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@melanieyoung864
@melanieyoung864 4 сағат бұрын
What colors can you get this in?
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 3 сағат бұрын
Thanks for asking! The current color range is black, white, red, orange or pink in either material and also green/brown "camo" in PLA only. I can easily add other colors on request.
@machmat33
@machmat33 10 күн бұрын
To be honest I was completely surprised to see this video. I don't believe I have actually seen another shoptask video or somebody was using the machine and not just doing a review or a sales pitch. I have one of these machines, that I bought brand new 30 plus years ago. The reason why was long conversations with the owner of the company and designer of the machine, I believe his name was John Thomas. I liked the idea of that personal connection . This is before the sales moved to Las Vegas. Not normally a fan of Chinese products , it did seem he had direct overseeing of the manufacturer and quality control. The other reason was that I had a shop space about the size of a closet. Thirty years later the shop has grown and you are correct about owning dedicated machines. We have a Bridgeport, Hendey 14x40 lathe, Southbend 9", shaper, surface grinder, and numerous other machine tools... and while I have considered selling off the ShopTask , it is still here and still being used. Why? Well there are some tasks that does well. One can cut any thread imaginable I believe from 2 tpi to 256 tpi. I have turned a 17 inch disk and it was aluminum and not bread ;) The mill is a drill press, and not that good. We have three other drill presses so it does not see any use. I have often considered just removing the drill press head. The newer styles with the four posts or other mechanism that rises and lowers the head I think would be far more usable. As a lathe it is respectable. I replaced the motor with a 2hp 3ph and a VFD, never touched the belts again. Added a Baldor gear motor and controller to the X Axis. Added a compound and QC Aloris style tool post, a number of other mods have made the ShopTask a keeper. Maybe one day I might add ball screws and turn the machine into cnc. Asked about cons of the ShopTask.... you have addressed most of them. Build quality .... one fellow said import machines and tools were like unfinished kits. Everything is there, just needs a lot if tweaking to make it right. One item I would add is the lack of quill travel on the Tail Stock. Later renditions of the machine redesigned the tail stock. Back when I purchased mine there was a long bed version available. I wish i had gone for this option. Once you add tooling the 20 inches gets used up quickly. Thanks for the video.
@bernhard_derProtoTyp
@bernhard_derProtoTyp Ай бұрын
Great process! I‘m new to (CNC) lathes and I still find it hard to wrap my head around the concept of the reference tool and its offset (from machine origin) and all other tools to it. Hope it clicks soon haha
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 4 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@GROWBY82
@GROWBY82 2 ай бұрын
ha ha ... du Stümper...hast gleich mal gezeigt wie man es nicht machen sollte. Danke.
@PALM311
@PALM311 3 ай бұрын
Rotary tables are far more accurate as far as I’m concerned because you don’t have to keep taking the set up and moving it every time you want to remove material. Once it’s set up and everything is dialed in, you can do multiple parts without moving anything, but the part itself.That to me is a much more efficient and accurate way of doing it.
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 3 ай бұрын
Since I did this one I obtained a spindexer which is much better for this kind of thing on my machine with the limited work volume.
@captianmorgan7627
@captianmorgan7627 3 ай бұрын
Stereo!
@bluegroovemodelsports9650
@bluegroovemodelsports9650 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Good tips
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@triariicat8448
@triariicat8448 3 ай бұрын
how do you tram that thing?
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 3 ай бұрын
In theory you can shim the column. I have never checked the tram as if I knew how bad it was it would bug me until I fixed it and I'm not psychologically prepared for that rabbit hole at the moment.
@wk7060
@wk7060 3 ай бұрын
I love the Grizzly 17” x 31” like this one, 20+ years old and very accurate within .001”.
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 3 ай бұрын
They do generally get the job done, and they do fit in a small space. The main cost is in time due to changing setup and taking light cuts because of the lack of rigidity.
@wk7060
@wk7060 4 ай бұрын
This is not a production machine for quickness.
@wk7060
@wk7060 4 ай бұрын
Never as good as 2 stand alone machines, but was made for the purpose of limited space. Need to compare to identical machines not two stand alone machines.
@wk7060
@wk7060 4 ай бұрын
I have the Grizzly G9729 3 in 1, and love it, 20+ years. Mine is a 17” x 31”, longer bed than yours.
@rcjoy
@rcjoy 4 ай бұрын
I should do that to mine too!
@J.W.1234
@J.W.1234 4 ай бұрын
Very nice! This really makes me want to get started on mine. Thanks for posting!
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 4 ай бұрын
Go for it!
@MauricioalbertoPinedacas-zu7bk
@MauricioalbertoPinedacas-zu7bk 4 ай бұрын
Hello!!. Only a question: to your point of view, the best trade combo Machine with prices about $ 2 500 USD is ?.... In Italy is a factory named Damatomacchine...of course, made in China with designs from italian ingeniers... do you know about the quality this ?....
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 4 ай бұрын
Sorry I don't. I last researched buying one of these 26 years ago. Like all of the hobby grade machine tools they are going to be coming from various makers who are using similar or the same basic castings. Whether these actually vome from the same foundry is not clear, but what happens afterwards varies a lot. Different brands will have different quality components and different levels of quality control and finishing. To a large extent you will get what you pay for, and to a large extent a cheaper machine can be made to be as good as a more expensive one if you have the time, tools and ability to do that. The general advice is to use a supplier in your country who will stand by their product and ensure that their suppliers keep up to their standards. In the US that seems to be Smithy and Grizzly at the moment. Harbor Freight have never had a good rep on this stuff, and Vevor are new so don't have the track record yet. Check the current reviews and forums. Made in China stuff gets a bad press, but China are going to the moon. They can make equipment of the highest quality, but they are also willing to build down to the lowest price, if that's what the customer wants i.e. they will make and sell cheap crap if the customer is willing to buy cheap crap. So look at the western middle-man and their rep, and avoid the cheapest thing on aliexpress....
@kevinthomson6324
@kevinthomson6324 5 ай бұрын
“Unless it’s bread.” Almost had a spit take of my tea😂
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 5 ай бұрын
Brain fart. No script.
@anthonylathrop7251
@anthonylathrop7251 5 ай бұрын
Watch out, there's a Dalek hiding in your garage!
@anthonylathrop7251
@anthonylathrop7251 5 ай бұрын
Kind of like the Amphicar. A not-very-good car and a not-very-good boat all in the same package.
@geoffankrett7012
@geoffankrett7012 6 ай бұрын
They are great value for the money. All the extras you say you will get from buying two different machines will cost a lot more money and space. These machines are for serious hobbyist and well worth the money for the level of quality. You will have to spend many thousands to achieve near perfection.
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 6 ай бұрын
Rigidity is worth the extra bucks. In my opinion.
@mysaorsa
@mysaorsa 6 ай бұрын
Pre Industrial Revolution hand crafted” motorcycle parts
@PALM311
@PALM311 6 ай бұрын
5/8= .625 not .650
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 6 ай бұрын
Yes. That was a brain fart.
@design8studio
@design8studio 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the insights! I am leaning toward getting separate tools instead of the combo.
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 7 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@husseinmorsy8310
@husseinmorsy8310 8 ай бұрын
How much price and how the methods re ceived
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 8 ай бұрын
i bought mine 25 years ago. Check online for prices and current shipping options.
@Cageey1117
@Cageey1117 8 ай бұрын
thank You. Saved me 8-10 grand.
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 8 ай бұрын
Wow. There's a story there. I guess you went with separate used machines?
@stevecunningham3475
@stevecunningham3475 8 ай бұрын
I was considering the combo style but accuracy is important to me. 3-4k of an inch out of tolerance is horrible specs if that is really the case. I like the idea, but being cheap is not going to be important if it's not very true imo. I prefer a true lathe within maybe 1k of in inch at the very most for what I want to use it for. Thanks for the info.
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 8 ай бұрын
I do get .001 or better on mine as long as I take very light cuts finishing. Anything heave will deflect, especially on the mill. So slow.
@geoffankrett7012
@geoffankrett7012 6 ай бұрын
​@@thumperthoughtsIt all depends how much effort you put in to get the result you want. You clearly make the effort. People are achieving brilliant results on some of the cheapest mini Lathes with a bit of tinkering first.
@sloppyfloppy79
@sloppyfloppy79 10 ай бұрын
A couple things about these machines, from an actual machinist: 1. You won't find a bigger lathe for the same price. You won't find a lathe of the same size for the same price. 2. All machines have their limits. 3. You get what you pay for. With that said, there are work arounds. The mill can be used for smaller work with spacer blocks under the vice. Use the vise that came with it only for lathe work as a compound table. Yes, it will chatter when taking more than .020. It's a 110 machine and not designed to hog steel. You can upgrade the motors on this machine so they have the power to take more than .020. So long as you stay within the motor's limits, it cuts just fine without chatter. Remember, you will spend 3-4000 on a mill that has a similar work envelope. Add that with 10,000 for a lathe with a similar swing. For the price you paid, you have a capable machine. It's limits are you, not the machine. Have patience. A good machinist takes his time to make sure the part it exactly to specification. You are not running a production plant trying to make as many as possible in an 8 hour shift. Take the time to make custom fixtures for your parts. You would be shocked to see that machine can and will turn a small block V8 crankshaft, as well as deck the heads. With a little ingenuity, you can even bore the block. It's a horizontal mill incase you haven't noticed.
@lessard2020
@lessard2020 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the honesty! << Unless you cut bread >> lol
@donniev8181
@donniev8181 11 ай бұрын
Watching metal get sliced off like butter always fascinates me!
@hu5116
@hu5116 11 ай бұрын
There is another consideration beside space, cost! Two machines will invariably cost more than just one of these. I’ve been looking at the Chicago lathe Bridgemill, which would seem to address any rigidity issues, and seems to have a lot of nice features, including, default, CNC. Would be interested in anybody that has one of the newest ones and hear their opinions. Thanks!
@MarioAPN
@MarioAPN 11 ай бұрын
Exactly. Machines are very expensive. The similar machine cost 3500 euros in my country and it is great for my needs. Also, it replaces 3 machines. Drill, lathe and mill. I am ok with that, it is a hobby machine.
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 6 ай бұрын
The CLB is a direct descendant of my machine. I do not have experience with it. Most of your cost is going to end up being tooling anyway, not the machines themselves, which offsets the price somewhat. You get what you pay for.
@jmrico1979
@jmrico1979 11 ай бұрын
can i use a machine like this one to bore scooter cylinders?
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts 11 ай бұрын
Yes, with the right tooling, and if you take it slow.
@jmrico1979
@jmrico1979 11 ай бұрын
@@thumperthoughts awesome, thanks for the tip
@oldfarthacks
@oldfarthacks Жыл бұрын
The original cork would of been a single piece from the bark of the cork tree. Interesting video, fun to see how things used to be done.
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts Жыл бұрын
Yes, that's how they make winne corks, but there are different grades and the wine corks tend to have cracks and flaws and voids in them. I thought I'd try the Drambuie cork this time as it seems to be bound granules. Leaving it to steep for a bit in a jar of fuel will hopefully tell if the binder is fuel resistant.
@StuartsShed
@StuartsShed Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the detailed strip down of the Enot. I know the name, haven't seen one up close yet. Cheers and stay cool!
@mysaorsa
@mysaorsa Жыл бұрын
:0 it’s happening!
@oldfarthacks
@oldfarthacks Жыл бұрын
Ah, Ariel, an innovated and fun company. Well suited to have the bumper sticker added that says "Nothing compels me to be rational on all points.". I first met the company when a friend of mine bought one in the 1970s. They are rare here in the US. But still, fun even if it did tend to fry it's rear cylinders. I wish you good luck in your preserving such a wonderful machine. Features such as the volute rebound springs are so interesting. I like to see all sorts of historical machines preserved. Much as I was pleased to see Union Pacific restore the Big Boy 4014 4884 engine here in the US. So many fun moving parts. I also so love the differences in the English language around the world. I was struck with the difference in talking about the insert bearings, you are calling them bushes, here in the states we generally call them bushings. The reason that this hit my rather warped mind is when you first said "replace the bush" and the thought popped into my head, that thought being, with what, a shrubbery of perhaps a nice hedge. Anyway, keep on keeping on, I am enjoying very much.
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts Жыл бұрын
The wife was also highly amused when I explained how the bush moves up and down on the shaft. Most Ariels do not have those 3 extra cylinders. This one, as I think I mentioned, has the same layout as a Briggs and Stratton lawnmower engine, just bigger.
@oldfarthacks
@oldfarthacks Жыл бұрын
Well I do have a steam engine that I started about 20 years ago, so I know what you are going through.
@StuartsShed
@StuartsShed Жыл бұрын
Ah - you suffer from distractivitus also. Well keep at it, it's great fun. I enjoyed the engine vids and look forward to whatever else you get up to.
@MBTechnicalClasses
@MBTechnicalClasses Жыл бұрын
Very good 👍
@peejay6855
@peejay6855 Жыл бұрын
This lost it for me....soft solder repair on a steam engine ... not good. Silver solder or braze would work, but there's no excuse for soft solder.
@peejay6855
@peejay6855 Жыл бұрын
loose the tunes.........
@T0tenkampf
@T0tenkampf Жыл бұрын
NEVER TRUST A DALEK! I went and looked at a Smithy Granite 1324 Max and it was pretty impressive despite my aversion to Chinesium. If I can talk him down on the cost it may be good for use while I build a PrintNC mill.
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts Жыл бұрын
The Granite does look like it has addressed the primary drawba cks of the mill setup on the earlier generation machines like mine - more metal in the mill head implies greater rigidity and a bunch more quill travel.
@practicalplinking6133
@practicalplinking6133 Жыл бұрын
Ya shouldda bought a better brand !!
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts Жыл бұрын
Back in 98 I thought the Shoptask was superior to the Smithy at that time, especially as I was interested in CNC. The Granite did not exist. My point is not about the brand, but that separate machines are a better path if you have the space.
@practicalplinking6133
@practicalplinking6133 Жыл бұрын
@@thumperthoughts Yea, I guess it's all about what ya need, what ya can get ($) and what your abilities are !!
@oldfarthacks
@oldfarthacks Жыл бұрын
Good idea, carry on no matter what. I enjoy seeing content like this, it gives me ideas. The slot in the thread is jut there for oiling, right?
@thumperthoughts
@thumperthoughts Жыл бұрын
Sure, yes, I totally did that on purpose for oiling. 😉
@Mr7yhnmki8
@Mr7yhnmki8 Жыл бұрын
You’re spot on in your recommendation.
@MarioAPN
@MarioAPN 11 ай бұрын
Not quite. The similar one cost 3500 euros in my country. I am a hobbyist. I work on programming hurco mills at work and I don't have enough money for buying one. When you are buying hurco, trust me, you want to buy the new unit. They have crazily good features, but they are breaking a lot after 10 years of constant work 24 hours a day. For example, Haas with their micron versions, old machines that are 20+ years old are undestructable. They are slow, but what vibrations and torture are they going through, not single new unit could. They just work and work and work. Zero problems, it is amazing. Hurco after 10 years... A lot of problems. Also, finishing on hurco, I don't know why, probably because of pure mass of the machine, is superb. Haas, with same tools, same parameters, is worse. But vfx2s is a lot smaller and probably lighter than hurco vmx30t so there is that.
@martinmoore6545
@martinmoore6545 Жыл бұрын
Just make a sleeve liner and the bore will be as good as new
@oldfarthacks
@oldfarthacks Жыл бұрын
And you didn't even need a bolt of lightning to start it. Nice
@oldfarthacks
@oldfarthacks Жыл бұрын
Now the fun part is almost upon you, screwing it all up together. Or is that screwing it together, I can never keep those straight.
@oldfarthacks
@oldfarthacks Жыл бұрын
Gluing oneself to a model in progress with super glue goes ever so much faster if you have applied baking soda to the joint. Trust me, I know.
@oldfarthacks
@oldfarthacks Жыл бұрын
So, let's see. Ra ra sis boom ba and all that. Getting closer, keep on pushing.
@oldfarthacks
@oldfarthacks Жыл бұрын
What!!! Chinese making bad tooling, say it isn't so Becky. OMG what is wrong with those people. Oh, wait, Chinese and the junk, well the sail them so why not make is as well. A very nice packing nut. CNC is really helpful, cutting that by hand would be hard. It can be done because there are three holes that match the 3 arcs, but a lot of setup and care.
@oldfarthacks
@oldfarthacks Жыл бұрын
You don't really need a V Block. What you do need is something that will give 2 points of contact at the same height. But the V Block is useful in other ways so why not. As to some of the errors on the iron cylinder head, well if you are going to paint this engine, there is always auto body filler. In thinking about the hole misalignment issue, just put studs in the stand, open up the holes slightly in the head and cylinder on that end and then some little nuts.