@@Giroux68 quite a bit quieter. See the cruising section on my previous in-depth video. Can’t remember the timestamp but it’s in the description ;)

@@Flienlow WAYYYY better wave, especially in terms of power and push!! Still playing around with lead placement to see what can be dialed in of course but this wave is definitely at least 3x better wave than my dialed Max with WM bags and lead. The SV weighs 6,000 lbs dry so 1,500 lbs more than the Max dry. SV comes with 3,800 lbs of ballast. 60 gallon fuel tank vs 65 in the Max. Rough estimate of dry weight plus full fuel, full ballast, 500 lbs of lead, and 230 lbs for myself that is around 10,670 lbs total displacement! That’s wild!!!! By comparison my Max with fuel fuel tank, 1200 lb rear WM bags, 540 lb WM midships, stock 1000 lb center bag, 500 lbs of lead, and 230 lbs for myself is a total displacement of 9,881 lbs. That means the SV is nearly 869 lbs heavier when fully ballasted vs my modded Max. Less fill and drains times too. I think on the SV it was just shy of 7 minutes to fill the boat up and you’re ready to go vs about 12-14 mins in my Max filling up the larger WM bags. Ride quality is another area the SV excels at vs my Max. Add in all the other Supra tech and I’d say no this is way more than just a rebranded Max lol. Even though it’s like twice the payment it feels and performance like 5x the boat overall. Demo one and if you don’t need a large crew I bet you come away blown away, especially if it’s a 450 or 550!! I will say it’s was a very expensive demo I did last year when I first demoed the SV. It never escaped my head once I rode the wave, that’s how impressed I was, and I’ve ridden on SA and SL (pre 2024 models) and this wave was much better than those stock for stock given same size crew.

@@stephenjacobs259 it’s always just the wife and my daughter with me. We had all that room in the Max and never used it lol. The SV is smaller but it does not feel cramped. Obviously just the 3 of us but now my daughter enjoys the bow more than she did with the Max because the SV has cupholders (can’t believe the Max was made without them up there lol), arm rests, better grab handles so she felt safer etc. it’s not as wide in the bow as the Max is and tapers in as you can see. I never really say in the bow of the Max much but I’d say it’s obviously a little roomier side to side but about the same in front to back length along the middle if that makes sense. The cockpit on the SV vs the Max really only feels smaller on the side behind the driver seat because of the storage and integrated backrest there. My daughter always sits there and I’ve sat there just chilling. It’s perfectly comfortable to sit “lounge style” in the “short” corner facing front or back and angle your legs off, either on the floor facing forward. I actually have some footage showing body placement in some of those areas so people could gauge normal adult size for reference but I left it out for time since it was already 17 minutes long lol. The rest of the cockpit wrap around feels about the same as the Max in terms of size. There is a lot more room on the transom as well vs the Max. Basically the SV is a little smaller but feels much more user friendly and definitely more sporty. Give the SV a demo of you can and see what you think. It packs a hell of a punch and I loved my dialed in Max!

@haknslash thanks for the breakdown ! I'd say our reasons for looking our faster ballast fill times, more storage due to not need the wakemakers or other ballast and in floor cooler. Curious what your reasons for upgrading were? Can't wait to see some footage of you surfing that beast!

@@stephenjacobs259 my reasons to upgrade were more consistent surf wave, power seat, drop step, hinged cushions all around the kid goes on. Don’t get me wrong, I loved my Max, but after 5 years you certainly grow to know what you like, what you don’t and what you wished your next boat might have. Honestly it’s a lot of the little things that add up to why we upgraded. Yea the payment is certainly more than double lol but the boat truly feels at least 5x the boat. The only thing I’m having to adjust to is the less freeboard compared to the Max. It’s not close to the water or anything but the way it is shaped not being for the lack of a better word more brick or tank-like, the Max just deflected any spray and you rarely got spray. The SV is still tall and still has plenty of freeboard. It’s just not tall like the Max, Tykon, etc kind of boats they have massive freeboard. Just something I’m getting accustomed to and not a negative, just different is all. Ironically with it having less freeboard than the Max, I’m able to travel through rough water at higher speeds than I would have on the Max. Hull and overall boat just handles really nice and solid!

@@stephenjacobs259 oh and as for storage. I don’t feel I lost any from the Max to the SV due to the ballast all being subfloor. The only difference now is that yea sure I can’t stand chest deep on empty bags anymore lol (big deal after the cool factor goes away and you realize all that space turns into ballast space) but not I just don’t have to worry with bags at all and with any gear staying on top of the bags as they filled. It’s really nice in the newer Supras. Storage is all lit up too so you can see stuff at night. All hinged too which was a huge must-have with whatever our next boat was going to be.

@@GalaxyVette I’m not sure how much ballast is used in wakeboard advanced profile. I suspect it also depends on what my amplitude settings would have been too. I wasn’t paying attention to the details of ballast levels but I know they were not full because we had just ran the boat with all bags full for surf wave. We decided to see what wakeboard advanced profile looked like I heard the pumps drain some ballast out. After a few mins sitting there we hit it and that’s when I recorded. Next time I’m on my boat I’ll try and remember to see what the ballast levels go to for each stock wakeboard profile.

@@Aristocracyauto an Axis is nowhere near the same level of boat as a Supra lol. I demoed Axis years ago when shopping before getting my Max. Goes without saying I felt Moomba was a better overall product than Axis….and a Supra is far above either of those. I have zero need for a Paragon but they are nice boats.

The hilarity of the statement is that it’s funny how people don’t understand how good a Supra’s build quality, fitNfinsh, and QC are. As far as a wave and wake. All the new wake boats put out a killer wake and wave and it’s not one is better then then other. It’s what shape is easiest for any particular person to learn and progress.

@@kpapke just the rooster tail from ballast and just how it is with a lot of vdrives. It’s in front of where a wakeboarder would be so not an issue.

@@Giroux68 oh yea for sure lol. Yamaha will always hold a special place though. We had a lot of good times on our AR192. That surf bug is hard to shake off though once it gets ya. This thing handles SO much better than my Max did. It’s like comparing a Hummer to a sports car!

Newer 5’ Doomswell Neo. I forgot to bring my board so this was a stock Neo from the dealer. I normally ride a 5’ Neo with Chaos Flare fins. It’s a great surf style board and the newer ones have better fins than the older Neo’s that came with Future F3 fins. The wave of this boat has a TON of push which also. I rode a 4’6” Doomswell Falcon on this wave and that board is even faster and very responsive. Both are good boards 🤙🏼

No the tv was bought new and not a demo unit.

@@haknslash I mean the content on the screen ..where are you watching it from ?

It’s is really nice! We take delivery soon and can’t wait!

-WakeMakers rear and midship bags (filled 100% throughout) -500 lbs of lead (300 in bow, 100 under each rear bag) -18% smart plate -80% surf plate 11.2 mph to 11.4 mph

@@haknslash So I have oem mid ship bags on the 2023, but do you have the wakemakers bow bag?

@@TheJimmysGarage no WM bow bag. I use the bow storage too much to lose it.

@@haknslashok that answers not needing any lead in my bow then. Since I have the 860lbs bag

Nah man keep the lead in it. This was an older video and to be honest I never use Autowake because we always have a small crew. For lead, I have 300 lbs in the bow and 100 lbs in each rear locker positioned as far back as possible without putting the ballast connectors in an awkward angle or position. Check out some of my more recent videos for my current wave. It is very versatile and good now. I struggled the first two seasons dialing in my Max’s wave but it’s dialed now and I haven’t had to move anything.

⁠@@haknslash I would love to leave the lead but I don't know how to even use the Max yet. I keep seeing people mention 9.5* pitch, which if I get the much pitch is the worst surf wave I can possibly create. So I think I need to remove the lead, put stock prop back, learn how to use the max with the wakemakers bags, try and see what the 9.5* pitch is all about and the. Start adding lead back?

I have the same 2019 Max I’ve always had.

I still have my Max. Hoping to get it wet for the first time this season on next weekend!

Hey George. Currently it’s down. The guy who runs the forum doesn’t work for Skiers Choice and apparently it’s near impossible to get in touch with him. Skiers Choice is working on an alternate solution but until then, the website is unfortunately down.

Forum is back up and running!

Thanks@@haknslash

Heck yea that’s great to hear! Cheers! 🍻

Hey man how ya been? Long time no see!

Been good bro! Good to see you’re still posting vids

Not at this time due to interest rates and economy. Hoping by next year things improve and I can revisit the idea of upgrading. Still enjoy our Max but the new upgrades on the 2024 Supras are really enticing!! :)

Wise decision....same here.

Maybe one day I can upgrade to a Supra. Interest rates and this economy keeping me grounded for now.

I don’t have any experience with the Mondo or it’s storage compartment size, but my midship bags are 540 lbs. If you’re just wanting 200 lbs honestly I’d just go with some lead and retain your storage space. The engine probably wouldn’t even know the lead bags are in there and this would save you on fill and drain times.

@@haknslash I may go that route honestly...but I don't really like the idea of lead. I just measured the port side mid ship area and I could fit one of the WM mid ship bags they offer (275lb). I was an idiot and was looking at the center locker bags 😅 So I am going to need to pick your brain in terms of how to pipe everything up. For some reason I am unable to register to the Moomba Forums site? I have no idea why and I even contacted the admin but never get an email reply? So I remove one of the front plugs on my port side WM rear locker and install a barb fitting. Then run a small section of 1" hose with a shut off valve in line (so I can remove/not fill mid ship bag if the crew is heavy) then install a flow right fitting on the rear of the mid ship bag. That should take care of the fill/empty. Then for the vent I would install a flow right fitting on top of the mid ship bag and tee into the rear locker bag vent line. Do I tee into the rear locker vent line before the check valve or after? Do I need to install check valves in any other location to add the mid ship bag?

I didn’t end up using any grommet material and it hasn’t been an issue at all. The tubing is plenty thick and doesn’t show any signs of wear around the holes. If you wanted to make a grommet you could use something like door edge protection molding that has a slit in it and then just cut its length to fit around the circle. You’ll be fine either way.

It’s a Doomswell Neo with Chaos Flare fins. The fins made a HUGE difference believe it or not. The hype for fins is real and it transformed my board to a rocket ship.

100 lbs under each rear bag. I put them furthest to the rear corners. 300 lbs in the tip of the bow around the bow center cushion. I also stow my anchor in the bow under that cushion for an approx extra 25 lbs.

Sorry I can’t answer that for you since I don’t have the storage bins. You might want to ask on the Moomba Max Facebook group and I’m sure someone will chime in.

These were from the HID version.

Ahhh ok thanks Ive been searching for many years still can't find one but came across a halogen one but was thinking nah can't be halogen lol

These days my ballast setup is wakemakers rear and midship bags, 500 lbs of lead (300 in the bow and 100 lbs under each rear bag close to the stern), and sometimes if just the wife and daughter onboard we run a 750 lb FatSac that I put in the bow walkway that I only fill to around 500 lbs or so. My Max is a 2019 so only had Flow 2 surf tabs. I usually run 11.4 mph.

These days my ballast setup is wakemakers rear and midship bags, 500 lbs of lead (300 in the bow and 100 lbs under each rear bag close to the stern), and sometimes if just the wife and daughter onboard we run a 750 lb FatSac that I put in the bow walkway that I only fill to around 500 lbs or so. My Max is a 2019 so only had Flow 2 surf tabs. I usually run 11.4 mph.

Yea the only way to get good calm water like that during boating season on Lake Martin is to hit it during the week. Can’t wait to get the boat wet this season! Sadly the lake looks horrible right now due to the previous storms. Hope it clears up soon.

@@haknslash 100% on during the week. I have seen some pics and videos of the debris from the storm. Looks pretty nasty in places.

Glad you enjoyed the video and congrats on the Moomba purchase. We love our Max!