​ @Padraigp No, I'm afraid that you still haven't quite understood it. When we say an argument "begs the question," we're pointing out that the argument is circular, with the conclusion assumed in the premise. Your examples raise important questions but do not demonstrate this specific logical fallacy. I explained it in a bit more detail above.

@Nilguiri hmm, I've not got it. I've read some examples, and they all have therfore in them. Which never happens in real life. I dont think I'll get it. My son is now using programming to show me something ... lol. I did help him find how to remove a column from his programming layout so I'm now going to out a saucepan on my head bang it with a spoon and " I am so great for a while" .... Oh, apparently, it's from Greek meaning to assume a specific thing. And begging a question was breaking a rule in this old Greek game. I read the wiki and my brain is melting. Ok. Thanks for melting my 🧠!!

Absolutely also trying to prove that going to spain is a good idea begs the proof of the premise that we have enough money. So according to her technical definition the use example actually fits that perfectly because whether spain is a good idea or not is something which relies on the premise of having the money to go to spain. Right? Not that I'm sure that's actually what it means because she really didn't explain it well at all.

​@@Padraigp No, her example about Spain was not a valid example of begging the question but an example of its misuse, where "raises the question" would be the correct way to phrase it. "Spending the summer in Spain sounds like a great idea, but it raises the question of how we can actually afford it." would be the correct form. This statement raises a valid and practical question about affordability. It doesn't assume within its premise that spending the summer in Spain is affordable or a great idea due to affordability, which is why it is not a valid example of begging the question. It seems you are conflating "begging the question" with "raising a relevant concern" and are incorrectly applying the logical fallacy term to a situation where one part of the argument (going to Spain is a good idea) requires additional practical information (whether we can afford it). Also, in that example, there is no circular reasoning where the premise assumes the conclusion. So, the example does not fit the definition of "begging the question" because it raises a practical concern rather than assuming the conclusion within the premise. It would have been helpful if she had included an actual example of begging the question, but she only gave an example of its misuse. "To beg the question" means to make an argument where the premise relies on the conclusion being true, which is a circular and flawed way of reasoning. This can often be spotted when the argument essentially restates the conclusion in different words without offering actual evidence. An example of begging the question might be: "Exercise is healthy because it is good for you." This assumes that being 'good for you' is the same as being 'healthy,' which is precisely what we are setting out to demonstrate. A better way of phrasing it to avoid begging the question might be: "Exercise is healthy because it improves cardiovascular health, increases muscle strength, and reduces stress." This provides evidence supporting why exercise is considered healthy. Other examples might be: "Democracy is the best form of government because democratic governments are the most effective." This argument begs the question as to whether democratic governments are truly the most effective. It assumes their effectiveness without providing supporting evidence. Reading is essential for improving vocabulary because good vocabulary comes from reading." This argument begs the question as to whether reading is indeed the only way to improve vocabulary. It assumes that reading is necessary without providing evidence for it. Our product is the best on the market because we sell more of it than anyone else." This argument begs the question as to whether higher sales necessarily mean the product is the best. It assumes that more sales equate to better quality without offering any evidence. Hope that helps!

@@Nilguiri that's very long and I haven't got time to read it but I'll have a look later when I have a full few minutes to sit and take a look properly thanks.

@@Nilguiri ok actually read your last and first paragraphs and that makes sense. So if somone said spain is a great idea cos the flights are cheap that would beg the question as to whether cheap is a good reasoning for a holiday to be good. Is that right? Or if I said it would be great to bring the dog to the beach for a fun day out because there's lots of water that would beg the question does your dog like the water?

​@@Padraigp Yeah, sorry my reply was a bit long, maybe I repeated myself while trying to explain it, but I did give a few examples which should provide some context about it. No, I'm afraid that you still haven't quite understood it. The statement, "Spain is a great idea because the flights are cheap." doesn't beg the question in the logical sense. It raises the question of whether cheap flights are sufficient justification for considering Spain a great idea. It's not circular reasoning; it's just prompting further evaluation of the rationale. In the case of, "It would be great to bring the dog to the beach for a fun day out because there's lots of water", similarly, this statement raises the question of whether the dog enjoys water, but it doesn't beg the question. It's presenting a reason (lots of water) and prompting further consideration (does the dog like water?), not assuming the conclusion within the premise, which is the fundamental idea of begging the question. So, when we say an argument "begs the question," we're pointing out that the argument is circular, with the conclusion assumed in the premise. Your examples raise important questions but do not demonstrate this specific logical fallacy. I hope this helps clarify the distinction! I live in Spain, btw, and would definitely recommend bringing your dog to the beach here in Spain! Cheers.

The American equivalent is probably "Sketchy"

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Love Hermione so much!

It is so difficult. One of the hardest accents to imitate but I might give it a try. Better get practising!

@@LoveEnglishwithLeilaSabrah do yer worst, Ill try and give ye good stuff, spose I'm mostly numb to now. Here's a funny.. our wee son 10 can flip back n forth accents.. for her mummy wanna go "daintian".. and for me dad wanna go downtown ;)

Originally yes.

@@LoveEnglishwithLeilaSabrah cooooooool I went there years ago and I visited the Beatles child hood