too bad there is no data for reloading 300 Ham'r with heavy projectiles. if not I would trade my 300BLK for Ham'r
@stihlsawrepairs795519 сағат бұрын
Dave is that forward stalk “V” in your shooting mount padded??
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho800919 сағат бұрын
Original foam padding wore off years ago. Now just electrical tape.
@carlosugarte145023 сағат бұрын
What if you lower your load of the 107 grains grendel to the same 2600 +/- fps you're getting with the 120 grains spear ?
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho800922 сағат бұрын
During the load work up of the 107's, powder charge weight made little difference. The 107's are made to be seated longer than the limits of the AR-15 magazine of 2.260". As stated they work very well in my Creedmoor's at longer seating depth. Thanks for your question.
@lylewalters909Күн бұрын
At those speeds, the 300 will hit a little harder, but the Grendel will carry the speed and accuracy down range a good step farther. So, the question is, what's the job? Long range performance or shirt range? Great videos, Dave. Now I told my wife I need a 300 hammer...ya she laughed, and laughed and laughed some more.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho800923 сағат бұрын
At least she is in good humor. My wife just shakes her head. For these small case cartridges most shots will be limited in range, that is why I bought this one as a quick access truck rifle that can get the job done at a range that is within it's limits. If I anticipate a need for a shot beyond 250-300 yards, out to say 500 hundred yards (my max range for my limited abilities) then I will take a bigger, higher velocity, higher energy cartridge/rifle combo.
@carlwilliams6300Күн бұрын
Great video Dave
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
@trkjivdlopmdКүн бұрын
If .300hamr was as popular as .300blk I would have gone that route. But alas, .300blk just caught on
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Both have their special uses. Thanks for watching.
@clintonlayne9253Күн бұрын
Dave, Im glad you explained the difference between apples and oranges lol. Dont you just hate it when your rifle makes you out to be wrong. Great Shooting Dave . I like the shirt.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Yes, testing while on camera can be humbling indeed. HaHa!
@Derekj-gv2cpКүн бұрын
I'd like to see some velocity and accuracy comparisons using hammer bullets. Love the content thanks for the videos
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Suggest viewing Wilson Combat 300 Ham'r videos or contacting Bill Wilson to see if he has tested these bullets. I only went with his suggestions in my rifle. Thanks for watching.
@luvtahandload7692Күн бұрын
Meanwhile, back in the safe, your 25-06 is complaining to your 300 Roy, "aww...he never takes us anywhere anymore. " 😅 thanks, Dave!
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
HaHa! I take them out for an occasional spin around the sage brush.
@ThreegunmasterКүн бұрын
Is the 300 hamr not basically a 300 blackout
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
The 300 blackout shines as a suppressed rifle with heavy for caliber bullets that can shoot subsonic very well. The 300 Ham'r is designed strictly as a supersonic hunting rifle cartridge using 95- 150 grain bullets that are 250-300 feet per second faster than the 300 Blackout.
@ThreegunmasterКүн бұрын
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I use 110 vmax and 125 speer tnt in my blackout on hogs and Whitetail with great effectiveness. Thanks Dave for another great video.
@fulcrummando22Күн бұрын
He's back! woo!
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@bobcatforever3485Күн бұрын
Dave. Good video and shooting. Three great groups. Thanks for sharing the performance of the two guns. Take care.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Thanks Bobcat.
@scottythebody0811Күн бұрын
All these ammo companies are trying to recreate the wheel. 223/5.56, 243, 308/30-06, 300 win mag, and 375 H&H does it all.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Agree with you completely for hunting game. The newer rifles with newer barrel twist rates and long, lean and high BC new technology and high efficiency projectiles for long distance shooting is a dramatic shift in performance for competitive shooting.
@gsitzkowitzКүн бұрын
Hey Dave, you and I have traveled the same road, I’m just somewhat ahead of you! I built my 1st AR with a 24” 6.5 Grendel. I found that I couldn’t duplicate the performance of the factory loaded 123 SST load. Extremely accurate and on paper ballistically formidably. I was so disappointed on its performance on deer in the field I moved away from it because for almost the same weight I could have a 6.5 Creedmoor and gain significant performance. I had been used to hunting with both the 25-06 and 308. I was looking for that level of performance. I built an AR-10 with a stupid expensive carbon fiber barrel. The 6.5 CM was one of the most accurate guns I’ve ever owned and building a AR-10 was not an experience I would recommend. That said I got it done, running like a sewing machine and took it out in the field. It ain’t no 308 or 25-06!!!! But because I had so much time and effort in it I kept giving it more chances. Ultimately it never delivered what I was looking for. I was fortunate to get my money out of it and turned to the Hamr. It’s shorter, lighter, handier, and inside of 250 yards more than enough for hogs and deer. It’s still no 308 or 25-06 but it’s close enough for this old man who hunts at under 250 yards it’s my first choice. The 6.5s just left me unimpressed in the field regardless of how ballistically superior they are.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Thanks for relaying your experiences here. In my experiences both the Grendel and the Creedmoor have had devastating results with the Speer Gold Dots and complete pass through on deer.
@gsitzkowitzКүн бұрын
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I never got that level of performance out of my Grendel. And the CM was clearly no 25-06.
@jerrywiese9722Күн бұрын
Good Shooting Dave. Thanks for the comparison. Good information is always welcome.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Thanks for your kind words here and for watching.
@mikecollins8241Күн бұрын
300 Hammer is in a standard AR15 upper?
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Yes, and has the same bolt and parent case of the 5.56/.223
@thegoodguy729Күн бұрын
That is shockingly bad accuracy with that barrel-bullet combination! Glad my Grendel does a whole lot better than that!
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Glad for you and your rifle success. Thanks for watching.
@thegoodguy729Күн бұрын
Dave, your channel is one of my fav’s. I should have also said that the second Grendel grouping was excellent. 😁
@thesaint1517Күн бұрын
Great groups with both with both Wilson Hammer barrels. I have a 16" Sanders 6.5 grendel upper with same results at 100 yards with my own reloads using 123 grain SST bullet and CFE 223 using 31 grains. You should be getting much better groups with you 6.5 grendel with that long barrel. Thanks for sharing.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Generally do, just not with the 107gn Sierra TMK. Thanks for watching.
@TK-df1xeКүн бұрын
I got a couple boxes of the Sierra 107 TMK. I’ll let ya know how they do out of my 6.5 Grendel with a 18” barrel….
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
They work very well in my 6.5 Creedmoors. Thanks for watching.
@nohandle257Күн бұрын
Can someone offer a ballpark guess or estimate of the energy on target between these two calibers? And Dave, what is your estimate of caliber vs speed? I know my little Grendel doesn't make very large holes but if it's faster than my blackout is there an appreciable difference? Guess I should add . . .I'm talking about killing power on hogs using hunting bullets and under 200 yards.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
If the velocity is close between the two with the same grain weight bullets (120-125gn.) The energy is too close to call at 200 yds. But the .264 cal bullets of today have a claimed higher BC to carry the velocity and therefore energy at longer ranges.
@williamgaines9784Күн бұрын
If you compare the muzzle energy of the 120 6.5 to the 125 .30 they are extremely close as loaded by our host. The performance on game will depend on what the game is and where it is hit, as well as bullet construction and impact velocity. The 6.5 has the "potential" to penetrate deeper, more sectional density, .246 v .188, and the .30 has the larger initial cross section, which gives it a potential for a wider wound as it already has 26% more surface area even though only a 14% larger diameter, the 6.5 also will have higher ballistic coefficient so will maintain its velocity and resist drift better. Both should be lethal on hogs within your range limit and hit(s) to the vitals.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
@@williamgaines9784 Well explained. Thanks for your comment here.
@ronlowney4700Күн бұрын
🕵♂️ With Just Under 64 grains of Vithavouri N570 Powder, The 270 Winchester (24" Barrel) Can Push a 180 grain Bonded Woodleigh Weldcore Hunting Bullet To 2,820 ft/s (See Quickload Program For Reference)! Compare That To Your Little 6.5 Creedmore! 😂
@cw2aКүн бұрын
Ooh Ill be back ta watch this one!!❤❤❤
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Thanks CW.
@mackmckinney9517Күн бұрын
Vote tell all your friends to VOTE . tell the local Gun club members to vote, tell all the gun owners you know to VOTE or you WILL lose the right to own them.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Yes Sir! Indeed vote.
@RickNetheryКүн бұрын
First !!
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Thanks to all the N. East Texans.
@ronlowney4700Күн бұрын
With Reloader 26, I Can Push That 150 grain Bullet From The 270 Win. To Almost 3,050 Ft/s (See Hodgeson's Load Data)!
@ronlowney4700Күн бұрын
🤭 So, You Picked The Worst B.C. Bullet For The 270 and The Best B.C. Bullet For The 6.5 Creedmore? Questionable For Sure! With H4831SC, My 270's Can Push That 150 grain Nosler ABLR (B.C. of 0.591) To Over 2,900 ft/s (As Will Winchesters Factory Ammunition)! SO, COMPARE THAT AND THE 270 WINS EASILY!!! 😂
@ronlowney4700Күн бұрын
🕵♂️ YOU HAVE VERY SHORT SIGHTED FLAWED LOGIC - MY NEWEST 270 WINCHESTER SHOT 1 1/4" TO 1 1/2" 5 SHOT GROUPS AT 300 YARDS RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX WITH THE FACTORY 150 GRAIN NOSLER ABLR BULLETS (B.C. OF 0.591) AND ALSO WILL STABALIZE THE HANDLOADED 165 GRAIN NOSLER ABLR'S (B.C. of 0.620)! THE 270 WINCHESTER IS SIMPLY A MUCH BETTER BIG GAME CARTRIDGE CHOICE! 🤑
@charlespitlКүн бұрын
Love your targets Dave😀
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009Күн бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@El69Fuego2 күн бұрын
Great video. Much appreciated. Are terminal ballistic testing important? I’ve seen similar videos such as this, but wondered after you get your “perfect load” will the round actually perform as intended such as HP expanding for hunting. Is it possible to run these tests on ballistic gel at hunting distances?
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80092 күн бұрын
Yes terminal ballistics is very important as is shot placement to a hunter. I tend to follow the bullet makers guides, ie; varmint bullets for varmints, match bullets for targets and traditional hunting or bonded bullets for medium game to large game. Thanks for watching.
@hunterjager95383 күн бұрын
Looks like that k98 is using its orginal military barrel. It has a 1 and 9 twist. It likes heavier bullets around 200 grain. I recommend 200 grain smk over 49.5 grains of Reloader 16 but as you know work up. ( my average 2578 fps.) I was able to get all my holes touching at 100 yards but I also replaced my barrel with a Lothar and Walther barrel. There is no load data for Reloader 16 and 8mm but I used quick load software and it told me that it was the best powder I could use and it was right 😂.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80093 күн бұрын
Thats for your input here. Thanks for watching.
@foxsquirrel30384 күн бұрын
Good work! KZfaq gold here!
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80094 күн бұрын
Thanks for the kind words here and thanks for watching.
@ronniephillips40124 күн бұрын
Buy you a rubber resonator for your rifle and you can shoot the same hole.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80094 күн бұрын
Thanks for the advice here and thanks for watching.
@2thmvrmpf5 күн бұрын
I have a Remington 700 bdl varmint special in 243 that shoots like yours! Fun to shoot and low recoil!
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80095 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comment here and for watching.
@bobborlog16775 күн бұрын
Wait whats the point of this round now i thought 300blk was the do all 30 caliber round for the ar15 2.260 mag length cartridge. at this point we're splitting hairs
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80095 күн бұрын
The 300 BO shines with heavy weight bullets that the Ham'r was not designed for, but with similar weight "Hunting bullets" the Ham'r provides 250-300 fps increased velocities is a huge plus for me. compared to the BO. Maybe suggest visiting the videos produced by Wilson Combat here on KZfaq, showing the vast amount of testing. That is why I bought one. I have not yet taken any game with the cartridge to give anyone my own personal experience, but Bill Wilson harvesting over 900 pigs up to 300#'s, is illuminating indeed.
@EverydayReloadingandShooting6 күн бұрын
Respectfully, I would consider replacing that front rest. I noticed most of the groups stringing horizontally, which might indicate some side to side motion in the barrel. You are an excellent shot. I think with a different front support you would see what you’re actually capable of. Love your channel. A fan.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80096 күн бұрын
Yes, you are very astute in your horizontal stringing analogy suggestion. This video's shot to shot results were erratic more due to shooter error, compared to previous 300 Ham'r videos.
@EverydayReloadingandShooting6 күн бұрын
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 no argument here. I have great respect for your ability to handle a rifle.
@EverydayReloadingandShooting4 күн бұрын
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 and I could see a pretty good wind was blowing
@EverydayReloadingandShooting6 күн бұрын
That 300 HAMR is a beast! Good information. Thanks for the video.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80096 күн бұрын
Thanks Dennis. I am enjoying your .223 reloading and range testing series.
@kennethhowell12726 күн бұрын
Does the chronograph because it's attached to the barrel affect barrel harmonics ? Also are reloading dies only available through Wilson Combat ?
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80096 күн бұрын
It has been my experience the magnetospeed only effects point of impact, usually lower. My dies are Lee dies, I believe you can get them anywhere Lee dies are sold. Thanks for watching.
@Charles_ONeal6 күн бұрын
Hands down the .243 Win.
@joelclark21307 күн бұрын
IMHO, NOTHING TO GET EXCITED ABOUT, can you say 300 black out
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80097 күн бұрын
The 300 BO shines with heavy weight bullets that the Ham'r was not designed for, but with similar weight "Hunting bullets" 250-300 fps increased velocities is a huge plus for me. compared to the BO. Maybe suggest visiting the videos produced by Wilson Combat here on KZfaq, showing the vast amount of testing. That is why I bought one. I have not yet taken any game with the cartridge to give anyone my own personal experience, but Bill Wilson harvesting over 900 pigs up to 300#'s, is illuminating indeed.
@samtruesdale63486 күн бұрын
The Hamr leaves the BO for dead.
@rogerramjet75677 күн бұрын
That is not great accuracy!!! 😟
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80097 күн бұрын
Sometimes during load development finding out what doesn't work out well happens.
@Off-target-xy6bx7 күн бұрын
Nice That 300hamr is a good cartridge.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80097 күн бұрын
Yes it is. Thanks for watching.
@bobcatforever34857 күн бұрын
Dave. Another good and interesting video with great shooting. Thanks for sharing and take care.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80097 күн бұрын
Thanks Bobcat.
@gsitzkowitz7 күн бұрын
A little surprised, with both these bullets under an inch is quite common. The 130 is a great hunting bullet!
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80097 күн бұрын
Yes they are and did shoot very well in the previous video.
@jerrywiese97227 күн бұрын
Good shooting Dave. Keep working the loads, it will come around. Would you call either of these minute of deer at this point?
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80097 күн бұрын
These loads did shoot better in my previous sessions, but as you say at 250 yds and in they are good to go.
@cw2a7 күн бұрын
I bought a sleeve of these 130's in preparation of this barrel. I have taken a few seer with it in the 300 bo and its a tough bullet. IMHO WELL suited for the extra 200 + FPS of the HAM'r.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80097 күн бұрын
Thanks CW. Yeah they are definitely retro bullets, but shoot well enough in this rifle.
@cw2a7 күн бұрын
I think I have same barrel. I have some HAM'r videos coming. Gonna shoot loads soon. I have some Nosler Accubonds in 125 to test.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80097 күн бұрын
Look forward to that. I shot some Sierra TGK's, where Mr. Wilson said to grind down the tip for best COL and they shot great indeed.
@cw2a7 күн бұрын
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 OOH YOU ARE READING MY MIND DAVE! I did this years ago in my 25/45 cause of OAL problems. With the HAM'r its more about gettin enough powder into the case!! I show and explain how and why!
@ThecrazyScotsman7 күн бұрын
Seems like shooting well always a fan of Wilson
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho80097 күн бұрын
Yes, I am very happy with the rifle meeting expectations as advertised.
@tomgoodwin91617 күн бұрын
A lot of those Lake City cases were, in their original state, fired in Machine guns and are from somewhat sloppy chambers. They end up sizing a lot harder than commercial brass from bolt action rifles.