mcfc 36 million in debit payable s. erling bought for 51m sell price now 200m who said 500m in debt loooooool

However, City's transfer debt shot up £68m from £136m to £204m, which is their highest ever. Of this, £139m needs to be paid within the next 12 months. On the other hand, City are owed £168m by other clubs, so their net payables are only £36m.19 Nov 2023

This is the most vexing episode ever. Harry in particular does not understand the situation at all. Too many ill informed opinion points. Also If you don’t know what a word means means don’t use it. Si shut up about sport washing FFS. You sound like a Man U podcast. What is sports washing, utter bollocks.

We were told you can’t buy success by the clubs who have bought success. When we started winning trophies we were told we’ve bought success and we are cheats 😳🙄

Just to let you know MCFC are still debt free BUT the city football group are in debt but as a football club we are debt free. Please discuss facts that you have researched are know is true. This APT case city started in February and its not the whole APT they are challenging its just the amendment and the voting system. The amendment was brought in november but all clubs voted against it as they wanted the directors to take fall in the amended APT if proven. you can look it up so they went away changed it and brought it back in February when 6 clubs voted against it and 2 abstained

It's so blatantly anti competitive you can't help but think it's a conspiracy

As well as increasing revenue from associated parties, I recently found out that city also reduce their costs by employing a lot of the backroom staff in their parent company (e.g. their entire scouting/recruitment department) so as to remove them from the PSR calculations. As an example, the report I read showed that Man City (the football club, not their parent company) had half as many employees as Man Utd. Along with Chelsea selling hotels to themselves, etc, it's clearly just one big sham that a select few clubs can get away with.

European Super League incoming. Definitely. This WILL happen. Clubs will branch off to form their own league and have full control over what they can spend. And yes, I know Newcastle wouldn't have been involved in this a few years ago, but Saudi will not sit back and watch Newcastle miss out on the Super League regardless of if we aren't classed as one of the 'big 6' from England yet.

The rule is actually called "The Newcastle United Amanment Rule" which was stated by PL & it's the elitist clubs did want to lose they control & our board & owners are proper business people & understand all this & have told us we are ĥere for the long game

United 600 million in debt done for cheating no points deducted nobody talking about it 😢😢😢😢

Never get why people don't mention Chelsea's shirt sponsor Infitine Athlete? Aka literally a company they set up months prior to anoucnign the deal & is owned by the same guys...a company that literally does nothing.

FFP but more so PSR were brought in so smaller clubs (some having illustrious histories) wouldn't go under because their owners were dreadful & mismanaged or, more often, couldn't keep up with the rest ! I understand that but, the emphasis should be on SUSTAINABILITY . However, like everything, the grey suits with the power have gone too far & I have an idea how to solve this but, I think, it involves commonsense. If they allow all teams in the PL to spend up to £500m per season &, whatever they do spend they have to pay a contribution of 10% , this pot of money should not be subject to tax or PL admin fees but filtered down to all the lower league clubs ! Obviously I've just picked those figures out because that's what both Chelsea and manure have spent in the recent past , it's subjective 🎉

I've got issues with the rules. We are the only ones playing by the rules! They're called profit and sustainability, yet man u spend 3-400 million a year with a billion in debt, Chelsea sell hotels to themselves and Liverpool have sponsors that are part of a terrorist organisation. How is any of that remotely sustainable? I'm proud we are doing things the right way, but if it means we get kneecapped, stuff your pathetic rules!

city not doing this for themselves doing it for all clubs too dream

If city wins does that open the doors for Newcastle united???

It means nothing

Quite a lot of waffle here but I agree the rules are bullshit.

CARTEL CARTEL

Come on harry with that statement about Newcastle not joining the protest...i bet your one of them in the pub who has that condition Getingaroundinafobia..😂🍺

You and all the CLUBS being held back need to keep banging on about THE CARTEL .. Those gits talked most clubs to gobalong with them and they don't give a shit about those clubs.... cartel needs to be the buzz word throwout the league

City supporter here is that correct that Adam has just said that city are half a billion in debt ....iv never heard of that ...news to me ..🤔

No Newcastle fan should be supporting Man City in this matter. They have cheated and lied from day one of their take over and yes the so called top six have tried to block our take over and restrict us but in time with proper investment we can start to challenge. However not let’s support the destruction of the integrity of football just for our own gratification. We need a healthy league where smaller clubs can challenge and grow and yes PSI needs adjusted but you can’t just have a free for all.

If its all about stopping these things happening again such as leicster winni g the league what the point in watching every season

The restrictions on sponsorships are ridiculous. They are extremely anti-competitive, and i hope City win. These stupid rules are hobbling any owners ability to grow their clubs. Banning owners from putting their clubs in loads of debt, you can make a decent argument for (although the PL dont seem to care about Man United's ludicrous debts), but thats not the case with the sponsorship stuff. If Sela want to sponsor us £300m a season, who cares as long as its not a bloody loan, as long as its not debt. Its the only way any team has a realistic chance of clawing back some ground on Liverpool and Man Ure etc.

13:35 What is he waffling. What debt do City have

Masters=devil

Arsenal can have izak for 300 million or fuck off 😂😂

Good podcast but sort of missed the point a bit - City are challenging the PL rules as unlawful - if they prove they’re unlawful it changes the whole 115 case due in November - it’s an aggressive move from city linked directly to the case later this year.

Isak Isak is best best striker in world

its all about protecting the elite clubs, blatantly obvious horribly run PL, good luck city

Project Big Picture shows certain clubs wantant need to have more power & unfair advantage. Its self serving protectionism.

The PIF is an investment fund, not a charity. They're more than happy to pump as much money into NUFC as they possibly can, but at some point they'll be wanting a return on their investment, not necessarily a financial return, god knows they have enough cash, but i do believe the return they're after is bragging rights as the best of the best. At some point they will flex, regardless of what Staveley or Eales or anyone else at the club say or want, and I don't mind them having a little poke at the boundaries, tbh, given what the likes of Chelsea are getting away with. We're never going to have any friends in football because of who our owners are, so we should just stop trying to be everyone's friend.

How the media say it’s going to be the Wild West for transfers but it’s just how it was before . Teams will only spend enough to win that money will be filtered around so there will be a natural limit

So, it strikes me that there’s this unworkable mash up of business and competitive sport. What we have is a situation where the compromise is unworkable, unfair and is neither one thing or the other!

Adam is a real master at taking difficult concepts and ideas, be it tactical or strategic, and explaining them for the rest of us to understand. By the way, can we sell Bruno to a Saudi club for £110m and then immediately buy him back for 50p?

The Premier League have had anti competitive rules for years. Restrictive Business Practices are against the law but the Premier League get away with it.

Great pod Si & all

ABN. Anyone But Newcastle.

I disagree with Harry. I will.never side with Man U or Liverpool. They are the biggest cheats in the game. I have always sided with city before their take over and since. I applauded Chelsea's rise to power and destroying Man U's totalitarian grip on football. When city came along I was delighted.

Great discussion and Adam is right ultimately (one of Si’s favourite words 😀) the owners may say they want what we want but ‘we’ don’t want £80 for a piece of recycled polyester no matter how good the design (no red numbers this season either which is an odd reversal)

So if anchoring comes in then surely it doesn't matter so much about 3rd party deals other than the fact we should always be able to match Man Utd Lpool Arsebal....not out spend them but match them. So effectively currently what they're saying is we don't want you having the same spending power.

Class analogy Adam

What PIF should do is an escrow account. Stick say 800million in for which Newcastle can use during a 3year period to cover the club for transfers/wages etc

This is a simple fix for Nufc and Villa, more allowable loss based on debt to revenue ratio, for example if your debt to revenue ratio is 0:100 you get 100% more allowable losses on top of what you are allowed to begin with.

I hope Citeh's legal bods perform better against the FA then the team did against manure Jon!

Id bet my left nut City contacted Newcastle and Keith Pattinson before they went ahead with this case and asked for any documentation or evidence they collected.

Great, level headed discussion here guys. Makes a bloody change on KZfaq 👍

Great point on how the media always make out we need to sell Bruno/Isak to meet PSR and not Miggy/Wilson/Longstaff. But then when it’s Chelsea the media say they need to sell Gallagher/Broja/Maatsen etc. and not their best players like Palmer or James. It’s blatantly a pressure tactic.

Are Leicester still sponsored by King power?

Why is it that none of this is exposed to anti-competition legislation?