Colorado's WWII 10th Mountian Divison
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@davehiggins5903
@davehiggins5903 Күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing this. My uncle Bob lally was in the 102nd ozarks. He shared many stories with me . He passed few years back. Truly these men were from the greatest generation. He shared a few stories on line.
@davelane4055
@davelane4055 Ай бұрын
Heroic virtuous
@lyndoncmp5751
@lyndoncmp5751 Ай бұрын
I never understood this 'second front now' mantra . The western front was already a second front. In fact it was the ONLY front until June 1941. It stretched from Britain, throughout the Atlantic Ocean, Arctic Ocean, Mediterranean and North Africa, then (later) Italy. Plus the air campaign over Germany. Added up this was a massive effort and absolutely a front in its own right .
@kodor1146
@kodor1146 Ай бұрын
Because Germany is a landpower and landpower can not be defeated in the Atlantic Ocean or the Arctic Ocean nor in any other ocean. Neither can a land power be defeated in the air. A land power can only be defeated in a huge scale land war. That is what matters and that is either the Brits and the Americans were afraid of.
@lyndoncmp5751
@lyndoncmp5751 Ай бұрын
@@kodor1146 The Germans and Italians were in a land war in the west from 1940, as well as a sea and air war. It's not as if there was no land war against Germany in the west until 1944. 2/3 of Germanys wartime expenditure and material resources went on their air and sea forces, and these were largely destroyed in the west. Most German land units were non mechanised, second rate, poorly equipped horse drawn rabble, due to the resources Germany needed to put into their air and sea forces. This was of enormous benefit to the USSR. Already by the end of 1942, some 60% of German fighters were in Germany defending against the allied strategic bombing campaign. The allied strategic bombing campaign in Germany also took up 1/3 of all German artillery, 1/2 of German electro-technical and 1/3 of all German optical equipment. There was most definitely a second front all through WW2, and as I already said the west was the ONLY front for the first two years. The British and Americans were afraid? The British were fighting all the way through the war. Unlike the Soviets who didn't lift a finger to help until Germany invaded them in June 1941.
@kodor1146
@kodor1146 Ай бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 That is why I said "huge scale lnd war". Again a land power can only defeat on land. How much money is put in airplanes and ships doesn´t matter. For defeating a land power you need somebody who is doing the actual fighting on land which is ugly because land war is always ugly due to the losses. The Western Powers got 2 problems: 1st) The German army from 1870 to 1945 was by far the best fighting force in the world. They were tactically superior to all of the opponents they faced. Making things worse they were highly modern equipped and fought fanatically. They were a highly dangerous foe and none of the Germans opponents could measure up to them on the battlefield. Just think about North Africa where the Brits received a sound threasing by the Germans although for them it was just a sideshow. 2nd) The Western powers were democracies and there is nothing else in the world democracies are more afraid of than death. They panically fear. There is nothing democracies fear more than to die which is why they need somebody doing the real war, the big scale ground war, for them. And these were the Soviets. There is a reason why the Western Allies had no conficence in themselves when it came to ground warfare and why they only had one aim: bring the boys home. The motto of democracy always is, let others die, let others sacrifice their youth. Just look at the pacific. The Americans did their island hopping, fought from island to island right through the pacific but finally they stood at the gate of the Japanse mainland. Entering the Japanese isles the Americans expected losses between 70,000 and 200,000. So the Americans faced the landings in Japan with very mingled feelings. With even more mingled feelings they faced the fact to fight against Jaoan not just on the Japanese mainland but also in China where 2 million Japanese were deployed along the coast, more than 3,700 miles. Now we do not land on an atoll but on the mainland with a 2 million men strong army in fortified positions. And as with the Germans they had no guts for this kind of an operation and so they approached the ones which died non stop since 1941: the Soviets. And they did it. Within 14 days. The Americans hair stood on end. The reason for the dropping of the nuclear bombs was mainly to keep the Soviets at bay, to convience them that the bombs really work. Again Germany is a land power and you can only defeat a land power on land and therefore you need somebody doing the dirty work, the big scale land war. Losses in the dimension of big scale land war can only be borne by dictaturships never by democracies. Americans and Brits as democracies were scared sh...tless to do a big scale land war. They wouldn´t have been able to launch this kind of war. Both, as classical democracies panically were afraid to die.
@lyndoncmp5751
@lyndoncmp5751 Ай бұрын
​​@@kodor1146 The USSR did NOTHING against Nazi Germany until it was FORCED to fight after Nazi Germany invaded in June 1941. Where was the bravery of the Soviets to fight before this? The USSR had NO OPTION but to fight for ITSELF. It was not bravery, it was not sacrificing for the sake of others. It was self serving self preservation. No more. The USSR did precisely NOTHING to help when the Luftwaffe was dropping bombs and killing tens of thousands of civilians in my city in 1940 during the Blitz. Instead the USSR was sharing vodka with the Nazis.
@kodor1146
@kodor1146 Ай бұрын
​@@lyndoncmp5751 Doesn´t change the fact that a land power can only be defeated on land and that this role (wrestling down the German war machine) had been played by the Soviets. The British mind was highly informed by WW1. In the British mind when WW2 starts out there is one thing you don´t want to do, one thing you want to avoid at any cost and that is having a million, havint two million soldiers fighting the German Army. There is never been anything like it. The German Army back than was the most capable, most effective, most competent and most murderous force in the world. None Western Power was able to launch a land war against them. Take the Americans, their economy is way bigger than the German one and heir human potential that can be mobilized is way bigger than the German one. But nevertheless in a war fought one on one (GER vs USA) they would not have been able to defeat the Germans because of their terrible fear of dying. Their losses would have been gone into the millions and this is too much for a democracy. As a girl is afraid of a mouse democracies (US / GB) are afraid of death. The SU on the other hand could die. It could die superbly even. Already in the first months of war against the German war machine they suffered losses of two million men killed in action, 3 million captured by the Germans but nevertheless they continued fighting. Even a fraction of this losses would have been enough for the Brits or the Americans to quit the war and go home. Land war against the Germans was way beyond what the Brits and the Americans were able to do. Land war is different. It is dirty, it is loss making. Nothing glossy about it. It´s killing. Brutal! Victory by destruction. In this field neither the British nor the americans had any business.
@robertwebb5306
@robertwebb5306 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, Flint, for your very good presentation. I am very interested in WW2, have been to Oradour-sur-Glane several times and also speak French and German. I was impressed with your correct pronunciation of names and places related to the topic. It was especially pleasant to hear ‘Glane’ and ‘Kämpfe’ pronounced properly for a change. The road you wondered about leads to Limoges. The photo of 189 murdered men is actually in Lidice, not Oradour. The Milice was not involved in the bloody operation at Oradour; it was solely a unit of Das Reich. Indeed, at least one of the victims, Albert Roumy, was believed to be in the Milice. The body on the fence is that of Henri Poutaraud, who indeed was trying to escape but was spotted by an SS sentinel. Only five men made it out alive from the carnage. The death toll at Oradour has been revised upwards to 643. The car on the main square actually belonged to a Mr. Texereau and was moved there from a few metres away after 10th June 1944. The boy arrowed in the photo from the boys’ school is not Roger Godfrin. If I remember correctly, the boy in the photo is amongst the victims pictured in the tunnel in the Centre de la Mémoire.
@kaseysbookhoard9211
@kaseysbookhoard9211 3 ай бұрын
Hi! I'm the daughter of a nurse who cared for soldiers wounded in Vietnam. She was stationed at the 249th General hospital in the late '60s. I believe she knew you (Tom). We've been going through old photos from her life before she married my dad.
@howardcrampton9973
@howardcrampton9973 3 ай бұрын
Made 1972 cruise on the Hancock in VA-212
@jwpierce1830
@jwpierce1830 4 ай бұрын
I was USS Hancock Weapons Department Aviation Ordnanceman 1970-1973. Hangar bay ordnance on my first cruise then later flight deck ordnance for two cruises,.
@timothybrimm6299
@timothybrimm6299 4 ай бұрын
I was on the Hancock from june 1970 ,i was but a lowly swabby serving at a mess station near the fantail originally attachedto va 55 i was there until jan 71 i remember how hectic flight ops were night ops were the most awesome things to behold sir i was there with you thank you for helpingto teach an 18 year old understand what "serving" means once again "thank you iwas attached to va55 out of lemoore also our paths may have passed unknowingly i salute you sir !
@bvon5630
@bvon5630 4 ай бұрын
Well done to record this, thank you. I miss a lot because I can’t understand what Charles is saying. Maybe some subtitles could go in? He saw a lot of carnage. I think it’s a good idea to have a personal record from the veterans. It is very interesting from an eye witness account.
@Dub96
@Dub96 4 ай бұрын
My great grandfather Lt. Colonel Warren Franscioni flew the hump multiple times and we have a ton of his photos of his travels during that time, including news paper articles of his heroics. We have his flight logs as well. One particular story is that he was flying a B-24 over the hump and the wings froze over so they had to bail out and didn’t know if they were in enemy territory. Scary stuff. Never got to meet him. But if you look him up on the internet you’ll find he was also the inventor of the frisbee!
@donnaklein3352
@donnaklein3352 4 ай бұрын
My father in-law never talked about his experience until he was much older year. After watching the masters of the air on Apple TV I had no idea how heroing his experiences were! What a brave man
@stingginner1012
@stingginner1012 5 ай бұрын
My father Pvt Theodore J. Cain was a member of the 221 Airborne Medical Company in the 11th Airborne. I'm certain that if Lloyd ever sick/injured at some point he was seen by my father. Listening to Lloyd saying the second jump was the hardest is the same thing my father said. He also talked about the pet monkey which also hated Japanese and would warn them if they were around. My dad was at the hospital at the airfield when the Japanese dropped paratroopers. He was upset with the Engineers that night because they kept yelling out the password and cross sign which was "Piggly answered by Wiggly" The Japs hearing this were running around yelling Piggly Wiggly don't shoot we Americans. Since over 30 Japs were attempting to attack the Hospital and the wounded the 11th AB took it personal. After that few attempts were made to take prisoners. Throughout the war whenever a member of the 11AB would get into trouble and General Swing was confronted he would say "Not my angles". My father would not talk about the Battle of Manila, if that was brought up, he became very quiet. Lloyd you are a true hero. God Bless. My father passed away in 1974 of the Big C.
@user-yc6kk3lj9m
@user-yc6kk3lj9m 5 ай бұрын
I loved watching this Mike. I’ve always wanted see what I could find of my dad when he fought in Korea. Very interesting and a great way to honor your dad and others who fought in the Korean War. Thank you! Love Mary
@eugenehorvath2494
@eugenehorvath2494 6 ай бұрын
Was on the Hancock the same time with A3 squadron VAQ 129. Plane Captain.
@rayward3630
@rayward3630 6 ай бұрын
Admiral Yamamoto stated that Japan had to win the war in 2 years, as the industrial and manpower strength of the US would become impossible to defeat. He was obviously right.
@WD-41469
@WD-41469 6 ай бұрын
Fantastic, I had never heard about any of this. Thank you.
@WD-41469
@WD-41469 6 ай бұрын
Wow. This was great.
@terryslota2224
@terryslota2224 7 ай бұрын
3rd Batt. 7th Marines ChuLai,RVN 10/65-11/66
@waynehatton4136
@waynehatton4136 7 ай бұрын
One of my Dad's best friends from Conway, Pa. was Capt. Lloyd Sheetz, who served under L. Col. Pergrin in this action. Another friend of them both was Sgt. Bob Snyder who was killed in the massacre.
@user-qm7nw7vd5s
@user-qm7nw7vd5s 7 ай бұрын
Very good, no frills talk. 👍👍
@bearowen5480
@bearowen5480 8 ай бұрын
Bill Bacon is a not only an incredibly accomplished aviator, but also a distinguished patriot and upstanding citizen. In the mid-1970s I first encountered Bill around Judson Flying Service at Longmont's Vance Brand Municipal Airport. I worked for Cliff Judson as a part-time flight instructor, mostly training Army and Air Force ROTC cadets in their flight indoctrination program, known as FIPs. Between the many checkrides he gave, Bill Bacon seemed to always be hanging out in Judson's business office and hangar. I soon learned that as a flight examiner, Bill had a reputation for being a tough but fair check pilot. In the presentation here, I was somewhat surprised to learn that he had a 20% "bust rate". I suspect that's a fairly high rate of failed checkrides, but after hearing Fred's story of colliding with a chain link fence on his own ride with Bill and still passing, it made me wonder what scary infractions committed by his examinees Bill must have survived with the 20% he had to fail! I taught my own Grandson, Jason Campbell to fly when he was in high school. He took his private pilot checkride with Bill. Afterwards, Bill told us that Jason was "gifted" and that if he persevered and applied himself, he could have a promising career in aviation. Bill was right. Jason is now a Boeing 757/767 instructor and FAA designated flight examiner for Omni Air International, a major defense contractor airline that flies American and British troops all over the world. I'm incredibly proud of Jason, and equally honored to be associated with Bill Bacon in the activities of the Broomfield Veterans Museum.
@smokeyjensen3135
@smokeyjensen3135 8 ай бұрын
We served together on the Hancock and in VA 127, me as an AT mostly as a bench tech in AIMD TAD from VA 212. I repaired the ARN 52 TACAN, the ARN 52 radar beacon, and the gun synchronizer from the F-8s. Thanks for your presentation. It explained a lot.
@Dhouston1125
@Dhouston1125 9 ай бұрын
killer egg... love it
@user-zz5qe8wz8g
@user-zz5qe8wz8g 9 ай бұрын
Mary T Cohoe is my sister talking in Navajo, giving a blessing, at clip 51:42-52:00, I served in Vietnam as a marine & was wounded in May '68, CA Lu, next firebase to Khe Sahn
@burnardruddle3377
@burnardruddle3377 9 ай бұрын
🤦 "Promo sm"
@richardboutwell3029
@richardboutwell3029 9 ай бұрын
This was a real account of what happened and where it all started but I was a lance corporal in headquarters company 2nd battalion 8th marines with the 22nd MAU. We spent a week in Grenada and then we went to Beirut and was the unit who pulled out. Nobody talks about what happened to us and what we went through. My heart has always hurt and I can’t ever forget our brothers who didn’t come back. We were mostly a bunch of kids and we were over our heads and didn’t even know it. My biggest lesson to all this is you can’t run a military operation like this from Washington. Too many families had to suffer.
@nicknguyen2491
@nicknguyen2491 9 ай бұрын
8 years old with unpinned hand grenades walking around is😊unheard-of.
@terryslota2224
@terryslota2224 10 ай бұрын
3rd Batt. 7th Marines ChuLai,RVN 10/65-11/66
@bearowen5480
@bearowen5480 10 ай бұрын
Had to miss the in-person presentation as you know, Cliff, but finally got to see and hear it here. This was a masterful exposition of the Army's and your participation in the war from a Soldier's perspective. Your voluntary project of portrait photography for veterans and their families represents a genuine act of patriotism and affection for our comrades in arms. Thank you for your generosity and love of country. I am honored by your friendship. Sincerely yours, Bear
@TheCragg777
@TheCragg777 10 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@fozbstudios
@fozbstudios 10 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation and reflection on the war
@douglasgay4497
@douglasgay4497 10 ай бұрын
As you jear him talk about aloach you are hearing what any combatAir soldier will tell youlike a timex they could take a beating and keep ticking
@topgeardel
@topgeardel 10 ай бұрын
Coffee and Conversation? What BS. Here's my "Coffee & Conversation". Vietnam veterans did NOT belong in Vietnam. It wasn't their fight. They were invaders, occupiers and aggressors in someone else's country that did nothing to Americans or the US. They enabled an imperialistic US Government to implement an erroneous foreign policy. Without them participating, there would be NO Vietnam war. They did not fight for American safety, security and freedom...win or lose. These clowns have gone Hollywood in the last 10 years. They did nothing to keep future American generations from other loser "Vietnams". That was their biggest failure.
@terryslota2224
@terryslota2224 10 ай бұрын
3rd Batt. 7th Marines ChuLai,RVN 10/65-11/66
@sunnindawg
@sunnindawg 11 ай бұрын
Excellent
@larryb982
@larryb982 11 ай бұрын
Very well put together enjoyed learning about the donut dollies
@sportsfan205
@sportsfan205 11 ай бұрын
WELCOME HOME LADIES.
@sportsfan205
@sportsfan205 11 ай бұрын
Back when women looked like women, Tay Nihn 1967 to 1969
@paulprigge1209
@paulprigge1209 11 ай бұрын
Have to wonder what happened to the other pilot . Also No name given. Regardless he did a good job presentation
@amygalvin1799
@amygalvin1799 11 ай бұрын
You were brave and selfless. Although I believe the war was horribly wrong, you were an important part of that history and brought comfort amongst the suffering. Thank you for sharing your story. 💙
@bearowen5480
@bearowen5480 11 ай бұрын
This presentation is a deeply nostalgic one by Fred Martin who is an amazing resource and active supporter to the Broomfield Veterans Museum. If you found this video compelling, I urge you to watch his team Coffee and Conversation presentation with Alex Dominick, son of Colorado US Senator Peter Dominick. Both are sons of WWII Army pilots who flew the dangerous India-China resupply missions over the Himalayas, the infamous "Hump" operation.
@bry10101
@bry10101 11 ай бұрын
Its disgusting how our government trys to cover up this incident. These men are/were heros and now are forgoten. Just like the men who died during the Afghanistan pull out.
@bearowen5480
@bearowen5480 11 ай бұрын
This was a great exposition upon the Liberty incident. I was aware of it as most well informed Americans should be, but I learned a great deal more about the inner story as told by a first hand witness, Jim Mize. At the time there was such a shield of secrecy on the part of both Israel and the United States that it has taken over five decades for the truth to finally trickle out. The complicity of the cover-up is breathtaking, but it is incumbent upon both governments to admit responsibility for the attack on Liberty and the subsequent obfuscation by our own government. After the passage of so much.time, there can be no legitimate national security justification for the continuing of secrecy regarding this incident. In the interests of truth it is high time for this to be exposed to the disinfectant of full transparency. I salute Jim for his efforts to set the record straight. One of the vulnerabilities of a democracy is to have mistakes of this type exposed to its citizens and the world so that they will not be repeated. Yes, it is embarrassing for both countries, but essential to the principles of truth and self governance.
@terryslota2224
@terryslota2224 11 ай бұрын
3rd Batt. 7th Marines ChuLai,RVN 10/65-11/66
@alvinuselton912
@alvinuselton912 11 ай бұрын
About the c rations I thought it better to eat the cigarettes and smoke the food
@billpugh58
@billpugh58 11 ай бұрын
Why do so many men dislike these women?
@billpugh58
@billpugh58 11 ай бұрын
Why do so many men hate these women?
@jackwardrop4994
@jackwardrop4994 Жыл бұрын
Just incredible details
@multitieredinvestor183
@multitieredinvestor183 Жыл бұрын
Did three combat tours Dominican Republic Vietnam x2 and never saw one actually working.
@trussell8510
@trussell8510 Жыл бұрын
The most beautiful and courageous women ever. I served 69-70