Good report as ever, great to see the Dwarfs get a win so give yourself a pat on the back! I'm still not convinced by the grudgethrower and there didn't seem to be too much here to change that - it just feels too inaccurate and that it's so much easier to hit things with cannons even if the damage is disappointing. Hoping it gets a rune to help with this when the book comes out. I realise Richey the dwarf player who keeps winning/doing well at tournaments in Nottingham had two in his most recent tournament list and so they obviously can work though I'm getting the impression he could run all sorts of things and still do well. Thought you could maybe have moved the Engineer while the pegasus knights were off the board to give them more difficult choices when they came back on. He was your general after all. That said I would probably have made the anvil the general in this list (can't believe it's not Ld10 to be honest) and that wouldn't have worked out too well. Bit disheartened that lots of Irondrakes really are looking like the way to go. I now have some models for them that I like and am happy to use (not painted yet of course) so that's good, but still would really like to be fielding as many more traditional troops as I can. Then again if I really enjoy painting them I might get more enthusiasm for them.

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I'm pretty sure you can reform your rangers into open or skirmish formation, but then they count as having moved. Thanks for the report, great as always!

Those Irondrakes are dope! With the Gyrocopters at hand you have the best avaible!

Another fun report. Rune of Preservation seems pretty important for the Anvil.

Can anyone tell me, what they think of the rules of the special character Lady Elise? Has anyone played with/against her? whats her rules like?

Love the bretonnia magic cards! do you know where they come from or where i can get them?thx

A moderate buff to warmachines would just do so much for dwarves in terms getting aggro from your opponent. I dont want grudgethrowers to be oppressive, I just would like for them to be good enough to force an opponent to come and get them.

A perfect swansong to a pretty good edition! 😊 Thank you for casting ^^

Fun show - good to see Rem again after 5 months. There definitely seems to have been a hair swap during this time. I'm not playing ToW in tournaments, so I'm looking forward to getting a couple of old Dwarf units to have as allies for my generic medieval 'counts as Empire' army whenever GW get around to releasing them.

Turn 2 you got punished for your deployment, your army could have been completely be deployed on the left half.

Redressing is done evenly

The d3+1 on the Grudge thrower makes it the "strongest" warmachine. The Anvil turn one was perfect, what about the magic missile?

a couple of gyros will make it in any list for me personally. they just give so much control over the movement. Even redirecting the wyvern or the huge chunky boar unit for a turn wouldve been huge. Easily able to smash flanking wolf riders, even if left alone behind the enemy lines, can put out quite a bit of hurt.

Brilliant content again bud. Vs this list I would strongly consider deploying on your table edge... shamefully of course🤣🤣, buys you those extra shots (if you lose turn 1) which would be crucial. I know you are very mindful of not castling too much for better content but I hope I can speak for everyone watching... we all promise not to hold it against you if you deploy defensively vs a FULL SEND speed list 👀😂👊

Illegal units? Oh, the shame! May I suggest playing next year's tournament with an orange beard and mohawk.

That was a rough game, I think you're right that some expendable redirectors might help but playing dwarves doesn't give you a lot of options for that. Maybe if you had positioned units so the enemy had to charge you through terrain? Though the board was pretty empty. All things considered, that was a very rough matchup and I don't think you had many options. Good effort nonetheless, and at least it makes for a great battle report!

The deployment in your last report was flawless...😘

I do think you measure the guy at the back with the wheel there. Drilled gives you the reform for free, but no model can move further than double its movement value. So you reform for free then spend your actual movement to swing the back guy around.

Orc player cannot declare a charge versus 2 units. In this edition double charges can only happen on accident.

Any non dice movement (marching column excluded) can't be more than double the movement characteristic, so the wheel is not legal, apply this rule in any maneuver, need to be especially careful with dwarfs and their sad 6' max

You could have increased the front of hammerers to the right before they charged the chariot, such way, so that they wouldn't be able to close the door because of the units in combat on the right. It would then count as disordered charge with the chariot closing the door. After winning the round of combat, you would be able to pursue and flank-charge the large combat and immediately strike with hammerers again after choosing the combat on your turn. The game could have been won with this sequence of charges.

Maybe add a second unit of rangers from the special slot? For redirect?

Do you need to maintain the center when redressing ranks?

I know it’s just a game mechanic, so applying “real life logic” is on its face stupid…but the fact that the anvil can move if it loses a round of combat, but can’t under any other circumstances. Feels odd. I would need to come up with a house rule that it can’t be pushed back even if it loses combat. Perhaps I’d even go as far as to say that the charge loses its impetus and no charge bonus for the enemy in subsequent combat rounds.

I know it’s just a game mechanic, so applying “real life logic” is on its face stupid…but the fact that the anvil can move if it loses a round of combat, but can’t under any other circumstances. Feels odd. I would need to come up with a house rule that it can’t be pushed back even if it loses combat. Perhaps I’d even go as far as to say that the charge loses its impetus and no charge bonus for the enemy in subsequent combat rounds.

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Quite a depressing one. Would have been a better game had you got first turn though very likely still something of a rout. I don't yet share your enthusiasm for the grudgethrower. D3+1 wounds is obviously a plus though it made no material difference here, but as it's more or less hitting on 5's as far as I can see it feels likely to end in disappointment. Runesmith with quarrelers like engineer with them doesn't look all that great on the maths front and these minimal extra kills seem to vanish into insignificance against hard hitting stuff from various opponents. I guess your positioning didn't work out in a few ways in this game and you don't get much chance to react to things against this sort of stuff - it looked pretty tough. Don't much like the gamey restrain and reform to get the extra charge distance with that chariot. Maybe clever with the rules as they are, but felt like it belonged in the category of just taking advantage of poorly written rules. The chariot ought to need a 3" straight line move to get its impact hits in my view (I understand that's not the case as things stand). Don't like his two standards on one chariot thing either - has this just come about because they couldn't be bothered to put separate entries for the chariot as a unit and the chariot as character mount in the arcane journal?

I would say the thunders would close the door, but can’t say that I know for sure.

I see “enchantments” are back.

Thanks for the game Andy! One for the book of Grudges

There is some dispute over the back ranks moving that much. Some folks point to the rule that no model in the unit can move more than 2x its basic ma.

On the subject of the wheel with a 2 wide unit and how far you're allowed to move: Page 124 first paragraph states "Regardless of the maneuver performed, no model may travel more than twice it's movement characteristic"

If you're looking for spicy lists to play around with, I've experimented a bit and my Stromni MSU list has been great and won a bunch already in local club games. Runesmith general, BSB with Master Rune of Stromni Redbeard, 3x dragonslayers, all running solo. 3x small units of warriors. Only 9-12 of them. Two of them drilled. 2x units of rangers. 10-ish strong. 3x gyros with steam guns. 2x units of drilled ironbreakers. 6-8 strong. Champ with hand grenades for fun. 3x units of 5-10 drakes. With torpedoes and hand grenades. You get so many early small drops that you own the deployment phase. So many shieldwall units to block a charge so you can countercharge with multiple things. Infinite combat res, that banner is so cracked. Very proactive way of playing dwarfs. Though right now I'm fooling around with fitting in a unit of 4 brimstone copters supported by an anvil. One scary fire and flee harassing unit that can also function as pseudo chariots later. Loving your reports

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Spears? Are you insane? Have you lost your mind? Too much time on Reddit mate?

Make Slayers skirmishers!! They get a -1 to hit from shooting AND they're way more manouevreable without any M4 nonsense

The leader of the nightmare legion is a pretty good model though I guess I would concede that the troopers are perhaps a bit messy. These days a charity shop would probably have put them on Ebay so you'd only be doing the same, you'd just have to make sure the money was used in a good cause...

I am almost 100% certain that the first edition where Chaos Knights had 1+ saves (6th edition) included the rule of 1 always failing.

Very nice conversation, great to hear on the background while painting. Regarding ToW, I believe that the release schedule is being affected by a combination of end of cycle business reports and AoS 4 ed. Hopefully will start seeing more frequent releases as of mid-July

Nice job with the archers. Even though I am also a "purist" with my warhammer armies, the acceptance of 3d prints in the community means I get less push back on my conversions and new use of old miniatures. For example, I use the old chaos snake men for possessed and I am painting up an old chaos bull centaur whirlwind to use as a heavy chaos chariot. Is bugman on the pony-beer cart getting released for WHTOW or is it a generic dwarf leader?

Not got to the end yet, but a few thoughts. I wouldn't give up hope on the colin dixon longbeards just yet - they seem to be so desirable on ebay that it would be nuts if gw didn't release them if they're able to. I find this a bit baffling as I would rank them behind Perry dwarfs and most marauder ones though they do win over the marauder longbeards hands down. I reckon gw did use something close to 20mm round bases for some things if you go back far enough. There were some games notably bloodbowl on 25mm rounds but the boxed sets would feature all the same figures that were differentiated by coloured rings that took your less than 25mm round base up to 25. Not sure if some rogue trader stuff might have had smaller bases. Also boxed sets like the dragon company featured rectangular bases for three figures with round inserts - for dwarfs these were obviously less than 20mm, but i suspect the orc ones for rugluds and harboths were probably about 20mm with the overall base being 75 x 25mm. Would have to go in the attic to check. If you go back far enough in warhammer there are plenty of figures that don't have current use in tow. Old slann armies, human factions like Nippon or Norse (though you could use the empire list for these), things like zoats and fimir etc. I have 'chaos snakeman' figures that there were never any rules for even at the time. There are also figures that have current equivalents but have been more or less invalidated by size creep - my minotaur that came on 25mm slotta bases would like calves in their own fields on 50 x 50s and my bloodthirster can probably only see action as an unlikely daemon prince of khorne. That said your point still stands - I have about 160 Perry dwarfs from 1987 or thereabouts with no reason not to use any of them in the new game and fully intend to use as many of them as I can fit in!

Good stuff, super detailed & thought out rationale for each turn. Many thanks, keep ‘em coming chum!

Personally, I prefer to dab a bit of liquid superglue along the edges of the corners. If it's good enough for war wounds, it's good enough for war games.

weird seeing goblinoid army smaller than Dwarves!

I really like these battle reports. Just gameplay, no banter. Even though the banter in real life games is part of the fun, in battle reports I find it distracting. These are great to learn the game.

Aren't the thresholds for efficiency depending on wounds connected to % of wounds inflicted on a monster? For example it loses some stats when taken below half wounds, like in 40k? In that case it isn't more informative to count them up, it provides the same information abouut reaching the threshold or not whether you count up or down. So it is still better to show wounds remaining to you see if a monster is below half starting wounds and to see how many more need to be inflicted to kill it.

The Bretonnian player made some questionable tactical choices. Did he forget that all models with the grail vow are stubborn?! The grail knights could have Fallen back in Good Order in the end and preserved their points. Also the Green Knight is so versatile and has 360° line of sight. He could have eaten an organ gun instead of attacking the warriors, he could have appeared in the other forest at the end and rear charged the gyrocopter. He was used like a Hammer in this game when he is a scalpel. On another note: Was every forest on the map dangerous terrain? In TOW a forest that is difficult terrain is not dangerous for cavalry. They do not have to make tests unless the forest is dangerous terrain for everyone.

Didn't know Russell brand plays Warhammer

I have seen almost every of your reports, it's been a pleasure all along! You progressed with every game, in gameplay and presentation! Well done 😉