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@qualquan
@qualquan 16 күн бұрын
good description but no explanation
@JoeWolfe
@JoeWolfe 15 күн бұрын
This video is section 4.6 in the volume of Physclips about light. www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/light/interference/index.html 4.6 is a demonstration and its explanation is in section 4.5. You may also need to go back to Chapter 1: The Nature of Light www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/light/nature-of-light/index.html
@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole
@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole 27 күн бұрын
Instead of the Rule of Thumb, we could even call it the “Ruler of Thumb!”
@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole
@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole 27 күн бұрын
Brings up the question of A432Hz Scientific Pitch as being preferable to singers since it is a geometrically-related frequency.(Harmonic ratios in geometrical division and angles). Considering that A440hz standard ptich is an arbitrary pitch that is not related to mathematical ratios, is vocal resonance easier to produce if fine-tuned a bit higher or lower than A440 hz? There are specific vocal register shifts between the base, tenor, alto and soprano “areas” of the human voice. Especially from F to F#, and B to C. These are very specific areas on the chromatic scale. One would think there here could be a specific frequency in that spectrum that maximizes the tone of the voice. Not to mention potentially making it easier to sing to, and thereby putting less physical stress on the voice. Excellent and provocative video. Thank you, and do visit my channel, _The Acoustic Rabbit Hole_ concerning my Theory of Pitch Psychology which claims to have identified specific themes and emotions to specific keys/notes.. Be well! Your, _Acoustic Rabbit Hole_
@JoeWolfe
@JoeWolfe 26 күн бұрын
You are correct in saying that pitch references are to some extent arbitrary and there are arguments about which is best. Humans have different voice ranges. They come in different sizes and shapes so the range of their vocal resonances also vary. So, in principle, we'd expect that different pitch references might suit some singers better than others. However, the difference between 432 and 440 is not great, even compared with the day-to-day (or morning to evening) variation in singing ranges or vocal resonance ranges. A larger variation comes from 'original instrument' performances of baroque works. Often these use A = 415 Hz. This can make life easier for sopranos and tenors: their 'high C's in baroque tuning have the same frequency as a high B in modern tuning. Conversely, baroque pitch makes very low notes harder to sing. I don't know whether anyone has studied resonance tuning in baroque pitch. Woodwind instruments provide a practical constraint on changing pitch references, because the tuning slide doesn't affect all notes in the same way: 'long tube' notes are affected less that 'short tube' notes. Modern woodwinds play well in tune at roughly A = 440 Hz or a bit higher. Recreation baroque instruments are usually made to play at 415 Hz.
@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole
@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole 26 күн бұрын
@@JoeWolfe Indeed, I didn't quite consider the in-between pitch reference of Baroque tunings. Your response was a valuable assessment of pitch-reference challenges throughout history. Thank you! In addition to meditation on the textural differences of A432 vs. A440 vs. A444hz (Shcumann Resonance, Earth's Atmosphere), I am observing the "primal" pitches as called or cried by different animals. Birds are bit more a chore to isolate and table a specific frequency on my tuners. I am convinced that not only is our hearing spectral (C/"red" to F/"lime-green as the warmer colors and F#/"green" to B/"magenta are the cooler notes. Meaning each note has a specific textual quality. Fore example F# always as a buzzy sort of twangy sound to it. Marking it as green reminds that F# is a pivotal note is the vocal register-shift from F to F#. Also, just as C is the opposite of F#, so is C/red the tritone of F#. Further, the color green divides or "splits" the 12 tone color wheel just as F# splits the octave of Middle C to a higher C. There is clearly a REASON that Middle C is associated as the _center_ of the keyboard. In my work I have confirmed thus far that animals do not sing in A440 concert pitch. Which is not surprise. Ha. I have found that in general they DO tend to pitch lower, rather than higher. And, yes, closer to a432hz than A440! At the moment my focus is to prove a general psychology of the keys (by analyzing song-lyric themes and thematic choices of Classical works. I also am working to prove that the reason people have perfect pitch at all is because they have learned or have always been able to identify at note by it's intrinsics texture (coloring). Which can be seen parallel to the color spectrum. Right down to the try-tone complimentaris.. And I'm bringing attention to my channel by creating stunning Sia music videos!
@mickael.alkemia
@mickael.alkemia Ай бұрын
This is by far the most interesting video I have seen on vocal resonance! It's brilliant! Thank you.
@JoeWolfe
@JoeWolfe Ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words. This has been a theme in our lab's research, so we thought we should make a video explanation for singers..
@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole
@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole 23 күн бұрын
It just hit me that this videos systematically explains how overtone throat-sining works.
@JoeWolfe
@JoeWolfe 21 күн бұрын
@@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole Yes, overtone or harmonic singing is an application of resonance tuning. I spoke a little about harmonic singing in this talk, starting at 11:30 and showed a measurement, but I didn't discuss it in any detail.
@danr308
@danr308 2 ай бұрын
Game changer! Thanks so much!
@ojaichuck
@ojaichuck 3 ай бұрын
Problem is all these methods rely on knowing the height of the refernce object. A human or known object is fine but what if yor object is unknown?
@JoeWolfe
@JoeWolfe 15 күн бұрын
If the object is close (e.g. less than a metre) you can use parallax - the slightly different views you get from each eye.
@AYANKOJIEDITZ
@AYANKOJIEDITZ 3 ай бұрын
Sir i was scrared that how u got theta , but then realised its sin theta can u plzz mention it bcz students like me take 2days to understand
@JoeWolfe
@JoeWolfe 21 күн бұрын
Depending on how you measure, it's either theta or tan theta or sin theta. For small angles (as in this case), these are all approximately equal.
@user-sg5yt8bi9f
@user-sg5yt8bi9f 3 ай бұрын
NO METRIC!
@anoopchandra.7506
@anoopchandra.7506 5 ай бұрын
W
@wisewise7396
@wisewise7396 5 ай бұрын
Fantastic ❤❤❤❤❤ Thank you
@kpec3
@kpec3 5 ай бұрын
Really amazing. I need to work with this. Thank you!
@thedesignerblacksmith5953
@thedesignerblacksmith5953 5 ай бұрын
Interesting, but other from human and building, as we have known how tall they are, I think further application of this method need to work on more, like how to measure tree height with you thumb or so
@teddydunn3513
@teddydunn3513 5 ай бұрын
Where can I hear r2f0?
@JoeWolfe
@JoeWolfe 5 ай бұрын
It might take time to find an appropriate file because John and I are now both retired. And you might be disappointed: R2:fo doesn’t sound much different from R1:fo - after all, a resonance is a resonance. The difference in sound is mainly that R2:fo usually, though not always, is used at higher pitch.
@JoeWolfe
@JoeWolfe 2 ай бұрын
Sorry for the delay. I posted a sound file on this page: www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/broadband.html
@James-hy8gu
@James-hy8gu 5 ай бұрын
"Calibrate your instruments" I love that
@velcroman11
@velcroman11 6 ай бұрын
I was interested in learning the rule of thumb. Was not getting it. Then I came here. DUH!
@voicemagic
@voicemagic 6 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you! Will it be possible to get hand on this training system for sopranos? Do you think that sopranos who are trained overtone singers can learn this R2fo tuning more easily?
@JoeWolfe
@JoeWolfe 6 ай бұрын
i) The system we used would be hard to reproduce at home and we have no current plans to develop a do-it-yourself version. (We are physicists, not software developers.) ii) We've never had a soprano overtone singer in the lab. However, I'd expect that such a singer would have a big advantage in learning R2:fo tuning.
@voicemagic
@voicemagic 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for your quick reply :-) @@JoeWolfe
@phr3ui559
@phr3ui559 7 ай бұрын
nice
@tingtang9302
@tingtang9302 7 ай бұрын
Cool!
@fonwoolridge
@fonwoolridge 7 ай бұрын
Brill!
@richardburton6182
@richardburton6182 8 ай бұрын
How do I know that there aren't photons in the machine that aren't being detected by the detector?
@JoeWolfe
@JoeWolfe 8 ай бұрын
There's a calibration I should have mentioned. Photomultiplier tubes (PMTs) have efficiencies of tens of percent, so it's not hard to satisfy the condition of only one photo or fewer in the volume at a time. (And even if the efficiency were low, we'd not expect it to change over the time of the experiment so we'd still have the paradox that, at some angles, more photons in produce a weaker signal at the PMT.)
@andrewarthurmatthews6685
@andrewarthurmatthews6685 8 ай бұрын
You have made a very simple rule of thumb very different to understand.
@fvrrljr
@fvrrljr 8 ай бұрын
FORGET IT ! i'll stick to how many minutes it takes me to walk long distances
@vintageguitarz1
@vintageguitarz1 8 ай бұрын
This is WHY Physicists are always Full of Crap! The EASY WAY (I was taught this in USAF Pilots Survival Class), so I didn't invent it and NEITHER DID THIS Quack Phys! - You want to know a distance to a point without a Field Compass or any other device (including Algebra). 1) Face that point, and hold out your arm (Right or Left) and hand STRAIGHT with your Thumb Up and One of your eyes closed. NOTE THE POINT in the distance that your Thumb OBSCURES. Then Open your OTHER EYE and close the first one, now NOTE THAT the position your thumb covers is DIFFERENT, and Note that Point. THIS IS CALLED "PARALLAX". Now estimate that distance between the two NOTED POINTS by using the width of Trees, Houses, Cars (length), or other familiar landmarks. 3) Take that ESTIMATED width between the TWO THUMB POINTS and ADD A ZERO (0). So, if the estimated width was 30 (American) feet, the distance away is 300 FEET! Estimated Width is 100 feet, then the distance is 1000 Feet away. (Same works with that stupid Metric system). You'd be surprised to find, UNLESS YOU'RE A DUNCE at estimating, you will be within 10% CORRECT!! BTW ---- THIS IS CALLED THE ORIGINAL "Rule of Thumb" as used in Ancient Europe some 2,000 years ago, INCLUDING by the Roman Army; our ancestors were pretty damn smart (unlike Australian Physicists!) (Me - PhD. Evolutionary Paleontologist, Univ of Chicago, USAF Capt. ret. 20th SOS, 27th Spl Ops Wing, 20 years, Nam 1970-73)
@Old52Guy
@Old52Guy Жыл бұрын
This is excellent. I'm tired of people saying the distance is 500 yards when it is actually just over 200 yards. Thanks!
@chrisfournier6144
@chrisfournier6144 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation!
@themistoklischronis8510
@themistoklischronis8510 Жыл бұрын
Joe, thanks for this. I have the experiment, performed it, works wonderfully. I have a question regarding your comments between minute 2:20 to 3:00. What do you mean "more photons but less signal" and how does this tie to the rest? While we are at it, ould you recommend any additional experiments where we can take advantage the TeachSpin's set up? Thanks again
@JoeWolfe
@JoeWolfe Жыл бұрын
Your question goes straight to the truly astonishing point: we have a beam of photons with certain phases. Then we add to that beam another beam with opposite phases. The two beams cancel out. Adding more photons gives (at this point in the interference pattern) fewer photons. In the wave picture, this is no surprise. Several chapters of Physclips before this one lead us to expect destructive interference of waves that are π out of phase. It's when we use the particle picture that it seems strange: by opening the second slit, we've doubled the number of photons entering the apparatus but, at this particular point in the interference pattern, we suddenly get near zero detection. (Elsewhere, of course, the interference pattern has become four times as intense and, on average, the number of photons in the pattern has doubled.) As Abhishekshar11 below seems to say: It's not hard to understand, it's just hard to believe! Other experiments? I know of no other table-top experiments that are as clear as this one. And this gear is well designed for just one purpose. However, there are many other cases of destructive interference that raise the same issue, of course and these are good to think about. For example, consider the anti-reflection coating on camera lenses or some spectacles. As discussed in the Thin Films section of Physclips, these give greater transmission of light into the camera and less light reflected back. No surprise. But consider this from the point of a photon: how does the photon entering the MgF layer 'know' that it will soon encounter glass? what if it were just a thick medium of MgF? How does it 'know' not to be reflected? Have fun!
@weerobot
@weerobot Жыл бұрын
Cool
@TroyQwert
@TroyQwert Жыл бұрын
I use a more simple technique: I look at the object in the distance and think: that object is so freaking far away from me. Or - this object is not so much far away. And you know, every time I double check the distance approaching the object, I am always so amazed: my calculations never failed.😂
@mrjdainsworth
@mrjdainsworth Жыл бұрын
Interesting, thank you 👍
@Dr.JustIsWrong
@Dr.JustIsWrong Жыл бұрын
This doesn't work for carpenters who have bad aim with a hammer..
@MiStuff
@MiStuff Жыл бұрын
u r great, sir.i wish if u were my school teacher. much love
@ye8488
@ye8488 Жыл бұрын
Incredibly practical, thanks a lot
@kyks6771
@kyks6771 Жыл бұрын
Rule of👍🏼
@MeFareLaugh
@MeFareLaugh Жыл бұрын
And if I do not have paper and pen to make all this calculations?
@abraxaseyes87
@abraxaseyes87 Жыл бұрын
Heard from a Cajun that it was the allowable width of the stick you could beat your spouse with.
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 8 ай бұрын
Urban legend.
@alexvlk
@alexvlk Жыл бұрын
I’ve used, “Down there a bit,” and that seems to work well enough.
@clintonsmith9931
@clintonsmith9931 Жыл бұрын
On my way to BassPro to buy a device that tells me the distance so I can shoot squirrels.
@cgordon218
@cgordon218 Жыл бұрын
wait... the "rule of thumb" DOES NOT derive from the old custom of beating your wife with a stick no larger in diameter than your thumb? well... i completely did not understand that saying
@jamesmunroe6558
@jamesmunroe6558 Жыл бұрын
Simply brilliant! I never even thought of that obvious radian relation.
@danielghani3903
@danielghani3903 Жыл бұрын
ya Allah taqdirkanlah sniper.mereka akan menghadapi masalah dn keusakaran berfikir kerana terkesan dgn bunyi berdesing dalam tempoh yg sgt.lama menyebabkan mereka.ini ibarat.manusia yg sedang mabuk. Dn tidak.mampu berfikir secara.tetap
@ptyptypty3
@ptyptypty3 Жыл бұрын
I use my Hand and Index finger to find the distance. It's easy.. First I hold the Laser Emitting Distance Finder in my Right Hand.. and then using my Index finger I press the Button. The laser beam shoots towards the target and bounces back and I get an Exact Reading of the distance on my Laser Range Finding Meter.. :) Easy Peazy.. :)
@t-dog8528
@t-dog8528 Жыл бұрын
Yeh it's always been that way
@TheWilferch
@TheWilferch Жыл бұрын
Seems to be a nearly universal 10:1 ratio.....do the same but peer through one eye at your elevated thumb while looking at a far-away object...and then close that one-eye and open the other one. The amount your thumb appears to "jump" horizontally at distance is sbout 1/10 the actual distance away. This seems to work as the normal human eye spacing between pupils, is about 66mm (+/-)....and the arm's length distance holding up your thumb is about 660mm away from your eye.... hence 10:1. Of course every person is built differently but in most cases these 2 dimensions seem to truncate to a nearly universal 10:1 ratio......this method afterall is an "estimation" of distance.
@jayme3181
@jayme3181 Жыл бұрын
My thumbs or fingers don't quite work but I did manage to get an excellent calibration of my own. I have to lie on my back and it is better done alone but it is tremendously satisfying. What a great tip!
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 8 ай бұрын
Underrated comment.
@ngocthachpham7255
@ngocthachpham7255 Жыл бұрын
My thumb/arm is 1/25. So i guess 25 is the number gonna follow me the rest of my life😅
@christopherellis2663
@christopherellis2663 Жыл бұрын
Radians? It's all about ratio. A:B::C:D a/b=c/d a=bc/d More accurate if one were to use a notched stick or bone instead of the thumb 👍
@silkyfirst3097
@silkyfirst3097 Жыл бұрын
If you know trigonometry or angles(mathematicians measure angles in radians) in general you will realise it's all ratios to begin with you may be more familiar with degrees which can be converted to radians using this this 360=2pi
@mathias2410
@mathias2410 Жыл бұрын
Very clever! Thank you for a clear tutorial.
@saschaesken5524
@saschaesken5524 Жыл бұрын
O.k. but what if you dont know the hight of the storeys and the distance ?
@YouveBeenMiddled
@YouveBeenMiddled Жыл бұрын
If you don't know _some_ dimension of the object you're ranging, you can't estimate how far away it is. But many things are standard sizes such as: animal or human height/width, doors/windows, shipping containers, building floors, traffic signs, electric poles, oil drums, etc..
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 8 ай бұрын
If you can't estimate the size of anything, you're sunk. There's no visual difference between a 1m-tall dropbear that's 100m away from you and a 10m-tall dropbear that's 1km away.
@rc4688
@rc4688 Жыл бұрын
To use this very simple "rule of thumb" first take a few years of college trigonometry, make sure to have a note book and calculator, and hope you never need to use it because by the time you figure out the distance you'll be too confused to care what the distance is.
@tassie7325
@tassie7325 Жыл бұрын
This is so much simpler when adopting the military version of using mils to measure angles rather than degrees - 6400 mils in a full circle When using mils the subtension rule is 1 mil equals 1 meter at 1,000 meters
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 8 ай бұрын
Um. The technique in the video doesn't require measuring any angles, so units of angles are irrelevant.