I am torn between this shoe and the black Prio Neos...Have you found if these shoes (white) get too dirty? That is the only thing sort of stopping me from buying them. Thanks!
@leannasamuels27895 күн бұрын
Just ordered these in the black and blueberry . Excited to hit the road in these ⭐
@Ruinyourknees5 күн бұрын
New shoes are always fun!
@LoveSerah6 күн бұрын
in my humble opinion, only cloudmonster and the eclipse worth to wear for On brand, the rest are a bit too overhyped with less functions.
@Ruinyourknees5 күн бұрын
Thanks for this insight. On is somewhat trendy, so it's good to know what people think are the most functional.
@oceanhunterjg8 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video review! I am debating between these and the summit.
@SummitForWellness9 күн бұрын
I have the Mesa Trail II and both shoes blew out in the same areas on the uppers, so very interesting that it is common across multiple versions of their shoes. I actually reached out to them because they only had 221 miles on them and they are sending me a new pair, I guess they have a 24 month warranty on them or something like that!
@Ruinyourknees6 күн бұрын
Interesting, my Mesa Trail II has held up better than the Scrambler Low, but it's nice to see Xero Shoes has great customer service!
@desmation24 күн бұрын
On your next review, can you bend them a bit to show their flexibility? Thank you!
@Ruinyourknees23 күн бұрын
Here you go! :-) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jM6GlrGgsdeXXXk.htmlfeature=shared&t=29
@desmation23 күн бұрын
@@Ruinyourknees oh NICE THank you!
@Laotzu.GoldbugАй бұрын
What do you say the sizing is the same between them, and the Primal 3 just adds half sizes? Or is it a completely different size scale?
@RuinyourkneesАй бұрын
I'm not 100% sure. It appears like they added half sizes and the overall toe box width is comparable. I find these to be wider feeling than some of the other Lems models.
@TomMullenauxАй бұрын
How many miles did you get out of a pair?
@RuinyourkneesАй бұрын
I discuss this in the comments section under this comparison with the Mesa Trail II: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jM6GlrGgsdeXXXk.html . Since I track my dog instead of my shoes, it's hard to say exact miles. At least a few hundred, but they definitely wear faster than I would have expected. They've seen a good amount of bushwhacking, snow, and hard-packed gravel use. The uppers need work, the lugs seem soft (good grip, subpar durability), but the experience has been fun. I keep reaching for them.
@jimbeam4736Ай бұрын
Why are you so upset?
@kitcraft9516Ай бұрын
I made the mistake of thinking these were an upgrade to the Boulder Boot Waterproof and they aren't in any aspect except "grip". They have a ton of foam added to the midsole, like 7-8mm! Said foam crushes over a few weeks and creates a mold of your foot which leaves you standing on your arches! Totally the opposite reason I bought the originals. I shimmed the heal with dense eva until it was flat again and regulated them to chore boots. This one is a miss for me.
@RuinyourkneesАй бұрын
Oh, interesting. You had the Boulder Boot Waterproof too? We thought the grip was supposed to be the only change as well.
@kitcraft9516Ай бұрын
@@Ruinyourknees Yes and I prefer the minimal soles on the standard boulder boot, waterproof and mid over the grip and summit models (suumit is just a guess based off of the grips). I wish they'd have just added some lugs to the sole. I do want to add that I think only those who want that flat minimal feel will care or even notice. I have issues with my left lateral arch, so I notice. My wife doesn't seem to care. She notices a difference from the feel of her mids but says it doesn't bother her.
@RuinyourkneesАй бұрын
@@kitcraft9516 Thanks, this is helpful. They aren't as stylish/lifestyle (more traditional hiking look), but I wonder how you'd like the experience of Xero Shoes boot models ( xeroshoes.com/shop/product-category/boots-mens/ ). My mother actually picked up the Xcursion and really likes it. She has to be careful not to wear them too much, at least initially, because they really work her arches. I'm surprised at changes you mentioned in the Lems boots. Their Primal 3 upgrade from Primal 2 seems as expected, except maybe the cork insole.
@kitcraft9516Ай бұрын
@@Ruinyourknees Yeah, the Primal 3's are as excepted! I have a pair of Xero 360s that I use for lifting and I enjoy them. I'll have to check out the Xcusrion, thank you.
@CptAngelKGamingАй бұрын
Your videos are unfortunately too short. Also why are you filming vertically?
@RuinyourkneesАй бұрын
The video was short so we tried to make it taller.
@fregger742 ай бұрын
Hey, ty for the review! Any idea how they would work for playing basketball (a lot of jumping and changing directoon quickly)?
@Ruinyourknees2 ай бұрын
This is Brian... I've spent a lot of time experimenting with and testing barefoot shoes for hoops. Generally speaking, most of the shoes just aren't made for the lateral forces of basketball. Xero has a shoe called the 360 which says it is meant for court sports, but I don't think hoops is really the intention (we are testing a pair currently). I don't have the Forza myself and Hanna isn't a baller, but I think the toebox would have trouble with heavy lateral force...though one has to wonder if that strap would help. Might be worth trying on in person if you can. Here's an interesting thing: Xero Shoes built a custom basketball shoe for a Denver Nuggets player and he wore it in the playoffs! I spoke with John, who does product development for Xero, about the need for basketball shoes and it seems they are working on solutions. The KneesOverToes group has been working on a minimalist basketball shoe ( uncivilizedsneaker.com/ ), but it seems the uppers may not be dialed yet. As for me, I'm still playing in an old pair of New Balance Minimus 20v4s, but they are wearing out. Let me know if you find anything good!
@fregger742 ай бұрын
@@Ruinyourknees ty for the great response i'll let you know if i find something good :)
@Ruinyourknees2 ай бұрын
@@fregger74 Thanks! Basketball shoes tend to be overbuilt in my opinion and are ripe for disruption by models which promote better ground feel and letting the foot and ankle work through a bigger range of motion! I've been playing in very minimal shoes for 20 years and have never (knock on wood) had a major hoops injury. Guys at the gym are always making comments about me needing to get basketball shoes and yet they are the ones with knee and ankle braces. Thanks for the sub! Hoping to roll out some barefoot basketball reviews in the coming months. I might be able to get some early Xero models to try out.
@jt.81442 ай бұрын
May I suggest the Cloudsurfer 7. then maybe a Cloudmonster, 2, or even The Hyper.
@Ruinyourknees2 ай бұрын
You may, and you have! Is Cloudsurfer 7 your favorite?
@chrismichael11612 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. I have the Mesa Trails, was wondering about the Scramblers. Do you know approximately how many miles you have on the scramblers? They look quite worn out.
@Ruinyourknees2 ай бұрын
Good question. I've worn them for most runs (2-4x/week) for about 6 months on very rocky and steep terrain with lots of bushwhacking, snow, and mud. Unfortunately for you, I use Strava to track my dog Ruby as a pair of shoes instead of my shoes. Best guess: I've run at least a few hundred miles in them. The uppers are flawed as I pointed out and I'm starting to wear the lugs off of the forefoot too, but I've done a lot of 2000' descents on hard-packed, gravelly surfaces. It's funny though, I went for a big trail run yesterday (~15 miles, 4000' of climbing) and still opted for the Scramblers over any other shoe. They are just so fun to run in and grounded, but more built up than the Mesa Trail so there's less fatigue and less cherry-picking through those half-dollar sized rocks which can sting in Mesa Trail. The price is high for the durability, but the experience has been really fun. A tough call for sure.
@enrique71802 күн бұрын
@@Ruinyourknees Hopefully, Xero shoes improves the durability on the upper portion of the shoe. Thank you for the review.
@Ruinyourknees2 ай бұрын
Here's a quick video comparing the Scrambler Low to the Mesa Trail 2: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jM6GlrGgsdeXXXk.html
@chrisrobinson93322 ай бұрын
I have 2 pairs of Vivo,s now. They have a really wide toe box. Are these that wide or do you know if they are close.Thanks
@Ruinyourknees2 ай бұрын
Good question. I have a pair of Vivos on the way and will try to remember to make a comparison video as soon as they arrive. In the meantime, Xero Shoes are definitely wider than "mainstream" shoes I've used, but not excessively so. The Altras I've tried on seemed roomier than my Xero Shoes (too much so for my foot), but my Nike Terra Kigers seemed narrower than Xero Shoes, though still pretty wide. I equate Xero Shoes to something like a 2E if you were buying widths, maybe slightly larger.
@chrisrobinson93322 ай бұрын
@@Ruinyourknees awesome, thanks
@cbb30622 ай бұрын
Can someone who is used to regular 30mm stack shoes run 100km ultra with 6 weeks left to get used to the xero shoes? Or should i spend more time to adapt?
@Spidey_EthanАй бұрын
I’m almost certain you’d need more time to adapt. If your ultra is right around the corner, I’d run in what your use to first. That being said, everyone’s feet and how they run is a little different. Listen to your body.
@toddboucher33022 ай бұрын
How are they unlike gravel fire roads because I know somebody rather should just the Mesa Trail they’re great trail shows and I’m flying on the trails with them for any distance. It’s just on the fire roads. I gotta run more of those a little long I kind of bothers, cause it’s just constantly getting hit by rocks
@Ruinyourknees2 ай бұрын
If I understand what you are asking correctly: the Scramblers are much more forgiving that the Mesa Trail II when it comes to hard packed, gravelly terrain - especially when your running motion is repetitive (like on a long road vs random trail surface). After awhile, you will likely encounter more fatigue in these than a heavily cushioned shoe, but you can definitely be sloppier with your foot placement and not get punished. I love running in the Scramblers even though the uppers are fraying.
@an.20.243 ай бұрын
Have you tried the scrambler low? How do you compare to the Mesa trail?
@Ruinyourknees3 ай бұрын
I have! Here's a review after a few months of extensive use. Read the comments to see how I think it compares to the Mesa Trail... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mMdjjKSerq-cgHU.html
@jinxterx3 ай бұрын
Your dog's having loads of fun! :D
@Ruinyourknees3 ай бұрын
I didn't even want a dog, but she's now my most consistent trail buddy and likes me more than everyone who demanded we get a dog. Ha ha.
@cephandrius36793 ай бұрын
Do you think they would be okay for hiking in Italy during the summer? They seem to be breathable, so even if the temperature is a little bit too hot, they should still be okay, right? I am planning to go to the Alps in these, so I am not sure.
@Ruinyourknees3 ай бұрын
I've never been to Italy during the summer, but have run in these shoes during Colorado summers where the temperature exceeded 90F, they breathed well. You should be fine! If you want something which offers a little more protection underfoot, consider the Scrambler Low. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mMdjjKSerq-cgHU.html I think you'd find them to be very capable for hiking and travel. The uppers would be warmer though, and dry slower.
@cephandrius36793 ай бұрын
@@Ruinyourknees Okay, thank you! I think Mesa II should work for me then 👍
@Ruinyourknees3 ай бұрын
@@cephandrius3679 Enjoy the new shoes.
@E.T.Persson3 ай бұрын
✌🏼👽☮❤
@fraac3 ай бұрын
How do they compare to the Mesa Trail?
@Ruinyourknees3 ай бұрын
I'm planning to make a video comparing the two asap. The Mesa Trail II is more minimal in the upper and the sole. I definitely feel the ground more in the Mesa Trail and the legs get more worked in them. They also aren't great for snow. Scramblers are more built up. I find the uppers to be quite padded/plush and the soles are more forgiving on rocky terrain with golf ball sized rocks. In my mind, this makes the Scrambler a good candidate for longer distances and the Mesa Trail better for shorter distances. They both have a nice generalist grip with the Scrambler being extra fun with the Michelin tread. So the Scrambler is more built up and protective, the Mesa Trail is more lean and minimal. The Scrambler is a small SUV, the Mesa Trail is a race car.
@an.20.243 ай бұрын
"and the soles are more forgiving on rocky terrain with golf ball sized rocks." Would you still consider them minimalist shoes? Can you still feel the ground with them? I'm currently wearing the Lone Peak from Altra on trails, which I belive are way more padded than the Scarmbler, or any Xero shoe actually. For an everyday walk on the street, I use the Xero Prio, and I love the fact that thy're basically a sock with a thin sole.
@Ruinyourknees3 ай бұрын
@@an.20.24 "Would you still consider them minimalist shoes?" A good question. They are zero drop and feel very grounded. I consider them minimalist in their philosophy of letting foot and lower leg mechanics work in full, combined with the zero drop and firm sole. However, they are not minimalist in the sense of Five Fingers or even Mesa Trail II. I don't feel the ground as acutely as with those shoes which let the wearer notice all the small details (sand, pine needles, hard pack, mossy, etc.) - there's less picking one's way through terrain. In essence, I can be lazier in Scramblers and they take less of a toll as the miles start to add up. In my mind, these would be intriguing minimalist long distance shoes, but may leave you wanting if you want intensive shorter training sessions. The soles really are great for scrambling and managing all of those rocks which tend to sting in leaner shoes. The uppers are thicker and a bit slushy on the Scramblers. In the winter, I appreciated the extra insulation but in the summer I'd be happy with something thinner like the Mesa Trail II. Finally, the Scrambler could make a nice hiking shoe, and I imagine the high top version could be nice in places where the vegetation wants to shred ankles. Hope this is useful. They are a fun shoe, something in between full minimalist and leaner trail running shoes.
@Ruinyourknees2 ай бұрын
Here's a quick video comparison of the Scrambler Low and Mesa Trail 2: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jM6GlrGgsdeXXXk.html
@JoaoRodrigues_photo3 ай бұрын
Hey! I find the same problem with my pair! They are very confortable and I love the sole. But the upper matterial is a shame for the price that these shoes cost Great review
@Ruinyourknees3 ай бұрын
Ah, that's too bad! I really like the shoes and if I ever tried an ultra in a minimalist shoe, this would be it. I ran mine through a lot of rough terrain this winter, and was wondering if the issue was just with me. The upper material needs some work. This doesn't happen to the Mesa Trail II shoes. Thanks for the comment and happy trails!
@Pablito464 ай бұрын
Do you think the mesa trail 2 is ok for just walking around town? I want to use it as an all purpose shoe. Nice video!
@Ruinyourknees4 ай бұрын
Definitely. Most Lems shoes are good generalist shoes. I wear the Mesa Trail around town all the time and they've held up quite well. I view their shoes as versatile shoes more suited to town than trail, but capable on both.
@Pablito464 ай бұрын
@@Ruinyourknees Thanks for the reply! I have a pair on the way.
@Ruinyourknees4 ай бұрын
@@Pablito46 Enjoy!
@glennsak5 ай бұрын
Great comparison! Just what I was looking for.
@ibnsabeel94666 ай бұрын
You didn't turn the shoe over and talk about the outer soles. Wouldn't you agree that that's an important talking point?
@jamesblaser53296 ай бұрын
Excellent shoes I feel a brilliant all rounder shoe and I don't wear socks
@mariemeinworld94486 ай бұрын
Hi how have the shoes held on, do you recommend them for long-term use? (I'm thinking of buying these but I'm quite poor so I need shoes that will last if they come with such a price ahah)
@whitey43116 ай бұрын
I can see the side splitting toward the outside toe area. Other users mentioned this which is how I noticed yours splitting as well. How bad is it?
@crystalc42187 ай бұрын
Great review. Thanks.
@Ruinyourknees7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words!
@kennethwilson86338 ай бұрын
Trees were too close together…Nice first time …Have fun stay safe.
@Ruinyourknees8 ай бұрын
Ah, good to know! Best ones we found in that clump.
@neil.m.m9 ай бұрын
Which do you suspect would be best for or disc golf? I've tried primus trail II FG and the xero forza. I wanted to try the forza b/c of the added lateral support and since disc golf has a lateral run-up to the throw with a hard lateral stop, but the forza don't have good enough grip when there's moisture and thorns pierce the sole, so I've had to stick to my primus trail II FG. The primus trail II FG have good enough traction and surprisingly haven't been too mushy on the lateral movement, but after playing disc golf for many hours in a row and standing around and hiking through rocky terrain, it's made me consider trying the Lems primal pursuit since it seems to have good traction, reinforced upper toe area (disc golf throw often results in a toe drag), and the added cushion and sole thickness sounds appealing for the longer sessions and rough terrain.
@Ruinyourknees9 ай бұрын
The Primal Pursuit is durable, but it doesn't feel locked down to the ground like a Xero Shoe does. I think you'd be a candidate for instability on hard lateral stops because they feel tall and stiff. So an ankle roll could be in the cards for certain people. I believe the Pursuit is hardy and a good general purpose shoe, but it's not a performance shoe. Personally, I've got my eye on the Scrambler Low from Xero Shoes and wonder if that might work for your purposes: xeroshoes.com/shop/shoes/scrambler-low-men/
@radixreuel76319 ай бұрын
I heard that U need to size down.
@toddboucher33029 ай бұрын
That’s interesting because I bought a 10 1/2 in both now. The dub version one I had when they very first came out with it was the earliest one and it was tight. I used it for a little bit and then I ended up trying to sell it um I guess as my foot grew it got worse I just bought the the two same thing a 10 1/2 and that’s big I’m actually trying to see if I’m going to either sell it or maybe try to put one of those heel bumpers in the back that would cut down on the room home so I I guess on the new sizing, I would need a tan and on the old sizing I would need 11 and I don’t know, interesting though yeah seems like yours were the exact same side both of them and on but I think that’s the only difference is that they are sizing a young company takes a little while I guess to get that lockdown
@christianwilson57939 ай бұрын
So no go for Obstacle Course racing?
@audreypots9 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you for sharing. Can you comment on how are these for road/pavement?
@Doorgunner509 ай бұрын
These are my favorite shoes I've ever owned. Wore my first pair out and just ordered another. Hiking, trail and road running and property maintenance work. Landscaping, roofing etc. So light and flexible yet just enough protection. I wont wear heavy clunky shoes anymore.
@Ruinyourknees9 ай бұрын
They just work!
@bluefirephoenix34710 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. Do you find that they offer more toe room than the Trailhead since they have a knit upper? Thanks.
@Ruinyourknees10 ай бұрын
I'd say the toe room is comparable or maybe a bit narrower than the trailhead v2.
@bluefirephoenix34710 ай бұрын
@@Ruinyourknees thank you!
@robertsoliz682111 ай бұрын
Hows the traction on wet or slippery surfaces compared to other trail shoes?
@Ruinyourknees11 ай бұрын
I think it's fair to think of these as good all around training shoes which will do a respectable job at many tasks, including handling some wet terrain. I wouldn't trust my life to them on wet rocks or roots, but they have some grip and do especially well when the terrain is just a bit damp/tacky. They also shed mud pretty well since the lugs aren't too aggressive. Being flat to the ground does help. So, I'd say they are average at handling wet surfaces, not great. They're not really meant for any serious weather conditions though they did well in the lights snow and mud towards the end of the video.
@elgenkua127011 ай бұрын
Would the mesa or the primal pursuit be suitable for playing basketball ?
@magalei77 Жыл бұрын
Great video! The many points and comparisons in review of the shoes, in a short time, is the best guide I’ve found so far. Thanks!
@robertsparks7244 Жыл бұрын
Have xero shoes looking at Lems for next pair. If I can figure out my size
@Ruinyourknees Жыл бұрын
Lems is definitely not minimalistic like Xero Shoes, unless you go with the Primal 2. They are durable, zero or low drop lifestyle shoes. Here's a round up on 10 of the best: 10shoe.com/list/best-lems-shoes/ I enjoy them and wear them quite a bit, but Xero is much more "barefoot" style.
@fraconadventure1885 Жыл бұрын
How many kilometers does that shoe have?
@Ruinyourknees Жыл бұрын
No sure if you are referring to the old version or the new. I don't pay much attention to distance on shoes. The old one (green) probably has 200-300k and the new maybe had 60k-100k at the time of the video. Sorry, rough estimates!
@aran3723 Жыл бұрын
Water resist?
@Ruinyourknees Жыл бұрын
Not really. There is a little laminate around the bottom of the foot which would keep a little water out, but the uppers are very think and breathable. Water would flood right in. However, if you live in a hot or dry climate, the shoes would dry fairly quickly after water crossings.
@Ty91681 Жыл бұрын
For anyone comfused like me, lems only designs their shoes in the usa. Theyre assembled in China.
@Ruinyourknees Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Reminds me of this podcast where the Xero Shoes founder describes how hard the process of getting shoes manufactured is: xeroshoes.com/press/how-i-built-this-podcast/
@tarzaan2603 Жыл бұрын
Their sandals are shit and most of their shoes are super ugly. These trail mesa shoes look awesome and actually last which is good, but unfortunately for me rhey were just too narrow, my feet are WIDE
@nicolasm400 Жыл бұрын
Hi! I already have the Mesa Trail 1 at 10,5 US size, but they feel a little too tight, I have to take out the insole for my toes to feel comfortable. I consider ordering the new Born to Run version of the Mesa Trail II, but I'm not sure if it would be better to size up at 11, or stay at 10,5. If I understood, you felt the Mesa Trail 2 is bigger in size compared to the first one?
@Ruinyourknees Жыл бұрын
Hi! I don't have the Born to Run version, but the Mesa Trail 2 definitely felt a little roomier in the toe box to me. Just a bit though... a little more play. It may have more to do with that toe guard material being different vs an actual volume change - not sure.
@mtbin2 Жыл бұрын
So just received these from Lems. They are advertised as zero drop and are definitely not zero drop. The front of the shoe is def thinner and more flexible than the back. You can clearly see the show is thinner toward the front. I could feel it too with the 1st few steps as all I wear is drop. Not sure how they are calling these zero drop.
@Ruinyourknees Жыл бұрын
The Trailhead and Primal Pursuit definitely don't have the same zero-drop experience as Xero Shoes or even the Lems Primal 2. It's hard for me to gauge if there is a drop on mine, but they aren't responsive like many other barefoot shoes. I do enjoy wearing them around for "all purpose" lifestyle outings but don't think they will give the same benefits as more minimal options on the market.
@mtbin2 Жыл бұрын
@@Ruinyourknees thanks for reply. I have an email in to Lems. Let’s see how they reply. My big thing is they shouldn’t advertise them as zero drop when they def aren’t.
@Ruinyourknees Жыл бұрын
@@mtbin2 Please let me know what you discover! They have good customer support in my experience.