I wish they would have recast JM. 🤞🏾Kang Dynasty is just postponed.
@altasoyster15 күн бұрын
I really didn't see this coming. They should've recasted the character. It could've been explained away easily, but they chickened out.
@LikeChattingWithAFriendReviews15 күн бұрын
@@altasoyster Right. Same with Black Panther. The MCU needs more melanin, not less!
@generalgrievous258016 күн бұрын
The advertisement made this movie seem way more cool than it actually is
@kayhicks870425 күн бұрын
It’s so disappointing that the actor who plays RJ can’t act, as they’ve done really well with casting child actors overall. Hope they replace him.
@kayhicks870425 күн бұрын
Love your reviews! I saw it as a vow renewal as they were already married, he refers to her as his wife to Okafor 🥰
@altasoyster25 күн бұрын
Thank you! I LIVED when he called her his wife.
@LikeChattingWithAFriendReviews28 күн бұрын
Elon Musk equivalent sent me 😆
@DMovieman29 күн бұрын
Yeah, I have to agree. This one really fell flat, like you said did nothing to expand the world or the knowledge of the creatures. Everything felt fairly routine and generic. I didn't care for the way they played Djimon's last scene in AQP:PII, and I was also annoyed that he was wasted here as well. What you said about the tie-in to his character and transitioning into the second film could have been great! Too bad the writers didn't consider that.
@altasoyster28 күн бұрын
I didn’t like his last scene in Part II either. I realized then and there that his purpose was just to ensure their survival.
@ericthegeneric1611Ай бұрын
Sounds like a good movie 🍿. Thanks
@DéesseISIS11Ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤ this IS the best Season 3 💯 Polin my favourite couple 🎉
@theatricaldiva3028Ай бұрын
Its interesting you point this out because class is still a huge issue in England. It is not often openly spoken of. The government that just ended was full of upper middle class, wealthy people who could not relate to the British people
@BlairWaldorf2013Ай бұрын
That scene was what it feels like when you’re with someone that *you genuinely like and understand and they genuinely like and understand you right back* so it’s new and strange but also effortless. Honestly, when you like a man the way Penelope likes Colin that’s how it always feels. When you’re with a guy that makes you feel like that every time kinda feels surreal and wild but also natural.
@altasoysterАй бұрын
I’m impressed by how they showed us Penelope’s nervousness (the omg this is happening, and it’s my first time kind) and also infused the scene with a level of comfort that reminded us that they already know each other in other intimate ways.
@itsonlysoundАй бұрын
It was perfect! Sexy, sweet and funny❤
@capnslapn2905Ай бұрын
You know Will had something to prove filming this. Smacking an icon and becoming the most famous cuck in the world is a large weight for the ego to bare
@DMoviemanАй бұрын
You made SO many great points here! I had the chance to catch this one back in January, and it was nothing short of a disaster. I had the strangest feeling that Justice Smith being cast as Aren wasn't a coincidence. So I wasn't surprised to find out that the director is also biracial with a white mother. So, this was basically the director using the film to work out his own complicated dynamic/relationship with blackness. So weird and off-putting.
@eileennwachukwu7620Ай бұрын
I think you just misunderstand his character tbh.😂
@KnottylilpoetАй бұрын
Y’all keep saying this but if a majority of people feel like this….. it’s on the writers. This take is the general consensus on Colin.
@eileennwachukwu7620Ай бұрын
@Knottylilpoet this is not the general consensus. This is a minority take tbh. There are alot of people who dislike his character yes, but they are definitely not the majority. I think people project onto him their angers for 'Colins' in their own life and they don't look at him as a character overall. He's just as insecure as Penelope. He was insecure as hell season 1 and 2. Why is it that people are fine and supportive with Penelope's insecurities, but they brush off Colin's? It's because they can relate to her but he reminds them of men that didn't see them.🤷🏾♀️
@altasoysterАй бұрын
I'm being genuine when I say this: Colin is not a complicated character. So what is there to misunderstand? He's not dealing with possible rejection from society like Benedict or King George; no mental health issues that the people around him don't understand, like King George; no childhood trauma like Anthony and Simon; no secret identity or operating outside of gender assignments like Penelope (and Benedict for the latter). Colin is a very straightforward character, which isn't bad. But it's boring the way they chose to tell it. His little "I'm a player" storyline in the first half was unnecessary and uninteresting. Are you saying I don't understand him simply because I don't see it for him? Because your comment implies that if I understood him, I'd be a fan, as if that is the only option. I do understand him, and I don't think he's interesting enough for Penelope.
@retrorach8533Ай бұрын
@@altasoyster yeah I thought they would show he was lying about his conquests and his journal is fiction
@kitara251862 ай бұрын
I'm mad at myself for just now discovering your reviews 🤦🏾♀️ I love them ❤️❤️❤️ thanks for the content ☺️
@altasoyster2 ай бұрын
You’re welcome; thanks for watching!
@user-om2kq5bl9v2 ай бұрын
Michonne pulling Rick out the helicopter was top tier! 🤌and I do think they match each other's crazy! Love them!
@1981duchess2 ай бұрын
Michonne wins crazier hands down.
@dragnfly1383 ай бұрын
Yo 😂 I have watched this video so many times. 4:27 and this is my favorite part. We did forget Rick hacking that dude from Terminus and the saviors Rick killed in the barn when he promised to let them go.
@user-in4np7ll7h3 ай бұрын
They’re a Good Crazy!!!!
@LynzzViews3 ай бұрын
You're right about him wanting to make up for it if he had to knock Michonne out. He almost got himself killed trying to get her a deer to make up for the one Negan took from her. The mints too because he lost the toothpaste to a lake lol.
@altasoyster3 ай бұрын
Exaaactly. Doesn’t matter how dire the situation is, he’s always thinking about Michonne and putting a smile on her face. Remember despite the crap he went through with Jadis and the trash walker, he still spotted that cat sculpture? The man’s always working with what he’s got🥰.
@Cupcakeone13 ай бұрын
Lmbo don’t forget her attempting to go through a herd of a million walkers to get to Rick! Mrs. ma’am’s is crazy in love chile 😩 Michonne definitely takes the crown for who’s crazier in the relationship 💗
@kmags80653 ай бұрын
The thing is they are both crazy and A’s the difference is in the approach with michonne she starts with actions and then words come later with Rick it’s words first then actions later but at the end both ALWAYS deliver ❤
@selfrespectingfemale68113 ай бұрын
I'm just seeing your reviews, love them.
@altasoyster3 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@selfrespectingfemale68113 ай бұрын
BOTH ARE CRAZY, with in reason of course. 😂😂😂
@jannaspringer42583 ай бұрын
I'm sorry but over the years all the stuff that's gone on. Rick is a savage caveman. No one was scared of michonne but they heard of rick and respected the name.
@bethanychatman953122 күн бұрын
Rick's scared of Michonne! Watcha talking about?!
@discoveringhealthandfinanc832822 күн бұрын
@@bethanychatman9531😂😂😂😂. Exactly! Rick is the only one that knows how crazy she is lol
@LittleMizzJonas3 ай бұрын
I personally loved the review. I have seen it and clicked in to hear your thoughts and to reflect on the plot more. I agreed with most of your points and found that you brought a lot of thoughts to mind that I hadn't considered. The analysis of what you felt was missing was very thoughtful and I agree, would have made the movie stronger/would have added complexity. I love the reflection on the people in the story deciding what various things mean and claiming that it's God's will and how that reflects real life. The way I thought they reconciled the "miracle" that wasn't really a miracle was just religious delusion?? Being so swept up in what they were trying to do and because it was contrived. Just based on what the one guy said about, "If God didn't want this, why wouldn't he stop us?" But I agree that it would have been more interesting or at least clearer to hear more about what they were trying to fulfill and hear more of the history of these attempts.
@altasoyster3 ай бұрын
I see what you’re saying about the delusion, and I agree. It’s also a bit sinister, too, because the question of “Well, why wouldn’t God stop us?” lends itself to a reality where they don’t hold all the power in this situation. God does. But based on what these women are going through, these flesh and bone authority figures do hold all of the power. It’s like the question is more for their victims (to pile on that what’s happening to them is fate) than for themselves as the architects.
@skye37993 ай бұрын
I'm sorry but I watch reviews to actually learn about the whole movie. If you haven't seen it , the review is very confusing
@altasoyster3 ай бұрын
That’s interesting, and I wonder how many people are like that. I do most of my reviews with the mindset that the people who click have seen the movie since majority of my reviews contain spoilers. Sometimes I do a short recap (and it’s usually the same summary that’s online), but most of the time I dedicate the time to reacting.
@skye37993 ай бұрын
@@altasoyster I get that. 😊
@peacekeeperbabe3 ай бұрын
Girl Rick is white people crazy (u fear approaching it b/c they put it aside & hurt u). Michonne is crazy (resourceful) in response 2 her crazy circumstances. When Lori died, Rick goes into ‘Morgan Mode’ (must clear!), in a locked up part of prison instead of looking out for basis needs (what will Judith eat/is Carl ok/ensuring there r no dead in open part of prison…); when he puts it aside, rescues Glenn/Maggie/freezes during conflict & lets Oscar die without resistance. Despite the fact that Michonne directly led them to Woodbury & is battered/wounded disarm her (temporarily until she convinces him) & locks her up when they return 2 prison. When they return 2 prison; Rick removes Tyrese’s group making enemies out of them (as least half of them) & they join Woodbury; with partial knowledge how they can penetrate the prison from the combs. That’s crazy. That’s crazy stupid. After Michonne ‘creates’ her walkers, she realizes that they mask other walkers from attacking her. She gets them to carry stuff. She turns her trauma into an advantage. She was sane enough 2 save Andrea from heard remnants. During TOWL, both Michonne & Rick experience a severe lack of community. Michonne reacts in a way that creates one (sharing her protective strength) by rescuing Bailey & Aiden (right Andrea?) leads Michonne 2 people who enable her survival long enough to find Rick. Rick? TOWL opens with his casual suicide attempt, he ASKED for it when he threw down with Okafor. Framing him lopping off his hand is a lie at best, that was a suicide attempt. (the two amputations that he had witnessed before; Tyrese and Herschel, He saw him go unconscious. He had no resources, he didn’t have a map. It was in the dark! ) Naw, not an escape attempt that’s suicide 2 escape. He makes no attempt 2 build community/familial ties. By their force circumstances, him and Pearl are the closest ghost of familiar/family. Pearl, who gets her promotion calls Rick family, and then demands a salute. A decent example of how family can destroy u b/c they have the greatest access. Michonne knows without a give/take altitude; you will be destructive (despite pure intentions )Rick, He’s really slow to pick up this lesson.
@ddyert4 ай бұрын
They’re both more than a little crazy… definitely. But Michonne… she’s down right insane.
@fizzychizzy4 ай бұрын
His wife was a soldier...they both were. They were tired of killing/bombing these cities for the government. So they made a choice. His wife choice for Okafor to save the people of Philly and bomb the soldier instead...which is where she was stationed. As an aside, I am positive Okafor is not at peace regarding that decision. In his room, there are tons of hanging dog tags. And it looks like he meets up with Rick and Thorne in the wreckage of his bombing. I believe he goes back to that stadium all the time and looks for his wife's body i.e. collecting the dog tags of the walker soldiers.
@altasoyster4 ай бұрын
Gotcha. I assumed Okafor and his wife were in the same space when the decision was made. That’s the piece I was missing.
@Alesana9074 ай бұрын
On top of pulling them out of a freaking helicopter, michonne also forced them to stay in a building that was crumbling down 😂😂 As bad as rick wanted that prb the whole episode, i only saw him really get ready just in case to use it at that moment
@altasoyster4 ай бұрын
Bits of ceiling falling down, and she’s like “sit down”😭. They were in there cuddling while the support beams were on the verge of giving up, lmao. I love them so much.
@gigimc4 ай бұрын
oh they're both loonytoons, but it's a beautiful thing that they balance each other out... and don't forget the Lori 'phone calls' 😏
@altasoyster4 ай бұрын
Rick will disappear into a hallucination/dream QUICK!😂
@fizzychizzy4 ай бұрын
We as the audience had the "opportunity" to see Rick have that level of crazy where he was talking on the phone. Michonne admits she was out there by herself talking to her dead ex-boyfriend. Mind you, she sure did have his dismembered body walking beside her the whole time. Michonne is a different level of crazy. I think we all don't realize how insane it is because she is rarely out there hallucinating...her level of crazy always seems calculated. But every time we think about the level of brutality Rick hits, Michonne is right there with him. And with Danai's revelation that that level of brutality may have been what made Michonne fall in love with Rick subconciously...it only gets worst. Chopping up termites...Michonne was with it. Adoringly watching Rick bite out a guys throat and disembowel another. the way she ran her sword through that man in the cabin in Season 3. Its always been kill mode for her. I just thought of it. When Rick goes crazy, he implodes in on himself and sort of gets weak. Think about Negan. Whereas, Michonne, when the trauma happens, is like "fuck all that noise...we still fighting." She said the Saviors outnumbered them like 10 to one...the Alexandrians weren't even close. But she was like, that don't change anything. We still fighting. that is a certain amount of crazy. Rick was like "I just wanna go home" in TOWL. And Michonne was like, "we got to blow this whole place up." lol
@altasoyster4 ай бұрын
@@fizzychizzy And the way she ran Jessie's son through when he aimed that gun at Rick. I've been thinking about Michonne's unwillingness to back down after I recently watched the scene where Rick asked her to turn the guns over to Negan. I think I mentioned it in one of my episode reviews for TOWL (probably episode 4 or 5), but I really believe that Michonne's primary drive in the face of immense loss or being conquered (like by Negan) is preserving what she has (left). She was never supposed to come back from the loss of Andre and Mike's betrayal. She was supposed to stay a monster walking among monsters, talking to the corpse who turned her into a monster, into the walking dead. But then Andrea, and the prison, and that community, and Carl, Rick, Judith. That is a drive to preserve her humanity by holding on to the people who brought her back to herself (whether in big or small ways). The people who made her want to live instead of drift among hordes. That drive makes it so that no enemy is too big. Negan or the CRM could neva eva have enough people to make her accept losing her community, her people, her way of life, her humanity and reverting back to being the walking dead. TOWL showed us the only thing powerful enough to get her to accept defeat in preserving the life she never thought she'd have again is the love of her life resisting her long enough. Such an incredible character. I'm sooo happy we got TOWL where she didn't need to share screentime with a whole bunch of other characters.
@doncushilinie95584 ай бұрын
That kid cannot act for real for real
@karaialuna83414 ай бұрын
Michonne. She’s the one who always convinces Rick to do the seemingly impossible. She doesn’t give up. I said when I was watching it, I think if the tables had been turned and Michonne was captured by the CRM, she would have managed to escape.
@squirrelsinjacket18043 ай бұрын
I think the thing with Michonne is she's absolutely committed to fighting for a real life even if it means giving up her own for it. Rick is the same way it just takes him longer to get there because he's the main leader and still wants to protect his people.
@jannaspringer42583 ай бұрын
That's true, she really is the behind the scena leader but she also stops him from going nuclear.
@JeRushaCorsette4 ай бұрын
Michonne!!
@dragnfly1384 ай бұрын
Thank you. That kid can’t act.
@dragnfly1384 ай бұрын
This video cracked me up. Rick thinks he crazy but Michonne is smart crazy. Rick only thinks a plan part way though. Michonne knows what is for dinner afterwards. 😂
@la11224 ай бұрын
I think they're both equally crazy, tbh lol🤣! Like their crazy complement each other, imo!🙃💞
@tlgregory124 ай бұрын
You might be right about Michonne lol
@discoveringhealthandfinanc83284 ай бұрын
I think they match each others crazy... thats why they work lol
@JeRushaCorsette3 ай бұрын
Absolutely! He found the person who could handle his type of crazy and so did she!!
@tashannholloway52924 ай бұрын
Yeah. I think Michonne beats Rick in the crazy department.😂
@squirrelsinjacket18043 ай бұрын
Yup, she was terrifying when Rick still had his head in CRM mode and she made him decide as the building was collapsing.
@leahm18834 ай бұрын
Michonne was straight up cutting ppls throats when she found him again yeah she straight up the DON
@EchoJ4 ай бұрын
I don’t know…blowing himself up on the bridge to stop the walkers was pretty crazy😂 Michonne’s “fck them kids” moment, deleting Joselyn’s Cult Kids while 7mo pregnant was also pretty cray😂 But I still have to give the CrayCray Award to Rick, though. Simply on account of his willingness to inflict damage on himself to get the job done. Michonne is a better strategist, so her crazy acts can be rationalized as the best/only way to accomplish whatever the goal is; meanwhile, Rick chopping off hands in the woods at night and thinking he’s gonna escape capture before he bleeds out or passes out and a walker nibbles his stump. Dude is insane 🤣🤣
@altasoyster4 ай бұрын
How could I forget the bridge?! See, that’s what I mean. When the going gets tough, Rick levels up to do whatever needs done.
@kimj58013 ай бұрын
🤣 @ 🗣️🖕🏾them kids!
@marym503710 күн бұрын
You are absolutely right! lol. Rick is a savage, a warrior, a sweet, kind human, but definitely insane!
@RGlee264 ай бұрын
Great points. She was not hearing him when he said what they had was broken. Lmbo. He cuts his hands off and she pulls them out of a helicopter. 😂😂
@altasoyster4 ай бұрын
He went from pulling her into making out in a warehouse to what we had is broken. She needed answers!😂
@bethanychatman95314 ай бұрын
@@altasoyster Or moaning in her ear on a forest floor to telling her it's over. lol
@n1ghtofthedead4114 ай бұрын
I mean that is one way to look at it. But on the flipside, whole Atreides house was slaughtered, so on behalf of that, Paul was not in the wrong at least not with his intent for the most of the movie. It was not just a few people like his family. Pretty much whole nation. Also, Fremen did not have had a great time with Harkonens either, so i don't see this like a tragic deception. What were the alternatives?
@bambina56044 ай бұрын
He's not allergic to spice and he's not the one.
@daquaviousbingleton97634 ай бұрын
He is the one the Fremen prophecy was made up but the Bene Gesserit prophecy about the Kwisatz Haderach is real a powerful enough mind to see through space and time which he can do. It was not meant to be him tho he was meant to be a daughter and was to be married to Feyd but his mother wanted to give his father an heir so she had a boy but everything else lines up
@bambina56044 ай бұрын
@@daquaviousbingleton9763 he's A Kwisatz Haderach but not THE Kwisatz Haderach.
@daquaviousbingleton97634 ай бұрын
@@bambina5604 Then using that logic the original prophecy is wrong? As they said the KH would be a single mind not a line of them starting with Paul, Paul defied the prophecy and is exactly what the prophecy described he’s just not the person they thought it would be 🤷♂️
@bambina56044 ай бұрын
@@daquaviousbingleton9763 his sister and his son will have similar abilities and Paul changes in the second book which was written because people misunderstood the first one
@daquaviousbingleton97634 ай бұрын
@@bambina5604 He doesn't change as such but renounces his Holiness which means he did it all for nothing
@bellesvideos95784 ай бұрын
1) The atreides Family was getting too powerful because the other great houses began to look to them for leadership and advice. They had ruled over caladan (their home planet) in such a profitable way that the other houses began to flock to them for wisdom basically. (Paul's dad literally says this in the first movie) The emperor doesn't like this. as this basically threatens his STAND as the emperor and could one day potentially lead to the duke taking his place. in the words of the baron who he eventually uses as a cover to destroy the atreides "the atreides voice is rising and the emperor is a jealous man" 2) They literally tell you that the great Houses who we have established were basically looking up to the atreides if they learn about what the emperor has done to the atreides would rebel against the empire and there will be WARFARE and CHAOS. that is the consequence of the emperor's betrayal and why he didn't want people knowing what he did. Hence why he uses the desert as a cover up. if they die there nobody would question it right? after all the desert isn't for the weak. in Fact, the baron in part two eventually tries to use the fact that the emperor did this and wouldn't want it to get out as a way to put feyd on the throne. it's ALL answered in PART 1
@altasoyster4 ай бұрын
"They literally tell you" I don't know if you've ever heard this, but when screenwriters (especially) rely on telling over showing, it's an information dump and not an effective way to write a movie. All their telling in Part One was not effective. That's why I summarized Part One as setup. Setup that did nothing to get me invested in their lead or the world.
@bellesvideos95784 ай бұрын
@@altasoyster Its not an information dump if its only TWO OR THREE LINES IN A 2HR MOVIE. duke leto tells paul 'the great houses look to us for wisdom and the emperor by taking arrakis from the harkonenns and giving it to us, sets a stage for a war' and the barron says ' when is a gift not a gift? the atreides voice is rising and the emperor is a jealous man" and liet kines and lady jessica in a one minute scene simply say the aftermath of finding out what the emperor has done will lead to war. these two lines are how I got my information on the two things you said you didn't get in the first movie. For a book that has a lot of explaining done, denis managed to convey that information in two different lines in a movie that's over 2hrs. that's not an info dump in my opinion. agree to disagree. everything else such as the literal attack and much else is SHOWN to you. I didn't disagree with you on the fact that part one was a set up, that's why its called part one, it set up the world, its characters and the early parts of the story, and it doesn't matter to me if you were interested or you liked it. tastes and opinions differ. I simply let you know in my comment that the questions you said weren't answered in the first one actually were, and i gave you proof of that.
@altasoyster4 ай бұрын
@@bellesvideos9578 The CAPSLOCK definitely sells that it doesn't matter to you if I'm interested in or like the movie. I still stand by what I said, because even with those lines (in case you didn't see it, I looked down at my computer during my review of Part One, because...I took notes), the Atreides' importance did not translate. It could have been done better. That's probably a blasphemous statement to you considering you seemingly got everything you needed out of Part One (this must be why you're coming with so much heat. I saw it in your first comment even before you deployed the capslock). It's not lost on me that the overarching point of my review of Part One is that I didn't connect with it, because I don't think they did a good enough job, and you chose to jump into the fray by explaining something you think I got wrong as if...what? Pointing out the exposition was going to make me change my mind? And if you didn't think it would change my sentiment on the movie, are you then typing just to type?
@bellesvideos95784 ай бұрын
@@altasoyster I apologize if my comment is giving the wrong idea as to where I'm coming from. the CAPSLOCK is selling my emphasis on a point I'm trying to make. same with my first comment. Like I said, the point of my comment was to point out the fact that questions you said weren't answered in the first actually were. Your connection to the story or lack thereof in this case and your disapproval with how the story was told really doesn't matter to me. I never said you should like the story, or how its told. Like I said opinions differ. You said something wasn't there, I simply responded that it was and showed you were. (that's literally my entire first comment.There is no statement there alluding to me shitting on your opinion at all) it may or may not change your opinion or feelings on the story but that's not my business. it was a simple correction on your statement. and the second was my own opinion on your take on what an exposition dump is. that's why I used the words 'in my opinion'
@yomama6294 ай бұрын
@@altasoyster and what movies have you written/directed/filmed/produced that give you the authority to tell Villeneuve how to make an effective movie?
@sheepsky4 ай бұрын
Paul is using the fremen as cannon fodder to get revenge for his family and place himself on the Imperial Throne via religious manipulation. He is basically too much of a coward and too self-important to make the right choice for the Fremen. I don't think its fair to call it a coloniser fantasy though, what is done to the Fremen isn't portrayed as a good thing but instead a tragedy, especially as the series continues, and yes, part 3 is in the works. It's a tale about how the struggle for national liberation can be subverted and overtaken by said colonisers and religious extremism. Frank Herbert, the author, said his main point he wanted people to take away from the novel was this: “I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." One of the most dangerous presidents we had in this century was John Kennedy because people said "Yes Sir Mr. Charismatic Leader what do we do next?" and we wound up in Vietnam."
@altasoyster4 ай бұрын
Do you think Paul in Part Two is aware he’s using them as canon fodder? I’m genuinely asking. Because part of what I was getting at when I said he’s not engaging is there was no complexity in Timothée’s eyes in the scenes prior to the poison ingestion. Paul was content to just follow the Fremen around, deny what his mom wants for him, and maybe eventually get revenge for his dad. He didn’t wrestle with possibly using the Fremen, which is why Post Poison Paul feels like a light switch to me and comes off more like he’s possessed. I still place it in the colonizer fantasy category, because not only is Paul using the Fremen as cannon fodder but so is the author/writer. My definition of colonizer fantasy is one where the outsider/Great White Hope shows up to lead/free/save the native population, and the native population is shown as being completely hopelessly were it not for this outsider (like the first Avatar). A colonizer’s greatest fantasy is that the colonized will forgive their transgression (by seeing them as “different”), value the colonizer’s knowledge/way above their own, and ultimately not rise up/fight back. The Fremen were fighting back, and then here came Paul. Because what use is a warning about charismatic leaders to the oppressed? Especially within the story? And Paul has more than charisma on his side. He has religion with real supernatural powers plus military weapons, and a whole government on his side. That doesn’t mean I think the lesson of the book and story is useless. I’m sure it has and will benefit people and make them realize things they hadn’t about charismatic leaders. I’m saying the story ultimately values the Fremen as much as Paul does, which is not at all. We could’ve had both. Maybe I’m jumping the gun and Chani will gather a bunch of Fremen we haven’t seen yet to at the very least force the Fremen following Paul to separate from him. But so far she’s the only dissenting voice, and they haven’t started showing this as disastrous for the Fremen yet, only portraying them as silly for believing in the Messiah. Thanks for the quote from the author. Now I have even more thoughts, lol. Thanks for telling me there’ll be a Part 3. I just looked it up and confirmed. I’m curious about how I’ll view the whole story once we have all the parts.
@sheepsky4 ай бұрын
@@altasoysterthank you so much for the well thought-out and long response. Will try my best to answer Paul is absolutely aware of what he is doing the moment he drinks the water of life and becomes prescient. He doesn’t just see the future, he sees all possible futures and still choses one that will lead the Fremen to ruin for his own gain. He basically loses himself in that moment, ceasing to be just the 15/16 year old he was, and becomes something more than human, and certainly not a good thing. His humanity is basically lost when he does this. Humans aren’t designed to be able to essentially have the minds of a God. He is the villain of the story because he is presented with these choices and possibilities but still proceeds down a path of revenge as that is what will best suit him and his own ends. I’d argue Dune is a critique of the White Saviour trope, and I believe it was intended to be one. Paul is anything but the saviour of the Fremen. The religious fundamentalists think he is, but again, this religion is not native to the Fremen, itself is a colonialist project by the Bene Gesserit. It’s meant to show why people don’t need “saviours” like Paul to save them because ultimately people like that will always be self interested and can’t fully understand what it is like to be Fremen, in this case. If Dune were a coloniser fantasy surely it would have Paul as the noble hero outsider who learns the way of the Fremen to lead them to victory, and that would be where it ends. But it doesn’t and that isn’t even the story. I think its important to keep in mind that the religion is meant to be and is very clearly described in the text as being artificial. Paul is basically the result of a failed eugenics program by the Bene Gesserit to assert their absolute control over the Empire. He is not even meant to be the chosen one, his mother was told to bear only daughters. The book does explain this better but Paul was meant to be a girl, marry Feyd-Rautha and their child was meant to be who the Bene Gesserit sought to install on the Throne and control. So he’s not even the actual chosen one. He’s basically a mistake. I think the warning about charismatic leaders is just a general one, not for solely oppressed peoples. I think there is an argument to made though that desperate people often turn to less than ideal figures to lead them, especially religious ones. A good example would be the Iranian revolution against the Shah. Also Chani being a voice of reason is, I think, an excellent change from the book to help better convey these themes which seem to go over a lot of peoples heads. The original 1984 movie basically does make Paul a Messiah who can literally call rain to make Arrakis green and thats how it ends lol, which is why so many dislike that movie. In the book Chani is totally devoted and a strong believer. This change gives her more agency also which is a good change. I really don’t want to spoil the rest of the series for you as they (at least Dune Messiah) will be made into movies but I will just say that Paul is definitely not the hero of the story. I see the tale as a tragedy like I said.
@altasoyster4 ай бұрын
@@sheepsky Thanks for not spoiling it. I totally agree and mentioned in my review of Part Two that it's understandable why a group of people who are constantly suffering, constantly under attack and under threat of being wiped out would believe there's a higher power rooting for them. Even better if that higher power actually shows up! I'll see how Part Three plays out.
@brighttooth35924 ай бұрын
Nice
@Zues42354 ай бұрын
The books are about Paul, the fremen are just apart of the story being told. Paul and his rainy and story along with what is to come is the story.
@altasoyster4 ай бұрын
I didn’t read the books, but I’ve seen people who did say the story is a warning against charismatic leaders (AKA Paul. See the comment below). Do you agree with that? My biggest problem is I don’t find Paul charismatic in the first place.
@ExtraterrestrialUnleashed4 ай бұрын
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@SunsetRogue4 ай бұрын
@@altasoyster It doesn’t matter that you don’t think Paul is charismatic. What matters to the story is that the Fremen find Paul to be charismatic. A charismatic leader doesn’t mean “charming appeal” as it’s often applied to Hollywood celebrities. Paul as a leader has what is called *charismatic authority* by sociologists. According to Max Weber (a sociologist and historian who was one of the early founders of modern-day sociology), charisma in his profession’s definition means _“a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which he is set apart from ordinary men and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities.”_ Furthermore, these things _“are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as of divine origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader. . .”_ That is the distinction. Paul may not have personal charm in your eyes, but he does have special abilities he learned from his mother as well as genetic advantages he inherited from the Bene Gesserit breeding program. Add his abilities and genetic heritage to the Fremen superstitious belief in a messiah (Lisan al Gaib) and Paul appears godlike to Fremen eyes. It’s not about his personality and whether it’s likable or not. It’s about his rare abilities which make him seem ideal for leadership to susceptible people. And it helps that his mother used her manipulative powers to steer the Fremen to that conclusion.
@daquaviousbingleton97634 ай бұрын
@@altasoysterPaul is respectful a great warrior and intelligent if you wanted another word than Charismatic it would the dangers of zealously following a great person