Who was Steve Ditko? SDCC 2023 panel
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@DoppelgangerShockwave
@DoppelgangerShockwave 2 сағат бұрын
Jim Shooter worked for years with Lee, Kirby, and Ditko. Shooter knows better than anyone who created what and how much their involvement was in those creations. Lee did come up with most of the ideas, characters, and plots in the early days of Marvel. Kirby, Ditko, and others helped make those ideas, characters, and plots to become fully realized, and added their own special touches to flesh out anything Lee might've overlooked. Lee has always given proper credits to the artists who've helped him. That contract was made the way it was to simplify payouts to one individual and to help maintain a synonymous popularity that had grown with Lee over the years at Marvel. It was also done so Lee wouldn't leave and go to DC because they wanted to make Chip Goodman the publisher. Now, is it dirty business? Sure, but as you know, Kirby signed his rights away in 1968, willingly, to Martin Goodman so Goodman could sell the company to what would become Cadence Industries. If Kirby didn't want his rights taken from him, he should've spoken up then and refused to go along.
@jamescarnevale3312
@jamescarnevale3312 Күн бұрын
Character is destiny.
@DoppelgangerShockwave
@DoppelgangerShockwave 2 күн бұрын
It took me two days to listen, but I'm glad I did. And I'll get to the other long video soon, too. After listening to this interview, I firmly believe Jim Shooter was railroaded and unjustly fired because he did the right thing every time and that irked the upper management and the artists who didn't think they needed to be corralled into making something entertaining and sensible. If Shooter was Editor-In-Chief at Marvel today, the product would be superior on every conceivable level. Wherever Jim Shooter is today, I hope he's happy, healthy, and enjoying his life.
@frankandstern8803
@frankandstern8803 3 күн бұрын
Hitting Captions in your settings is a must on this one.
@cembasakofficial
@cembasakofficial 4 күн бұрын
Master
@EugeneLorey
@EugeneLorey 4 күн бұрын
I too scrounged returnable bottles for comic book money, but in the early 1970s
@frankandstern8803
@frankandstern8803 5 күн бұрын
Solid.
@frankandstern8803
@frankandstern8803 5 күн бұрын
NEW YORK RULES. They Knew and they Grew. But the Geeks and the Internet ruined much. Losers. But these were men. Make a buck and take a professional responsibility for quality. The only trade that ever needed to be maintained. In the 90s we started calling the world a gift shop as people were traveling and vacationing more. Now we can call it a mental ward. Complete with rubber shoes and flip flops like in a hospital. "Im so slack Yo." Yah ? Great. Take a look. Tell me Im lying. Lol
@frankandstern8803
@frankandstern8803 5 күн бұрын
The days when making a buck wasn't something you were to be ashamed of but instead proud of. Unlike the stupid loser culture of the internet that whines today. Did I say that?
@frankandstern8803
@frankandstern8803 5 күн бұрын
Love you John. You are missed Sir.
@frankandstern8803
@frankandstern8803 5 күн бұрын
Always a gentleman and careful with controversy when others come up in conversation. Again. A real Gent. A PROFESSIONAL. A different Era before the Rot.
@colinmorrison166
@colinmorrison166 6 күн бұрын
If Pat Robertson was mad about it, you know it was good. God Loves Man Kills was an amazing story.
@summonersummoner9536
@summonersummoner9536 8 күн бұрын
great
@GeneKing-lz8xg
@GeneKing-lz8xg 11 күн бұрын
Ifdochadhisownmoviefranchiseseries,itwouldgotoetotoewiththefastandfuriousseries,period.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@nighttigercomics7323
@nighttigercomics7323 15 күн бұрын
Hi, Jess! Thank you for your father's Shieldmaster issues! I recently read your Shielddmaster issues! They transported back to the Prize Comics era of the early silver age! I need to get back to NYC to hangout with you again! A great interview. I'm glad your creating these memories working with your dad! Joe is a legend! I just read an issue of Bullseye and it was so fun!
@fishin4bass2002
@fishin4bass2002 15 күн бұрын
I mean they aren’t wrong. Writers were very liberal and they do mock Christians and we know that Claremont was a perv who put all sorts of sexual stuff in it.
@fishin4bass2002
@fishin4bass2002 15 күн бұрын
I met Steranko last month, he was wearing the exact same outfit in this video😂. He was a super nice guy, he charged the most of anyone for his autograph ($50) but he made me feel like someone he knew. After he signed a poster I was about to walk away and he pulled me aside and showed me his personal art book that he’s been experimenting with. Lots of little portraits. He knows how to make you feel welcome.
@Exodus_comics
@Exodus_comics 15 күн бұрын
I tend to believe that one of sterankos biggest influences was Milton glaser. Great vid thx 🙏
@stephenbifani7798
@stephenbifani7798 15 күн бұрын
Cool! I thought I'd heatd all of the Steranko panel bits on youtube, then here you go with some unheard (by me, anyway) stuff. Big cheers to you and your channel, sir! Here's hoping you have some more in the future!!
@AceLM92
@AceLM92 16 күн бұрын
I had the privilege of meeting Jim Steranko back in April. He was such a nice guy and very patient with my stupid remark of wanting to shake his hand solely because he punched Bob Kane LOL. I kept my comments about his wig to myself, but he is such a great storyteller and historian.
@fishin4bass2002
@fishin4bass2002 15 күн бұрын
Yeah my experience with him last month was great as well.
@anthonyperdue3557
@anthonyperdue3557 16 күн бұрын
😎 Steranko's description of Jack's method confirms my idea of how story conferences between him and Stan might have gone. Stan made have had the vocal imagery but Jack provided the visual ones that Stan needed to further develop the story. True , Jack didn't write the story and dialogue he only provided the images that created the story and dialogue.
@toxicrealitymedia
@toxicrealitymedia 16 күн бұрын
I always loved to hear Steranko talk! Thanks for posting this. Love all your content!
@oovotzify
@oovotzify 16 күн бұрын
Just wanted to let you know I dig your podcast. Steranko is the best. I love it when people whine about his political affiliations, liberals are the most discriminatory people I know. If you don’t think like them, they hate you.
@fishin4bass2002
@fishin4bass2002 15 күн бұрын
Facts. They talk about tolerance and how you supposed to be understanding of them and all these groups but if they don’t like you they throw those standards away
@luxuriousmindset1906
@luxuriousmindset1906 15 күн бұрын
First off my guy not all liberals and dont pretend conservatives are perfect because there not because its Republicans taking the rights of other people right now cut the bs out
@isabellebread9773
@isabellebread9773 17 күн бұрын
One of my favorite artists ❤️
@mickeybeavison1053
@mickeybeavison1053 20 күн бұрын
KIRBY is king
@WarriorsforInfoTV
@WarriorsforInfoTV 20 күн бұрын
Lions fans getting hired 1st interview,
@Bakerfan
@Bakerfan 21 күн бұрын
Wow! Awesome interview David and sad to say that Festino of Spains comic con translation of 10 years to live actually came true. I believe tge person who got John into comics in 1948 was Nic Zurow?
@FortumanClassicHero
@FortumanClassicHero 21 күн бұрын
He's the perfect choice for Peter parker , very comic accurate
@FortumanClassicHero
@FortumanClassicHero 21 күн бұрын
You have to keep making motion comics these are simply amazing, way better thsn any Hollywood motion picture😮
@ComicBookHistorians
@ComicBookHistorians 21 күн бұрын
Wow, thanks! And please share!
@christophertaylor9100
@christophertaylor9100 22 күн бұрын
Don't forget Sienkiewicz doing Moon Knight. It really was Marvel's peak era. I really liked Classic X-Men as a title, I never realized it was a desperation move. It was really welcome.
@FortumanClassicHero
@FortumanClassicHero 24 күн бұрын
Keep this series going, also i have to ask , how do you make these!
@ComicBookHistorians
@ComicBookHistorians 24 күн бұрын
Thank you, I’m glad you like these. After I write the script, I have a colorist restore the images, then I use photoshop to create layers. Then I import the layers into after effects and animate everything on a timeline with sound effects and a music track. I was a film student and editor so I just got more techy and obsessive to make these. I also direct and write the lines for the voiceover actors and animate to that as well. It’s animation, writing direction and production so they take me forever to do, but… that’s entertainment.
@FortumanClassicHero
@FortumanClassicHero 24 күн бұрын
Please make more episodes this is amazing
@inevitablecraftslab
@inevitablecraftslab 24 күн бұрын
What's with that toothless crackhead sitting next to the interviewer making clown faces all the time? 😂 Also he pisses Neal Adams off every time he opens his mouth. That's hilarious.
@cordellsenior9935
@cordellsenior9935 24 күн бұрын
Thank God and YOU for putting together this series of interviews with these lost GIANTS of the comics industry. I started reading and collecting in the midst of what they now call The Silver Age and was hooked on comics until 2014 or so. Thanks for shining light on these dedicated men and women writing, drawing and editing and publishing pages and pages of pages of great printed cinema that kept me entertained for decades. I remember Carmine being a great and unique artist who became a counterpart of Stan Lee at Marvel. He was certainly not the self-promoter that Stan was and worked in relative anonymity in comparison. This interview (and the others I've seen) are pure GOLD for time-capturing the life and character of so many of these great talents that worked in so much obscurity. (I really loved the Marie Severin, John Buscema, Joe Sinnot and Tom Palmer interviews and will be re-watching a lot of them.) Kudos and salutes to whomever had the foresight to sit down and conduct these interviews with these creators who created so much of what is now widely consumed and commercially viable. I can't thank and compliment y'all enough for the great interview questions and agenda. Superb! (I love the fact that he said he drew and drew and drew until he got it all out of his system. What a guy!)
@ComicBookHistorians
@ComicBookHistorians 24 күн бұрын
Thank you! David Armstrong had the foresight to sit down and interview/record these giants and I sincerely enjoyed editing, upconverting and publishing them for comic book scholarship. Cheers and thanks for watching!
@cordellsenior9935
@cordellsenior9935 21 күн бұрын
@@ComicBookHistorians Does any intel exist on the most obscure letterers like Arties Simek and Sam Rosen? What a niche and what output by these people.
@timpeterson87
@timpeterson87 26 күн бұрын
“Animatic”
@Palestinian_holocaust
@Palestinian_holocaust 27 күн бұрын
Another boring atheist
@Palestinian_holocaust
@Palestinian_holocaust Ай бұрын
Satanic false jews who were communists aka liberal. That’s Trina’s family
@djoneforever
@djoneforever Ай бұрын
Legendary artist
@p1nesap
@p1nesap Ай бұрын
Great interview 👍 Savage Sword has always been my fav & it's neat to hear John say it's his too. I love his Silver Surfer, the deepest of all the superheroes. I guess not surprising that it didn't register with the US audience, whereas it did in Europe.
@ChimBrouer
@ChimBrouer Ай бұрын
Steranko was NOT there when it all happened. He is not telling the truth here. He joined Marvel in the end of 1966. His first work was penciling and inking "finishes" over Kirby layouts in Strange Tales #151 (Dec. 1966). Steve Ditko left Spider Man and Marvel in spring 1966. And all the universe building in the Fantastic Four was already done by the end of 1966. So Steranko was NOT there, when all the characters were created and all the important stories of the 1960s have been written. That is not to say that Stan Lee did nothing. But it is well documented, that Ditko and Kirby were the main storytellers and inventors. Stan Lee did good work for Marvel at the advertisment front and he held the whole company together. But he delegated the invention and storytelling.
@edfurnez6134
@edfurnez6134 Ай бұрын
But Steranko was at Marvel when Kirby was
@ChimBrouer
@ChimBrouer Ай бұрын
@@edfurnez6134 Yes. But still. Historics mark the end of Jack Kirby's inventive contributions with issue #67 of the Fantastic Four (mid 1967). Stan Lee rewrote the character "Him(later known as Warlock)" in a different way than Jack did in his side notes. That was the "last straw". From then on, no new interesting characters were invented in the Fantasic Four Lee/Kirby run. Kirby started to keep his "new character ideas" to himself and used them during his DC 4th world run. The later Doctor Doom story arc was a remade TV Prisoner episode (#84-87) and the Skrull story line was based on two Star Trek episodes (#90-93). The rest of the issues is almost all mindless android hordes. So Steranko also missed the essence of the Lee/Kirby work relationship.
@edfurnez6134
@edfurnez6134 Ай бұрын
@@ChimBrouer well then I guess by that logic, so did you. A lot of histrionics coming from you to cover the fact that Steranko and Kirby worked with Stan at the same time.
@ChimBrouer
@ChimBrouer Ай бұрын
@@edfurnez6134 Of course, you are right. Steranko's first work at marvel was to finish Kirby layouts in Strange Tales (Nick Fury). So of course they worked together. What I am saying is, that at this point of the Lee/Kirby relationship, Kirby had kind of stopped to contribute new IP (Intellectual Property) to Marvel. So his enemies were either old established foes or mindless robots/androids. Kirby saved his new ideas for a time in the future, where he would be recognised as the creator (which later happened at DC). So, what I am saying is, that the whole creation of new IP (new characters) happend before Steranko arrived. Has Stan Lee by himself created anything of impact (before or after being editor of Marvel)? Has Jack Kirby done this? Of course. Starting with 1940 (he was age 23) with the creation of Captain America. He created a whole lot of characters before Marvel. And he did so after Marvel at DC. Darkseid, the DC badass is his creation, along with a long line of characters and world building. Is Stan Lee the better "writer" (in the sence of writing the captions). Yes, Jack Kirby's captions are a bit stiff. So Stan made Jack Kirby's work better!
@1poundgold
@1poundgold Ай бұрын
I love this interview. I was bit disappointed at the way Jim Thompson attacked him over the artists that left.
@ComicBookHistorians
@ComicBookHistorians Ай бұрын
Make sure to also check out this one! (Part 2) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o5qGpbOD0tWniqc.htmlsi=LI_9A4HQZxpE3EfL
@1poundgold
@1poundgold Ай бұрын
@@ComicBookHistorians I watched that one too. I understand that there's no hard feelings, but these days, too many people are aggressive over things that are not directed at them. Shooter never hurt Jim Thompson.
@Denvillian
@Denvillian Ай бұрын
His son is an obvious apologist for this evil man, and seems to share some his ego. He doesn’t seem to Mind: The worst is when he won the “Superman drawing contest” and insisted it was not “fixed” because they were the fix. WTF? Weisenger was a mean, backstabbing bully by all employee accounts who loved humiliating and dominating people. Total a-hole. His daughter seems to share this opinion as alluded too in the interview. That’s the one I want to hear.
@ComicBookHistorians
@ComicBookHistorians Ай бұрын
She wrote about her experience in alter ego magazine. Her name is Joyce Kaffel.
@ScottERoth
@ScottERoth Ай бұрын
The way Stan Lee's role was portrayed after this contract definitely changed the narrative. It's important to give credit where credit is due
@kyla3635
@kyla3635 Ай бұрын
I became a fan of the Bronze Age. Novick was one of the great Batman artists
@gokhanersan8561
@gokhanersan8561 Ай бұрын
If Steve Rude was the regular penciller of a Superman title, I would subscribe.
@1971mav
@1971mav Ай бұрын
Stan Lee was idea man but a mediocre writer. I seriously doubt he was super descriptive when coming up with a character. The artists contributed quite a lot in the creation of characters.
@LarryRoot348
@LarryRoot348 Ай бұрын
This is a fascinating look at a complex moment in comics history. It's important to remember the contributions of all the creators, not just Stan Lee
@11zanderman
@11zanderman Ай бұрын
Dang, I always though Dick Giordano was the best inker for Neal Adams. But after reading the Adams - Palmer X-Men run, I am not so sure.
@captain_uk
@captain_uk Ай бұрын
Just even more confirmation of what a FRAUD Funky Flashman was, great factual video.
@ChimBrouer
@ChimBrouer Ай бұрын
Jack Kirby is the mastermind behind the entire Marvel Universe, and Steve Ditko had created his own playground with Spider-Man and Dr Strange. Stan Lee just put words in the word balloons. You can see this e.g. if you look closely at the FF run. After #67 (July 1967) there is a masive downturn in the series, because Jack Kirby decided to bring no new ideas into the series, because he felt betrayed by Stan Lee. All the issues from then on feel uninspired, no new interesting villains, only mindless android robots. That is because Jack Kirby did all the story telling before and Stan only did the words.