan, but to me it's bad due to the stress on the brakes, and the fact that you will lose a bit of power when it engages. To clear a couple of things #1. eLSD does work with all off (traction off and DSC off), and that is the best mode for track use, in my opinion. Also, I think you could be struggling with it due to your brake pads (or maybe because you are in GP Mode, not sure). I run with very aggressive pads (Hawk DTC60), and it does feel like a real diff, in that it doesn't spin the inside wheel. However, I have experienced what you seem to be getting when I ran with less aggressive pads. However, that was when I tracked a 2012 JCW with pads that were not up to the task (lots of inside wheel spin, on any kind of throttle during corner exit). I have GP2#37 that I only use occasionally at the track. I also have a 2016 F56 JCW that I put a Quaife LSD in. The GP2 feels very similar (i.e. you don't get wheel spin), but you do get more power out of corners with a true limited mechanical LSD (not to mention the torque of the F56 is huge in comparison). I am not a huge fan of how it shifts to 2nd. As you mention, there is not strong enough 'indent' for the pull over to reverse, but you get used to it over time (instead of trying to shift it to 2nd, just think about the direction of the shift and it will go). I did the exact same thing when driving on track the first time. Also, you don't need to toss it into the corners (but that is fun too!, haha!), the car is very responsive to trail braking and steering with the throttle. It's a lot of fun to drive, right out of the box! Tell the owners to try it with DSC off (one past the GP Mode) with some more aggressive pads (I run DTC60 front and DTC30 rear). One note is that I had to remove the stock bilstiens and put in PSS10 (with the GP springs), so not sure if that could also be related to your understeer/push on exit. When I bought mine, one of the stock bilstiens was already clunking (common issue), so I couldn't try on track with those. Great video, and love the enthusiasm for the GP2!

The roll, you have to push it. It’ll set into it and then it just goes. It feels crazy, but once you trust it, it’s fun

Which dealership did you buy the BRZ ts from? Looking for a good dealership experience (hate dealerships)

I bought mine with the billstein as well here in France, if you get it with the shorter spring they sell as well, it's days and night and fix the body roll a lot. The billstein basically weren't made for the stock springs, but they sell it that way...

I have one, it's my second ND2 I will always own one from now on, it's truly a special car!

I enjoyed the two day weekend racing. thanks to all.

Bad? and?

Tune Dat Btch!✌️

Why so many 944s? EDIT: Gratz on the win!

❤😊😊

25:12 hopefully even though they quit making the car, you can still get parts for the next five years

Sorry im late to the party! Ive been studying this chassis' dynamics for a little over two years right now. I can say that anything over 10kg on either axles is definitely over sprung for a non aero twins. 12kg squre spring rates produce the pitched ride characteristic. Bouncing and pitching back and forth are the by-products of this spring setup This chassis is really susceptible to the flat ride theory. In other words, stiffer rear (usually by 1 kg or 2kg w/ factory motion ratio) than front will yield fast settling over bumps. Flat ride also allows the shocks to run less damping, such that you're running less of a risk of packing down or overloading tires with damping forces. In all fairness i think flat ride will also help with mid corner rotation. Due to macpherson struts front design, at the absolute limit when all the contact patches are loaded up. Front axle usually loses grip first (lack of camber curve, granted static camber can fix this. But thresh hold braking can suffer).... such that having a stiffer rear to initiate that rotation during corner entry to mid corner will further help to eliminate some understeer. Shaftworks' Bilanx line up utilizes 6kg/9kg spring rate spec. I speculate that they have came to the same conclusion as i have discovered. Cheers, im loving your channel's contents.

I’m sorry, just clarifying. You own a 2023 and a 2024?

Great driving!! Beautiful build..... but my Lord what a complete shit box of a transmission. I just cant wrap my head around how slow the downshifts are. Someone needs to devise a tune to act like a dual clutch with that quick blip! After watching this im glad i asked for my deposit back 1.5 years ago.

Imagine If we could somehow sneak a camera and a light into the block during a session and see how the oil sloshes around. Would be cool to see

Thank you for having us on the channel. Really looking forward to our next recording session!! Would love to answer any follow up questions or entertain any thought experiments anyone may have, just tag me in the comments!

I wonder how much attention Toyota/Subaru will pay to your findings?

What has really worked for me. Ive installed aftermarket oil pressure sensor in the block. Ive cleaned all the rtv from oil pickup and installed oil buffle plate. Ive switched to pao ester 5w40 oil, ive constantly overfilling arround 500-600ml of oil. I have no oil cooler or other tuning stuff. Oil pressure stays storng even in hard right turns.

Just don’t autocross or track it. No oil starvation then.

Please test the 2024 WRX RS/TR

And they advertise it as a track car . What a joke. 😂

Oil starvation when turning to the right at high rev's.... Maybe something to do with the crankshaft throwing more oil to one side of the crankcase/ oil pan than the other?

I think a 2zz swapped MRS is probably the most fun per dollar car ever created

is overfill recommended for daily driving? makes it safer but down on power..?

This is prolly one of the major reasons why Toyota is planning on reworking the 86 platform. Using the 1.6 turbo of the GR Corolla with a hybrid set up makes sense as Toyota would have more control over the car and its performance as opposed to being left on the mercy of Subaru and the FA24 platform. The hybrid set up may seem a bit odd. Need to wait out to see how it would perform and feel. OR this could be the last of these cars we may see and Toyota might introduce a coupe type GR Corolla. Would love some discussion on this here. :)

for oil cooling, is it possible to make a more effective replacement heat exchanger sandwich plate?

Really want to like this car but the Subaru sounding 4 cyl kills it for me. Just can’t justify spending the money this cost on something with this sound. Sound is a super underrated part of the driving experience. Numbers are great but you hear your engine every second of driving. Especially when it’s right behind your head. Rather get a used 981.

Great video guys! My 1st gen has gone through about 5 engines now, 2 of them from catastrophic failures due to oil starvation. For the first 5 years it was fine, then I boosted it and dealt with overheating issues. After that issue was resolved, it got caged and then I lost two engines in a row from oil starvation due to high cornering (1.5-2G's), and they were also on long right handers! Now I have a built engine (2nd one) and it has the oiling upgrades necessary for Gen1's (KillerB oil pickup tube, Greddy baffle). I've done the Accusump route with bad results (1st built engine) so now I'm running without one with a half litre overfill (also 20w50 Amsoil since it is purely a track car now). Sounds like similar issues to Gen1 but now harder to upgrade the pickup tube. Hoping your video helps with exposure to get some solutions on the Gen2's. Cheers, Andre.

Love the analysis, but this issue has largely been solved by Toyota/GR Cup engineers. Setrab 915 oil cooler (delete factory heat exchanger), M1 0w40 oil, 0.7q overfill (7q total) and a stock oil pan with angled baffle. None of the 20+ GR Cup teams lost any engines due to oil starvation last year on that setup. This is running Conti slicks + aero. Pretty solid validation that setup works. No need to re-invent the wheel IMO, just use what is proven.

Very good video. I appreciate in-depth discussion about problems like this 👍🏼

I track at Mosport. I have a 2022 GR running SME turbo kit 350whp that has SME’s extra capacity baffled oil pan. It would be interesting to data log oil pressure with that set up. I overfill and have removed the stock oil cooler, running front mount oil cooler now and also dual Radium oil separators to help with overfill and detonation from oil burning. Running 255 square R compound.

The fact that it only happens in right hand turns and not left ones is obvious that is a geometric restriction of the oil pan, pickup tube or timing belt cover. The only other components that are not symmetric would be the oil filter, and the oil pressure valve that could be causing some sort of restiction or release on lateral g forces. If I would go on designing a oil baffle, I would addres the asymetry of the timing belt cover first and then something like a fixed honeycomb arrangement inside the pan to prevent slushing.

Amazing contribution. Need more voices coming to similar conclusions so we can keep pushing forward.

Really helpful! Explained well

around the 27 min mark you ask: " what recommendation do you have for gen2 owners?" does the gen 1 not have that issue as well? (or is it too slow?😛) if not what is the difference and can't the differences be brought to the gen2?

Seems like a new pan is needed. It’s actually insane that Toyota apparently didn’t even test this before releasing it.