I really didn't see this coming. They should've recasted the character. It could've been explained away easily, but they chickened out.

@@altasoyster Right. Same with Black Panther. The MCU needs more melanin, not less!

Thank you! I LIVED when he called her his wife.

I didn’t like his last scene in Part II either. I realized then and there that his purpose was just to ensure their survival.

I’m impressed by how they showed us Penelope’s nervousness (the omg this is happening, and it’s my first time kind) and also infused the scene with a level of comfort that reminded us that they already know each other in other intimate ways.

Y’all keep saying this but if a majority of people feel like this….. it’s on the writers. This take is the general consensus on Colin.

@Knottylilpoet this is not the general consensus. This is a minority take tbh. There are alot of people who dislike his character yes, but they are definitely not the majority. I think people project onto him their angers for 'Colins' in their own life and they don't look at him as a character overall. He's just as insecure as Penelope. He was insecure as hell season 1 and 2. Why is it that people are fine and supportive with Penelope's insecurities, but they brush off Colin's? It's because they can relate to her but he reminds them of men that didn't see them.🤷🏾‍♀️

I'm being genuine when I say this: Colin is not a complicated character. So what is there to misunderstand? He's not dealing with possible rejection from society like Benedict or King George; no mental health issues that the people around him don't understand, like King George; no childhood trauma like Anthony and Simon; no secret identity or operating outside of gender assignments like Penelope (and Benedict for the latter). Colin is a very straightforward character, which isn't bad. But it's boring the way they chose to tell it. His little "I'm a player" storyline in the first half was unnecessary and uninteresting. Are you saying I don't understand him simply because I don't see it for him? Because your comment implies that if I understood him, I'd be a fan, as if that is the only option. I do understand him, and I don't think he's interesting enough for Penelope.

​@@altasoyster yeah I thought they would show he was lying about his conquests and his journal is fiction

You’re welcome; thanks for watching!

Exaaactly. Doesn’t matter how dire the situation is, he’s always thinking about Michonne and putting a smile on her face. Remember despite the crap he went through with Jadis and the trash walker, he still spotted that cat sculpture? The man’s always working with what he’s got🥰.

Thank you!

Rick's scared of Michonne! Watcha talking about?!

​@@bethanychatman9531😂😂😂😂. Exactly! Rick is the only one that knows how crazy she is lol

I see what you’re saying about the delusion, and I agree. It’s also a bit sinister, too, because the question of “Well, why wouldn’t God stop us?” lends itself to a reality where they don’t hold all the power in this situation. God does. But based on what these women are going through, these flesh and bone authority figures do hold all of the power. It’s like the question is more for their victims (to pile on that what’s happening to them is fate) than for themselves as the architects.

That’s interesting, and I wonder how many people are like that. I do most of my reviews with the mindset that the people who click have seen the movie since majority of my reviews contain spoilers. Sometimes I do a short recap (and it’s usually the same summary that’s online), but most of the time I dedicate the time to reacting.

@@altasoyster I get that. 😊

Gotcha. I assumed Okafor and his wife were in the same space when the decision was made. That’s the piece I was missing.

Bits of ceiling falling down, and she’s like “sit down”😭. They were in there cuddling while the support beams were on the verge of giving up, lmao. I love them so much.

Rick will disappear into a hallucination/dream QUICK!😂

We as the audience had the "opportunity" to see Rick have that level of crazy where he was talking on the phone. Michonne admits she was out there by herself talking to her dead ex-boyfriend. Mind you, she sure did have his dismembered body walking beside her the whole time. Michonne is a different level of crazy. I think we all don't realize how insane it is because she is rarely out there hallucinating...her level of crazy always seems calculated. But every time we think about the level of brutality Rick hits, Michonne is right there with him. And with Danai's revelation that that level of brutality may have been what made Michonne fall in love with Rick subconciously...it only gets worst. Chopping up termites...Michonne was with it. Adoringly watching Rick bite out a guys throat and disembowel another. the way she ran her sword through that man in the cabin in Season 3. Its always been kill mode for her. I just thought of it. When Rick goes crazy, he implodes in on himself and sort of gets weak. Think about Negan. Whereas, Michonne, when the trauma happens, is like "fuck all that noise...we still fighting." She said the Saviors outnumbered them like 10 to one...the Alexandrians weren't even close. But she was like, that don't change anything. We still fighting. that is a certain amount of crazy. Rick was like "I just wanna go home" in TOWL. And Michonne was like, "we got to blow this whole place up." lol

@@fizzychizzy And the way she ran Jessie's son through when he aimed that gun at Rick. I've been thinking about Michonne's unwillingness to back down after I recently watched the scene where Rick asked her to turn the guns over to Negan. I think I mentioned it in one of my episode reviews for TOWL (probably episode 4 or 5), but I really believe that Michonne's primary drive in the face of immense loss or being conquered (like by Negan) is preserving what she has (left). She was never supposed to come back from the loss of Andre and Mike's betrayal. She was supposed to stay a monster walking among monsters, talking to the corpse who turned her into a monster, into the walking dead. But then Andrea, and the prison, and that community, and Carl, Rick, Judith. That is a drive to preserve her humanity by holding on to the people who brought her back to herself (whether in big or small ways). The people who made her want to live instead of drift among hordes. That drive makes it so that no enemy is too big. Negan or the CRM could neva eva have enough people to make her accept losing her community, her people, her way of life, her humanity and reverting back to being the walking dead. TOWL showed us the only thing powerful enough to get her to accept defeat in preserving the life she never thought she'd have again is the love of her life resisting her long enough. Such an incredible character. I'm sooo happy we got TOWL where she didn't need to share screentime with a whole bunch of other characters.

I think the thing with Michonne is she's absolutely committed to fighting for a real life even if it means giving up her own for it. Rick is the same way it just takes him longer to get there because he's the main leader and still wants to protect his people.

That's true, she really is the behind the scena leader but she also stops him from going nuclear.

Absolutely! He found the person who could handle his type of crazy and so did she!!

Yup, she was terrifying when Rick still had his head in CRM mode and she made him decide as the building was collapsing.

How could I forget the bridge?! See, that’s what I mean. When the going gets tough, Rick levels up to do whatever needs done.

🤣 @ 🗣️🖕🏾them kids!

You are absolutely right! lol. Rick is a savage, a warrior, a sweet, kind human, but definitely insane!

He went from pulling her into making out in a warehouse to what we had is broken. She needed answers!😂

@@altasoyster Or moaning in her ear on a forest floor to telling her it's over. lol

He is the one the Fremen prophecy was made up but the Bene Gesserit prophecy about the Kwisatz Haderach is real a powerful enough mind to see through space and time which he can do. It was not meant to be him tho he was meant to be a daughter and was to be married to Feyd but his mother wanted to give his father an heir so she had a boy but everything else lines up

@@daquaviousbingleton9763 he's A Kwisatz Haderach but not THE Kwisatz Haderach.

@@bambina5604 Then using that logic the original prophecy is wrong? As they said the KH would be a single mind not a line of them starting with Paul, Paul defied the prophecy and is exactly what the prophecy described he’s just not the person they thought it would be 🤷‍♂️

@@daquaviousbingleton9763 his sister and his son will have similar abilities and Paul changes in the second book which was written because people misunderstood the first one

@@bambina5604 He doesn't change as such but renounces his Holiness which means he did it all for nothing

"They literally tell you" I don't know if you've ever heard this, but when screenwriters (especially) rely on telling over showing, it's an information dump and not an effective way to write a movie. All their telling in Part One was not effective. That's why I summarized Part One as setup. Setup that did nothing to get me invested in their lead or the world.

@@altasoyster Its not an information dump if its only TWO OR THREE LINES IN A 2HR MOVIE. duke leto tells paul 'the great houses look to us for wisdom and the emperor by taking arrakis from the harkonenns and giving it to us, sets a stage for a war' and the barron says ' when is a gift not a gift? the atreides voice is rising and the emperor is a jealous man" and liet kines and lady jessica in a one minute scene simply say the aftermath of finding out what the emperor has done will lead to war. these two lines are how I got my information on the two things you said you didn't get in the first movie. For a book that has a lot of explaining done, denis managed to convey that information in two different lines in a movie that's over 2hrs. that's not an info dump in my opinion. agree to disagree. everything else such as the literal attack and much else is SHOWN to you. I didn't disagree with you on the fact that part one was a set up, that's why its called part one, it set up the world, its characters and the early parts of the story, and it doesn't matter to me if you were interested or you liked it. tastes and opinions differ. I simply let you know in my comment that the questions you said weren't answered in the first one actually were, and i gave you proof of that.

@@bellesvideos9578 The CAPSLOCK definitely sells that it doesn't matter to you if I'm interested in or like the movie. I still stand by what I said, because even with those lines (in case you didn't see it, I looked down at my computer during my review of Part One, because...I took notes), the Atreides' importance did not translate. It could have been done better. That's probably a blasphemous statement to you considering you seemingly got everything you needed out of Part One (this must be why you're coming with so much heat. I saw it in your first comment even before you deployed the capslock). It's not lost on me that the overarching point of my review of Part One is that I didn't connect with it, because I don't think they did a good enough job, and you chose to jump into the fray by explaining something you think I got wrong as if...what? Pointing out the exposition was going to make me change my mind? And if you didn't think it would change my sentiment on the movie, are you then typing just to type?

@@altasoyster I apologize if my comment is giving the wrong idea as to where I'm coming from. the CAPSLOCK is selling my emphasis on a point I'm trying to make. same with my first comment. Like I said, the point of my comment was to point out the fact that questions you said weren't answered in the first actually were. Your connection to the story or lack thereof in this case and your disapproval with how the story was told really doesn't matter to me. I never said you should like the story, or how its told. Like I said opinions differ. You said something wasn't there, I simply responded that it was and showed you were. (that's literally my entire first comment.There is no statement there alluding to me shitting on your opinion at all) it may or may not change your opinion or feelings on the story but that's not my business. it was a simple correction on your statement. and the second was my own opinion on your take on what an exposition dump is. that's why I used the words 'in my opinion'

@@altasoyster and what movies have you written/directed/filmed/produced that give you the authority to tell Villeneuve how to make an effective movie?

Do you think Paul in Part Two is aware he’s using them as canon fodder? I’m genuinely asking. Because part of what I was getting at when I said he’s not engaging is there was no complexity in Timothée’s eyes in the scenes prior to the poison ingestion. Paul was content to just follow the Fremen around, deny what his mom wants for him, and maybe eventually get revenge for his dad. He didn’t wrestle with possibly using the Fremen, which is why Post Poison Paul feels like a light switch to me and comes off more like he’s possessed. I still place it in the colonizer fantasy category, because not only is Paul using the Fremen as cannon fodder but so is the author/writer. My definition of colonizer fantasy is one where the outsider/Great White Hope shows up to lead/free/save the native population, and the native population is shown as being completely hopelessly were it not for this outsider (like the first Avatar). A colonizer’s greatest fantasy is that the colonized will forgive their transgression (by seeing them as “different”), value the colonizer’s knowledge/way above their own, and ultimately not rise up/fight back. The Fremen were fighting back, and then here came Paul. Because what use is a warning about charismatic leaders to the oppressed? Especially within the story? And Paul has more than charisma on his side. He has religion with real supernatural powers plus military weapons, and a whole government on his side. That doesn’t mean I think the lesson of the book and story is useless. I’m sure it has and will benefit people and make them realize things they hadn’t about charismatic leaders. I’m saying the story ultimately values the Fremen as much as Paul does, which is not at all. We could’ve had both. Maybe I’m jumping the gun and Chani will gather a bunch of Fremen we haven’t seen yet to at the very least force the Fremen following Paul to separate from him. But so far she’s the only dissenting voice, and they haven’t started showing this as disastrous for the Fremen yet, only portraying them as silly for believing in the Messiah. Thanks for the quote from the author. Now I have even more thoughts, lol. Thanks for telling me there’ll be a Part 3. I just looked it up and confirmed. I’m curious about how I’ll view the whole story once we have all the parts.

@@altasoysterthank you so much for the well thought-out and long response. Will try my best to answer Paul is absolutely aware of what he is doing the moment he drinks the water of life and becomes prescient. He doesn’t just see the future, he sees all possible futures and still choses one that will lead the Fremen to ruin for his own gain. He basically loses himself in that moment, ceasing to be just the 15/16 year old he was, and becomes something more than human, and certainly not a good thing. His humanity is basically lost when he does this. Humans aren’t designed to be able to essentially have the minds of a God. He is the villain of the story because he is presented with these choices and possibilities but still proceeds down a path of revenge as that is what will best suit him and his own ends. I’d argue Dune is a critique of the White Saviour trope, and I believe it was intended to be one. Paul is anything but the saviour of the Fremen. The religious fundamentalists think he is, but again, this religion is not native to the Fremen, itself is a colonialist project by the Bene Gesserit. It’s meant to show why people don’t need “saviours” like Paul to save them because ultimately people like that will always be self interested and can’t fully understand what it is like to be Fremen, in this case. If Dune were a coloniser fantasy surely it would have Paul as the noble hero outsider who learns the way of the Fremen to lead them to victory, and that would be where it ends. But it doesn’t and that isn’t even the story. I think its important to keep in mind that the religion is meant to be and is very clearly described in the text as being artificial. Paul is basically the result of a failed eugenics program by the Bene Gesserit to assert their absolute control over the Empire. He is not even meant to be the chosen one, his mother was told to bear only daughters. The book does explain this better but Paul was meant to be a girl, marry Feyd-Rautha and their child was meant to be who the Bene Gesserit sought to install on the Throne and control. So he’s not even the actual chosen one. He’s basically a mistake. I think the warning about charismatic leaders is just a general one, not for solely oppressed peoples. I think there is an argument to made though that desperate people often turn to less than ideal figures to lead them, especially religious ones. A good example would be the Iranian revolution against the Shah. Also Chani being a voice of reason is, I think, an excellent change from the book to help better convey these themes which seem to go over a lot of peoples heads. The original 1984 movie basically does make Paul a Messiah who can literally call rain to make Arrakis green and thats how it ends lol, which is why so many dislike that movie. In the book Chani is totally devoted and a strong believer. This change gives her more agency also which is a good change. I really don’t want to spoil the rest of the series for you as they (at least Dune Messiah) will be made into movies but I will just say that Paul is definitely not the hero of the story. I see the tale as a tragedy like I said.

@@sheepsky Thanks for not spoiling it. I totally agree and mentioned in my review of Part Two that it's understandable why a group of people who are constantly suffering, constantly under attack and under threat of being wiped out would believe there's a higher power rooting for them. Even better if that higher power actually shows up! I'll see how Part Three plays out.

I didn’t read the books, but I’ve seen people who did say the story is a warning against charismatic leaders (AKA Paul. See the comment below). Do you agree with that? My biggest problem is I don’t find Paul charismatic in the first place.

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@@altasoyster ​⁠​⁠ It doesn’t matter that you don’t think Paul is charismatic. What matters to the story is that the Fremen find Paul to be charismatic. A charismatic leader doesn’t mean “charming appeal” as it’s often applied to Hollywood celebrities. Paul as a leader has what is called *charismatic authority* by sociologists. According to Max Weber (a sociologist and historian who was one of the early founders of modern-day sociology), charisma in his profession’s definition means _“a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which he is set apart from ordinary men and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities.”_ Furthermore, these things _“are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as of divine origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader. . .”_ That is the distinction. Paul may not have personal charm in your eyes, but he does have special abilities he learned from his mother as well as genetic advantages he inherited from the Bene Gesserit breeding program. Add his abilities and genetic heritage to the Fremen superstitious belief in a messiah (Lisan al Gaib) and Paul appears godlike to Fremen eyes. It’s not about his personality and whether it’s likable or not. It’s about his rare abilities which make him seem ideal for leadership to susceptible people. And it helps that his mother used her manipulative powers to steer the Fremen to that conclusion.

@@altasoysterPaul is respectful a great warrior and intelligent if you wanted another word than Charismatic it would the dangers of zealously following a great person