Great video, you only forgot to explain the meaning of transistors gain...
@CTCTraining120 сағат бұрын
I think you are right about the caps but could this be an opportunity to demo the value of a scope checking cleanliness of supply voltages and activity on the controller chips? I appreciate a good working one as reference would be a benefit 😀 Keep up the great work 😀👍
@teslasapple21 сағат бұрын
You should maybe remove the bit where you chuck the customers board 😅
@LearnElectronicsRepair21 сағат бұрын
These things happen, and this channel is real LOL. I think most repair techs quickly develop that reflex every time they hear something go click when handling a PCB 😂😱😂
@LearnElectronicsRepair22 сағат бұрын
*If you are intetrested to know how the ESR meter finds the short in a VRM so easily* kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lah1dtmL2prWh6c.html
@hullinstruments22 сағат бұрын
I work predominantly on test equipment and industrial boards. It's common for manufacturers to use part numbers that obscure the parts origin. and have custom silk screening done so that the only numbers visible to cross-reference lead back to their replacement parts program. That way you need a service tech from their company to fix it. Its getting more common but it's been like that for a long time. If you can find a way to cross reference it with other numbers... Or find a hidden number on the board. And sometimes they take a standard common part characters before or after it, to make it harder to cross referance the original part number. Similar practices are done with IC chip markings and such. They tale a super common part and change the identifying information so that you can't replace it without them. Or hide an original part number under a heat sink or something like that. Just a thought.
@shaus8123 сағат бұрын
My transistor has a hardon when i tickle its base with .06v
@JustInspiredKentКүн бұрын
Made me jump when you quickly dropped that motherboard lol. Probably not more than you jumped though! 😆
@LearnElectronicsRepair22 сағат бұрын
That is the repair tech reflex!
@Buy_YT_Views_867Күн бұрын
More, please!
@Jonathannew-cp7fjКүн бұрын
Great to see you analyse faults... Given me some ideas can't wait for part 3!
@thedaddymac5833Күн бұрын
Barcrest Triple 7 dfi Itox motherboards well known and documented failure within the fruit machine community.
@LearnElectronicsRepair22 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the info
@LearnElectronicsRepair20 сағат бұрын
I've updated the video title to make it easier for the right people to find
@nickbooker5579Күн бұрын
Hi, I don't understand why the resistance readings you got on the MOSFETs imply that the VRM controller is faulty. What insight am I missing?
@Foobar_The_Fat_PenguinКүн бұрын
I think the logic goes like this: The gate of the mosfet is driven directly from the VRM controller. If you have the same basic layout between the boards (same mosfets, same controller, etc.) then you should also have the same (or very similar) readings. You can't know what number you'll get but it should be consistent for all boards. If the reading is substantially different then something must be different. But he's essentially measuring the resistance from the gate through the controller to ground. So the only thing between those two probes is the VRM controller, and it reads different compared to the known good VRMs on the other board. Add to that the mosfet didn't just short from drain to source but also to the gate (meaning the 12V rail went straight through the mosfet's gate into the controller via its gate drive pin), and you can reasonably conclude that the controller is, as the technical phrase goes, knackered.
@nickbooker5579Күн бұрын
@@Foobar_The_Fat_Penguin thankyou
@LearnElectronicsRepair22 сағат бұрын
@@Foobar_The_Fat_Penguin Yes, exactly this 🙂
@gameofquantity96Күн бұрын
Extremely great channel
@mesterakКүн бұрын
Since you replaced the mosfets, I would have at least tested the board to see if the symptoms changed at all. A quick test shouldn’t damage anything, right?
@incandescentwithrageКүн бұрын
Improper gate drive will damage the freshly replaced MOSFETs
@mesterakКүн бұрын
@@incandescentwithrage anyway to confirm that the controller for sure is damaged?
@user-kr8tp3ko8zКүн бұрын
@@mesterakSince he measured short between the gate and ground, it's logic to conclude that the 12 volts went through the gate pin to the pwm controller to ground and also the different resistance measurements confirmed that something bad happened to the PWM controller
@incandescentwithrageКүн бұрын
@@mesterak One way was done in the video. Compare the resistance to ground of the gate drive output pins with a known working chip
@LearnElectronicsRepair22 сағат бұрын
The owner gave the go ahead to order parts. At the moment the post from AliExprss is fast so hopefully within two weeks then we have part 3
@mainecoonmanКүн бұрын
I believe these boards are used in gaming fruit machines. If you can find a solution to the not booting problem you might be onto a good earner with these boards.
@LearnElectronicsRepair22 сағат бұрын
The owner told me thay were from games machines so that sounds correct. Thanks for the info.
@user-info1Күн бұрын
wow super 🥰🥰🥰
@followthetrawlerКүн бұрын
looking forward to Pt 3!
@Dutch-linuxКүн бұрын
you could of just took the controler of the last board and put it in the other board and see what happens... you can replace the controler again when you got the parts in !!!! but that is my view on it...
@LearnElectronicsRepair22 сағат бұрын
I've ordered some now and the post from China is pretty fast at the moment
@g4z-kb7ctКүн бұрын
Regarding marrying software to hardware, there are people doing BIG business nowadays cracking that stuff and removing the checks so any standard hardware works. He may want to look into that...
@g4z-kb7ctКүн бұрын
Having motherboards tied to software is a very, very common thing nowadays in order to artificially apply planned obsolescence. It's very common in arcade games now which are all PC-based and it's only going to get worse so get used to it. Pretty funny really, my old Space Invaders board from 1979 is still working and is easy to fix no matter what's wrong with it yet a game made just 2 years ago is already dead. Quite sad how companies have self-destructed.
@2009numanКүн бұрын
has to be a square grid cant have a circular grid LOL
@2009numanКүн бұрын
those motherboards are for use in fruit machines
@countywidecomputersКүн бұрын
Being an industrial motherboard, you might find that the 2 molex's on the board are actually outputs for powering hard drives etc. In my experience anyway. Not sure if connecting them to a PSU would cause issues.
@aoursКүн бұрын
😍😍😍😍😍
@gameofquantity96Күн бұрын
Extremely great channel
@1JamesHamilton1Күн бұрын
One of my electronic technology professors from 80s once told me, "Jim the difference between you, the electronics technician and a replace and repair tech (R and R tech) is what he called them in the field is that you repair at component level. The R and R is a card changer." He went on to say something like, Card changers are fast and they save the company money, but you can change a card and repair it during up time to have on hand. Who will save the company the most money? Now days with micro and nano technology the fanufacturing industries insist on eliminating electronic technicians. The want card changers and creating more waste. Thats sadly enough the way our society has become. No time to slow down and enjoy what we have. It's Out with the old, in with the new, and most of the time, before the new even gets old.
@LearnElectronicsRepairКүн бұрын
*Part two is ready to publish tomorrow*
@russellslater40372 күн бұрын
Absolutely love this video, I know what I'm making this weekend. I've already built 3 V-I curve tracers, but being able to convert one to a 'Huntron' type will be superb. I thanks you most sincerely for sharing your knowledge.
@warwickbunn12502 күн бұрын
Are the various types of amplifiers used in different types of audio systems ? I.e. do top end equipment use a certain type due to the better quality output, compared to a cheap and chearful set up ? So that you could look at the circuit and know what sort of quality the product is.
@enchantededition68792 күн бұрын
I would have connected a speaker too for beep codes.
@LearnElectronicsRepairКүн бұрын
It has an onboard speaker
@enchantededition6879Күн бұрын
@@LearnElectronicsRepair Fair enough . I commented half way through when you tried without RAM. You did a great job thus far! Hats off to you 🫡.
@enchantededition6879Күн бұрын
@@LearnElectronicsRepair Next to pwr switch
@LearnElectronicsRepair20 сағат бұрын
@@enchantededition6879 Thanks
@budgiefish2 күн бұрын
To put that amount of functionality into something and still allow it to be produced and sold with basic spelling errors speaks volumes, IMHO... Unless of course this is a pre-production 'beta' model sent to Rich in order to discover such issues! :)
@LearnElectronicsRepairКүн бұрын
I totally agree with you
@Lightrunner.2 күн бұрын
Three for one... ohh no,, two videos😭😭 Richard use the force then could be two🎇🎇🎇
@Manticore19602 күн бұрын
Those motherboards seem to be quite rare. Only got 1 hit when searching online from a guy on badcaps forum who uses these boards to run a fruit machine. He says they are made by DFI.
@LearnElectronicsRepairКүн бұрын
I believe that is what these are used for 😉
@Dutch_off_grid_homesteading2 күн бұрын
Heya, 3 MB that is triple tasking lol. can't wait for part 2 😏 maybe part 3 !!!!
@incandescentwithrage2 күн бұрын
Might be outside of your area, I don't know... For that customer it may be worth suggesting a Physical to Virtual conversion of the running OS - they clearly value having the software remain available to them. I've seen software vendor locks as rudimentary as the MAC address of the NIC.
@user-kr8tp3ko8z2 күн бұрын
u can clone the mac, its very easy workaround
@LearnElectronicsRepairКүн бұрын
Yeah Detlef has offered to take a look, he is in touch with Martin
@Buy_YT_Views.4152 күн бұрын
Your video showcases the true essence of storytelling. Mesmerizing!
@DadofScience2 күн бұрын
One of the big take-aways for all of your tutorials, Rich, is the persistent checking of the the test equipment to make sure the reading you are seeing isn't a result of the device but the item under test. I feel this is an critical part of the testing process that novices (including me!) tend to forget. Many thanks from Australia.
@LearnElectronicsRepairКүн бұрын
I guess that is something I learned a long time ago the hard way. Now it is just automatic
@Mcfreddo2 күн бұрын
MOSFETS act just as the old values do- a field device (that's my understanding.)
@3dtexan8902 күн бұрын
The two prong plug you are showing does NOT have a ground. It has a NEUTRAL and HOT. Just sayin'.
@AnnaVannieuwenhuyse2 күн бұрын
My unit came as the new casing, and I certainly agree that it's great! I like it. The buttons are nice and responsive.
@ivanyou57952 күн бұрын
Please connect the input of the second channel oscilloscope to the signal generator. In my 2C53P, the second channel displays the signal frequency correctly (whether it is errors in the program or schematic errors, it is not yet clear) over the entire frequency range. There are 2 disadvantages in my FNIRSI 2C53P instance - incorrect display of the signal frequency by the first channel and a rather strong underestimation of the multimeter readings in the capacitance measurement mode. Otherwise, it is a pretty good and easy-to-use device.
@LearnElectronicsRepair2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the info. I can only present my findings as they occur and I think I gave a fair review and to be honest so did Fnirsi, they tell me they appreciate the opinions of reviewers and it helps them improve their products. Mostly I think it needs a firmware upgrade, I don't think the hardware is the real problem
@ivanyou57952 күн бұрын
@@LearnElectronicsRepair I also hope that the hardware will not be a problem. Thanks for the answer!
@Foobar_The_Fat_Penguin2 күн бұрын
You're the former mobile disco guy. Shouldn't you know what funcation is? 😉
@LearnElectronicsRepair2 күн бұрын
Hehe yeah I should know that LOL
@Dutch_off_grid_homesteading2 күн бұрын
Heya, oke thanks for the review but this is not gone be the 1
@andymouse2 күн бұрын
Kerry Wong just reviewed this and came to the same conclusion as you, that until the software is fixed it's not worth buying, He went into a tiny bit more detail than you and just got himself more and more disappointed and a bit more cross than you ! Lol ! you dodged a bullet. Also like you he pointed out that they make some great stuff and found this confusing as to why it exists !...cheers.
@pmcrisp2 күн бұрын
probably mispelt function, funcation lol
@kristoferokiel79062 күн бұрын
Great review! Exactly what I was looking for, thank you. 👍🏻
@DaveFulmer222 күн бұрын
been looking for a video just like this for weeks now, this is amazing. You explain everything in a way that makes understanding it intuitive. Thank you legend.
@davidhollfelder99402 күн бұрын
On the function generator, I didn’t see that you can have modulation (AM, FM, etc).
@LearnElectronicsRepair2 күн бұрын
No I don't think it has a modulation feature. That would be nice
@trondhansen98962 күн бұрын
after looking at other revew videos of this ocilloscope it looks to me like the one you got has some sort of software problem. it looks like you got the v1.5 software but the latest version is v1.7,maybe you can update the ocilloscope to a different version of the software.
@LearnElectronicsRepair2 күн бұрын
I hear that Kerry Wong had even worse problems when he reviewed one of the these. I'll ask about firmware
@lonndawg75542 күн бұрын
yeah, Richard... When it comes to the second pressing of the touchscreen, I believe that it is to make sure that you want that function, kind of giving you a second chance to check your wiring, to make sure you will not damage the device. It also could be used in a way possibly like an on and off... Method, let's say you have your leads set up in a certain way.... Until you hit that screen function the 2nd time you won't get the meter to respond. I guess I'm comparing it to how some power supplies work... You get everything set up and adjusted and then you press a button and the power supply delivers power. As far as the finicky behavior, I'm seeing some possibilities that their may be some calibration problems... Look, I worked in a factory where I produced a product and some people just didn't quite understand what they were calibrating but they could do the Job like a robot 🙂 but not truly understanding the potential complexity of doing the calibration process which in this case would result in odd behavior and in accurate readings, I am just giving my two cents and trying to analyze kind of what I'm seeing, we saw some readings that were quite far off, but the function kind of seem to work. I hope FNIRSI will reevaluate their manufacturing process, and monitor the quality control in the final output of the product. That's manufacturing speak for... Knowledgeable people checking the product before it ships for errors in manufacturing and calibration to meet the intended goals of the product. These guys generally make good products. I also see some software as you pointed out where the words are kind of poor English kind of a thing maybe it's a translation issue, but that should have been resolved before the product was shipped, But, again reviewers like you feed input to the company to improve the product I hope they give this product to review because it certainly has potential.
@LearnElectronicsRepair2 күн бұрын
Actually FNIRSI thanked me fo the honest product review, I think a lot of problems are down to firmware rather than hardware so hopefully they will sort some of hte issues out
@juhaszpeter4796Күн бұрын
@@LearnElectronicsRepair I think there is a ton of problems with the hardware as well. My copy also has a lot of errors, you haven't found half of them in your video. The three videos on KZfaq are missing parts that have not been tested. I think a basic quick test is 10-20 minutes for the basic functions. then a couple of hours of searching for faulty functions and, when finished, a summary section where you present all the errors you found. The frequency measurement on CH1 is wrong, it needs many more samples to determine the true frequency. CH2 is better in this respect. What else I found wrong with CH1 was the change in amplitude by changing the time base. I don't remember which ones now. It doesn't just look like a simple calibration drink to me...