My Personal Electronics Lab
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6 жыл бұрын
Amplifier Theory
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7 жыл бұрын
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@stevenbliss989
@stevenbliss989 11 күн бұрын
An inverting loop made so by the mosfet inverting to positive input, your are BEGGING for oscillation, no matter the mosfet C!!!!!!!! ....SERIOSULY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@stevenbliss989
@stevenbliss989 11 күн бұрын
Wow, the 100k will be dissipating 6.4Watts when the voltage is set to 0V output!
@SmithKerona
@SmithKerona 8 күн бұрын
That is incorrect! The DC bus that the 100k resistor is connected to can at best go to 200V. At that voltage, if the output is set to 0V, the 100k resistor will only dissipate 0.4 watts. And that is the worst case scenario. Now if you have watched the whole video I do mention that when I build the 800V supply, all the components need to be selected appropriately.
@SmithKerona
@SmithKerona 8 күн бұрын
But for the purpose of this video and this particular circuit, the 100K resistor is more than adequate.
@stevenbliss989
@stevenbliss989 8 күн бұрын
@@SmithKerona Ooops, my maths is a little off :) ...I get into such things because I have a pet peeve about wasted power, so my emotions got the better of me! Btw, I design electronics stuff , sometimes power supply, and it is almost always hybrid tracking, because I like clean power, but hate power waste. :)
@stevenbliss989
@stevenbliss989 8 күн бұрын
@@SmithKerona Yep! :)
@stevenbliss989
@stevenbliss989 11 күн бұрын
No over temp (high risk in this), no over current or short circuit protection. You might find what useful what a KZfaq channel "FesZ Electronics" did. :)
@rodrigotudancafernandez17
@rodrigotudancafernandez17 11 күн бұрын
Omg you are a madman
@AstroSam66
@AstroSam66 19 күн бұрын
Well, it is now 3 years later... sadly there is no more video about your work on the amp. So i save my time and do not have a look at the 2nd part.
@AnalogDude_
@AnalogDude_ 21 күн бұрын
I made a similar circuit, used Fallstad simulator, i adjusted the circuit to deliver 1 amp @ 1around 9 V.p.p. swing from a 2 x 15 V transformer, so 2 x 19.6 V. Using BD137, BD140, it follows the input voltage perfectly, pcb made, on it's way. wonder how it sounds, also included 2 pole Sallen Key filter. How much watts would that be would your recon? P = U x I, states like 19 ,6 watts, right or wrong?
@theoryandapplication7197
@theoryandapplication7197 Ай бұрын
thank you very much
@21thTek
@21thTek Ай бұрын
Magnifico, grandioso !! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
@timcsq
@timcsq Ай бұрын
This is excellent! Where is the rest of the videos?
@thecheapaudioengineer
@thecheapaudioengineer Ай бұрын
Op amp drive huh🙃
@2000nurek
@2000nurek Ай бұрын
just found this, its v good. any follow up?
@karlmartell9279
@karlmartell9279 2 ай бұрын
Very well executed and thoroughly tested with great effort, I am very impressed! I am just wondering why the op-amps are functioning correctly, as they are controlled by two potentials: 15V from the power supply and at the sensor input from the output potential 0-150V. I did not know that this was possible at all. Or is it a special function of this type of op-amp? I assume that both potentials are referenced to ground, is that correct?
@user-jp4lr6lv1l
@user-jp4lr6lv1l 2 ай бұрын
Hi.a question what is difference between video and audio amplifier pls answer me if you know
@SmithKerona
@SmithKerona 2 ай бұрын
Video amplifier typically is a wideband amplifier which means it is able to amplify signals with frequencies from few hertzs to hundreds of megahertzs. While an audio amplifier is meant to amplify signals from few hertzs to hundreds of kilohertzs.
@SmithKerona
@SmithKerona 2 ай бұрын
For example NE592 is a typical video amplifier while LM386 is an audio amplifier. Take a look at their datasheets to learn the difference between video amplifier and audio amplifier.
@sixtovazquez5105
@sixtovazquez5105 2 ай бұрын
I wanna have your bench 😢 goddamn with your set up. At my pace , it would take me prob 10years to have those goodies. Thank you for the vid, I will copy it and test a few things. I can't believe I understand everything, I'm amazed at myself.
@colin55111
@colin55111 2 ай бұрын
The output capacitor should be at least 10 times larger than the input capacitor because the current through the output stage will be at least 10 times greater. This is the most basic LAW of designing a circuit.
@colin55111
@colin55111 2 ай бұрын
What a load of RUBBISH. The output of the PNP emitter-follower can never have a swing of 10v because it simply follows the capability of the collector of the first transistor ( plus and minus the developed voltage across the 100n). It is no wonder Indian students don't have a clue about designing circuits when the teacher does not have a clue. For a start, you don't use 100n on the input and 100n on the output because the output has a much lower impedance than the input and the capacitor has to reflect this. The output capacitor should be 10u. The minimum output voltage will be the voltage across RE1, plus 0.3v plus 0.7v for transistor 2, minus the developed voltage across the output 100n capacitor. You can't work anything out until you have the value of the output load resistor. See my website as I have been teaching electronics to 25,000,000 visitors for 50 years at talkingelectronics.com
@colin55111
@colin55111 3 ай бұрын
Where do you get 2k headphones from? Have you been living in a cave?
@oakspines7171
@oakspines7171 4 ай бұрын
Very nice. Thanks.
@xaytana
@xaytana 5 ай бұрын
I have a question when it comes to the inductance value of the load. What if you're designing a general purpose audio amplifier rather than pairing it to a specific driver of known parameters? Y'know, what a lot of car audio amplifiers are, what a lot of unpowered bookshelf speaker amplifiers are, what a lot of the DIY enclosures use, etc. Is there a good inductance value to use for this? Do you just pick a generalized range for inductance, such as if I'm looking at an amp for car audio subwoofers where the driver Le (the notation for inductance in T/S parameters) is commonly around 6.5mH at the high end with a handful of outliers being within the 8.5+mH range, just from glancing at some databases, would it be fair to just use Zl=Rl*1e-2 and just have the extra overhead for versatility? In the example of anything but car audio subwoofers, I know drivers are typically <<1mH, again from glancing at the same database, so would a general purpose amp just use Zl=Rl*1e-3 for the typical upper end with ample overhead?
@thatampguy
@thatampguy 5 ай бұрын
Great job!
@lightshine6044
@lightshine6044 5 ай бұрын
Out of my own curiosity, regarding Ideal #61-484, when you are in diode mode, and there is a short, does it make a beep noise like Fluke 87V? I am talking about when it is in diode mode. NOT in Continuity Mode with noise. Thanks.
@colin55111
@colin55111 6 ай бұрын
If you make the ratio of the collector resistor to the emitter resistor 4 to 1 you will have a gain of 4. If you make the collector resistor 10k you will get a current of 1 mA. But. The emitter resistor will have to be 2k5 and the collector current will be less than 1mA. So you have to reduce the collector resistance.
@colin55111
@colin55111 6 ай бұрын
Here is what the instructor should say. We have to know how powerful the input signal is. Suppose it is 2 volts with a current capability of one tenth of a milliamp.
@colin55111
@colin55111 6 ай бұрын
Why does the base-bias bleed have to be much higher than the base current? All you are doing is attenuating the input signal. None of this is described or mentioned and the students are just sitting in a daze.
@colin55111
@colin55111 6 ай бұрын
None of the students have a clue
@colin55111
@colin55111 6 ай бұрын
Why would you add an emitter follower stage to increase the current from 1 mA to 2mA ??? I would climb out of this class as fast as possible.
@colin55111
@colin55111 6 ай бұрын
The whole idea of an amplifier is to increase the current and the impedance of the circuit decreases as you move from input to output. It is total ignorance to specify. 100n at the input and 100n at the output.. You are not teaching your students anything. Just a very poor instructor who needs paperwork to back his presentation.
@colin55111
@colin55111 6 ай бұрын
What he should say is this: The output impedance of the headphones is say 16 ohms and the gain of the emitter follower circuit is say 100. This mean the first stage sees the headphones as 1600 ohms.
@colin55111
@colin55111 6 ай бұрын
I don’t like the way he says the first stage see a much reduced load due to the emitter follower stage.
@colin55111
@colin55111 6 ай бұрын
Where did you dream up the impedance of any type of modern headphone is 2k ?????? It might be from 8R to 32R
@misterbonzoid5623
@misterbonzoid5623 6 ай бұрын
Your dome is pushed-in. Not serious about the business.
@SpinStar1956
@SpinStar1956 7 ай бұрын
Are you ever going to finish the 25W audio amp design? I has been 4 years since this was started and 3 years since you said you would restart/complete this series. Really appreciate this series but just looks like we'll never see it completed... 😒
@rumaisaidrees2391
@rumaisaidrees2391 7 ай бұрын
which sensor you have used for feedback ?
@thiagoennes
@thiagoennes 7 ай бұрын
nice!!!!
@adrianoscarlarrauri705
@adrianoscarlarrauri705 8 ай бұрын
EXCELENTE VIDEO
@user-zj1zk7nu2c
@user-zj1zk7nu2c 8 ай бұрын
I wish electronics was taught like this in college. Info is easier to absorb because of an objective which is to design.
@glp_gibraltargaming9828
@glp_gibraltargaming9828 8 ай бұрын
no part 3? 😢
@polarjsapkota2484
@polarjsapkota2484 8 ай бұрын
It's beautiful
@pabloezequieldominguez6954
@pabloezequieldominguez6954 8 ай бұрын
Man this is unbelievable, thanks for the video
@sametkarakoyunlu8835
@sametkarakoyunlu8835 9 ай бұрын
Hİ, which are you using books ?
@fixfaxerify
@fixfaxerify 9 ай бұрын
Cool idea! Did you try it with only local feedback for the op amp?
@noneofyerbeeswax8194
@noneofyerbeeswax8194 9 ай бұрын
1:40 This circuit has quite a few design flaws. The input stage has a very low bias current of abt. 1.7mA, leading to low transconductance and current starving of the voltage amplifier stage at frequencies above 1kHz, which in turn causes poor slew rate and distortion (mostly 2nd harmonic). It's also hugely disbalanced, because one transistor draws abt. 0.46mA (0.7V/1.5k), while the other one draws 1.7-0.46 = 1.24mA. The whole point of a differential pair is to be perfectly balanced. Deviations in transistor currents over 1% cause a significant increase in distortion (2nd and 3rd harmonic). The best solution here would be to use a current mirror - the increase in complexity and cost is negligible compared to the great improvement it makes. It's also beneficial to increase the bias current to abt. 6mA and add emitter degeneration resistors of abt. 33 Ohm to the differential pair. The dominant pole capacitor (220p) is too big. The whole point of the dominant pole compensation is to bring the open-loop gain down to unity just before the phase shift at the output approaches 180 degrees, thus turning an amplifier into an oscillator. The value of Cdom is determined by the current sourcing/sinking capabilities of the transconductance stage and the VAS collector impedance. The open-loop gain here is not that high to begin with, due to the aforementioned low transconductance and current starving of VAS. All of this leads to a poor slew rate and great increase in distortion at higher frequencies. The VAS collector is loaded by a current sink, which is correct, but there is never a need to adjust the exact current flowing through it, so the 10k potentiometer is useless. The 2.24k pot is placed between the Vbe multiplier's base and collector, which is a timebomb, because if it fails, the bias voltage will increase to a maximum, likely causing the output transistors to blow up. It's always a better idea to put it between the base and the emitter. The 3K resistor between the driver transistors' emitters is too big. Reduce it by a factor of ten and put a 0.1-1uF capacitor in parallel. Its purpose is to provide a small reverse-bias voltage to the output transistors, making them turn off faster. Doesn't hugely matter in this relatively low-power circuit. It's always a good idea to couple the lower leg resistor of the feedback circuit (10K) to ground through a large (470uF+) capacitor, thus bringing the DC gain down to unity. The input pair is never going to be perfectly matched, and you don't need to amplify the DC offset voltage. The 220K will then have to be reduced to the same value as the input bias resistor (10K in this case) to match the impedances. It's always better to keep the value of these resistors as low as practically possible to reduce the Johnson noise (the exact values will ultimately depend of the signal source's output impedance). It's also necessary to put a small (4.7-33pF) capacitor in parallel with the upper leg resistor of the feedback circuit. This circuit is likely to work fine without it because its dominant pole frequency and slew rate are very low and therefore the Nyquist stability is not compromised - but the noise and distortion figures most definitely are. That's all. :)
@waynecummings5021
@waynecummings5021 7 ай бұрын
That is some pretty in depth stuff you say right there. I'm trying to learn how to build an amplifier as my amplifier developed a technical glitch. I have no knowledge of electronics and to a practical approach for me is the best way to learn. This video is the first time I have seen someone explain how to build one and from that I am hopeful I can learn how an amp works and then from that maybe how to fix the one I have. Your answer is really interesting as it seems to show both interest and practical experience. Of course (and this is a joke) I know nothing about amplifiers or circuits, so what you are saying could be written by someone who knows nothing, but from a novices point of view, sounds wise and knowledgeable. :) My point here is I am going to look through the comments, but if you could highlight any videos, books or other information to teach me (us) how to do this, that would be great! As for the guy that made this video:- Thank you ever so much for this gem!!! I keep comping across fantastic repair videos, but they all presume we know how an amplifier works and what the components do, we don't. No one seems to point at anything on a PCB board from an amp and explain how each component relates to another. Seems as AB amps are based on the same principles, then know what is going on then means we can learn how to diagnose e.g. like where to put the multimeter to see what current flow is happening to find the exact problem. This subject is a minefield, but like most subjects, practice makes perfect and you video is absolutely stunning for the breakdown, explanation, but also the incredible comments from all the people pointing things out. Cheers peeps!!! ;)
@noneofyerbeeswax8194
@noneofyerbeeswax8194 7 ай бұрын
@@waynecummings5021 It's all complete gibberish, I assure you.😊 A really good book to read would be "Audio Power Amplifier Design Handbook" by Douglas Self. You can download it for free. It does require some knowledge of electronics though. Power amps are relatively simple circuits. About 95% of all amps use the same basic topology shown here, it's only the details that differ (but they do make a big difference). The best way to get started is by learning about positive and negative feedback, and how a differential amplifier works. I can't recommend any videos because back when I was learning this stuff, there weren't any, and now I rarely watch them. You could watch some about operational amplifiers, because that's what power amps basically are: big, discrete op-amps. What kind of "glitch"? Analog circuits rarely glitch in the same way computers and other digital devices do. Normally, if they stop working properly, it's due to a component failure. If your amp hasn't blown up, if there's voltage on the supply rails, and the output transistors are not shorted (which you can easily check with a multimeter when the power is OFF), then you could probably fix it.
@waynecummings5021
@waynecummings5021 7 ай бұрын
@@noneofyerbeeswax8194 Thanks buddy! That's a great reply for someone paddling in the Pool of Glitch. I have two Amplifier Receivers amps (I'm not suggesting you recommend talking me through both) that are exactly the same amps i.e. Sony STR-DE585, and both have different glitches:- 1. One turns on for a few minutes and works fine, then after about 10 minutes it cuts off - so I guess something is over-heating and it stops to protect itself or something else; 2. One turns on, but it either recognozes the input signal straight away (optic from the TV), or turning it off and on again it finally recognizes the input and then it's fine; ; There is also an Onkyo AR and that thing just sounds like it's trying to turn on, but just clicks at an exact 5 second interval. All three ARs are getting power and turn on, after that it's a mystery. Sorry to list them all, but that is what's confusing and cool i.e. they all have a different glitch. The reason I have 2 STR-DE 585s is because I bough them from Ebay as back-ups. I actually have a STR-DE585 I bought new 20 years ago and that still works, I just took it off line and used the replacement ones. However, as each one packs in I am slowly looking at using my original 585, and if that goes, then it's tears. Anyway, I thought if I buy other 585s I can reuse the parts to keep one going as long as I can learn to repair them, and here I am on this video trying to learn. I thought if I get used to one type then taking it apart will be familiar as I have three. Then it crossed my mind that I would love to learn what an amp is as they must share common technical attributes basically. :) That was a longer answer than I wanted to give.
@waynecummings5021
@waynecummings5021 7 ай бұрын
@@noneofyerbeeswax8194 I've just downloaded Audio Power Amplifier Design Handbook by Douglas Self. Thank you!!
@noneofyerbeeswax8194
@noneofyerbeeswax8194 7 ай бұрын
@@waynecummings5021 As someone who likes posting huge Walls of Text™, I really don't mind a long answer. :) I've taken a look at the STR-DE585 service manual. Lots of stuff there. If all the channels have the same kind of malfunction simultaneously, then the problem is clearly not with the output amplifiers themselves. It's most likely in the digital circuitry before it. The first problem might indeed be caused by false triggering of the thermal protection circuitry. Or by a leaky diode or transistor that starts drawing too much current as it heats up. The second problem can be caused by lots of things. It can be just a loose contact due to a mechanical failure (cracked solder, SMD resistor or capacitor), or an actual digital glitch - anything. But it's definitely in the input circuitry, not in the output amp. It's very hard to diagnose anything remotely. The process of finding a malfunction is not that hard per se, but it's very tedious. The standard procedure is to connect a signal generator to the input and follow the signal path throughout the entire circuitry until a point where it breaks. Then compare all the logic levels and DC voltages to those given in the service manual to find out what's responsible for that. Oscilloscope is required. The third one sounds like an actual amp problem. If it's a relay that clicks at a 5 sec interval, then it's definitely the speaker protection. You need to measure the DC voltage at the output, it should normally be close (within 100mV) to zero. It could also be the over-current protection. Both these problems are normally caused by an output transistor failure (one of them must be either shorted or non-conducting at all), but not always.
@ladronsiman1471
@ladronsiman1471 9 ай бұрын
MAn i have been lookin at this .Symbolic amplifier design..There is only one book i have not been abel to get >and they use mathematica ..You solved all my needs
@Objctsygibiv
@Objctsygibiv 9 ай бұрын
WHAT U THINK "CASECODE+DUAL POLE COMPENSATION 🤔 I THINK ITS POSSIBLE TO DO THAT, IS IT?🤔
@ninjafirst4579
@ninjafirst4579 9 ай бұрын
Outdated croc of shitt😮
@kamleshchavan7451
@kamleshchavan7451 10 ай бұрын
Sir please explain the circuit , make a detail video on this circuit
@mlg889medbmw3
@mlg889medbmw3 11 ай бұрын
High order harming is way too high, their bad can be described as n^2/n, not good performance on such design.
@ilhemedu31
@ilhemedu31 11 ай бұрын
Great video thank you 👍👍🇩🇿🇩🇿
@aerofart
@aerofart Жыл бұрын
Very creative use of power rails, lol. I’m surprised it even works as well as it did - there must be all sorts of non-linearities between the signal and power line circuits in an op amp. Kudos for creativity.
@CRodri-lq1ui
@CRodri-lq1ui Жыл бұрын
Alvrg soy mexican. En estados unidos están a otro nivel. CHido el amplificador.