One thing you fail to mention is that Dabura wasn't fighting for survival or to kill straight out. He was fighting to cause slow battle damage to revive Buu.

I agree with nearly everything you said. One part that you said was completely not true. Because if it were true it would make the power levels and the power scaling of perfect cells super perfect cell Dabura in the Buu arc, false. You cannot in one breath saying go Han lost a considerable amount of power, then make the villain he’s fighting equal to the villain he is no longer stronger than Nora comparable to. Gohan lost over 2/3 of his power double. He is a weakling compared to his cell seven years prior. So then when you say so go on did not train for seven years straight all the power he had or accumulated with Goku in the hyperbolic time chamber he lost out on all of that. And then the only thing he had was nine or 10 days of training with Goten while he wasn’t able to fully train for those nine or 10 days because he had to teach Fidel how to fly so I’m not saying Gohan definitely didn’t get stronger because he did. However he is nothing in comparison to his former self seven years prior. And the reason why the stance through the test of time, is because if you were to have 16 Gohan versus nine year Gohan, nine your Gohan mudstomps his 16 year old self. Why? Go Han stop training for seven years straight. 10 days worth of training can make up for it in that time. But Gohan is not a battle genius he doesn’t know how to get that strong in that short amount of time without guidance or help from a veteran fighter such a Piccolo Goku or even Tienshinhan Yamcha or Krillin. Gohan‘s battle intellect and wisdom is not on par with the veterans I just named. It’s not even close. The only thing Gohan can rely on is his inner potential which equates to his inner rage that boy is over. But it’s not his saving grace every time. Go on became so weak he couldn’t even he probably wasn’t even 1/3 the power level of Perfect Cell.. So whatever rage Boosie got was minimal versus fat boo. That is a testament to how we can go Harvey came due to not training for seven years straight. Go home became a 16 compared to his former self not only that compare to perfect cell answer for perfect sale. It would be a miracle if Gohan was even a strong as a cell Junior. Goku fight and felt the power level of perfect cell. That is the main iteration of cell that he fart and went up against. We can still feel is Paulo from other world. So that’s not here nor there. Goku felt a highly suppressed sell Deborah is not stronger than the former villain of the cell ark. Dabura is equal to heavily Suppressed Perfect Cell. The story narrative says the demon king is not the strongest villain in the third arc. He’s weaker then fat boo. Narratively speaking fat boo shit by emirates intentions and purposes before greater than super perfect cell. Because he is the weakest of the main villains. The demon king is an appetizer if you will. Go Han lost an insurmountable amount of power level from not training for seven years straight. This cannot be understated so with that nobody not even you can say the opposite. Which entails go Hans not that weak from a villain he fights seven years ago and stopped training for the entire seven years. No way no how. You guys upscale Gohan when there is no implication in both the monger and the enemy. And simultaneously you guys refuse to digress him and power level when the story narrative gives as clear evidence that he is weak as water. That’s by us. Gohan stopped training for seven years. He lost an incredible amount of power. There’s no getting around that. Nine or 10 days of training is not gonna make up for that it’s not gonna close the distance. Add further onto that Johan really only got half of that amount of time done training, because he spent time wasted teaching Fidel how to fly.

Anybody who tries to defend this trash of a transformation go Han beast, literally has no ground to stand on. That’s how bad it is. Do you know it’s bad when people have to go to unreliable sources outside of the manga in the anime to do their best to justify the treachery that’s taking place. This would absolutely be unacceptable for Vegeta, let alone Goku. Yet, when it comes to Gohan, here we are, smh. Nobody is sayin we don’t have faith in Gohan do to his monumental feats, training and moments. The problem is givin a character a transformation that the character in question absolutely did not earn. No justification.

I loved the vid. I respectfully disagree with one of ur points. Aside from statements, Gohan Beast has zero fears that put him above Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku, from the beginning of B.G. to where we are now, currently. 1) Black Frieza. 2) Goku. 3) Vegeta. 4) Gohan. That’s funny cuz in The Buu Arc it was.. 1) Goku. 2) Gohan. 3) Gotenks. 4) Vegeta.

Goku kaioken X 4 beam struggle should have kills Vegeta Goku’s Power level 32,000 Vegeta’s Power level 18,000

In my opinion i think that orange is only regular SSG blue level.

Fucking amazing breakdown! You deserve every like

9:14 He'll kill us if we go out LIKE THIS. what does LIKE THIS mean? It means AS THEY ARE, what is the current situation for Goku and Vegeta? Oh right less than 1% due to the size nerf. To answer your question about why Goku said Gohan can handle him is because Goku still wanted the next generation to defeat Buu, he only came to SAVE Gohan from super Buu. Now that I debunked your claim I shall prove mine. Claim: Goku is far stronger than Ultimate Gohan Evidence 1: Goku sliced Buutenks in half in base using a kienzan when ultimate Gohan was helpless. Evidence 2: Goku stated his power as a SSJ3 is enough to destroy Kid Buu, yet stated that GENKI from all his friends is not enough for Kid Buu. Genki as shown time and time again is far more potent than ki as shown when Characters use their Genki to fire of attacks like the Tri-beam, Self destruct ( Vegeta's case, semi Cell's case, Chaoutzu's case ) etc. Evidence 3: After removing the Fat Buu from Super Buu his power was stated to increase not decrease proving that kid Buu is above super buu. Evidence 4: Goku was disappointed in Super Buu's ( Piccolo , Goten , Trunks ) power. Evidence 5: DBS super Manga Battle of Gods arc makes it clear that SSJ3 Goku is the strongest Z warrior, even above ultimate Gohan since he was chosen for the SSG ritual and the only character noted to give Beerus a better challenge than Goku SSJ3 is enraged SSJ2 Vegeta.

We witnessed a fatigued Orange Piccolo vs Cell Max. By the time Piccolo goes giant to fight Cell Max, he was already weakened by multiple fights with Gamma 2, Cell Max, and his training earlier that day. Him giving up his Senzu bean was actually a big deal that people strangely overlook. The fight would’ve been different had Piccolo taken it to recover his full strength vs giving it to Gohan. Instead, he went up against Cell Max in a visibly exhausted state. And he still managed to hold him still for the Makkankosappo, all with no Senzu.

I don’t understand why Gotenks wasn’t used more he surpassed Vegeta when they were young going super sayin 3. You’d think as they got older their power would increase as well and pose a serious threat. Wasted if you ask me lol I just thought is my was awesome.

In the back of his mind, Vegeta must be picking up on the b.s. and approaching the idea that some larger force (Toriyama) is intentionally keeping him from experiencing the gains he should've actually gotten from his ridiculous training regimen. Some of the explanations for how Goku stays ahead are pretty out there. Listening to the explanations of Goku's superiority is like hearing scientists come out and say "It turns out Hulk Hogan was right, taking your vitamins and saying your prayers is the optimal method to strength!"

This is still hugely speculative. Vegeta runs his mouth like a hood rat, you can't take much of what he says at face-value, including his inner dialogue. As we have seen more than once, lower levels of transformation can match or surpass higher levels. Gohan's training stagnated for so long that it stands to reason that he may have lost the ability to tap into his true power. In fact, we know Gohan is at his best when he gets angry, which he never really is during the Buu saga. Meanwhile, Vegeta has trained non-stop, like he always does. But we know that his training is _never_ as effective as Vegeta wants it to be, for various reasons. So he may have found a way to go beyond Gohan's SSJ2 power with his SSJ1. He may even have fooled himself into believing he had reached SSJ2, wouldn't be the first time he got that wrong. We're also talking about the guy who severely underestimates his opponents and severely overestimates himself like it's his job. Again, can't take his words at face-value.

Vegeta the real main character, Goku was just the facilitator to bring him into the story. Goku might always be the one to get the plot armor power up, but tell me how developed Vegeta is vs Goku and then you realize the truth; Vegeta is the real protagonist, not Kakarot. I sincerely wish at some point Vegeta truly does surpass Goku for once and then Vegeta gets to realize something he didn't even know was possible. No more is he the Prince of all Saiyans... He has become the King.

Obviously. Power level doesnt just unlock forms lol

no wonder UE is one of the best power up's

What are you guys saying black Frieza slam heavily bg

Yeah he was. Vegeta could go Grade 3 or at least knew about it but he was smart enough to see its weaknesses. Some say Vegeta didn't know because he didn't say anything but he did know. When Goku and Gohan leave the chamber Trunks asks if they would transform to a higher form when they start fighting but Vegeta scolds him for not learning from his mistakes and not realizing there is more to a fight then raw power showing he clearly knew Trunks used Grade 3.

The only scaling by the end of buu saga that makes Vegito>kid buu>SSJ3 Goku>Buhan>Butenks>mystic Gohan>ssj3 Gotenks>super buu>fat buu>Ssj2 goku≥ssj2majin vegeta.

This is what happens when you base a debate on one source and call others filler😂😂😂 Goku clearly told picolo Buu that he doesn't espect to beat him Goku in that form in the anime. In addition to Goku and Gohan fought but you will call it filler😂😂

I think someone else will start writing the story after all the toryama made content is gone I also think the same will happen for Dragon Quest

I kinda like that he said what’s that it’s funny 😂

Cell also has the multi form technique

Ima answer that for u since u got it wrong somehow While its true that Gohan was way stronger than Goku when he got his potential unlocked, that didn't last when Goku came back to life Not only that I'm pretty sure he got a zenkai boost from comin back from death, and another one after defusing wit Vegeta U may not consider the anime and manga to be the same sources but they are, just cause it didn't happen in the manga don't mean the anime is filler Goku fought a Perfect clone of Gohan inside of Buu, which he stated that it had the same power as the original and still beat it as a Ssj So Gohan isn't stronger than Ssj3 Goku

love how dbz turned into jojo, everyone has their own unique stand... I mean, ultra *something*

we want this series animated

I think it's really interesting to see the difference in personality between Future Trunks and Kid Trunks. I feel like Kid Trunks in some instances acts like Vegeta while Future Trunks is more level headed.

He's the Logan of Dragon Ball

I feel like they're trying to make Vegeta a God of Destruction and have Goku be his Angel

UI: Can't hit this. UE: Keep hitting this.

In ultra ego form vegeta becomes a living vibranium suit. Stores incoming damage, converts into energy and dishes out with double damage.

I agree

10:40 (that's not entirely correct) According to Akira Toriyama , Ki is made up of three components: Genki (元気; energy), Yuki (勇気, courage) , and Shoki (正気, spirit). Energy can be "positive" or "negative" or "divine" or "magical" or "unfathomable", depending on the user . Genki = energy = body's energy (physical condition of the body, training or injury, vitality of the body) (can be given) Yuki = courage = emotions (détermination to win or give up ) (cannot be given) (words of encouragement can be helpful) (Goku already did it for his son, you remember the fight against cell) Shoki = spirit = mind (wisdom of the soul, pure or evil) (cannot be given) (it's literally someone's mind so...) so the reason why San Gohan Ki wasn't enough is it's because he had less energy(Genki) than Buu (Buu >>>>>>>> Son Gohan) so yes Buu is much stronger that's also why it's Goku who faces him and not Gohan, it's because he is stronger (Buu >>>>>>> Goku >>>>>>>>> Gohan) without mentioning that it is the strongest version of Buu (kid Buu >>>>>>> Buu-han) (this has been said several times in the manga and in the anime and even by Akira Toriyama) (Kid Buu VS Buuhan: Who’s Stronger? (Tylearned) the video sums things up pretty well)

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Actually no Goku is the strongest at the Buu saga 💀inside Buu body he was tiny and didn't have his full power hence why super Buu would beat him 😭so many statements and guide books stating Goku is the strongest non fused fighter

He is multi galaxy level in manga

Spopovich had a power level of 35 with majin possession 😂his boy yamu had a power level of 39 with majin possession

this is actually taking things out of context, first off:Goku just returned alive and it is stated that once you return alive you don't have instantly access to your full power in chapter 515 by Goku himself when he talked to Vegeta, 2nd:as you yourself mentioned, Goku said that he was going to lose by going out as he was aka as small as he was inside buu, also Goku legit powers down and isn't worried about Buuccolo, the reason for which he said: Gohan can handle you is because he wants the next generation to do what he does aka to protect the earth, you yourself showed it for Gotenks so applying it for Gohan too isn't a problem, also Kid Buu isn't inferior to Super Buu, it doesn't matter which continuity you look at, Kid Buu is the strongest buu, that's across guides, dbz anime, manga and db kai

Gohan has latent abilities, when he loses someone he loves. So potentially in circumstances definitely the strongest and unbeatable.

The only problem I have in vegeta in super is that he says that he wants to surpass Goku again which is BS because in the boo saga, he just let it go. In gt vegeta wasn’t obsessed with goku anymore he wanted ssj4 but he didn’t want to surpass Goku. He just wanted to be equal power with Goku

So basically vegeta loosing those fights could turn into wins because he can let go his pride and everything except ego

Ss3 goku would destroy Gohan

Lets not forget the ppl never got revived because buu didn't kill them vegeta

Goku was weaker than Gotenks, who Gohan had surpassed in Ultimate form. So no, Gohan wins.

Ssj3 gotenks in the super hero movie from my perspective could've almost soloed cell max to destruction

So we’re just gonna lie on my prince’s name? When exactly did Goku best Vegeta in that first fight? Was that before or after Vegeta literally crippling Goku? Or was it before or after Yajarobi cut off Vegetas tail reverting him from great ape? Or was it before or after Gohan actually bested Vegeta using his own great ape. Oh I know, it must’ve been when Goku was crippled and Vegeta was at Krillen’s mercy of all people, and Goku told Krillen not to kill Vegeta.

Short answer is no

Beautiful video man this was peak 🔥💯