She is still taller than Jon.

Thom Pollard has said he took them. He was one of the two people who dug the body up on May 16th and took Mallory's pants, underwear, boots, watch, etc. Head over to his KZfaq channel and ask him about it if you really really need to know.

You have to also take into consideration that some climbers like Anitoli Bukriev were born and live at high altitudes as opposed to others who live lower elevations

Who, you? Bc Mr Tracy has summited Everest at least once. You must have missed the vids here and there where he mentions or shows his own photos/ footage. Tho he might agree he can be nerdy, having written a textbook to do with, I believe, computer programming. Cheers

nobody is forcing you to watch that particular video and waste time to comment if you're not interested, is that really so hard to understand for some folks?

This is the history of mountaineering. Historians constantly examine and reevaluate evidence and conclusions.

You being held prisoner on this teeny tiny You Tube.

@@kris6850 I like Michael's videos and I am aware that Krakauer is a liar so there is no need to go on and on about it, and I did not watch the video.

Considering the lack of facts these days in pretty much everything in life, I don't find an issue with someone giving extra facts about a situation. Especially since the facts being given, or corrected, are about a story told by someone who is referenced frequently only because their version of events just happened to become the most "famous".

She didn’t need either of them, because she caused the storm.

The devil whispered "you can not handle the storm". Sandy Pittman replied "I am the storm." -John Krakauer

No one forces you to watch them. And if you have to point it out to other viewers, then perhaps it is not as obvious a "personal vendetta" as you think. Not sure why you bothered posting this.

Projection?

You are just inventing things without reading what you wrote. Where does she say they waited on lines to be fixed? She didn't. She said the opposite. She said they were waiting on the oxygen. "After waiting for more than an hour the oxygen bottles finally arrived and someone produced just enough rope for Anatoli to fix the Step;..." As I have stated numerous times, they were waiting for the oxygen to arrive. The climbers (Fox included) had been climbing up on 100% fixed ropes prior to summit day. Many incorrectly assumed that 100% of the route would have been fixed -- just as 100% of the route below the South Col was fixed. This was just an incorrect assumption. It did not cause anyone to wait. Simply taking a quote and trying to make it say what you want is disingenuous. All she says is that some Sherpas didn't fix the route -- a fact we all agree on. What she does not say is "Because the Sherpa didn't fix the route, we have to wait for it to be fixed." That is simply not true. Instead, "Because the Sherpa didn't fix the route, we climbed without fixed ropes." Fox, like Gammelgaard chose to wait at South Summit for Boukreev to head over and fix the Hillary Step. As it took Boukreev a few minutes to fix the step, this wait was about 10-15 minutes. They could have mitigated it by starting out from South Summit earlier, but 10-15 minutes is not a big deal. The delay at the Hillary Step was caused by Yasuko Namba -- not people waiting on ropes to be fixed.

@@michaeltracy2356 It's sounded to me like the lack of fixed ropes ahead of time caused delays. She says it a number of times. e.g. from her 1997 account, A Time to Live, A Time to Die: "After more waiting for Anatoli and the Rob Hall client, Jon Krakauer, to fix the line.."

You are just doing "history by quotation." You find a quote that you think fits your theory and then take it to mean exactly what you want it to mean without any regard for reality. Krakauer didn't fix any line. So, if she was waiting on Krakauer to fix a line, she was going to be waiting a long time. What she is referring to is waiting for them to make the traverse over to the Hillary Step where Boukreev would fix the line. There is a photo of the time shortly after that -- I do a whole video on it. Fox would have been close to Lopsang and is below Pittman. So, Fox is in the line of people somewhere and is walking -- not waiting. When she is walking, all the ropes ahead of her are fixed. So, where is she waiting on anyone to fix a rope? She isn't. You want to take one quote that seems to agree with what you want reality to be and ignore everything else. When you read Gammelgaards account, it fills in the missing details. They agreed to stay together -- Fox and Gammelgaard, Madson, at that point. So, they waited together at South Summit until they all headed over together -- which can be seen in the photo from Scott Fischer. But you need so badly for them to be waiting on ropes to be fixed that you ignore everything else that anyone says. You ignore the photos. Everything so your theory can be correct. Fox waited for the oxygen to be brought up. She when voluntarily chose to wait at South Summit with her group while others went over the climb the Hillary Step -- Sandy Pittman, for instance. So, if Sandy Pittman is climbing the step, how is Fox waiting on ropes to be fixed at the same time? Fox's language is not entirely precise and that she is referring to Krakauer fixing some rope -- an event which never happened, you should not have your entire theory rely on that one quote. You can just quote Krakauer, "Rendered dumb with awe and fatigue, I took some photos, then sat down with guides Andy Harris, Neal Beidleman, and Anatoli Boukreev to wait for the Sherpas to fix ropes along the spectacularly corniced summit ridge." Krakauer, Jon. Into Thin Air (p. 186). It doesn't matter that Krakauer wrote that he was waiting on Sherpas to fix that rope. That section of rope was never fixed, so Krakauer clearly was not waiting on it. When you look at the other events around what happened at South Summit, you see that people were waiting on oxygen and not fixed ropes. Once the oxygen arrived, they immediately left to fix the ropes. But Krakauer has a problem with that story as his oxygen had not arrived. The Mountain Madness oxygen had. Instead, he makes the story that everyone was sitting around like a bunch of idiots waiting on fixed ropes. See, I quoted him saying that. But that doesn't make it true. Charolotte Fox's statement about waiting on the oxygen matches up with the account in The Climb as well as Krakauer's own account of when people arrived at South Summit. So, it is not just taking a quotation and saying "Fox says they were waiting on oxygen so it must be true." I look at all the fact around why people were waiting at South Summit and regardless of what Fox said, you could easily deduce that people were waiting on oxygen to be brought up. Krakauer and Harris left before their oxygen had been brought up -- and they ran out of oxygen. It was Krakauer's rush to get to the summit before their oxygen came up that was largely responsible for Harris' death. Hence, Krakauer changes the story so it is not obvious that Krakauer's rush to be the first to the summit is what killed his guide. Much better to blame it on "fixed ropes."

Klev and Lee passed Namba well below the Balcony. Groom's version is different, and he does not have Namba with him when he encounters Weathers. Weathers was blind at the time, so it is not clear how he was able to see who was with Groom so clearly. He may have mistaken Martin Adams for Namba. Beidleman's Choice takes place on the largely flat portion of the climb shortly above South Col. Deviating a hundred yards to the skier's left and then backtracking 100 yards is much longer than the straight time distance --- just use Pythagorean theorem. Beck was sort of buried in the snow, it was getting dark, and they were not looking for people sitting in the snow. But their encountered Namba hundreds of feet below that. The Weathers account requires Groom to have told Namba to descend on her own while he assisted Weathers. Not only did Groom say this is not what happened, but it would be difficult to believe that even if Groom told her to go ahead by herself that she would listen to him. More than likely, if he did issue such a bizarre statement, she would have stayed with him. The only scenario that makes sense is Groom's account of him sending Namba down with Krakauer and Krakauer later abandoning her. Had she been alone at any time prior to that, Ang Dorje passed her and it is difficult to believe he would simply speed past her if she was alone. The most likely explanation for Ang Dorje not assisting her is that she was descending with someone else. As Groom reported meeting Dorje on his re-assent and Namba was clearly not climbing back up the mountain with Mike Groom to assist Rob Hall, this only leaves one other option -- that Groom's account is correct and Namba was descending with Krakauer.

Thanks for sharing. Great video of the SE Ridge route!

How is hind sight relevant to this video?

@@michaeltracy2356 Analysis of the past.

Then you didn't read Krakauer's book. These videos are for people who have read Krakauer's book "Into Thin Air". In that book, he refers to the Japanese climber as a "Westerner." As these videos are analyzing his book, I use the same language and explain what it means any why both Krakauer and myself use that language. Perhaps read the book first and then these videos will make more sense to you. If you are confused about Krakauer's use of the term, please contact him and tell him you were confused by it. Millions of others who read his book were not.

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