It seemed to keep her on Azeroth and she still wanted out of it. So I'm sure it had its own drawbacks.

I use WoWModelviewer, Blender, and the WoW Addon Narcissus to make machinima! All are free!

@@Skollshorties yo but on wowmodelviewer there is no DF version

@@teshki1449 Yeah unfortunately the Shadowlands version is the only one that works at the moment. Narcissus Addon is the best secondary option if not Blender.

He's actually a grandfather too!

@@Skollshorties well damn!!

Jeremiah absolutely kills it here. I'm floored at how good he was in all of this.

Me too! Everyone and you did an epic job on this!

Thanks Antonio!

Thank you! Hope you enjoy Flow Live!

God. Damn it. Box!

Xal'atath didn't have a character design prior to being an elf though? Do you mean her dagger/prison's design?

@@Skollshorties I mean they could've gone with a more scary looking design. Not some sad horny bait stuff like they did with Sylvanas. It's more less made the void look weak and kinda sad

I don't think it'd be that interesting and there wasn't much evidence before that he cheated prior anyways.

Garrosh wanted Thrall to use his elemental powers against him just like in their first duel. Thrall didn't want to use it because he was hoping he could spare Garrosh. But Garrosh was a lunatic that needed to be put down. Also shamanism is heavily orcish. So that was very orcish.

@Skollshorties Garrosh needed to be put down, but if Thrall was going to use his powers in the first place, then why even bother doing the Mak'gora. The rules didn't say that Thrall couldn't use shamanistic powers, but let's be for real. Everyone knows that Mak'gora basically means: 1v1, no armor, and with no help of any kind, which means no spell weilding powers.

@@jmcghane That isn't really correct. Mak'gora the rules are set by the two fighters. Armor can be allowed. Magic can be allowed. And weapons can be allowed. It has to be otherwise stated what isn't allowed. The whole point of this video was detailing what their rules were. Which adds up to their past Mak'gora in Wrath where armor and spells were permitted.

@Skollshorties When Sylvanas fought Saurfang, did Sylvanas cheated, or (if you saw the Warcraft movie), did Gul'dan cheated against Durotan? If your answer is no, then Thrall did nothing wrong.

@@jmcghane Saurfang and Sylvanas' duel didn't have any established rules and Thrall warned Saurfang he'd lose because of Sylvanas' untold power. So no cheating. As for Gul'dan and Durotan's duel it's only in the movie's canon and not canon in WoW's remotely. So it's a void point here. So yeah Thrall did no wrongs here.

While there are hiccups in Chronicles Volume 4 this is not one of them. There was plenty of evidence prior that showcased this was allowed in the first already. This just further confirmed it.

@@Skollshorties I would just stick to those prior evidences then. That book is an awfull and unreliable source, although being official blizzard content.

@@KatmeisterCNV The book has some good nuggets in it and bad nuggets in it. Nothing wrong with them stating what Garrosh and Thrall's rules were. None of that really contradicts the lore.

​@@Skollshorties That's a fair point but my only issue is regarding the concept of unreliable sources per se. Either a source is reliable or it isn't, it can't be both. In my opinion the chronicles as a whole anthology isn't, and giving credit to some things and not to others may be perceived as "cherry picking". Also, Chronicles chapter4 might be the one with more blatant mistakes/conflicting information since it is relating to a period of warcraft's history that every player can still experience in-game, and it is unaceptable that someone allowed it to be released without any seemingly competent proof reading. Btw no hate tho, much respect towards your opinion and work, I just think chronicles shouldnt be used as evidence to anything lorewise at this point.

Perhaps.

Well... I'm not saying he's smart either.

@@Skollshorties "Ah yes, I can definitely defeat the one dubbed world shaman by force alone." Though I've heard he was winning in the original WotlK duel. Is that true?

@@stepanpytlik4021 Garrosh was gaining the upper hand in the duel but when the Scourge attacked Orgrimmar Thrall ended it immediately. So I feel like that is almost foreshadowing that Thrall can beat Garrosh in an instant in both moments.

Thrall is still a coward. massive skill issue. he had to call back up from the elementals

Movie isn't canon so technically yes.

The Movie isn't canon.

The elements stopped working because of Thrall's own depression over killing Garrosh. The elements themselves don't actually care if Thrall used them against Garrosh.

@@Skollshorties is that right? So then they are based on their own emotional state?

@@eternallegacy89 They very well can and usually are. As we saw Thrall torn apart by his own emotions and connections to the elements back in Cataclysm. And with Garrosh, he felt like he failed him and the world so he lost his connection for a bit.

@@Skollshorties so is that why he was losing connection to the elements in the recent trailer then?

@@eternallegacy89 I'm not sure too much on War Within's stuff since I'm not in the beta or alpha. Especially since this plot was originally wrapped up quickly in Shadowlands where he could use them again.

Well, it's coming from me! And since you commented you care! Oh gee! Thrall didn't cheat! Hurrah!

It's literally just people trying to retcon an error that made and the peons lapping it up like the good little sheeple that they are.

i mean how would a mage ever engage in a mak'gora if no magic is allowed

@@hejalll because it's an orc tradition. Orcs have no mages.

@@SpaceMarine113 also the mak'gora is a tradition older than orc shamans

Because Garrosh was arrogant and thought he could beat Thall even with his Shaman powers.

I was right.

Coping is pretty cringe.

@@Darkvega2k7 Assuming is pretty cringe too.. I’ve never been a part of this debate, I don’t post on any WoW forums. Literally not coping. I do enjoy Warcraft lore though, hence this video popping up in my recommended.

@@thelittlestgiant And yet here you are...

@@Darkvega2k7 What are you even implying? I literally explained the situation that you wrongly assumed and you’re still.. Trying to say what? I also see you’ve commented on this content creator’s other content from two months ago, you said something just as vague and confusing, and when he personally replied to you (seemingly proving you wrong) you just decided to never respond. 😂 You’re a really weird and unlikable person. Have a nice life!

You're welcome!