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@Mongoloidmike987
@Mongoloidmike987 4 ай бұрын
Move away pls
@chetzaiko511
@chetzaiko511 5 ай бұрын
I see a few errors. After being in the service for 6 years and then7 in law enforcement I was finally able to move back in 1976. I have experienced a lot colder winters than you mentioned and I got along just fine with a two wheel droce passenger car that was equipped with winter tires. I can't count how many 4 wheel drive vehicles I passed in a ditch. Just drive according to the weather conditions. After over 45 years in the valley I sold my home and moved to a small town in the western part of the state because Bozeman no longer felt like Montana with all of the subdivisions being built on what was some excellent farm land and with all of the traffic on roads that can't handle it. It's so sad to see wehat has happened to such a beautiful area.
@MissusMassacre
@MissusMassacre 6 ай бұрын
Steps to moving to Montana: Step 1: Reconsider Please stop infecting our state. It is being ruined.
@gailtripp-th3ef
@gailtripp-th3ef 10 ай бұрын
GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN WINTER IS WICKED AND HARD AND LONG OH MY
@shirleyandreas7480
@shirleyandreas7480 10 ай бұрын
Like any other place
@buffaloman5042
@buffaloman5042 Жыл бұрын
I used to live in Bozeman before it got overdeveloped..Can't imagine living there now
@Livinginbozeman
@Livinginbozeman Жыл бұрын
I mentioned something about this in another thread below. With growth comes discomfort, for sure. I've lived on both coasts, the midwest and throughout the west so have witnessed it in many different forms. But, the towns that don't see growth and stay the same suffer from a loss of energy, opportunities for infrastructure improvement and new influences from the people that choose to make a place their new home. Many people moving here leave those places that never see change, but those little towns are all still there and available. Given the choices, I have found towns that are vibrant and growing (albeit with some strains on resources and infrastructure) are more creative, inclusive and accepting than those that are stagnating. I suppose you can't have it all, so it's important to choose what is right for your stage of life. But yes, it's not for everyone.
@rondean2733
@rondean2733 Жыл бұрын
The ones that do not do thier research, deserve what they experience!
@Livinginbozeman
@Livinginbozeman Жыл бұрын
For me it's less about the temps and more about the length of winter here.
@cariwaldick4898
@cariwaldick4898 Жыл бұрын
I lived in Montana when I was a kid. My dad answered an ad for a ranch hand, and moved the whole family from Ohio, out to a ranch in the middle of God's country. I don't remember winter, so I assume Mom didn't make it a year. Mom wanted out when she witnessed two tornados fly over the the fields--while we were living in a trailer. I remember the irrigation: big, tripods, walking through the fields, and raging ditches frothing with fast water on either side of the roads. There was cactus growing in the fields, creeks to play in, a sandstone hill we were constantly digging in, and more than kids could do in a day. Mom said winters could be bad, because at the time it was policy not to treat the roads for snow and ice. They just told people to stay home. Most people took that advice.
@Livinginbozeman
@Livinginbozeman Жыл бұрын
I love this story! I'm so glad you shared it.
@matildagreene1744
@matildagreene1744 Жыл бұрын
🤣 Yeah..If you're living in Bozeman, you can probably afford six pair of boots.
@Livinginbozeman
@Livinginbozeman Жыл бұрын
Six pairs (at least may seem like a lot) but keeping your feet warm and dry is a necessity here. I'm thinking of a friend who lives at the beach and has dozens of swimsuits and wetsuits, and says "they are necessary!" I suppose necessity definitely depends on your location and what you decide is necessary for you to be warm and comfortable. I also never go out here in the summer without a hat (or two) with me. The sun is intense at our elevation and the skies usually very clear so each season brings different requirements.
@iamgermane
@iamgermane Жыл бұрын
She showed Yellowstone I think with the poisonous water!?!? Hot springs are well known. Those springs are only hot because of the Lava dome that is under Yellowstone!
@Livinginbozeman
@Livinginbozeman Жыл бұрын
The hot springs are not so much poisonous as they are naturally acidic in pH. Old Faithful actually has neutral to alkaline pH, but some of the other Yellowstone features can be highly acidic. What gets most animals (and people) in trouble is underestimating how hot they are, as they can be 200 degrees Fahrenheit or even hotter!
@iamgermane
@iamgermane Жыл бұрын
@@Livinginbozeman From the National Park Service: “Water in hot springs can cause severe or fatal burns, and scalding water underlies most of the thin, breakable crust around hot springs,”
@pagehuyette
@pagehuyette Жыл бұрын
@@iamgermane serious stuff!
@iamgermane
@iamgermane Жыл бұрын
Better be rich moving to Montana. Not a lot of jobs. Lived in Great Falls for 2 years and winters were mostly easy. January and February would often bring 50s F temps!! Forget about having ice skating rinks, as the ice will not last.
@juancarlosnegron2358
@juancarlosnegron2358 Жыл бұрын
Im a cold weather person. I love the long winter nights, snow and cold dont bother me at all. Montana seems like an ideal place for me to move to, but my current life situations wont allow me to do that without help and alot of planning.
@Livinginbozeman
@Livinginbozeman Жыл бұрын
Well, everything starts with an idea! Baby steps will get you there.
@margaretthatcher6828
@margaretthatcher6828 Жыл бұрын
Born and raised in Bozeman...They have completely ruined Bozeman. Looks like hip Cali. I had to move away.
@pagehuyette
@pagehuyette Жыл бұрын
Bozeman has definitely had it's share of changes even in the 15+ years I've lived here. Having lived all over the country, I've been surprised to discover that my touchstone for how I want things to be has always been from my earliest memories of that place, whether it be Bozeman or another town. But, going back to where I was born as well as the other places I've lived, I've found that everyone has a different moment in time they relate to as "the good old days." Surprisingly, my time frame for memories is often different than theirs. What I do like about Bozeman is that it offers so many different perspectives since people come here for college, vacations, work or are just passing through. That's what makes the culture so rich and versatile, and yes, everchanging.
@anitakristensen4679
@anitakristensen4679 Жыл бұрын
Born and raised in Livingston. Out of staters have ruined our town. And we are also the bedroom to bozanglees.
@margaretthatcher6828
@margaretthatcher6828 Жыл бұрын
@@anitakristensen4679 Sorry to hear that. I'm in VC now.
@PAGEANDJOHNable
@PAGEANDJOHNable Жыл бұрын
@@anitakristensen4679 It can be hard to adapt to the change, I agree with you. There has been a lot of relocation within the state as well, with many moving to Bozeman originally for school and then staying for the culture and opportunities. Now that so many people are able to work remotely, they are moving here as a lifestyle choice and high quality of life for themselves and their family. Because of the topography, privately owned land and other factors between Bozeman and Livingston, most of the growth is reaching towards the west.
@anitakristensen4679
@anitakristensen4679 Жыл бұрын
@@PAGEANDJOHNable out of staters move here because they like our quiet communities. Thay also want to bring what they left behind with them. But they also want to destroy our parks and historical buildings that still serve a purpose. Even parks that were dedicated to a Livingston native born with birth defects. Livingston and park county is still growing from out of state population.
@Baer79
@Baer79 Жыл бұрын
And when Montana thinks it's cold Alaska has been looking down laughing
@pagehuyette
@pagehuyette Жыл бұрын
HA! When I taught at Montana State University my students from Alaska said they came to Bozeman for the weather. I suppose it's all relative, isn't it?
@jojobaker1764
@jojobaker1764 Жыл бұрын
The really big information is , WE DONT WANT YOU HERE ..STAY THE H*** OUT ..
@Chris-Rife
@Chris-Rife Жыл бұрын
Really its nice to experience growth. It increases land value, brings in money for county/state/city, brings business with it, workers, more funding for schools. I see so many people are like DON'T COME HERE! I think that's terrible outlook very much so if your family has roots in a area. I know what it's like to live in a city that has big population drop from stagnant leadership and no change, and the decent families moving out... trust me its not good. I lived for years in Huntington/Charleston WV area as a teen and young adult. The population in that area lost over 20,000 people in just 20 years, it was losing 1,000 people per year basically. Businesses shut down, people were out of work, prostitutes begin popping up everywhere downtown areas, drugs swept through, people were basically waiting on educated or wealthy family's to sweep through to change the course of the ship and it never happened.
@pagehuyette
@pagehuyette Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of towns in Montana that people move to Bozeman from, and they come here to be a part of the vital everchanging culture here. They are often leaving behind what you describe and seek a more dynamic environment. When I moved here over 15 years ago it was a lot slower, but there was also considerably less opportunity for culture, education and diversity. I have found that most curious people do not want to live somewhere that never changes. There's always a balance we need to work towards when a community sees the growth we have, and I've been happy to see the city rise to the occassion with their updated master plan, circulation planning and infill projects.
@user-bn5mm5yj8k
@user-bn5mm5yj8k Жыл бұрын
Hi there! is -9 the coldest it gets?
@pagehuyette
@pagehuyette Жыл бұрын
Our average winter lows are typically around 12-15 degrees, with January being the coldest month. We do often get a few days well below zero, sometimes dipping into the low double digits, but only for a day or three. Our humidity is virtually non-existent in winter, so even though it's very cold, you'll sometimes see people running around without coats on when it's in the low high 20's and low 30's. We also get a lot of winter sunshine, which, coupled with low humidity makes the cold more tolerable than other areas of the country with higher humidity.
@user-bn5mm5yj8k
@user-bn5mm5yj8k Жыл бұрын
@@pagehuyette Thank you so much for the information. I will be moving to the area. I didn't know that having 6 boots was a good thing to have. I am coming from SW Texas and I know it will be a drastic change.
@pagehuyette
@pagehuyette Жыл бұрын
@@user-bn5mm5yj8k Six is the minimum :) Let me know if I can help with your move. My contact info is in the video notes. Good luck with the transition!
@kaytopinka7
@kaytopinka7 Жыл бұрын
Nope. Winters here are seemingly getting worse. Not meant to scare you off, but we had record breaking lows this past December. You can realistically expect at LEAST 2-5 weeks (not exactly consecutively) of 0 to -20 temps that aren't factoring in wind chill or freak anomalies. Make no mistake. Bozeman winters are Lonnnnnnnnnnng.
@pagehuyette
@pagehuyette Жыл бұрын
@@kaytopinka7 so true! I always tell people it's not the cold that is hard, it's the length of the winters that wears on you. Being able to get away somewhere warm(er), even for just a week in the beginning of the year really helps to break it up. Last winter was really something, wasn't it?
@ccarta192
@ccarta192 Жыл бұрын
It's cold....very very cold!
@pagehuyette
@pagehuyette Жыл бұрын
Haha, it can be right? But compared to the gracy icy days of the east coast and midwest, I was surprised to find so much more sunshine here during the winter. No denying it thought, it gets cold here!
@carolinamay8328
@carolinamay8328 Жыл бұрын
I was born in Livingston, grew up in Bozeman, moved to California and then came back home. Bozeman traffic can be worse than L.A., especially in the summer and especially in the downtown area. Native Montanans are tough. I've never experienced a snow day. I walked from the old high school to the Bogart Grove area--no matter what. We just deal with the weather. It is a beautiful place to live but it isn't paradise.
@Livinginbozeman
@Livinginbozeman Жыл бұрын
I'd agree that living in other places can give you a great perspective. After living all over the country for extended periods of time I would agree that no place is true paradise. I think you need to pick your priorities and find the place that checks the most boxes for sure!
@collincolston8443
@collincolston8443 Жыл бұрын
I believe Sheldon showed us why not to move to Bozeman. :)-
@pagehuyette
@pagehuyette Жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching. Who is Sheldon?
@paulgray3444
@paulgray3444 Жыл бұрын
There are things to like and not like about Bozeman. I hope realtors paint a realistic picture of it, and people considering moving may only see part of what it is like by doing research online. The biggest problem Bozeman has is growth and the problems that come with that. Traffic issues, high cost of housing, litter, some cram and jam housing and more. I hope people also talk about the problems with breathing wildfire smoke and how hard a winter can be. This winter Bozeman was at minus 43 and that wasn’t wind chill. More snow means more snow clearing, less sun and more dangerous roads. The roads in Bozeman aren’t clear of snow like you may see in the East. You can be driving on ice. , snow and in some places snow ruts and holes. It is common for people to run red lights and sometimes stop signs. We lost a teacher or long ago to that. There is much good to Bozeman, but some realtors- if not all won’t show the area or people who are struggling to live here. Trying to sell Montana homes or land to outsiders may only make affordability and other things worse for those living here. It takes time in Bozeman to see problems that you likely won’t see on a realtor video.
@pagehuyette
@pagehuyette Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching the video, I appreciate it and your response. I try to be open and honest about the positive and negative aspects of living here. I agree driving here is quite different than winter driving on the east coast!
@gunman-6646
@gunman-6646 Жыл бұрын
I love the gallatin highway!
@pagehuyette
@pagehuyette Жыл бұрын
It is an incredibly beautiful drive!
@gunman-6646
@gunman-6646 Жыл бұрын
@@pagehuyette absolutely!
@nermaljamslow9024
@nermaljamslow9024 Жыл бұрын
As far as east coasters we have snow days due to safety. We drive on the roads and walk around in the snow just like you but we have a higher standards of safety (and we don't feel like spending 10,000 extra dollars on a truck to deal with the snow-btw a Subaru barely helps in Montana). We deal with the same amount of snow but we empower ourselves to shovel our sidewalks and salt our roads! I was raised to get up and shovel at 5am since as early as I can remember. If you don't shovel or salt you go to jail or get sued as you should (see next paragraph). I meant someone in Bozeman the other day who fell and hit their head and said they have never been the same!! I've seen at least four people in casts this week!! This doesn't happen on the east coast because we all take the responsibility to deal with the roads. I counted 7 accidents here in two days! (not including stories I've heard of people driving off the road at work). On the east coast I have been in worse storms. We don't take our lives for granted and MOST IMPORTANTLY we don't let 6 inches of ice accumulate under the snowfall to save tax money! The businesses in Bozeman don't do anything! Expect to get hurt! I'm not exaggerating. They think plowing is one pass across the parking lot! lol. They do not plow down to the surface. Wear spikes, I'm a very agile person and I can't imagine what some people would have to deal with in the winter. *Most importantly, as someone who has lived all over country and lived in colder and more dangerous states...STUDS, SNOWTIRES, 4 WHEEL DRIVE are a joke. Don't ever depend on those things! They are mildly beneficial. To be safe. Drive safe. That's it. Don't think some old fashion technology will save you. 4 wheel drive will help you get unstuck but it will not prevent you from wrapping your Subaru around a tree like someone did in Bozeman last week. Studs and snow tires don't do much when it snows heavily they are a minor help. Bozeman is a solid place if you have the wherewithal to deal with this in the winter. I have friends that think this sounds exciting!! So go Bozeman!!
@Livinginbozeman
@Livinginbozeman Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your insight on the video! I grew up on the east coast and lived there until I was 18, so you are spot on about the storms that happen there!
@pagehuyette
@pagehuyette Жыл бұрын
This year has seemed particularly tough. Some of the downtown streets are barely down to one lane in some areas. But I've notice this week the plows have been chipping away at it.
@worldupsidedown1
@worldupsidedown1 Жыл бұрын
@CJ Spencer Hello, I'm being nosy here, but can you tell me if you enjoyed Red Lodge? I'm looking into moving to Montana (or possibly WY) and have been briefly through Red Lodge in summer of '21. It seemed like a nice town...any tips would be appreciated. Bozeman seems nice, but probably a bit pricey for me. Thanks!
@worldupsidedown1
@worldupsidedown1 Жыл бұрын
@CJ Spencer Thank your for the information. Housing is definitely expensive. All the best in selling your land, sounds amazing to have 13 acres, but it's something that I can't afford, I'm sure!
@worldupsidedown1
@worldupsidedown1 Жыл бұрын
@CJ Spencer Thank you for the info!