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@user-kt2zx4iv4f 9 сағат бұрын

When we debate about the greatest. His name is never called. Jack Johnson Jack Dempsey Joe Louis Muhammed Ali. But there is an argument to say he was thw greatest. He was undefeated and none of his victories were ever in controversial. He never ran from anyone.

@daveyboy_ Күн бұрын

Then ALI wanted to hype his fight and like most of his fights he used racism. He did it Frazier , Wepner and Foreman.

@andrewoutridge1224 2 күн бұрын

The two of the greatest heavyweights who should automatically command respect, the new heavyweights pale in comparison to those two. I mean would Tyson Fury last a round or two against either of these greats ? Along with Ken Norton and also Big George Forman

@dennisb6954 2 күн бұрын

Let me explain why Joe Frazier is the absolute greatest. Born to sharecropper parents in the South, his family barely scraped by. As a child, Joe was mauled by a giant hog, severely injuring his right arm. With no money for a doctor, his parents did what they could, but Joe was left unable to straighten his left arm. Despite these challenges, Joe defied the odds, He made the American Olympic team, and won a gold medal.Early in his professional career, an accident in the gym left him legally blind in his right eye. Most people would have called it quits, but not Joe. He fought through it and became the world champion. In today's world, Joe Frazier would’ve been written off. Even though he was a bit before my time, I’ve always respected him. He wasn’t just a boxer; he was a fighter in every sense of the word.

@michaelangelo7511 2 күн бұрын

Ali would not have had to FIGHT in the Vietnam war. This is another piece of lying media garbage. He would have been assigned , like Elvis , Joe Louis and many other celebrities an opportunity to just wear the uniform to show pride in America. He never would have fought anyone. Stick your lying narrative where the sun doesn’t shine.

@ricardogaspard5287 3 күн бұрын

This is not completely true, Ali, befriend Joe Fraiser, just to get him to agree to give him a fight because he was broke, and Joe Fraiser, being was to kind to notice what was going on, because he was a fan of Ali.... I don't know how anyone would think they were really friends, there was nothing RIGHTEOUS about calling a black man a gorilla, around the time racism white men called our people monkeys... Ali, wasn't RIGHTEOUS, he was WICKED

@user-ly6sn1lt2f 4 күн бұрын

No they were not close friends, ali was always talking behind his back in interviews. Frazier once said ,no white man ever insulted him like Ali did.

@yq5tp 4 күн бұрын

Fucking legend

@charleslanphier8094 6 күн бұрын

Ali said avoiding women and party's is the hardest thing about being a fighter

@davidgonzales2636 6 күн бұрын

Why would that make him not real He was the greatest heavyweight champion that ever lived

@DepthScroller 6 күн бұрын

Mike actually beated buster Douglas when Mike knocked him 1st time in the fight the refree count it's been 13sec but the refree count 10,instead of 13sec , this is the fucking real reason bro.

@rolandocastillo1389 7 күн бұрын

Brandon Moreno in the back like “fuck these pendejos are going to go at it, I just wanted to watch some good fights”.

@Outerflick 8 күн бұрын

Rocky Marciano may of been the GOAT of his own era but that’s about it, he’d die to any modern fighter and most fighters past and during the Ali era. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. Truth is Rocky Marciano was lucky to fight in his era with small heavyweights, however he and many other fighters from that era wouldn’t even be able to enter the heavyweight division today, they’d be cruiser weights. Not only that but he’s not tall enough anyways, unless he adapted a style like Mike Tyson’s then he’s done and if he did that he’s not really Rocky anymore because Tyson’s style included fundamentals that Rocky lacked. The reason that Rocky would need to adapt that style is because his main style of fighting was just brute force and strength, which wouldn’t work against modern day fighters at all as every single one of them would hit harder then him. He had an amazing physique for the time he fought in but today he just wouldn’t do it. He just lacked reach, weight, height, skill, power, almost everything that new heavyweights have.

@Gigantor567 8 күн бұрын

Maybe someday when you can get out of your wheelchair and walk, you'll understand the fight game.

@Outerflick 8 күн бұрын

@@Gigantor567 I already have mate, and if you really think Marciano could beat modern day fighters then your probably old enough to be in a wheelchair 🤣 .

@Gigantor567 8 күн бұрын

@@Outerflick I just understand the fight game, you don't. You have no real idea of what made Rocky a formidable fighter.

@Outerflick 8 күн бұрын

@@Gigantor567 I’m not saying Rocky is a bad fighter I’m just saying he wouldn’t beat modern day fighters, I thought that would be obvious. Most boxing enthusiasts also believe Rocky only had brute force on his side and no style.

@Gigantor567 8 күн бұрын

@@Outerflick No friend, that is not what most boxing experts think about Marciano. What experts know is that Rocky carried tons of heart, chin, stamina and power, and that's combination that is hard to beat. There is nothing obvious about how Rocky would do today. Did not Usyk just beat huge Fury? Size is not everything. I knew Usyk would win, he is a good fighter, Fury is only big and it's not enough.

@cincinnatipedalsteel4347 9 күн бұрын

Marciano was so awkward and yet so dominant because of his God given power. 49-0 with 43 KOs. I watched several Of his fights today and his knockouts were brutal. Knocked a bunch of guys literally out of the ring and Jersey Joe looked like he was dead when he fell on his head in the first fight.

@lesforets 9 күн бұрын

Best people ✌😍✌❤😍✌❤✌

@veeravirat1722 9 күн бұрын

But in cage du plesis will knock him 😂😂😂

@osirismessiahbey1666 10 күн бұрын

You hear that Floyd SR in JR now put some respect on his name

@osamaalafghanee8868 11 күн бұрын

Frazier went to the White House and told President Nixon:"Give him back his license, so I can beat him up for you".

@donaldsimms2625 11 күн бұрын

Yes I knew it

@elmoelbow 11 күн бұрын

Joe did not go to Cleveland when Jim Brown and Bill Russell had The Summit. Other than that, it appears you are the last to know that they were highly competitive, but equally close.

@jacekbowleg9406 11 күн бұрын

Les Brown wrote in his book Mike Tyson was fighting for the title, but Buster Douglas was fighting for his life! This was Buster's big chance to better himself and his family.

@adesuaolanrewaju752 11 күн бұрын

I can not doubt it because one was born on January 12 and the other one January 17. When the youngest died in 2011 the eldest said that the boxing world have lost a great fighter ,a boxer I respect and admire so much. Both are also great fighter

@mandolindleyroadshow706 12 күн бұрын

That's a dirty punch Rocky hit Joe Walcott with after Walcott was down and out.

@user-uz3uo8ij9d 14 күн бұрын

Какие же они оба великие и симпатичные, хотя судьба распорядилась так по-разному! И это в боксе...

@2815Juan 15 күн бұрын

Sounds like there were so me super natural works at play. Tyson losing was meant to be

@mdasadrizwan9744 15 күн бұрын

Foreman, Frazier and ali were 3 goats at that time.

@hunterrobinson9709 16 күн бұрын

Better than Mayweather. 👍🏻

@pernestomenendez4312 16 күн бұрын

Ni un solo combate perdido , 49 victorias , la mayoria por KO 👌

@user-bp9xw3ht8s 18 күн бұрын

Ali was very wise. The only way he could get Frazier to really fight hard was to insult him. Deep down inside, Ali meant no harm. I don't think Frazier understood what Ali was doing up to that point. It worked. They had three fights, and each fight Frazier tried to rip Ali's head off, which only brought the best out in Ali.

@alberttanner408 18 күн бұрын

BD won give him credit. He became the undisputed Heavyweight Champion must be regarded for his victory the best heavyweight ever win. Tyson has no excuses. No animal on this earth is half minded in a fight.

@danieldawang2120 18 күн бұрын

Tyson tryna understand why Japanese women always blurred out

@johnle6364 19 күн бұрын

buster wouldve lost in the 8th round but boxing is rigged. ref stopped coutnting at 9 it basiaclly went to 15

@bk_1410 19 күн бұрын

It’s funny bc right next to the small Moreno it walks around probably 145 150 just right next to a brawl with 2 guys who walk around 220 230

@Foxie_bktz 19 күн бұрын

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@jandro8370 20 күн бұрын

He was aware of his back. Thats why he retired was due to massive back pain after every fight to where he could barely stand without help for a few days after a bout. It was just his style used a lot of lower back movements.

@Stout_Krout_blackdavidfrost 15 күн бұрын

*All those injuries have been debunked @ The Rocky Marciano Archives "Rocky Marciano Reasons for retirement"*

@Stout_Krout_blackdavidfrost 15 күн бұрын

It's so sad that so many Rocky fans have to LIE inorder to protect him. Disgraceful.

@Stout_Krout_blackdavidfrost 15 күн бұрын

Rocky Marciano's *F-LEVEL* resume (not in exact order): Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much! Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf. Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!! Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D. Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano

@jandro8370 14 күн бұрын

@@Stout_Krout_blackdavidfrost why would I Lie? I read that in his autobiography Unbeaten written by Pulitzer prize winning author Mike Stanton. Talks all about Rocky's demons and difficulties he faced when he was fighting. I don't know why people like u go so much out of their way to discredit Rocky and make him seem like he was a nobody when he was an amazing fighter. Not the best of all time but certainly one of the best. I don't understand how anyone that knows anything about the actual mechanics of boxing couldn't admit Rocky was extraordinary. His story is inspiring. That's what it's all about. Letting people know that hey u too can do amazing things too if u work hard enough at it. U can pick anybody apart if u look hard enough. Ali has even given Rocky his respect and Ali didn't give that lightly.

@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727 8 күн бұрын

"Sonny Liston stood up to me and actually made me give ground. No one has ever done that to me before or since." -- George Foreman