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yes this!!

This!

The whole puppyish thing being a bad thing is not a thing for me and probably a lot of other people lmao. I also didn't like how bickering is always seen as a good thing but like....no. Nine was irritable to me as much as twelve was with his incessant whining when it came toDanny Pink.. I would say Ten and Rose became unbearable when they got separated.

Sorry nine was sometimes irritable. Not always

Same here!

No When did he abandon her for anyone? The reinette situation was completely different to how you describe it, it wasn't the doctor abandoning Rose and it had absolutely nothing to do with Rose and Sarah being jealous with each other especially because they weren't by the end of it (you did watch it right? Seems like you didn't hahaha). If wasn't a parrellel world as it wasn't a world running parrellel to theirs, it was simply 2 points in and time that were connected with each other but not parrellel lol. At one point he literally got STUCK in that time with no way of returning due to the connection being broken however the second he found a way back he didn't hesitate... Yet he abandoned her? I don't think so. Plus Martha and 10 wasn't even close to being better than Rose and 10 🤣😂. I'll be honest I loved all seasons from 1-9 but 3 was not better than 2 lol. Plus that season finale... As a true fan that has me in tears every time, season 3 doesn't get that neither does season 4 tbh.

@@jeremymcginge9768 HuntingViolets transitioned to talking about the series 2 cybermen 2 parter when they started talking about the parallel world. They were not saying that girl in the fireplace took place in a parallel world. Also whether or not martha/10 was better or worse than rose/10 is up to personal opinion. ALSO ALSO Roses jealousy issues were not fully solved by the end of school reunion (as shown by her ongoing jealousy when the doctor just simply knows the name of a server in the parallel world)

@@sadorangeman7371 I know that episode was a parrellel world however they were talking about madam da pompadour when they said it as they were talking about reinette when they said it... Please read. I assumed actual parrellel world but no, they meant on the ship. Also roses jealousy was fully resolved by the end of school reunion as her jealousy was solely towards Sarah, if she becomes jealous again over something else that is an entirely different matter as that is her becoming jealous "again" however the original point they were making was that she was jealous of Sarah and then stayed jealous so the doctor then abandoned her... Which never happened. Also she wasn't jealous over the doctor knowing anyone's name, that's just a load of bull.

@@jeremymcginge9768 Skip to 29:50 in the first episode of the cybermen two parter, thats what im referring to when i say she got jealous over the doctor knowing someones name. it's not really a plot point and just a singular scene but it did happen. I think you've misunderstood the original comment

@@sadorangeman7371 nope, I originally thought that but after reading the comment again I saw what they meant, now you could say that maybe they meant what you're referring to (which is what I originally thought of) however if that's what they meant then maybe they should check on their wording especially since what they said means something different. They mentioned reinette then immediately mentioned jealousy, they also said it was right after school reunion which the parrellel world was not. Also that wasn't jealousy 🤣

I thought Tennant was mostly doing RP?

How are they lower down on the evolutionary scale if they come from different planets and don't have a common ancestor?

It's not about evolution it's about power dynamics from age and life experience, the Doctor regardless to face isn't a human and if they're also old enough to be a grandfather in the 60's then they should definitely be mature enough to know what he was doing with Rose was wrong, the issue is every Doctors classic and those succeeding would be the adult in the room when this happens and not enable. Only time this somewhat happened with Clara but that came from the alien nature of that character and is framed as being something wrong the Doctor believed (Deep Breath addresses it as such). While 9 and 10 enabled it, classic Doctors and future ones would include the Mickey character not compete with her affections and punch down at him. It's an equivalent to a teacher dating their student and competing with her of age equivalent boyfriend. We know in our world that it isn't right because of the fucked up power dynamics. Classic and to some extent new Who Doctor's after it took seriously a duty of care to his companions that was more like the dynamic of a teacher student than lovers. This is actually a wise move and something even Ten's succeeding Doctors didn't do. This is important as a large part of the fandom has deified the era so much that they see succeeding Doctors break this mold and not make the same mistakes and they were the ones labelled out of character when in reality it's the other way around. Only RTD Doctor's openly flirt with young woman companions a fraction of their age and species differences with the clear intent of engaging in a romantic relationship. Even in 11s era it's more Amy's childhood trauma that results in her coming onto him. With Clara it's more a codependency than a romance by the end. He rightfully doesn't reject and actually includes Rory to build him up. And when 12 clashes with Danny later on its to do with ideological differences not love triangle tension. The scrapped plot line in the writers tale made it clear the gralgorithymunfriendlywordming aspect was intentional and a story planned to explain it outright was scrapped (although traits still exist in certain episodes) issue is Rose is a very flawed and traumatised teenage girl that makes so many mistakes that get ignored the following episode because the doctor and lead writer tell you she's the best when it's only because she falls for trauma dumping. The Doctor should show responsibility and set boundaries. If we focus on the evolutionary aspect entirely it misses the point. It's wrong for the same reasons relationships with extremely wide age gaps and species differences in lifespan even if consensual can be toxic and harmful. They lampshade this but then romanticise it in story that is messed up, to say the least. It's actually unethical and not exemplary of the kind of values a character like the Doctor should have. Which would be fine if that was the point but the framing is if we should root for it and it's some catastrophic game changer when it they are seperating when in reality the framing should be around how he got it wrong and he failed to set healthy boundaries. This is excused by apologists who dismiss these concerned but all of a sudden get the ick when 11 says one out of character line, it's hypcritical to these valid ethical concerns but frankly. Time War angst + trauma dump = Rose's families abandonment. All I'm gonna say is I used to hate Jackie Tyler but actually she's the victim of her daugthers selfish choices. Same for Mickey.

@@najawin8348 We’re talking about beastiality if he’s into those of the lower order and if alien then interspecies. Once it was established in Classical Who that the Doctor isn’t physically like a human then they went for the more A sexual acting character which I think fitted the show better as it meant the Doctor was a mysterious figure and soap opera elements were confined more to the companions. Having said that Classic Who wasn’t too concerned with soap elements and just telling a good adventure story. RTD seems to want to write soap fantasy.

​@@PaulRichards-vz4pl No one is talking about beastiality lol, you said "evolutionary scale" that would indicate they have some kind of ancestral history, it's like comparing daleks and cybermen and saying that cybermen are lower in the evolutionary scale... No they're not as they're not remotely related and therefore not on the same evolutionary scale. Humans and time lords are the same, they're a completely different species lol. 1 is more advanced and a much older civilization but that's all. Also you're wrong anyway, there's absolutely nothing wrong with him liking her or her liking him. People fall for each other and ten may be over 900 but he doesn't look or act like it. I mean that's like saying no one from the originals can like a human as they are 1000s of years old... So? (Different show obviously)

Yet in "Doomsday," he plans to send her to the parallel world; it is only because she comes back that he has whatever complicated feelings he has about losing her, and perhaps a lot of that is guilt. Lately I am starting to lean towards the interpretation that he didn't love her the way she wanted or no longer did or didn't by "Journey's End." I think that's a plausible interpretation, but I didn't realize it until other people said they didn't think so and didn't think he felt that way about Reinette (whose safety he seemed to choose over Rose's), which are ideas I'm not sure I fully considered before.

@@HuntingViolets Sure, but the ending of Doomsday tries to have it both ways. Instead of actually resolving that conundrum it just magically separates them.

True, but people, at least to me, seem to have an issue specifically with 10 and Rose, rather than 9 and Rose which obviously has the same issue. For the record, I think the show is aware of this disparity. S1 addresses it more tho which might make the difference

@@thevacuumofcomments2946 I think the Doctor, if he/she/thon wants a romance, definitely in most cases will be stuck with a human and someone so much younger. I think RTD was slow burning Nine and Rose (although he could have made her older to start with -- Piper wasn't 19), whereas Ten and Rose had a thing, at least in some episodes, kind of like _The Avengers_ (not Marvel), where Steed and Mrs. Peel were more are-they-or-aren't-they than will-they-or-won't-they.

From personal experience, you do become happy for a short while after meeting someone and that can even last for a while. But of course it ultimately ends, because the relationship becomes the baseline. Even though it's called the honeymoon period, it can last for a while before that happens, so one series feels like an appropriate amount of time before old problems reappear

Remembered that I read her making the link between 10 taunting Sec and Rose not being able to touch him when they meet on the beach. Thought it best to credit that blog

Strong agree. Tennant isn’t necessarily a bad actor, but the choice to play Ten as Timmy Mallett as newly realised Lothario is... interesting. As a meta commentary on the previously geeky show suddenly becoming "sexy", it works but as a viewing experience it's not much of a step up from wacaday

I think part of it is that the wider public treats 10 as like a bog standard default doctor template when he's actually one of the weirdest doctors when compared to the rest. If the doctor looked back on their life I would argue they would despise the 10th incarnation. This is very intentional btw, it's a fascinating choice to have 10 grow further from the doctor across his run and even if 10 is my least favourite out of 9-12 I like that they did it. It let us have waters of mars which is one of the best episodes of the revival.

He used to be my favorite Doctor (mostly because I grew up with his era), but the more time passes the more he starts getting surpassed. His acting is genuinely great, I just don't really like that take of the character anymore. Of the modern Doctors, Capaldi's and Eccleston's are head and shoulders above it. Though growing up I could finally see why Tom Baker is the true undisputed GOAT.

For me the show itself has hurt David’s regenerations cause at this point he is 4 version of the doctor himself he ends up being 2 regenerations by the end of the 4th season then we have the meta crisis doctor that happens to have the face of David then we have 14 that was also the face of David but not only that it’s like in the merchandise it’s like let’s just put David’s face on it like the new game that’s coming out the picture posted had an animated version of David as the doctor in it this doesn’t mean david tennant is a bad actor by any means cause he isn’t it’s just the show won’t give us time away from him cause he returned doing the moffat era cause he happened to have the 50th anniversary special during his time as showrunner and David got brought back for that and during the times he wasn’t actively on the show they would still produce merchandise with his face on it and they would still call on him to do things like the muppets stage show I have found clips of with him

I guess it's a similar issue to early Amy and Clara lusting after 11. This all probably reflects my dislike for a lot of the show's Doctor/Companion romance subplots, which I don't think have ever really worked whenever they've been introduced

Martha is the best and he should go and give her a proper apology.

​@@KitchenSinkSoup hahaha Clara didn't "lust" after 11 🤣 She liked him as a close friend but she didn't like him romantically and literally anyone who says differently either didn't watch that season or doesn't understand the writing.

@@jeremymcginge9768 Isn't a lot of Deep Breath her adjusting to the Doctor not being cute Matt Smith anymore? It's definitely a thing, not the same extent as Amy sure but it's still present.

@@KitchenSinkSoup no, she's trying to adjust to the doctor she knew literally being a different person. It's the same person but also different, it's not easy to just adjust to someone you feel like you don't know. She knew 11 like a best friend then he just goes away. And exactly they are different as he's more serious lol.

12 was my favourite, _specifically because_ he was so based.