If Tywin didnt died he would become good

Best part when they both ignore sersi xd

Tywin was the only reason things were held together at King's Landing and the kingdom under Lannister rule. That's why I think Tyrion killing him was the most important turning point in the series.

This is just my opinion, but I feel like Tywin's "yes!" was not wholesome at all. Yes, he clearly value wisdom, but remember he acknowledged Tyrion's wisdom and treated him like garbage regardless. Charles Dance's delivery makes me think of that one teacher who tries to hype up the students when they answers right to encourage them to listen more. Tywin is manipulating Tommen, which the following lines make obvious. Note that Jaime just asks him if he's ok, says he'll take care of him, and leaves. THAT is genuine. Sublime scene regardless of interpretation.

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There's a strong sense of relief from everyone but Cersei in these scenes. He really was a monster that only a mother could love.

Tywin is just the best

2:42 cersei is just like "fuck maybe it was good joffrey died"

Daario did it perfectly, but even if Grey Worm, Jorah or Barristan took the challenge the champion of mereen would die anyways.

funny how he said Holiness, then became holy, then failed

“Oi your Bruva is dead and I’m smarter than you, ya know how to impregnate a woman?” - Tywin basically

Tywin talking about Joffery being a shit king. Tywin should have said: your stupid mother should have swallowed that one!

Let me make your mom moan. Now get lost..... 😂

What I like about Tywin's advice is that not only is Tywin obviously setting Tommen up to be a malleable puppet, but also Tywin's advice is very good. Tywin, at least, plays the game of thrones straight, he isn't setting up massive betrayals behind the scenes or using the entire seven kingdoms chiefly to line his pockets. Listening to his advice is a good way to stay in power and stay alive, so on the one hand, I want to say, "Tommen, no, he's tricking you" but... Tywin is not wrong, either

all those qualities in those characters he named, and what they lack but whats tywin’s quality? Would he be wisdom or fear?

tywin is relieved joff died😭😭 he once had an argument with cersei about margery wanting to control joffrey and he replied by saying someone should learn to control him😂

I agree with this so much. After seeing the mess Cersi made with Joffery, he wanted to make sure he know how to lead the way he wanted Janie to.

And then Jamie decided to assault his sister/love of his life right next to the dead body of their oldest child.

Tywin was trying to set up Tommen as essentially his puppet, but incidentally set him up to be a weak puppet of pretty much whatever person gave him advice most recently.

sometimes i pitty tywin more than ned because all that wisdom and cleverness wasted cause of his stupid children. only once when he was unfair to tyrion on joffery's death i felt he was the villan other than that pretty decent and justifiable character. In some sense he was his behaviour towards tyrion was also reasonable so many chaces wasted on him.

Jamie heard the tail end of that conversation and went BOIIIIIIIING !!! A practical demonstration then happened. Too bad Tommen and Tywin missed that.

One could argue that he was just tricking Tommen to easily manipulate him, but to be honest, "a wise king knows what he knows and what he doesn't" is such a true line. Tywin was a masterful character.

I feel soooo bad for Tywin really. He wasn’t a bad man at all. If only he saw the potential in Tyrions wit and treated him well lannisters would sure enough be rulers of the seven kingdoms a way or the other. This is by far the most educating , genuine conversation I’ve ever heard between a man and his grandson at least for a TV series

Who is Orys I ?

Who the fuck is Orys I.?

this man just dissing Joffrey's corpse as it lies there next to him

I wish Martin had finished the books, imagine how amazing it could have been! Tywin was amazing!

Who was Orys I? Lol

The fact that Cersei refuses to believe that Joffrey was a terrible king and person truly shows she will follow him at every wrong decision and love him at the same time too. At least Tywin and Jamie knew Joffrey wasn't good.

“Your Uncle Tyrion will explain the details to you.”

“A wise king knows what he knows and what he doesn’t” So true

After learning about Strong Belwas, this scene is honestly quite disappointing.

"Was that just of him? To abandon his subjects to an evil he was too gullible to recognize?" Oh, the absolute burn if Tommen had recognized Tywin as an incarnation of that evil.

Tommen could have become a good king

I almost feel bad for Cersei in this scene... she's looking at the dead body of her son, mourning him, with a pain beyond words, only to have her father, her child's grandfather, insult him and show no sadness over his death whatsoever, that must be horrible... And then I remember how fucking disgustingly evil both Joffrey and Cersei were and I don't feel bad anymore 😂

Some of the last bits of good writing.

Gives her flowers in the most gentle way, kills a champion effortlessly and with a style! And immediately before the kill, winks at her. Dario Naharis knew his game!

what makes a good king : for sure not him

if tywinn didnt die tommen would be a great king and the cult of the high sparrow would not influence tommen to his demise😮‍💨😮‍💨 well i blame cersie for that

"What makes a good king?" "Love?" "Yes, love. King Tommen was loved. Loved by the nobles. Loved by the faith. Loved by his people. Loved by his wife. And he loved her back so much that he killed himself when she died"

Tywin is indeed enjoying Jeoffrey's death

Who is Orys the first? Not a Targaryen I presume ?

Thank god we got to see robert in one of those 3 council meetings.

Tywin just ignores Cersei like she didn’t say anything at all lol

But Jaime asks what nobody else asked. He asks if Tommen is okay, and then promises in a few words he means to be there for him.

if only tywin had the decency to at least recognize tyrion as his son, he would have been alive to mold tommen into a very powerful and wise king.

I love this scene, the depths of Tywin's emoting are immense. Sternness Patience A bit condescending Grandfatherly Studios Mentor Intimidating Wise And in the end the Pride he emotes when Tommen answers correctly is top notch acting

If it weren't for the fact that Tywin was manipulating Tommen, I'd congratulate him for the good advice he was giving him 😂

Tommen was manipulated and died before he could reach his full potential

It's all relatively straightforward 😂😂