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Have you read the Book of Mormon?

Yeah, that's awesome!

Where does the Book of Mormon say that?

@@CalledtoShare 2 Nephi 5:21 it says the Lamanites were disobedient and for their punishment they became black.

That's not how I read it. The curse is explained further in verse 24: 24 And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey. I don't see how a cursing of someone to make them have black skin would make them become idle and full of mischief. The curse wasn't skin color.

@@CalledtoShare Why is having black skin a curse?

Maybe because of they're foolishness and it has nothing to do with skin colour!😊​@@LennyChildOfJesus

Have you read the Book of Mormon?

Have you read the Book of Mormon?

Have you read it? If I send you a free copy of the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ would you accept it?

I can read it online

Will you?

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Would you care to explain what you mean?

Why?

"One of the arguments often used in any defense of a closed canon is the New Testament passage recorded in Revelation 22:18: “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of … this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.” However, there is now overwhelming consensus among virtually all biblical scholars that this verse applies only to the book of Revelation, not the whole Bible. Those scholars of our day acknowledge a number of New Testament “books” that were almost certainly written after John’s revelation on the Isle of Patmos was received. Included in this category are at least the books of Jude, the three Epistles of John, and probably the entire Gospel of John itself. Perhaps there are even more than these. But there is a simpler answer as to why that passage in the final book of the current New Testament cannot apply to the whole Bible. That is because the whole Bible as we know it-one collection of texts bound in a single volume-did not exist when that verse was written. For centuries after John produced his writing, the individual books of the New Testament were in circulation singly or perhaps in combinations with a few other texts but almost never as a complete collection. Of the entire corpus of 5,366 known Greek New Testament manuscripts, only 35 contain the whole New Testament as we now know it, and 34 of those were compiled after a.d. 1000. The fact of the matter is that virtually every prophet of the Old and New Testament has added scripture to that received by his predecessors. If the Old Testament words of Moses were sufficient, as some could have mistakenly thought them to be, then why, for example, the subsequent prophecies of Isaiah or of Jeremiah, who follows him? To say nothing of Ezekiel and Daniel, of Joel, Amos, and all the rest. If one revelation to one prophet in one moment of time is sufficient for all time, what justifies these many others? What justifies them was made clear by Jehovah Himself when He said to Moses, “My works are without end, and … my words … never cease.” One Protestant scholar has inquired tellingly into the erroneous doctrine of a closed canon. He writes: “On what biblical or historical grounds has the inspiration of God been limited to the written documents that the church now calls its Bible? … If the Spirit inspired only the written documents of the first century, does that mean that the same Spirit does not speak today in the church about matters that are of significant concern?” We humbly ask those same questions." - Jeffrey R. Holland / My Words Never Cease www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2008/04/my-words-never-cease?lang=eng

​ I love your thorough explanations and they are very true❤❤❤

By the way.. The Book of Mormon is NOT the completion but IS a complimentation🌞🌞🌞 There are the Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price AND revelations which are given to God's chosen living modern day prophets, AND personal revelations from the Holy Spirit which are given to individuals with great care and for who have a good personal relationship ongoing with Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ does not stop speaking, he is Eternal, and speaks as he wishes to📖🙏🏼🕊

I watch those old talks from the 70s and up, and they did say quite a bit just like the ones today. Each Prophet is picked for their specific time period and their people and their needs.🫂💜🙏🏼🕊

Have you ever read the Book of Mormon?

I'm so glad!

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Amen!

He was the Creator of this world and the Savior and Redeemer of us all.

You do realize that the Jews at that time did not have metaphysics? Metaphysics was added to post-apostolic Christianity a few centuries later with many elements of Platonic and Neo-Platonic philosophy a few centuries after Christ, while the Middle Ages brought metaphysics into Judaism.

@@JD-pr1et exactly! I agree with you. Jesus traveled to Asia where he studied Asian philosophies and brought that crap back to Jerusalem. Mary was a whore who got knocked up and fled Judea for fear of being stoned to death for committing adultery.

@@JD-pr1et censoring 🤩

@@JD-pr1et I’m sure Jesus would have loved me no matter what and not have had my comment deleted. 😂😂😂😂

Yes, but where are the original transcripts of the Bible?

@@CalledtoShare That is a very good point. It is true that they are lost to time as it was written on perishable material, but not on golden tablets with magic stones to translate. Historical methodology support and prefer that many different translations and copies of the original is kept. This is then used to "reverse engineer" the original text. The mere fact that translations and copies exists supports the authenticity of the original. (as a pastor you should know this) But this just places more onus on you once again. where are the gold tablets? And what are the evidence to support that Joseph was not drunk/high or just out of is mind?

Have you read the Book of Mormon?

"One of the arguments often used in any defense of a closed canon is the New Testament passage recorded in Revelation 22:18: “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of … this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.” However, there is now overwhelming consensus among virtually all biblical scholars that this verse applies only to the book of Revelation, not the whole Bible. Those scholars of our day acknowledge a number of New Testament “books” that were almost certainly written after John’s revelation on the Isle of Patmos was received. Included in this category are at least the books of Jude, the three Epistles of John, and probably the entire Gospel of John itself. Perhaps there are even more than these. But there is a simpler answer as to why that passage in the final book of the current New Testament cannot apply to the whole Bible. That is because the whole Bible as we know it-one collection of texts bound in a single volume-did not exist when that verse was written. For centuries after John produced his writing, the individual books of the New Testament were in circulation singly or perhaps in combinations with a few other texts but almost never as a complete collection. Of the entire corpus of 5,366 known Greek New Testament manuscripts, only 35 contain the whole New Testament as we now know it, and 34 of those were compiled after a.d. 1000. The fact of the matter is that virtually every prophet of the Old and New Testament has added scripture to that received by his predecessors. If the Old Testament words of Moses were sufficient, as some could have mistakenly thought them to be, then why, for example, the subsequent prophecies of Isaiah or of Jeremiah, who follows him? To say nothing of Ezekiel and Daniel, of Joel, Amos, and all the rest. If one revelation to one prophet in one moment of time is sufficient for all time, what justifies these many others? What justifies them was made clear by Jehovah Himself when He said to Moses, “My works are without end, and … my words … never cease.” One Protestant scholar has inquired tellingly into the erroneous doctrine of a closed canon. He writes: “On what biblical or historical grounds has the inspiration of God been limited to the written documents that the church now calls its Bible? … If the Spirit inspired only the written documents of the first century, does that mean that the same Spirit does not speak today in the church about matters that are of significant concern?” We humbly ask those same questions." - Jeffrey R. Holland / My Words Never Cease www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2008/04/my-words-never-cease?lang=eng

Funny thing is Deuteronomy 4:2 says this " Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." By Your Logic the New Testament is added work, therefore of the Devil. Also what about the Older Documents of the Bible? Some are older than the KJV, the Bible was very written in English, it was translated in English, Big difference.

Everything you said is correct. They are three separate personages. The father and the son both have separate bodies of flesh and bone.

But they are not 3 separate gods they are one God

I agree, Jesus is the only way to heaven. And the father and the son are one in purpose.

Keep in mind I think mormonism is false and as I Christian please read the entire Bible Amen

Read Genesis 2: 24

Have you read the Book of Mormon?

Have you read the Book of Mormon?

You keep talking as if you know what is in the Book of Mormon, but you haven't read it for yourself, correct?

@@CalledtoShare I’ve read many parts of it and it is heretical I’ve read about 60%

@@CalledtoShare when do you think Christianity messed up

This is from the Book of Mormon, the sacred book of scripture that Joseph Smith translated: "For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile." - 2 Nephi 26: 33

@@CalledtoShare “And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.” 2 Nephi 5:21

@@CalledtoShare if Christ is unchanging because he is God, then why do the Book of Mormon and the Bible offer such different accounts of creation. Why is there no mention about Christians becoming gods when we die in the Bible if the unchanging Jesus was responsible for both the Book of Mormon and the Bible from your view?

If the cursing were black skin, as I think you are implying, then verse 24 would not make any sense: "24 And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey."

@@lightning_5016 3 Nephi 2:15 Dark skin can turn white

What is more valuable to you, what a biblical scholar says or your own personal experience?

@@CalledtoShare the latter is _very_ vague, and depending on your definition, also very unreliable & fallible

Would relying on a Biblical scholar's word or reading the Book of Mormon for yourself be the better route?

@@CalledtoShare Personally I find no reason to trust the reliability of the Book of Mormon historically or logically. The original tablets which are allegedly the base of the Book were written 400 AD correct? I find no evidence there was any migration of Hebrews from 600 BC or following, as they simply lacked the technology and there is no historically verifiable source to support it other than the book that we're trying to authenticate. Not only that it contradicts core Jewish/Hebrew teachings; one prime example is that God the Father is not comprised of a physical form- he's a transcendent spiritual being. Though we do agree God the Son technically _did_ take *on* the form of a man, but in his natural form he is not a physical being. In Addition to this, the Bible explicitly states God (meaning Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) are of One being despite being distinct in relation to each other and are all eternal and uncreated. Now my second gripe is I dont trust the alleged prophet Joseph Smith. He claimed to have written the BM based on the already dubious scripture (which I heard is for some odd reason written in Egyptian/Coptic?), yet the source artifact itself is nowhere to be found so we can verify Joseph Smith _actually_ wrote whats in the BM. Also he's repeatedly made prophecies that haven't come true. Such as his prediction in 1836 that the end was coming soon, when in 1832 he prophesied that a LDS temple would be built in Independence, Missouri within his generation and to this day has yet to be started on, and how he also is reported to have claimed there were people on the moon. Finally his lifestyle was dubious as well, in addition to false prophecy he also supported and engaged in polygamy, a sharp contradiction to biblical teaching. Those are the main reasons I politely rebuke the faith of Mormonism. Regardless of my stance I wish to make it clear I do not harbor any ill will to the people in said faith, most mormons I've meet are very kind people.

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Jesus was born at Jerusalem > kzfaq.infoCpAX6PYtdMk?si=xQqM8gInOrg4vWxr

EXACTLY! That's why after baptism our priesthood bretheren do the confirmation and state "receive the Holy Ghost." 🕊🕊🕊

​@@guardianangel9517 I'll answer your inquiry. It was because those men were not baptized by the proper priesthood authority. They claimed to have been but they was not, they was baptized by someone who saw how John baptized but whoever that individual was the scripture is silent but we can conclude that they was not baptized by John neither did they know what John had taught in his preaching nor of Jesus Christ of whom John testified of. Let's read a few, Acts 19:2-6 "He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, WE HAVE NOT SO MUCH AS HEARD WHETHER THERE BE ANY HOLY GHOST. 3 And he said unto them, UNTO WHAT THEN WERE YE BAPTIZED? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, JOHN VERILY BAPTIZED with the baptism of repentance, SAYING UNTO THE PEOPLE, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE ON HIM WHICH SHOULD COME AFTER HIM, THAT IS, ON CHRIST JESUS. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied" They claimed to have been baptized unto John's baptism but they wasn't baptized unto John's baptism because John taught that, Matt 3:11, see also Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:" If they had been baptized after John's baptism they would have known about Jesus Christ and the power and authority He had to baptized not just with water but with fire and the Holy Ghost as Paul affirms. For John taught all in his preaching about Christ and his higher authority he would hold. Paul received and held that same authority Christ held and so he baptized them and laid his hands upon them to give them the Holy Ghost for thus was the promise of God. Hopefully this answers your inquiry 🙏🏽

Have you compared the number of his supposed failed prophecies to the number of prophecies that came to pass?

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Very interesting that an angel appeared to Mary as well to announce the birth of Jesus.

@@CalledtoShare yes but the difference is, it only reminded her of revelation already given. No new revelation was given. It was prophesied from gen3 that a new Adam will come. Same in Acts 10. The angel could not bring the gospel. It could only direct to a person of the way or as we are called Christian. Paul also warned saying that if any creature brings a different gospel they must be condemned. As you were a pastor, you should know that revelation is never a stand alone. Revelation always have two parts, it confirms and or contains the old and then points to something to come. So the onus is on you to show in scripture where it revealed that a new thing will come from an angel and that this angel are not bringing false gospel like Paul and Jesus warned and why this angel has more authority than the angel in Acts ten and why this angel is not Satan masquerading as an agent of light. And The angel told her and Joseph to call him God with us. So that means that Jesus is God, with us.

"yes but the difference is, it only reminded her of revelation already given. No new revelation was given." This is false. She learned from the angel that she would be the mother of the Son of God. *And the angel Moroni did not reveal a new gospel to the prophet Joseph Smith, it was a restoration of the true gospel of Jesus Christ that had been corrupted over time. Same gospel as Jesus taught while on earth.

@@CalledtoShare Mary was only the vessel. If God wanted to take on cursed flesh, he needed/decided to enter through birth. But unto us a Son is given and unto us a child is born. This was revealed hundreds of years before. And you missed the point. New revelation is always anchored in the old. "Mary you will be the mother if Jesus, because it was prophesied.." There is no place for a new gosepl. And yes Mormonism is a new/different gospel. It demotes Jesus to a mere human, it makes us humans to be and become gods (which flies in the face of the Shema) and it steals from Jesus' promise that he will send the Holy Spirit as the final revelation of God.

@@CalledtoShare sounds exactly like Islam. Is allah the deceiver your God? Is Joseph just the western Mohammed?

Great point!

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Who said Jesus was an angel?

@@F-22raptorNottheusaAirforce Yes, you are correct.

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@@CalledtoShare do you know now pls let me I am asking nice