I didn't take the time to watch the whole vid, just checked the tier list at the end. For the most part, I agree with your rankings, except for two of them. Breeding Manager should be down in the bottom tier. Not even a question in my mind. It's an awful card. The other one I disagree with will be an unpopular opinion, but I think Oologist is over-rated. Most people consider it top tier, so I know I'm in the minority here. It's a good card, but it's not the guaranteed 6 points that most people assume. Sometimes, you have a game where you go for bigger birds that cost more to get out, so it's hard to hit 9 birds, and maybe not in the grassland where you'll get lots of eggs at once, so laying that many might be tough. Other times, spreading out your eggs in the final round might be counter to the final round goal, which wants all your eggs in a certain type of nest, or in a certain row, so going for the bonus card will help your opponent(s) beat you in the round goal. So I'd put Oologist in B tier, but maybe with an asterisk. Call it B+.
@carstenmuller81378 күн бұрын
This is a legendary game ;-)
@carstenmuller813710 күн бұрын
Good list: But how you you rank such a bad card: "Northern Shoveler" in C - Its a clear F ... Expensive costs and an effect without benefit for you because the other players draw also cards ....
@carstenmuller813711 күн бұрын
I am surprised that you gave Canvasback a B. Thats a really bad card because all players draw a card , so its not an advantag. And 2 Foods is not extremely cheap .
@carstenmuller813711 күн бұрын
Could you say that the pink birds are in a 2 Player game really bad and in a 5 players game a must have and overpowered ? So that is a bit dificult to rank these.
@carstenmuller813714 күн бұрын
Where can I finde the tier list und whats a good score. I scored 68 in my second play , no idea if its great.
@t.s.18016 күн бұрын
Just re-watched this one as I've been playing a lot more multi-player vs. one-on-one. There are birds that really aren't great on 1v1 that are significantly better as the number of players grow, particularly some of the pink and teal powers. It would be interesting to look at how Oceania has affected the usefulness of base and EE birds.
@HeavyTF2realАй бұрын
Just curious, do you plan to do new tier lists for the NA and EU birds on Oceania boards? I feel like they’d actually shift around a decent amount, there are some birds I rarely if ever use in NA/EU that I actually get tons of use from in OE (vultures, basegame dice predators, etc.) and others that while they were good or excellent already got even better (partridge, green heron, tuck-and-lays)
@tuckNcacheАй бұрын
Good ideas! Will keep that in mind.
@MostVictoryPointsАй бұрын
Wow, what an ending! Well played
@tuckNcacheАй бұрын
Thank you
@lanfalentikoncilija7324Ай бұрын
28:45 wouldn't it be better to gain food, since you know that you will need rodent + woodpecker would give you the eggs to win the round Playing eggs is just 1 egg more, but -2 food, which is basically one action 39:45 same situation here, you need rodents and you are gonna use lay egg acrion in the last round anyway to get the grub, so wouldn't picking up food make more sense?
@tuckNcacheАй бұрын
pileated woodpecker is net one point and barred owl hunting is not guarantee. Grassland net 3 pts is very tempting. Gaining food could have helped with tempo in those situations like you said.
@josephperry37002 ай бұрын
very very clear instructions. The fact I could see the board is a big bonus. Explaining examples of play were fantastic and concise. Tutorial: 5/5!
@tuckNcacheАй бұрын
Appreciate the positive review!
@maxmorehead15692 ай бұрын
Finch in the grassland was better. Either way you trading 3 points for EOR for 3 points from nectar, except if he has a wetlands double bird he could win the EOR even if you play the finch in the wetlands.
@tuckNcacheАй бұрын
good points
@jerryamescua2 ай бұрын
You could have played the swansons hawk in grassland. Spent two nectar. Then discarded nectar for egg, swap out something in hand for chipping sparrow and waste no nectar
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
I like that!
@danny2345552 ай бұрын
To answer the thumbnail, I think Spangled Drongo and Pileated Woodpecker still top the Wood Duck as single cards I'd rather have in the a starting hand, but getting a wood duck pileated combo is the dream. You got almost the same effect here with the chipping sparrow. Great game.
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
Sounds like a hot take!
@HeavyTF2realАй бұрын
I agree pileated over wood Duck just because eggs are so hard to come by, plus it goes very well with wood Duck itself. I’d say Pileated > Wood Duck > Chipping > Drongo. Drongo is excellent, and always a bird I want to get down early, but I think it’s still behind most egg-laying Forest birds for me
@davidmaust14152 ай бұрын
Instead of using rat to pay for eagle, you could've played another bird, then spent nectar to lay eggs
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
Good one
@KnackNester2 ай бұрын
More and more, I'm seeing Keruru is a trap card. Here's my theory: If you have Keruru and you're up against a forest engine, then they most likely collect more nectar than you if their engine is stronger. If they are building in another row, then it can be very easy for your opponent to play around it. There is a very small sweet spot for Keruru where your opponent has a strong forest engine and you have 2-3 forest birds meaning you have decent food access without it, and can take the extra nectar when your opponent takes food. Its super niche in my humble opinion. Thoughts?
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
Interesting… honestly I haven’t played Keruru too much to get a good feel. I think you are onto something here… probably not a go to forest bird, but I won’t mind starting with it(?)
@tonymok5352 ай бұрын
honestly, I never consider Keruru as a forest option unless I really don't get a forest bird...
@KnackNester2 ай бұрын
@@tuckNcache even starting with Keruru feels mid. It's fine, but I'd rather have a "cache a wheat" bird. Those are kind of my bar for starting forest birds
@FalafelWaffle812 ай бұрын
Could you put the window with your face in the bottom left corner? In the bottom right, we can't see one of the tray birds, or the worm or seed count.
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
Yes, I realized that after the recording. Will keep that in mind next time.
@davidmaust14152 ай бұрын
You probably regret not spending egg for extra card especially when harrier missed on Galan
@brookemclaughlin7432 ай бұрын
I love watching the games from each player’s perspective. It gives you a lot of insight into why certain decisions were made. Thanks for posting!
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Lunariant2 ай бұрын
Is your full tier list available as a screenshot somewhere? Thanks for making this btw, it was a fun watch!
@tuckNcacheАй бұрын
DM me on discord
@RoderickEgbertJan_vAmbtsbergen2 ай бұрын
1:24 why do you pick your bonus card so quickly without talking about the other option? Large bird specialist would have gotten you 2 more points in the end
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
The one that gives you 2 pts per bird is typically considered a better return. I always started with gnatcatcher so I just need to play another bird that qualifies to score 4 pts.
@bradenswanson26532 ай бұрын
Great game!
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@adrenalinejunkie47882 ай бұрын
Love your work, gentlemen!
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@adrenalinejunkie47882 ай бұрын
Thanks for another most interesting and useful video. I really enjoy the relaxed, engaging styles of both you two gentlemen.
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
Appreciate your kind words!
@ledmotiv172 ай бұрын
Black crowned night heron deserves a highest ranking imo. It's been crucial in some of my wins that have let me partly skip investing in the forest
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
It’s a great big point bird with some decent use in certain situation.
@theblissfit2 ай бұрын
Why not play swan off of finch?
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
That was a mistake for sure!
@KnackNester2 ай бұрын
@@tuckNcache I think he was planning to play kea last, but didn't realize he wouldn't have the food for it because of the cardinal misunderstanding. His plan made sense with that in mind.
@KnackNester2 ай бұрын
20:00 Hey friend, northern cardinal only gives them a cherry, not you and they did activate it when they took food. That being said, I agree that may have not been the best bird for that situation. As always, thanks for posting your content :)
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
For some reason, I always thought cardinal gives cherry to all players when my opponent plays it.
@riveness2 ай бұрын
Just had a common raven on start and one cheap card draw power in wetland. So went grass and wet. Ended up with another grass that took food for tuck. That 3 card start engine on its own got me 60 points. The rest got me to 120+ (e g. And a few typical lay eggs birds, bonus card birds, high pounts, foid cash). Never took forest turn.
@tuckNcache2 ай бұрын
Nice!
@VeniVinnieVici3 ай бұрын
Why no gull before bushtit here? You don't use bushtit power turn 2 but could've used gull.
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Very good point. I think that would have been a better play. Looking back, definitely notice lots of questionable play in this game haha
@Carutsu3 ай бұрын
Asian Emeral can also be a 10 point bomb
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Yes!
@davidlyngbye61023 ай бұрын
Hello do you prefer the oceanea expansion over the original game? Also can you splash the oceanea expansion into the base game without using the oceanea board ?
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
I still enjoy Oceania quite a lot! The digital version doesn’t allow Oceania with base board.
@CapDanAddams3 ай бұрын
I just watched this veritasium video about the number 37 and this was the next video i went to and the number of views on this video was 37 and now its 38, but i felt like this was quite the coincidence haha
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Coincidences be like that haha
@xiongyizhang88583 ай бұрын
I would maybe have picked partridge over coucal for the starting hand
@jeremyrardin8593 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing! Eggs are so hard to come by with the new board.
@jeremyrardin8593 ай бұрын
Three is of the same food is expensive, though. He was probably hoping for passive eggs to save the turn. Generating 5 eggs a turn with only 1 bird played would have been strong.
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Was really counting on the coucal but unfortunately didn’t work out quite as well for me. I agree patridge has some potential here.
@jfuite3 ай бұрын
It's Ruddy Duck, not "Rudy Duck".
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
I have since learned
@davidmaust14153 ай бұрын
The double eagles probably felt like a dagger
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Don’t think they were the game decider but yes… 😵💫
@FBInstant3 ай бұрын
I was hoping that you play the hornbill after the welcome swallow, it can be a counter to his imperial eagle and level up the citizen scientist bonus cards.
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Yea, I couldn’t quite work out the scenario with hornbill at that time. I think there’s some potential there.
@FBInstant3 ай бұрын
@tuckNcache You would need 2 turns to lay 5 eggs on welcome swallow, 1 or 2 turns to get food, one turn to play hornbill using eggs not on the welcome swallow. But then you could have tucked 10 cards under the hornbill, a 10-point play.
@joegaster343 ай бұрын
For the last hand, I think I would have picked up Towhee, Blackbird, and Bobwhite, with cherry and worm because you can play Towhee, lay eggs and get the seed, then play Blackbird. The difference between the two starts is that one has a Bobwhite, which can be easily played later on thanks to the Towhee for a good grassland engine later in the game.
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
I think with additional food source bobwhite could be viable.
@ritusa093 ай бұрын
The second a in Galah is drawn out, not the first. Like Galaaah, not Gaala. Unfortunately the game pronounces it wrong too.
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Noted. I might have to look it up
@riveness3 ай бұрын
Only grubs is very hard. Food web is low b for me. Decent list. Ty.
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Food web expert is a fan’s favorite on the tournament server
@hanslamal56323 ай бұрын
Will this ever come to android/ios?
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Good question for @monstercouch
@leviedriansantos89243 ай бұрын
It's nice to know you are also playing this! I have the physical board game copy of this game and I can't wait to play this on my Nintendo Switch!
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
I think they did a great job with the digital implementation!
@magicmerl77493 ай бұрын
American Crow is arguably better in a game where the Ravens are banned, since he's a reliable Nectar generator (if you aren't building a Forest engine)
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
That’s not my experience so far. I find getting one food a turn is just not enough to keep up with the OE game pace.
@magicmerl77493 ай бұрын
That's very fair.@@tuckNcache
@ABomm3 ай бұрын
The 2x resources for playing a single bird in a forest/wetlands have radically altered the economy. Low point birds like mallard / gnatcatcher which gave an additional food/card now only give 50% more resources as opposed to 100% more resources (at level 2). Their effect has been greatly reduced and are certainly no longer 'must pick' birds on the early tray. Meanwhile birds that generate eggs, especially outside of the grasslands are even more powerful. In the base game, a card like western meadowlark was situational at best but now can increase your egg laying ability from 2->4 with minimal downsides, it's suddenly a card that isn't tuck fodder.
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
That’s a very nice analysis! Thanks for sharing.
@Carutsu3 ай бұрын
Hunters definitely need a buf although i do not know how
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Predators are getting better with each subsequent expansion, which also makes the base game hunters seem a lot less appealing….I don’t think that can be fixed haha
@SawyerFools3 ай бұрын
I only play with my friends or against bots and I turn off both DLC. I think the game is just more fun with only base game.
@Carutsu3 ай бұрын
Wow. Oceanía is such a smoother experience for me
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Seems like each expansion has it’s appeal and people get to customize the game to their liking, which is one of the things I like about Wingspan
@luiscoelho773 ай бұрын
@@tuckNcache I like the oceania expansion but i dont like the nectar mechanic, i like nectar but it feels that put too focus on food. Its strange to me because i like it but at the same time i also like to strategise if i go pick food, not focusing on nectar is refreshing, meaning, trying focus more in build effently (picking the right food) instead of only playing big point bird, just because i can. Its different. I play with and without it sometimes.
@radikarler14253 ай бұрын
@@luiscoelho77Nectar is just a three point side quest most of the time. Its still about efficiency. But I can definitely see your point about the big/costly birds theyve gotten a lot better.
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
I still enjoy the variety of strategy that OE brings but I think that the introduction of nectar does take away some of the 'tight resource/food management feel' that I enjoy with base game.
@________vini3 ай бұрын
Just watched all videos from this series. Thanks! Love the analysis
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the support!
@KnackNester3 ай бұрын
What is the ruling if someone breaks houserule? Do you have an option to remake or are they supposed to forfeit?
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
That would be a better question for mods.
@vincentgaliano3 ай бұрын
I don’t get how you rank the chimney swift. It’s basically 3 birds in one, as long as you plan what you’re doing next. Super useful at the start and at midgame.
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Good point. But sometimes that can also hand tie you to certain sequence of actions, and take away flexibility to react to changing bird tray or your opponent’s boards.
@vincentgaliano3 ай бұрын
@@tuckNcache well at one point I forget to move it anyway 😅
@Carutsu3 ай бұрын
Such a weird game. Very aimless
@tuckNcache3 ай бұрын
Game be like that sometimes… largely dependent on card draw
@CapDanAddams3 ай бұрын
You're gonna have to change your channel name to tuck and cats 🤣