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@ozoneflysurfer9491
@ozoneflysurfer9491 4 күн бұрын
Excellent review🙏
@Alfonso_111
@Alfonso_111 20 күн бұрын
Good review, thanks. Have you considered the new KT Ginxu?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 20 күн бұрын
Not really. Alltough the new Ginxu 2 model is longer, for the conditions we get I think it will be more difficult to get up on a similar size. The Ginxu Super K is a different story. The 92 gets going faster then fast. Now gone compare the Drifter 80 and super k 80.
@stevenhamerlinck6832
@stevenhamerlinck6832 21 күн бұрын
Raad je dit board aan voor intermediate winger met Spitfire 960/780 en 72kg ? ik vaar nu met North Sleek 75ltr.
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 20 күн бұрын
Ja, het model zo ie zo. De maat hangt natuurlijk ook af van je gewicht.
@vigolivenca
@vigolivenca 21 күн бұрын
You could have compared how the two bords handle foil drive, not just the new board. Thanks
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 21 күн бұрын
Big difference. As mentioned there is a gap between the FD and the 56l Wing Drifter. So much more rocker and it costs a lot of effort to get on to a smaller foil. Think I had about 10 sessions untill I got a dedicated FD board (Axis) which almost has no rocker. Where with the Wing drifter I almost ran out of 17sec boost time on a Axis foils Spitfire 900, I almost dont need boost on the dedicated board. And for the new Drifter 4.. I only tried one time so far. But I think it sits in between, so much easier.
@Jeroensurf
@Jeroensurf 23 күн бұрын
Mooie vergelijking Kris :) Ik hou het nog ff bij het de nu overjarige 5.4, maar wie weet in de toekomst. :)
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 23 күн бұрын
Dankje Jeroen. Hopelijk gaat het niet teveel kriebelen ;) De 'oude' 5.4 is natuurlijk gewoon een heerlijk board!
@nfinnigan
@nfinnigan 28 күн бұрын
I agree 100% with what you say. I have way more fun and enjoy a bigger board than a smaller board. Bigger board you can get started way easier, get on the foil faster, way less energy used, and you learn faster. Small board, I don't see the benefit of it, apart from storage and transportation. For me, I have 2 boards which are Starboard wingboards, 6.3 carbon and 5.2 light tech. The 5.2 weight is probably 0.8kg heavier than the 6.3 carbon board. The 5.2 light tech board does take more effort to get on the foil and hard work, so I far prefer going out on the 6.3 board in any conditions. I fell for the (You need a smaller board hype) YOU DONT. Many thanks, Enjoy, we are all different, LOL.
@LexLissauer
@LexLissauer Ай бұрын
Hoi Kristian, ik ben zo langzamerhand de Wave Chaser wel ontgroeid. Kleinste wat ik heb gevaren tot nu toe is de North Seek 77 liter. Die was goed te bestijgen in choppy condities en vond ik het lekkerste en makkelijkste varen tot nu toe: Conclusie: Als je er op kunt komen is kleiner beter. Jouw review is intussen 2 jaar oud, heb je nieuwe inzichten, wat is nu je favoriete board/merk?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL Ай бұрын
Hi Lex, leuk wat van je te horen op deze manier! Al die tijd mijn favoriete board gebleven!! Maar, ik heb nu de nieuwe Drifter 4 van KT. Ook 56l en daar moet ik nu de review van opnemen. Of hij beter is of niet kan natuurlijk niet verklappen 😂
@LexLissauer
@LexLissauer Ай бұрын
@@WingsurferNL Ik wacht met spanning af. Voorlopig blijf ik nog met mijn 2e hands 90L AK downwind board spelen, totdat ik niet na elke gijp weer op mijn board moet klimmen.
@yoramvandam
@yoramvandam 2 ай бұрын
Het is een korte (uitstekende) video; het geluid is origineel zonder dat er muziek wordt gespeeld, wat leert over het geluid van de motor. (Orgineel idee). Het was succesvol als je fotografie vanaf een drone (DJI) of vanaf de kust combineerde - je begint niet met surfen door te liggen, op één been te staan ​​en te staan. Upload meer video's. Verrijkt kennis.
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL Ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Yes I wanted you to give the expierence without music. It's a quick video.. What you suggest would be great! (not as easy with just 2 hands ;))
@bonjourfr6723
@bonjourfr6723 2 ай бұрын
Hello
@garrettpeterson9816
@garrettpeterson9816 3 ай бұрын
This wing vs PNG 910? Do you have any experience with that? Thanks 🙂
@geraldwade9252
@geraldwade9252 3 ай бұрын
'promosm' 💃
@epond1338
@epond1338 4 ай бұрын
Good video. Careful leaving the T nuts in the tracks. I used to do that until one slipped out during transport and wound up puncturing through the bottom of my board. I always store them separately now when travelling. Dont forget to pack a small tube of SolarEZ or marine epoxy for emergency repairs too!
@Watersportsaddiction
@Watersportsaddiction 5 ай бұрын
The guide we needed🫶
@SUPSUNRU
@SUPSUNRU 5 ай бұрын
I use eva flooring pads which connect like puzzle, for extra board protection
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 5 ай бұрын
Nice one, will look in to that one aswell.
@andreasstrack69
@andreasstrack69 5 ай бұрын
Hi, which spitfire do you recommend for 87kg? For most of the time i took my ART1099 and for more Wind the ART899 with the Crazyshort Fuse and 375 Progressive Rear.
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 5 ай бұрын
It depends what you wanna do. Replace the 1099 for light wind by a Spitfire, you would still need something large. Riding swell and chop you can go 1100. But riding breaking waves, you wont hold such a size down. But you might have gotten better by now, so you might get up easier with a smaller foil. For wing I really don't take out larger then the 900. But this size won't be on the foil as quick as the 1099 when the wind is really light.
@larsdegroot
@larsdegroot 5 ай бұрын
23 kilo, dat is niet veel voor zo'n verre bestemming. Ik mocht 30 kilo mee naar Kaapverdië. Ik kwam op 28 kilo, met 2 wings. Maar de tassen van de wings en hoezen allemaal mee. Edit ; Ik heb die wheelbase van prolimit eronder in ;). Daar zit het verschil.
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 5 ай бұрын
Jep bags met wielen zijn chill, maar echt wel een stuk zwaarder! Met vakantievluchten heb je vaak 30 of 32 kg. Met reguliere lijnvluchten meestal minder.
@powis-tv8ln
@powis-tv8ln 6 ай бұрын
What are these anti twist blocks under the footstraps?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 6 ай бұрын
You can see them on the photos here: wingsurfer.shop/product/footstrap-monster-foiling/
@morF1ni
@morF1ni 7 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks! Man I just got the art999, short fuse and 350 progressive. But only have a 90cm 19mm mast tha I use for kiting. would you suggest the 16mm 75cm for my all around prone surfing? or 68cm?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! I would stick with 19mm for prone foiling. It doesn't need the speed that much. 999 is a large span and will benefit from the extra stiffness. But also will be stronger. 75 or 68 will both work. Depends on the depth I'd say. If it doesn't matter go for 75. 68 is quite short. 🤙
@morF1ni
@morF1ni 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your time@@WingsurferNL All the best!
@kdudink
@kdudink 7 ай бұрын
Heey Kristiaan, Ik vaar momenteel rocket wing 70L en ben 72 kg, 189cm Wil heel graag een stap kleiner en het is tijd om naar zee te gaan, Is de kt drifter 50L een mooie keuze? Ben opzoek naar een board tussen de 45/50 liter, of raadt jij een andere maat aan? Groetjes
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 7 ай бұрын
Als fan van vd 56 zou ik zeggen 56 ;) Maar met jouw gewicht zou 50l inderdaad de goede maat moeten zijn. Kleiner is niet perse nodig. Dan wordt het vooral gewoon moeilijker starten.
@blacksheep5736
@blacksheep5736 7 ай бұрын
Hi, a question: do you think the G900 fits on a Sabfoil FS700 or f710 fuselage?
@northyvids
@northyvids 7 ай бұрын
Hi - i see you sell F-one as well...have you tried the Sk8 vs the Spitfire? i have a spitfire 900 but wondering to get smaller 840...or even swap spitfire for SK8 as i only hear good things about this wing / even better than the Spitfire? What do you think of their relative advantages / disadvantages?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 7 ай бұрын
I rode the Sk8 950 a lot this spring. Until the spitfire came along. I thought of doing a comparison, but never got around. Both work great and are in a similar segment. As I never compared in the same conditions it's hard to say what's really different as they are quite similar. I do think the Spitfire can and needs to be ridden a bit more aggressive. As the SK8 might be a bit more forgiving. Spitfire 900 is different then the smaller sizes I think. Atleast for my weight it is. I rather ride the smaller ones when it's on.
@northyvids
@northyvids 7 ай бұрын
Thanks @@WingsurferNL appreciate the feedback! How much do you weigh, again?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 7 ай бұрын
@@northyvids summer weight was on 80 kilo 🤙
@jgorton4
@jgorton4 7 ай бұрын
Finallly, an honest review. Thank you! This was very helpful.
@erikallen5056
@erikallen5056 7 ай бұрын
Perfect review The art 999, short fuze, 375 stab is my daily driver I ride from wind chop to overhead and don’t have an issue ( not sure it’s the best in the bigger waves, it gets stiff on the hi speeds which is good but I’m thinking something can turn better in those situations) Also I’m on aluminum mast I never experienced the drop out you experienced I wonder if your mast was flexing casing the issue I have had that problem with hi aspect wings on No limits mast Nolomtiz is not a stiff mast in my opinion Maybe the new ones are better
@morF1ni
@morF1ni 7 ай бұрын
man I just got the art999, short fuse and 350 progressive. But only have a 90cm 19mm mast tha I use for kiting. would you suggest the 16mm 75cm for my all around prone surfing? or 68cm?
@RonKolijn
@RonKolijn 7 ай бұрын
Hi Kristian. Thanks for this review. As this wing appears to me to have a more 'high profile' kind of shape, how does this Ozone Flux compare to the Strike III? Do you need to adapt your pumping skills in a similar way, to get on foil with little wind... ?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 7 ай бұрын
Hi Ron, it's much easier to get on foil without big pumping adjustments compared to the Strike 3.
@scp8412
@scp8412 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. Does it come with a storage bag?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 7 ай бұрын
It comes with a bag for the components. But not a separate storage bag for the pump.
@Wingfoiler
@Wingfoiler 8 ай бұрын
How would you compare this with the flux 5m?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 8 ай бұрын
Compare what excactly? Speed, waveriding..? As I do more waveriding I prefer the Flux.
@sparky6612
@sparky6612 9 ай бұрын
Great video, I purchased the 926 as a result of your review and really love it, so many thanks. I am using the 72cm mast at the moment but want to ride choppier water but found the 72cm mast was maxing out on the top of the waves, what would you recommend, the 82cm or the 92cm mast for winging, I’m feeling the step from 72 to 82 won’t be very noticeable, what are your thoughts ?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 8 ай бұрын
Thank you, great it helped! 82 is actually quite a nice step. Giving you some space. But if depths alow 92 is much more comfortable.
@sparky6612
@sparky6612 8 ай бұрын
@@WingsurferNL Thanks very much, decisions to be made. 👍
@guillaumegras2200
@guillaumegras2200 9 ай бұрын
Super job, thanks ! I'm doing it the other way than you do: my low wind choice is the Spitfire 960 (replacing that good old HPR 980), its low end ability being useful for knee-high windswell while I take the ART899 once it's stronger (20+ kts) so I can enjoy the glide and not fear the higher stall speed it requires. Using a 375 progressive stab but looking into a skinny 50 to replace it.
@bart-heinmolenkamp9267
@bart-heinmolenkamp9267 9 ай бұрын
Great review discussing the whole range at once!! When looking for a foil that you can throw in the curves from side2side, is the Spitfire, HPS or ART better suited for it?
@cnrd83
@cnrd83 9 ай бұрын
Definitely the Spitfire is a Wave carving machine!
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 8 ай бұрын
@@cnrd83 totally agree on this one!
@aleksandarknezevic5161
@aleksandarknezevic5161 9 ай бұрын
Great review, thanks. I am doing kite foiling and here is my current foil setup: Axis Power Carbon 90cm mast, HPS 650 at the front and Progressive 375 at the back, all that connected via Black Series Short fuselage. The foil is powered and controled by Duotone Mono 7m2 and Duotone Pace 4'6'' foil board. The spot where I ride has the wind up to 20 knots so I was thinking to upgrade the wing setup to: Spitfire 840 at the front and Skinny 360/45. Also, planning to get the Axis Carbon Tray V3 110cm foil board. Any suggestion/comment/advises you can give me would be highly appreciated - thanks.
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 9 ай бұрын
Hi Alek, thanks. As I don't kitefoil I cannot advice you all the way. But as setup, I think the Spitfire 840 can better be matched with a slightly larger skinny. The Spitfires also work well on the advanced fuselages. Not sure where about you are from? But I could get my hands on a Tray v3 - 100 at the moment.
@LixisArgentina
@LixisArgentina 9 ай бұрын
Hi! great review!! very helpful. I am using the art999 mainly for wingfoiling wind bumps here in Buenos Aires, usually up to 18-20 knots and a 5m wing. Sometimes I feel the art 999 is a little stiff to carve aggressively, while it offers good gliding. What I do not understand is why you experience that it takes more speed for the spitfire 840 to get up...being a little thicker and having the same area I guessed it would get up easier...
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 9 ай бұрын
Well with 18-20 knots you will be fine on the 840. I can feel the difference mainly in low wind, or when getting up on with supfoil.
@cnrd83
@cnrd83 9 ай бұрын
It's still the bigger wingspan which counts for an early lift
@andreaskade1048
@andreaskade1048 9 ай бұрын
Nice Review as always!! Is the 5.7 good in the waves in Light wind (for example as good as the 5.5 strike v2) or is it already too big for real fun. And are they both perfekt in tacks or just the 4.3? Thanks
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 9 ай бұрын
Thanks! I've used 4.3/5.0/5.7 and 6.5 by now. First time on the 5.7 it felt a bit larger after a long time using small sizes. But for waveriding it actually still works fine. Not really different then from other brands in this size.
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 9 ай бұрын
Ow and the easy tacking and handling goes for every size🎉
@Charlie-fl1tl
@Charlie-fl1tl 9 ай бұрын
Is this pump waterproof?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 9 ай бұрын
I think it can get a little bit whet on the outside from rain showers. The casing looks solid and the chargers are closed of. But you'd want to avoid water on the air intake.
@Charlie-fl1tl
@Charlie-fl1tl 9 ай бұрын
@@WingsurferNLthanks I was thinking maybe it was an option to take it with me on the water to DW supfoil after defalting the wing. Could inflate it again after the paddle session to get back to shore 🙂
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 9 ай бұрын
@@Charlie-fl1tl I love the idea, but I would not do it with this peace of equipment. If it goes under your stranded.
@Charlie-fl1tl
@Charlie-fl1tl 9 ай бұрын
@@WingsurferNL double safety leashes to the backpack might help but if not 100% waterproof it's no good. something to design for DW foilers I'd say.
@michaelreeks1136
@michaelreeks1136 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review, I am 93KG and have ordered the 105
@janakay7641
@janakay7641 9 ай бұрын
I’m using the 840 with progressive 350 tail on the ultrashort fuse and I love it! I switched from Takuma 980 and find the Spitfire way more forgiving with a much lower stall speed. Wave riding is a dream. I agree that is is a little slower but well worth it. Looking forward to getting the 780.
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for your feedback on this setup!
@o0JUJU0o40
@o0JUJU0o40 8 ай бұрын
Are you prone surfing or winging? What is your weight? Thanks!
@janakay7641
@janakay7641 8 ай бұрын
Just winging for now 💨🦋
@NielsvanderKaaij
@NielsvanderKaaij 9 ай бұрын
Having a HPS 930 rigth now, and looking for more wave, agressive turning I would love to test the 900. 85 kg using the 380 speed backstab and a 88 liter board with 5.0 and 4.0 wings.
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 9 ай бұрын
Welcome to come and try. Though you allready know it... 😅
@sparky6612
@sparky6612 9 ай бұрын
926 or G900 for a first HA wing ? I’m 85k
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 9 ай бұрын
Both will work. G900 is the newer model.
@sparky6612
@sparky6612 9 ай бұрын
@@WingsurferNL Great thanks👍
@northyvids
@northyvids 10 ай бұрын
I bought the 900..now I'm wondering about the 840 or 780! Im 85kg and no so skilled but love wave riding. How much wind do you think the 900 vs 840 vs 780 needs to get on foil for the avg guy?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 10 ай бұрын
It really depends on wing size and conditions aswell. For every step down you need more wind to keep going for a smooth ride. But how much exact is difficult to say. Probably figure out until which wind you are comfortable on for the 900. Then try and imagine in how much more wind you like to be out. If the difference is small, go for one step down. Otherwise go 2 steps down in size. Hope this helps.
@Jeroensurf
@Jeroensurf 10 ай бұрын
Lekker bezig Kris. De spitfires zien er erg aantrekkelijk uit. Ik snap dat je met de kleinere maten beter in de pocket vaart, maar hoe zit het met de glide in de bumps?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 10 ай бұрын
Hi Jeroen, De glide is nog steeds onwijs goed. Uiteraard minder dan bijvoorbeeld dan bij de ART series die erom bekend staan en hogere aspect ratio's hebben. Maar de Spitfires vind ik wel beter werken voor onze Noordzee waar vaak best wat wiebel en lucht inzit.
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 10 ай бұрын
Aanvulling: beter in de pocket in vergelijking tov de ART in vergelijkbare maten. Dus niet persee dat de kleinere maten beter in de pocket varen.
@bjornalm9950
@bjornalm9950 10 ай бұрын
How come the foot straps are offset?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 10 ай бұрын
Can't look in KT's head. But works really well when riding 95% with the same foot in front. Stance is more in the center. Other side being offset in the 'wrong' direction actually just helps going upwind. But would not mind a V-strap option someday.
@bjornalm9950
@bjornalm9950 10 ай бұрын
@@WingsurferNL Ok thanks. I'm at 150 l board at 95kg right now. Conditions not always 15 knots+. Would you go for a 110l or still a "sinker" at 80-90l?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 10 ай бұрын
@@bjornalm9950 You probably don't foil for that long? I would choose something that can still float around 110L Still a big difference ocmpared to 150l in feeling smaller.
@RamonSBruhn
@RamonSBruhn 10 ай бұрын
Hi Kristian!! I am 87 Kg as you and I am riding 5.5x27 88l. I am 50 years young and confident winger, dont jump but like most riding open ocean bumps, some waves and downwinds. I ride in the Atlantic (Canary Islands), we have a lot of chop and wind swell (20 to 30 knots mostly) as you in the Northsea.SHould i go down to 80, 70 or 58 ? My first thought is maybe 70 (15 to 20 less than my weight) if the start in moving water is quiet easy, if not maybe I should be more conservative and go just 8 liter down to 80. A downside is also I think that when you are in shore break you want to get up quickly and if you have to little volume you have to go deeper but maybe a 70 liter board will be a good compromise... other people say that its easier to start sth 30l less than 20l less...Well it would be really a super great help if you can share your thoughts about the boards/volume you have used. Thx a million Kristian!!
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 10 ай бұрын
Hi Ramon, So far what i found is getting up is easier on the 56L - 5'4 KT board, then all boards in between (56 - 80l range) that are shorter in length. Only board that went easier was long, a 5'3 AK board. Shorter board will help with the waveride turny feeling. But I can't help you choose on something I have not ridden. Considering foil placements, I suggest to try an AK phazer 5'3, 65L .
@dksurfer
@dksurfer 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. I currently use the Strike v1 6m as my light wind wing, do you think the 5.7 could replace it or do I need to go for the 6.1 just to be sure to get out on the lightest winds?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 10 ай бұрын
Good question! For the lightest of winds bigger usually works. The CWC v3 6.0 probably had a bit more low end then the 5.7. But it's really a small difference. But cwc becomes powered up more quick. For real low winds I take 7m CWC. 4 knots more and I'm out on the 5.7 flux. 6.5 Flux will have less difference
@bobkowalski4153
@bobkowalski4153 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for your interesting review. Do you think it has better low end then the strike v3? 5.7 compared to the 5.5? But maybe a bit more nervous in freefly then the strike? Have you tried the unit v3?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 10 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yes I think it's easier to get up and going with the Flux. It hsd more pull. With the Strike you really need to pump more. But the yes, the STRIKE wins in freefly. Just the best in doing that.
@raymondwitvoet
@raymondwitvoet 11 ай бұрын
Herkenbaar
@ianbisson9669
@ianbisson9669 11 ай бұрын
What options are there for Dock starting with Phantasm set ups? I wing and kite but keen to push Dock starts by getting a set up
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 11 ай бұрын
Hi Ian, I know people do it on the E series. Mostly the E1090.
@david-johnmonney5230
@david-johnmonney5230 11 ай бұрын
Great video! How different is it from the Takuma RS ? Handles, weight, low end, high end, construction...😊
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 11 ай бұрын
Thanks! The shape of the RS handles feels better. Probably because of the angle in the front handle. Build quality of the handles is better on the KT. They probably weigh about the same. Wind range on the RS is wider. It has a better high wind range. Construction.. Time will tell... But kt is 'simpler', which generally lasts longer.
@david-johnmonney5230
@david-johnmonney5230 11 ай бұрын
@@WingsurferNL legend 👍
@gerritraupach9059
@gerritraupach9059 11 ай бұрын
Great, thanks, my V3 5 Sqm behaves exactly as you describe. You „praise“ the cwc for light wind. For the v2 cwc I agree. Question: doesn’t the V3 cwc have the same low wind pumping problem compared to the V2? I fear yes…? Thanks for an indication. Gerrit (expecting the 6 cwc V3 soon😮)
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 11 ай бұрын
V1 and v2 CWC where basicly the same, different colors. The CWC always had a deeper, more 'baggie' design over the normal Strike. Same for the V3 cwc I think. But I did not try this one. It's been to windy here and the focus lately has been on 4m wings. 4m strike really performs well by the way! 6m cwc is on stock by the way.
@mikemiller774
@mikemiller774 11 ай бұрын
There is a Swing 3 out, that is meant for wave. Would be good to compare.
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 11 ай бұрын
Yes it would be. So far none in the planning, but who knows!
@alfskaar489
@alfskaar489 11 ай бұрын
I'm curious to what model you have here can’t find anyone that is 44L ? ROCKET WING 4’8 142 x 56 x 8,7 cm, 50 L
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 11 ай бұрын
It's an older model. 2/3 years old. This video was recorded almost 2 years ago by now. 📹
@northyvids
@northyvids 11 ай бұрын
Great review - appreciate the "honest" feedback on the positives and negatives - and thanks for doing it in English! PS Any plans to review the new Swing v3?
@WingsurferNL
@WingsurferNL 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! Swing V3, only if F-one sends me one to try.