Considering how you both have a problem with this shoe's weight, It would be lovely if you weighed them and told us that weight.
@Hankyuo21 сағат бұрын
These are the shoes I'm currently wearing and despite being the best ones I've tried yet they still lack a bit of stack height for shock absorption for sudden runs or big jumps. I could go for Altra but what I dislike about them is that they're not really 0 drop, and unlike with the Lems Primal Zen, the tip of the shoe goes up making them less stable. Does anyone know if there are other options for a well cushioned zero drop large toebox shoe out there? I'll try the Bahé Revive soon but I'm not holding high expectations since 14mm is actually less than the Lems primal zen's.
@sonsofsever19 сағат бұрын
@@Hankyuo look into Topo Athletic or Flux footwear, I don't think Topo has as much toe spring as Altra does in general but they do feel like they have some arch support which can annoy some people. We haven't been able to try Flux but they look like they have quite a bit of toe spring which is what it sounds like you don't like about Altra, but both Topo and Flux focus on wide toe boxes, zero to minimal drop, and thicker stack heights
@Hankyuo17 сағат бұрын
@@sonsofsever Thanks I appreciate your help :) and yeah the arch support is an issue too
@Hankyuo21 сағат бұрын
You guys say that the bottom of this shoe is sturdy and thick enough to protect you from rocks while the website talk about a 4mm sole and keeps mentioning "barefoot", how are these things compatible?
@sonsofsever19 сағат бұрын
@@Hankyuo the lugs are another 4mm, plus the insole has gotta be at least 4mm, the website doesn't say though, but I'd guess you're looking at at least 12mm all together. We've been wearing a lot of Feelgrounds, Splay, and even other Be Lenka shoes all summer that are less than that, which is probably part of why they feel so thick to us.
@Hankyuo17 сағат бұрын
@@sonsofsever Thank you!
@LucianObsidianКүн бұрын
I just want Vessi to make minimalist shoes. Their waterproof knit material is incredible. Do you know any water-resistant/proof casual minimalist shoes?
@sonsofseverКүн бұрын
I don't know of any waterproof casual ones, but there are waterproof sportier models, like the Groundies All Terrain Low Waterproof, that might work? Depends on if you like the look or not I guess!
@pat2982Күн бұрын
Have you done a review of the Freet Impala?
@sonsofseverКүн бұрын
@@pat2982 no. They told us they didn’t want to send it because it’s basically the tundra in leather 🤷🏻♂️
@oceanhunterjgКүн бұрын
I think I’ll get the Grip for more casual applications and the outlander for hiking.
@oceanhunterjgКүн бұрын
I greatly appreciate y’all’s review. I’m debating between these two.
@Gman1024Күн бұрын
That caught my eye as well and has been on my wishlist since I saw it. I don't have any vibram soled shoes and thought these were when I first saw them, but no matter, that tread pattern is what makes them great for hiking terrain. GO CREEPERS SOCKS!!!! Shaun Clark is the nicest owner of any business I've ever conversed with. Thanks for showcasing these Chris/Eric, looks like they'd be a great spring/fall hiker for sure.
@ArialTheCatКүн бұрын
I recently tried them. I really like the look and the toe box and they are soft and comfortable. However, the lacing system doesn’t work for me. I have narrow heels and ankles and need to pull the lacing pretty tight to secure my heels. With traditional lacing I can tighten around the ankles but keep it loose at the forefoot, not with this kind of lacing. I also tried the Wanderer because they have the same soles but with traditional lacing. Wanderer feel great and secured, but the thick fabric bunches up and pressed on my feet when bent. Eventually I got Vivo Magna Lite WR instead. I did sacrifice some toe splay room, but I really like how light and soft Magna Lite are. The water resistant is a big plus too.
@Hankyuo3 күн бұрын
Why do you say that the stack height with the insole included is 10mm when on their website they say that the stack height is 14mm (10mm sole + 4mm insole) ?
@sonsofsever3 күн бұрын
Good question! We talked a lot with the company as the shoe was coming out and somehow that's the number we got out of those discussions, but you're totally right, on the website now it says 14mm total stack height.
@Hankyuo2 күн бұрын
@@sonsofsever Well, I just ordered the shoe, I'll come back to tell you if it feels like a 10 or 14mm stack height (if I remember to, hehe)
@cirino19953 күн бұрын
I had the exact same thought about wishing it was a canvas upper. It would be a no-brainer buy.
@sonsofsever3 күн бұрын
If there's enough demand I think they'd make it!
@snorrevonflake4 күн бұрын
I love that they have a thicker sole while retaining wide toebox and zero drop. Thats why i am buy them even thought they are even more expensive in europe and there are cheaper options.
@Philotimoman334 күн бұрын
Just the shoe I need to get my deadlift PR from 11lb to 12lb!!
@sonsofsever4 күн бұрын
😂
@BuildTheNorthLLC-d8j5 күн бұрын
Just ordered my first pair last week, cannot seem to get any real response from them though. What is the best way to get ahold of their customer service?
@sonsofsever5 күн бұрын
@@BuildTheNorthLLC-d8j send them a barrage of angry emails?? Haha sorry, not much help here, we've heard their customer service can be VERY slow though
@Allan_Garcia5 күн бұрын
Received a few days ago. The high volume you mentioned made it an automatic purchase for me. This is the ultimate slip on high volume shoe. A leather version would make this shoe perfect.👍 Thanks for all the info👍
@PewsTV6 күн бұрын
Any thoughts on how it compares to the Xero Scrambler II with waterproofing?
@sonsofsever6 күн бұрын
@@PewsTV nope sorry! Never been in a Scrambler
@mattwright95966 күн бұрын
I would love to see them do something without the toe cap/top stitching around the toe. I can totally see how that might add some durability for folks that are actually wearing them to skate, but for me it's an extra detail that bugs me. Bohempia seems to have the sleekest silhouette in this style. I do really appreciate the Splay pricing model and can see that these are a great attainable entry point for the barefoot-curious. Are the 2.0s made in Mexico?
@sonsofsever6 күн бұрын
@@mattwright9596 no, they've moved their production to China, guessing it was the only way to keep the price down
@ollewernersson38376 күн бұрын
What about the Be Lenka Ranger 2.0? They look similar, and while they aren't grounded, that's not a big deal for me as I'd like to see more scientific evidence on grounding before considering its benefits. You reviewed the Be Lenka York. Was there any particular reason you chose that boot instead of the Be Lenka Ranger 2.0?
@sonsofsever6 күн бұрын
They were out of our sizes and not restocking for the rest of the season haha. We would LOVE the Ranger, definitely trying to get our feet in them this fall/winter
@user-ws9di5kp9h7 күн бұрын
This is a little ridiculous, first rock you stub your toe on gonna have you feeling major regret.
@mechsupernova7 күн бұрын
I just ordered a pair of these, I can't wait to try them out. I tend to go barefoot everywhere, these will be good for places that don't approve or when the grounds too hot😁
@sonsofsever6 күн бұрын
You'll have to let us know how you like them! Going from totally barefoot to these will be pretty different, but they're so dang comfy we think you'll love them.
@Iconic_Scarab7 күн бұрын
Try some Bedrock sandals next. Luna’s as well.
@Iconic_Scarab7 күн бұрын
You should try the wool version of the Injinji’s to compare to the Creepers
@randysheckler7637 күн бұрын
Dang I wish I'd seen this before I ordered my Lems. I would've definitely tried the Jim Green African Trooper, it looks like just what I've been looking for for years. I prefer a taller boot, I've worn 8 inch work boots most of my life and I've often thought, "why in the world does nobody build a tall boot with a flexible sole?" Oh well, after I walk through the soles of the Lems I'll try the Jim Greens. Then I'll be able to compare.
@randysheckler7637 күн бұрын
I really liked the look of the Xero Denver leather, and they up and discontinued it. :( I strongly prefer leather, so that swayed me toward Lems.
@DavidLitvakB7 күн бұрын
I've got my first pair of Earth Runner Circadians with the Adventure Laces (the hard ones) about 10 days ago, I've had them pretty much glued to my feet since, we're currently under extremely strong heat in Spain, and cannot wear closed shoes... even if my Vivobarefoot Addis are pretty breathable For the first few days, they were a bit rough in between my toes, and the canvas was eating up the skin at the bottom of the heel a little bit more than any other sandal I've used before, after 5 or so days, and taking the sandals by the water, they have fully broken in, and now I can use them the whole day long without any pain or discomfort. The single adjustment I need to make, is that when wet, the material on the laces shrinks and softens a bit, and to keep the sandals tight, I need to tighten the strap a little bit, otherwise they become a bit loose, which, while I don't mind because they don't come off, I prefer having them snug. They have been an absolutely great purchase, and cannot be happier with them so far!
@user-ws9di5kp9h7 күн бұрын
Here from rose anvil. Easy sub.
@carmelogiuseppe38058 күн бұрын
Me 😅 would love to experience waterproof five fingers
@andrewshroyer85328 күн бұрын
As far as the suede goes on these shoes, i know you guys have sinilarly cold winters in Utah. Do you think they would hold up decent in the winter time witn keeping your fert waremr with the suede lining?
@sonsofsever8 күн бұрын
@@andrewshroyer8532 with the right socks, these will be fine in winter. Though not even a little waterproof haha so keep that in mind
@andrewshroyer85328 күн бұрын
@@sonsofsever thanks guys. Other than Flux, I'm not even aware of a waterproof running shoe/sneaker. Always been a huge lems fan though so thought I would give these a shot this winter
@kitcraft95168 күн бұрын
I haven't found a pair of huarache sandals that I can keep on my feet. The heel strap always slides down, no matter how they are adjusted. Idk if it is my foot shape, the volume or what but I have to use an extra strap like on Xeros or Lunas tech straps. Not really a fan of that either. Now, I haven't tried these so I can't say for sure that they won't work but I have two pair of homemade huaraches and have the same issue with those as well, lol. I've really been considering a pair of bedrock sandals because they look like they secure to your foot better. Maybe a bit higher in stack height than I would prefer but it would be a compromise I'd be willing to make. Have you had any experience with Bedrock? Thanks for another video, guys!
@sonsofsever8 күн бұрын
No experience with Bedrock yet, hopefully someday!
@ollewernersson38378 күн бұрын
Do these Feelgrounds Move have a wider toebox than Xero Prio?
@sonsofsever8 күн бұрын
@@ollewernersson3837 comparing my Prios to these, it’s hard to tell a difference
@ollewernersson38378 күн бұрын
@@sonsofsever Is there any other company than lems that makes a wider toebox than Xero? Lems has high transport fees to sweden
@sonsofsever8 күн бұрын
@@ollewernersson3837 look into Be Lenka, they're in Europe and have really nice toe boxes, wider than Xero in our experience
@ollewernersson38378 күн бұрын
@@sonsofsever Thanks for the tip! Im liking what I see so far
@sonsofsever8 күн бұрын
@@ollewernersson3837 we've got a few reviews up on some boots, high top sneakers, and a gym shoe, go check em out!
@PaulGagnon-r6h8 күн бұрын
They ruined the good design they had with Primal 2--the Primal 3 is a big departure from true barefoot design & is guaranteed to cause arch pain in those of us who prefer not to have a huge chunk or rubber where we don't need it.
@joelhorlen20-zk3xr8 күн бұрын
I've been wearing Earth Runners for four years and, of course, I love them. In all that time, I've never had the buckle come undone on its own. And, those strap contact points on the bottom have held up fine. The material is tougher than you think and the weight of your body/foot is minimal at those points. The key to strap comfort is breaking them in slowly and following the tips the company suggests. It may take some patience. Well worth it! This product has improved my life markedly on multiple levels.
@sonsofsever7 күн бұрын
@@joelhorlen20-zk3xr thanks for sharing your experience with them! That's awesome the laces have lasted so long, definitely puts my mind at ease about 'em
@millone33938 күн бұрын
Toetem are my favorite
@kerryrwac8 күн бұрын
The Jim Green Slip Slops are better made.They just released the how they're made video today.
@sonsofsever8 күн бұрын
@@kerryrwac from what we know about Jim Green, most likely, but you definitely couldn't run in Slip Slop haha.
@kerryrwac8 күн бұрын
@@sonsofsever probably not lol.
@sephyrsnapback9 күн бұрын
I hope you are gonna receive the new chealse boot from Xeros🥾
@sonsofsever9 күн бұрын
@@sephyrsnapback the new what? 🤔😂 🤫
@deemich181510 күн бұрын
Is the toe box wider than primal 2 or the same?
@sonsofsever10 күн бұрын
@@deemich1815 it’s the same to my foot. The sole is wider, the toebox is not
@91dyates10 күн бұрын
What was the average temperature for your hikes when wearing these boots outdoors? How did they hold up to the cold, and how did you insulate to maintain the optimum comfort?
@sonsofsever10 күн бұрын
@@91dyates it was the dead of winter, so regularly in the 30s. These are definitely built for warm weather, there's no insulation at all. We had on mid weight merino wool socks to help keep our feet warm, I'd go as thick as you could if you really want to use them in the winter.
@charliefowkes115811 күн бұрын
Which Vibram five finger would you recommend for an all rounder? Gym, walking, trail walking etc thanks
@sonsofsever11 күн бұрын
@@charliefowkes1158 this one
@jeremebonesaw12 күн бұрын
Great review. I use the lems outlander as a workbook. This looks like a good runner-up with that protective toe cap. How would you compare the 2 if you had to guess? Wider toe box or the same?
@sonsofsever12 күн бұрын
@@jeremebonesaw the Rediscover is definitely noticeably wider
@pavelborisov51512 күн бұрын
Finally, the boots that don't smash fingers
@Laotzu.Goldbug13 күн бұрын
The new sole shape on this looks a little more tapered around the middle than some of the other shoes like the Orginal or the Droptop. Do you think it is less wide there? If so would the lacing mitigate that?
@sonsofsever13 күн бұрын
If it is we have really noticed cause our mid soles seem to be fairly narrow, but I think that the laces and the upper would definitely mitigate it, the lacing is versatile and the upper is pretty stretchy
@cherryb610513 күн бұрын
Would like to know how they compare to the Lems Outlander.
@sonsofsever13 күн бұрын
@@cherryb6105 a comparison video we will absolutely be making this fall/winter. The outlander is my OG favorite barefoot hiking boot. It’ll be a tight one between these two
@YouGotServed83513 күн бұрын
No, ALL shoes should definitely NOT be like this, however a MUCH larger percentage of them should be.
@sonsofsever13 күн бұрын
@@YouGotServed835 subjective 🤷🏻♂️
@YouGotServed83513 күн бұрын
@sonsofsever JOB SITES, mountain climbing, cycling, water.... could keep going on & on. As a fellow advocate for the traits & benefits of these shoes, maybe it's best not to make broad statements about barefoot shoes that end up being used as ammo against us. Or just lawsuits, hmm hmm Vibram.
@sonsofsever13 күн бұрын
@@YouGotServed835 …. I’m confused but ok 😂
@Gman102413 күн бұрын
Great piece from Bahe, such a large market for folks who need a work boot, putting them on my wishlist. Thanks for showcasing them, good job Bahe.
@netanelk612713 күн бұрын
what socks in 5:12? are they wide?
@sonsofsever13 күн бұрын
@@netanelk6127 we only wear toe socks, those are from a brand called notsox
@stevenacton35913 күн бұрын
a Rose Anvil inspired sole??
@sonsofsever13 күн бұрын
@@stevenacton359 not sure about that. It’s the same pattern they had on their previous running Shoes, just beef up. The lugs are deeper.
@hood4thought69913 күн бұрын
Thank you for reviewing these 👍🏽! They look great, especially the bark color way! Are they wider than the revive? They look a bit more anatomically foot shaped compared to the revive and hopefully their updated edition of the revive, if they ever make one, will have this wider toebox! Do you think these will be warm enough for the winter in New England? We mostly get under 20 degree F weather, but our region just like the world has been warming up 😢. I am not sure I will be on time to get the first batch. Do you have an idea on when their second batch will be shipped? Great video guys! Glad yall were able to add the part about staying true to size, I have noticed many European companies are not as aware of how many of their customers have wider feet! Keep up the great work, guys! We in the barefoot/ natural movement community are lucky to receive your help with these videos!
@sonsofsever13 күн бұрын
They do feel a little wider than the Revive to me yes. Something we've noticed with waterproof boots in general is that they've become pretty versatile when it comes to outside temperature, and using the right sock goes a long way. It was over 90 degrees F the day we filmed, obviously it was hot but my feet weren't uncomfortable. I think in the winter with a pair of good wool socks these will do well at keeping feet warm. And no sorry, we're not sure about their release schedule as far as the next batch goes
@hood4thought69911 күн бұрын
@@sonsofsever thanks for this useful info! Do you mind sharing your foot width and length measurements and the size you picked?
@mykelseverson1713 күн бұрын
I need me some! ;)
@jessievideos1713 күн бұрын
How breathable is the material? Did your feet really hot wearing them? I live in Jamaica, so I’m been deciding on the bahe rediscover or the lems boulder summit so I’m looking for hiking boots good for warm climates
@MattySparky13 күн бұрын
Have a look at the Jim Green Ranger Barefoot boots, they're made for South Africa which can get quite hot
@sonsofsever13 күн бұрын
@@jessievideos17 this definitely breathes better than the boulder summit. The footage you see in the video, it was over 90° that day. Neither of us mentioned our feet being particularly hot.
@jessievideos1713 күн бұрын
@@sonsofsever did you also try them on pavement? Also how did they feel on your heel? Was there a lot of rubbing?
@sonsofsever13 күн бұрын
@@jessievideos17 we haven't used them a ton on pavement no, but when we did take them out there wasn't any significant rubbing on the heel, they are very comfortable!
@andreashjalmarsson988613 күн бұрын
I miss information on sizing, true to size? What about insole? Thanks for great review!
@sonsofsever13 күн бұрын
@@andreashjalmarsson9886 true to size for us. Insole is 4mm and removable