I can’t think of a better teacher than repetition. ESUs work volume is unmatched. If you go to a job and walk away feeling you got “lucky”, then you’re not up to snuff with your knowledge of your job.

Legendary police officer but the interviewer sometimes derailed the interview by making comments to sound like he "had been there". I know it's knit picking but I see it a lot on KZfaq involving interviews with military pilots and police officers being interviewed by a former colleague. It's annoying. The interviewer shouldn't worry about making sure everyone knows he's as cool as his subject.

Question for the Lt. Do you find that operators use the negotiation skills while operating in a tactical environment, even if they're not assigned that role? An operator who still has contact with the susp perhaps engaging in negotiating type activities while on the stack?

Good morning América

One the most insightful military leader of our time. His ability to plan and conduct special operations intimidated many General Officers during our generation. While many were promoted to the highest levels they were promoted not on intellectual prowess and common sense leadership but on posturing and political activities. Pete was a driven leader who did what was best for his men and mission accomplishments in the most challenging environments.

I can't believe the balls on that supervisor near the end. Says "oh it worked out! See? You didn't need explosives!" just based on mere luck that the suspect opened up the door on his own. Facepalm. What a real ivory tower jerk.

Legitimately excited for the DME format. Our team can really benefit from that. Thank you for doing what you do, Jon!

🎉I think all firefighters 🚒 are superheroes no matter where they are in the world 🎉thankyou for all you do 🎉

Absolutely one of the most phenomenal episodes yet; thank you, Jon and Brittany!

As a third generation member of ESU (1986-1998) I have pretty good understanding of how ESU evolved. Probably the question I get asked most often is: "why does ESU do so many things that are traditionally done by the fire department". The answer is simple. The NYC Charter which outlines the roles and responsibility of each city agency had for close to 100 years outlined the duties of the fire department, those duties were limited to fire prevention and fire extinguishment, PERIOD. All other NON-FIRE emergencies was the purview of The City of New York Police Department. When it became apparent that a separate unit in the NYPD was needed to handle these NON-FIRE emergencies, Emergency Service Division and eventually the Emergency Service Unit (ESU) was formed. In order to meet these requirements members of ESU had to be training in, first aid, water rescues, building collapses, high angle rope rescue, Haz-Mat and other NON-FIRE emergencies. In-fact up until as recently as the late 50's the a FDNY alarm and dispatch system was in each of the Emergency Squads throughout the city. Whereby the Fire Department would dispatch ESU units to various NON-FIRE emergencies through their alarms system (rings & bells), just like it did in dispatching fire companies from a fire station. It was not until 1989 that the City of New York amended it's Charter and shifted some of the NON-FIRE emergencies to the fire department. It was not until 1996 when FDNY absorbed the Emergency Medical Service (EMS) from the NYC Health and Hospital Corporation that Firefighters began First Responder Medical Training and started carrying oxygen on fire trucks. For a host of reasons ESU maintains it's training levels so that they can deal with ANY crisis that arrises. There are individual stories as to how and why certain Haz-Mat assignments, water rescues and other calls continue to be be the responsibility of NYPD ESU but that would take far more time to explain. I hope this helps explain some of the mystery of why ESU does what it does.

Thank you officers for what you do for us.

Curious why nypd and not fdny doesnt do the rope and water rescue?

Always nice to see/listen to another interview with Lionel. Endless amount of respect for the DSU (and any other anti-terror group)

Emoygency soyveses unit

I want to become a full-time ERT operator. Currently undergoing the application process to join the RCMP. What are some things I can do to increase the chances of me living my dream job?

My respect for every officer god bless. Thanks for your service brother

lol "premier unit" and also "ND's into wall because cant use a weapon light properly"

My nephew is the k9 handler for the legendary ESU.

Oh wow I’m so impressed

First on scene lol

Great, engaged leader who continues to contribute in his 5th decade.

Het boek reeds enige tijd terug gelezen maar toch hier weer even mee genomen tot aan het bewuste huis met bijkomende details.

Endless respect for the DSU, I have read the book by Lionel D. In my eyes heroes

Lio ! 👏👏👏👏🇧🇪 respect .. and very good book .. In French - Terrorist Hunter | Editions Racine

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Had the good fortune to host an LAPD SWAT exercise at an LA medical center in the 1990's. Was also invited to a SWAT exercise in downtown LA. And was involved in a hospital hostage taking with SWAT. World class experiences and many great memories. Mike Albanese left a major impression on me.

Leave and call the national guard.

10:45 "and they're usually all relatives" I mean no disrespect but I couldn't help but laugh at that

Oh, in kentucky? Is that what all those helecopters flying around were doing?

This was a great interview with good takeaways. The truth of the story should have been told sooner by the department. I remember when only the prosecutor attorney was the only one saying what happened was lawful.

The addition of time stamps would be nice.

Dolph Lundgren on the right.

Loved being a part of this - thank you Jon for having me on The Debrief. Hope this helps folks across all of the domains we work in!

Claire is an amazing doctor. What an inspiration.

I read his book years ago, and so much of his critique of military leadership helped me feel like I wasn't crazy for the reasons I had for walking away from the military. I've learned a lot from him, so it is exciting to see interviews with him being readily available.

Such a well told story, I felt like I was there with a 2 way radio on another frequency.

How could the media get away with lying about this?

This was a fantastic interview. I am a follower of Cleared Hot for a couple of years but I am 100% following this channel with how you lead this interview.

Wish we had internet for insights like this when I was graduating college and wanted to join the teams I’m pretty sure I thought myself out of it and realize I prob would have made a good one tbh

wow. super solid episode. thank you for providing this.

Always - talk to the guy on the ground - get them talking. They will expose critical points that you may not have thought of just through speaking in their train of thought.

Mr stumph is a inspiration

“Naval Surface Warfare Development Group” made me chuckle. Let’s start calling Andy a SWO.

Great Podcast. The UK's 10-second triage has also been adopted by Kenya, where I work , but it is very slow to get the word or training out. Not as much of a push to adopt as in the UK.

My Opinion, for what its worth. I had a ten year career in the military before I became a Police Officer. I spent the later part of my career teaching tactical medicine at school houses. I only have three years on as a cop, but my agency gave me the ability to help teach our periods of medical instruction. I see a lot of TCCC/TECC courses out there. There is a difference between teaching a all combatants TCCC course to a Marine rifle platoon, tacmed to a tactical team, and a patrol level course. There are scopes of practice issues and various other nuances that mean you cant cookie cut templates. Every acadamy class I have cadets wanting to know why I dont teach x skill. Needle D's are a prime example. Its because one must understand the history of the CoTCC, the history and reasoning of the CLS program, the evacuation infrastuture that was built around, and how that system compare to you the Officer legally. Its not sexy to learn basic bleeding control. It does what needs to be done for our situation and keeps you employed and not in a iso cell someplace. I see this type of thing across tactical disciplines, this mirroring. Policing is fundementally different than what I did in afghanistan and iraq. Things from it are relevant at the table, but you have to parse through it. There are a lot of people and places who are having issues with that right now.

The best set of questions put to the Unit CSM across all platforms. A lot to learn from both sides.

Thank you for the excellent and most needed introduction. These officers, first responders, and all involved are ALL heroes. Most risked their lives, one lost his life, some provided medical assistance, and others helped guide these heroes in search for the suspect and killer of their LEO. ALL were affected by this event. Bless you all. A most HUMBLE thank you for your service and sacrifices. RIP #809 Never forget. 🙏🏼🇺🇸🫡

The fact they are not armed, guns in car and have to get permission to do so is insane.

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There are very few men/women that are true leaders. I was a LAPD police officer for 30 years. This man is one of those few who were TRULY leaders who I would die for if he gave me a order that I might not comeback from! This man would have been the best Chief ever for LAPD!