They took the montante, but use the federschwert technique
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingКүн бұрын
A lot of Longsword “techniques” don’t work too well actually. Liechtenauer’s five strikes have very limited usability. So it’s mostly simple cuts and thrusts or attempted feints at the proper distance
@blarpusКүн бұрын
Turns out a two handed sword is a two handed sword
@spicketspaghet7773Күн бұрын
Truthfully this is not a very good montante simulator. It's far too short and light. It's better as a spadone. At like, 4.15 lbs it's a good bit lighter than almost all historical examples of the weapon.
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingКүн бұрын
I haven’t really looked into the two-handed sword variants. But also am definitely on the smaller side compared to the people that would have used such swords historically - usually specifically pointed out to be very big and strong men. For me it’s a two-handed sword and very different in handling and what I can do with it compared to my usual longswords.
@ossian1977Күн бұрын
Finally some montante sparring! I always hear "it s too dangerous" , " it can t be done" . Well here it is, and with steel!
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingКүн бұрын
Yeah it certainly can be dangerous specially with some other heavier examples. And we are definitely not playing “tournament level” intense. But still there is a lot of options to play with and it’s perfectly fine to do it like that.
@N38Productions3 күн бұрын
Those effortless parries are so great
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing3 күн бұрын
Thanks 🙏
@ultimomos59184 күн бұрын
honestly looking great for a new student! Solid structure and intuition!
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing3 күн бұрын
I think so too! She has watched a lot of fencing but only now starts and I am pretty happy with the super quick development.
@miroslavm25035 күн бұрын
Most people who participant in tournaments have no, or very little, edge orientation awareness. It's litery an after tought.
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing5 күн бұрын
Some people absolutely don’t care about edge or flat. Some try to go with edge on but it’s less of a concern. Most people I know do their best to work with the edge.
@miroslavm25035 күн бұрын
Two of the hits where clearly flat hits, the fact that those counted as valid hits is all that is wrong and stupid about modern day HEMA tournaments. Just heard the other day from a friend who competed, than during the state tournament in Serbia, just recently (only for people from Serbia) in the smallsword category no clinch/wrestling was allowed.
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing5 күн бұрын
Some tournaments allow flat hits and some don’t. There is plenty of variety of rulesets and everyone can choose what to attend. At this one they were allowed so no one can complain about them. I’ve only done one sparring and one tournament with smallsword so I have very limited view on it. But haven’t noticed much grappling even when it’s allowed so maybe it’s not much of a need there.
@timhema53437 күн бұрын
Would the strike at 01:15 (flat rising "cut" to the hand with zero angle) would have been counted as a hit in this ruleset ? 🤔
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing7 күн бұрын
In almost all cases yes. Several of those were counted in my matches too. Some with even less of a wind up(smaller arcs).
@timhema53437 күн бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing I thought so, because after this one some very flat hits were counted. To be honest, I like all tournaments being different and with different rulesets, but in the last tournament where I was a ref, 75% of these hits would have been rejected (yours were fine)... Especially this very flat and very uncontrolled gayszlen at 02:52.
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing6 күн бұрын
I would say this was of the more controlled and better one handed strikes I encountered. As far as tournaments goes - ruleset are known before sign up, so if I join something, that means I play their game and wouldn't not make a fuss about it. I have mixed feelings about flat and other hits that might be deemed low quality (speaking about incidental ones). On one side I have left myself open and the person has reached me, so I've made a mistake. On the other side, some of the flat and lower quality hits work with slightly different mechanic and look differently, so they can get to you quicker or more unexpected than a good hit. I try to accept both getting hit and myself hitting with the flat as my mistake as that can help me learn and improve. BTW my Zwerch on 01:07 was deemed low quality, which was my only real gripe a the whole event.
@timhema53436 күн бұрын
Thanks for the clarification. I have similar feelings about flat and low quality hits, I don't judge the same if they hit me or if I'm the one performing them. Your zwerch didn't feel low quality, but as usual it's the ups and downs of tournaments 🙂
@jspr12728 күн бұрын
The headgear fling at 10:16 is one of the funniest thing I've ever seen in HEMA. Also do I spot some Pro Gauntlets there? Those seem to be hard to get ahold of these days.
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing8 күн бұрын
Haha, yeah, it was funny. I have started doing it a lot lately btw. Might make a compilation of it :) Yes, my PG are still mostly alive but I don't use them too often. The company is out of business anyways so they are not coming back.
@jspr12727 күн бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing you should! That would be hilarious.
@ultimomos591810 күн бұрын
nice sparring! He's so deceptive with his range and his decisiveness and structure makes those thrusts deadly! Question, how do you like the light feders? I need a new feder and have been looking for something that will hold up for training and tourneys. Currently have a Gothic shorty but these seem like a great budget friendly option with the added benefit of being great for instruction! thanks!
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing10 күн бұрын
Thank you. Yeah his distance management is what gets me as well as great mechanics. I absolutely love the light feders. Got myself a couple and started using them for everything. Specially for teaching, they are very pleasant to know that you can do many repetitions and the partner doesn’t suffer as much. For 1 on 1 sessions when you get hit a hundred times - perfect. That being said it has to noted that as with all training tools they do bring some artefacts in the play and only working with them may leave someone unprepared when they go for a more standard option. Also most competitions I know won’t allow them as being too light. My standard recommendation for students still remains the Sigi Concept Shorty as being the best middle ground. And those who can get lights already started ordering them too.
@ultimomos59189 күн бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing awesome, thanks so much for your feedback! I appreciate your input here as I'm also a coach and the teaching aspect was another facet that drew me to them. I teach in Texas outside in the heat and as a result aside from full contact sparring we're rarely ever in jacket and full kit. This makes it a bit more difficult to drill at times as we're always having to dial back intensity to match the lack of protection which I'm sure you know introduces it's own artefacts In the training process. I feel the light feders could bridge that gap very well and as your video shows, allows for higher levels of intensity without a constant fear of injury! I'll definitely pitch them to my school and consider placing a bulk order but for my personal feder I think I might go the standard or concept route, can't go wrong with Sigi! Thanks again and best of luck in your training!
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing9 күн бұрын
Glad I can be of help :)
@ucchamburg13 күн бұрын
das ist grottenschlecht, technikfrei und schlimmer als olympsches fechten, keine fussarbeit, ausgehoolte schläge schlechte stiche, die können ja garnichts
@PedroPanetto14 күн бұрын
GREAT
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing13 күн бұрын
Thank you
@JRT17615 күн бұрын
@4:02 That right Zwerch was nasty. Excellent timing on that one!
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing14 күн бұрын
Thanks, some worked well :)
@fpvba19 күн бұрын
nice fight))
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing19 күн бұрын
Thank you
@petritzky20 күн бұрын
I have seen you fencing with the cobra wushu mask. What's your resumè on it? You haven't worn it for a while.
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing20 күн бұрын
I generally like it and still use it. If you are in a place where you get a lot of strong strikes to the side and top - Zwerch, Schaitel, I think it’s the best thing to go for. I find the mesh to be too shallow, with a lesser ridge and close to the face which makes it non-ideal if you are receiving a lot of thrusts. Mine is also a bit too big for me and can move the mesh into my face in small but significant moments. As I am currently working a lot I thrusts and counter-thrusts, this makes the standard PBT a better choice. I also extremely dislike the synthetic material used for the padding of the mask. I have seen that they now offer a separate top and back of the head protector which should maybe be good enough, but you can place it on a mask of your choice.
@jasonjames983622 күн бұрын
Been meaning to say this for a while, whatever camera you all record with, it is fantastic. Your fencing crew has some of the cleanest, crispest footage out there... Along with some excellent conversations in steel. Thanks for putting it out there for us.
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing22 күн бұрын
Thank you for your kind words. I am glad that people like it. Almost all of the videos are filmed with an iPhone 11 :) as long as it’s bright enough it works perfectly fine.
@jspr127225 күн бұрын
That Munich Town Guard Sword is gorgeous. Would that technically be a sidesword?
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing24 күн бұрын
It sure is. Yes, I would classify it as a sidesword with complex hilt. Some places like to classify those as rapiers because of the guard type but for me it’s a sword.
@jspr127224 күн бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing thank you for your reply!
@DctrBread27 күн бұрын
nice to see such clear 60fps footage
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing27 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@ucfj28 күн бұрын
Not easy to defend with such a small buckler. For a real fight I'd surely bring a bigass scutum & hope the op brought a buckler
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing28 күн бұрын
Those bucklers are about average size. Sure a bigger shield will protect better but is also harder to carry around
@user-rh2bg6qv7p29 күн бұрын
Грязная техника...может соперник неудобный, мое мнение
@behelitruler9191Ай бұрын
damn, there were some devious entries into measure by that sidesword user in a few of those exchanges
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Thank you. Yeah some of them worked really well :)
@wohl3rАй бұрын
Beautiful fencing! Really taking some moves from here 🙊
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Thank you
@shaharyitzhaik59Ай бұрын
is this event open for everyone? i'd really like to join
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Yeah it’s an open event and the next edition will be happening next weekend - 10-12.05.2024.
@frenchgalloglass5204Ай бұрын
What a beautiful place to fence
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Yep historical sight
@Re-Zero-EMTАй бұрын
Great video!
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@koroslakАй бұрын
0:47 was 👌👌👌
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Thank you :)
@timhema5343Ай бұрын
Nice fencing !
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Thank you :)
@evanyes5762Ай бұрын
If only HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) would be in the Olympics, I would watch it.
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
It's not very likely that HEMA will join the Olympics anytime soon and there is quite the "movement" against it happening ever. And Olympic fencing isn't a very watched sport anyways.
@cryptatronix2786Ай бұрын
Hi I have a question. How tall are you? I am looking to buy the king but I heard shorty is better for 175-180 people, and I am 178 but I think standard size is fine for me. This is going to be my first sword so which version do you reccommend?
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
I am 175 and I definitely prefer the shorty over a standard with every model of theirs. My overall recommendation for my students is the shorty but it has to be said that a lot of things may change one’s needs.
@schwertschwingerАй бұрын
Realy nice exchanges!
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Glad you liked it
@neodoodle3334Ай бұрын
idk how a guy getting headshot and knocked over is no exchange, but otherwise was rad :D
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Thank you. No sword hit seen = no exchange. Have in mind I’ve shown the official score even if I would score it differently from the video.
@neodoodle3334Ай бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing that makes sense, and thank you for the additional knowledge cheers my friend
@ochs-hemaАй бұрын
haha i had the green light feder this weekend. got a taste of it with other kumpels. nice sparring, well done. the small room is pefect to stay in the pocket. really nice
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Thank you, glad you liked it. And I am sure you’ve also enjoyed the light feder :)
@ochs-hemaАй бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing its funky. i have mixed feelings about it in differents aspects. but in the end its about fun. fun with kumpel is good.
@roynexus6Ай бұрын
Judging by the footwork and the cuts, the red armband seems to come from Kendo background.
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Interesting assumption, I wonder why you think that. For clarity - it’s me and I have had a single Kendo training session that was about 10 or so years ago.
@roynexus6Ай бұрын
I so your stance fit parallel, facing forward and somewhat on the balls of your feet, plus thrust and cut combinations. My bad, I guess I read too much in to all that.
@librabysАй бұрын
Seems like the Munich guy is used to wield a rapier, so many lunges that were lacking about 6 inches to touch :P
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Ha, it’s me and funnily enough I actually almost never train rapier :)
@bretteur2legendeАй бұрын
So how are these SIGI LIGHT ?! You liked it ?
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Yeah, I really liked them. They will not replace my current swords used but will I will be adding them to my armoury and recommendations.
@bretteur2legendeАй бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing I wonder how they would perform VS stiffer blades...
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
The stiffness in blade to blade contact only matters if you are trying to perform something with the flat of the blade. When you are using the edge to overbind onto your opponent it doesn’t matter.
@bretteur2legendeАй бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing I consider buying one, so thank you for your reply and bravo for your work ! Keep improving and next time you will defeat Martin ;-)
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Thank you. Glad you find it useful. While I hopefully will improve my fencing in time I doubt I will reach his level. That is ok though as it has never been my point :)
@frankknox9127Ай бұрын
I wish I had some protective equipment and some steel practice sword to use. The closest thing I have is my Claymore sword and it’s too big, too heavy, and has a sharp edge, so I’m kind of out of luck.
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
You can get a friend and a couple of boffers and start from there. Then slowly build up the gear and eventually get steel swords as well. It’s not cheap but it’s doable
@ossian1977Ай бұрын
Waitasec, did Villeneuve copy the Dune fremen knife fight salute from these two folks here :)
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Martin enjoys this salute :)
@BernasLLАй бұрын
I think you tired him out :D
@BernasLLАй бұрын
@4:50 what a nice cut!
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
This is after a week of training twice a day. We are both pretty tired. He still absolutely stomps me regardless
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
It happens :)
@umartdagnirАй бұрын
Hah, the mirror helps track the hits.
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Yes it does :)
@TurokShadowBaneАй бұрын
Fabian's reaction and ability to time his thrusts for when you're point goes offline is absolutely astounding. Seeing your point stay online in one of the later exchanges when the thrust doesn't land was well done. Good adaption on your part! A question I've often had while watching Fabian spar is that it seems a number of stikes are hit with the flat. Maybe I'm not seeing it correctly, but the last exchange looked like a textbook Prellhauw. What is your philosophy on stricking with the flat? I was under the assumption that flat hits were generally deemed no quality, but you've included a few of them?
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Thank you for your comment. Yes, his thrusts are super good and he is getting me multiple times as I fail to judge distance. Even when I am point on line he can still move to the side a bit and get me. Flat hits are quite common throughout HEMA and some of the most avid defenders of them not counting still throw some flats. For me there is a distinction between intentional flat and incidental ones. For example intentional hit on the top, back or forward to the face with a flat to mitigate the strike damage is fine for me. Hits with the flat to attempt to whip over the parry is something I dislike and don’t think should be trained. In my tournament and practice we accept flat hits to the head as valid if they are unopposed - hitting without hitting the sword before /during contact with the mask.
@eugenekim9961Ай бұрын
Actually instead of the blade, you should look at his hands. Most of the ones that seem flat when looking at the blade due to the flex have his hands pronated to be edge mostly online. I was initially thinking the same way as you until I looked specifically at his hands.
@ThePanagomanАй бұрын
Great exchanges, love the replays! I usually rewind/slow down/freeze frame on the videos manually so it was nice seeing that as part of the video!
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Thank you, glad you liked it. Yeah, I basically edited it to fit the way I would watch a video myself with the rewinds a couple of times.
@ErikBrdskiАй бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Even though I noticed you edited that way, I couldn't help the reflex of pausing it anyway :D
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Yeah, I still do it too sometimes. Or go frame by frame
@frenchgalloglass5204Ай бұрын
Very nice exchanges
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Thank you
@frenchgalloglass5204Ай бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing You have used the Sigi Lights a lot lately, I think. How do they feel ? Do you like them ?
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
I used them almost exclusively during my week in Bratislava and hopefully will get my own set soon. I like them a lot. They give the option for a lot more repetitions of exercises on both sides - the attacker doesn’t strain their arms as much and the defender gets hit noticeably lighter. As far as sparring goes - you can complete your techniques much more fluently without a need to hold back and stop your hits to not hurt the other person (within reason). If both opponents are with the same type the game doesn’t really change outside of being a bit faster. If one is with a “standard” longsword, the person with a light needs to really focus on using their strong to parry and their edge to overbind the opponent.
@frenchgalloglass5204Ай бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing that makes sense, thanks for the feedback!
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
You are welcome. I should receive a set soon I hope and will continue working with them as much as possible so more information about them will come.
@carthagoescueladeespanol6576Ай бұрын
Jajaja, ¿ pero qué es eso...una pelea con sable... ? ¿ No conocen la Verdadera Destreza? Pobres hombres. Lamentable.
@Ajiu-gi3nmАй бұрын
Your footsteps cannot keep up with your hand work
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
That’s quite normal. Arms are quicker than feet and it’s important to be able to disconnect them. Still much to improve in both of course
@Ajiu-gi3nmАй бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
@Ajiu-gi3nmАй бұрын
In fact, I think you can reduce the frequency of cut to pursue the deterrent effect of each one. Too many cut make you look a bit confusion
@koroslakАй бұрын
Beautiful thrusts :) will have to be careful next time we meet :)
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын
Thank you. Funny you should say it - it was before we fenced in Bratislava last year. In my learning spiral I managed to pull of some nice thrusts in 2022 then forgot about them in 2023. Hopefully they will come back in 2024 :)
@StarBoundFables2 ай бұрын
Very well filmed, thanks for sharing this
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing2 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@KF12 ай бұрын
Why dull sword?
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing2 ай бұрын
Because I haven’t sharpened it
@KF12 ай бұрын
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing that makes sense, but also doesn't
@user-th5nu9fi8b2 ай бұрын
Красавчик
@saltyfruits39612 ай бұрын
What does it mean when he points at you?
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing2 ай бұрын
I think he points that he has hit. Haven’t asked him :)
@userofusers57872 ай бұрын
just out of curiosity: two times Fabian hit his opponents head with the flat side. Is this considered a hit in these rules? Was wondering since it was shown in a slow mow like if it was an awesome hit (4.36 for example, and 4.44. the other occasion is earlier in the video) (ok, I m really confused, he seems to ONLY hit flat on the head all the time, also on 5:26. Is this required to do in this ruleset?)
@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing2 ай бұрын
Most of his “flat hits” are actually hits with the short edge through a zwerch or a schiel that turn after the impact. That’s a bit on me as for some I’ve done the stop footage a frame or two later than I should have. No specific ruleset used as was just a friendly sparring.