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@2bcsparky 2 күн бұрын
What additional work is necessary to line up the insert correctly on a second ball to ensure an existing thumb insert is directionally correct on subsequent balls? Is there a "true" line on the sleeve?
@markbuffa5840 Күн бұрын
Yes. At 4:07 you can notice that there is a line on the outer and I line that up with the center line.
@traviskirk3834 3 күн бұрын
Me and my dad have the thumb sleeve glued on to the slug it and it works for me.
@traviskirk3834 3 күн бұрын
How big of a difference is the off hand ball speed to the ball speed on the score monitor ball speed difference.
@electrician240 5 күн бұрын
Why did you attend the pro shop training school at innovative? You seem like you could be hosting your own classes.
@markbuffa5840 5 күн бұрын
We’re a dealer for Innovative in Canada and I’ve always wanted to see how John and his team run the class. I had the privilege to be part of the instructor team with Cecil at he class and look forward to working in the future with them. I’m presenting at the IBPSIA conference in Denver on Sunday as well.
@markbuffa5840 5 күн бұрын
And I do host the IBPSIA HOTS classes in Montreal Canada. We do 4 classes a year.
@electrician240 4 күн бұрын
@markbuffa5840 Good to know. I hope to attend one of those classes. I have a question. If you're drilling an oval, would this eliminate the pitch you would put in the ball? If not, how would you drill an oval with pitch?
@markbuffa5840 4 күн бұрын
@@electrician240 watch the video again, we mention it at 3:57. The example uses 3/16 reverse as a starting pitch. Basically your first step is that you put the pitch on the machine. Everything is relative to that starting point.
@shaun_gaming6 8 күн бұрын
does this work for symmetrical cores as well or just asym?
@oldtechuser 18 күн бұрын
I like a round thumb hole. I know that my thumb is not round, but my thumb is flexible enough that it seems to adapt to the round hole, and I get a suction that I like. If it's too snug, I use a dab of Chap Stick on sides of joint and works perfect in getting out of ball. I also am a fan of a tapered thumb slug. Almost like a molded thumb. Keep it simple.
@tonysanta3497 Ай бұрын
If you have to pound it or force the slug in, the ball with split down the line.
@acecan6475 Ай бұрын
Thanks for making the video it was really helpful I was able to fix my son’s shoes using your instructions. Thanks.
@nordattack Ай бұрын
One note about the Storm Mix and Roto Grip RG: The Riser Pin is actually the center of the Puck/Top Weight, not the CG. So if you put the CG in the grip center the riser pin will act as a weight offset on the ball. You could then rotate the Pin/Top Weight around to produce static imbalance and thus create different ball dynamics on a small scale. If you want to have a fairly neutral balanced ball like a normal plastic ball with only a CG, then put the riser pin in the grip center instead of the CG and move the CG placement near where the ball track would be.
@Gunny223 Ай бұрын
What model surface pro are you using.
@spectrebowling Ай бұрын
We have a surface pro 3 and 4. I kept an eye out for anything refurbished, since the shop is an easy place for the device to get damaged, we didn’t want to put new devices on the drill presses.
@KillSwitchKilo 2 ай бұрын
This video was awesome thank you for the detailed but quick to the point instructions and explanation of each number and what they do!
@danielweisman6764 2 ай бұрын
Excellent. Can we do the same but for 2LS?
@spectrebowling 2 ай бұрын
Of course. Follow the same steps. Just the last step for VLS would be changed to measure the pin to center of grip distance for 2LS.
@geraldip7525 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely fabulous 😊 great explanation especially the dual angle system cos I just leant that recently 😂thanks for sharing !
@rogerowensby3093 2 ай бұрын
Very informative
@traviskirk3834 2 ай бұрын
I have a wine u dot urethane and it has the pancake weight block so the cg that has the u is where the core is and I want to get the most out of the ball motion . And the cg heavy spot is right beside the u so what should I put on it to lay it out .
@spectrebowling 2 ай бұрын
One of my favorite urethane balls!!! The ones i really liked I simply put the CG 1/2" positive side and 1/2" positive finger at the time. It has such a small bearing on what you can get out of ball motion. At the time, I had also tried the plastic ball layout that Mo Pinel had come up with for the PBA plastic ball championship, however that needs a weight hole and in today's standards can't be done anymore... and to be honest, I didn't like the reaction. Hope this helps.
@LargestBowlingNut Ай бұрын
@@spectrebowling What about for 2 handers, can the same logic be applied? And do you think the 2LS layout would work on the Fab Hammers?
@StephRenee812 3 ай бұрын
I have been experimenting seems i have a problem and like to do everything myself... 😂Well, i messed up and got my vise thumb interchangeable stuck somehow i didnt drill all the way thru yet i was excited i got it and have been practicing drilling on broken balls. I wasnt thubking and before i had it fully drilled i put the It in my ball 🫣😑 just checking everything out.. i believe its suctioned in there because it will spin all the round around for a couple turns. Could i put a tiny hole diagonal thru to help for releasing air? Mistakes are ok thats how some kf us learn. 😂
@spectrebowling 3 ай бұрын
I don’t think it’s succion. Did you do the proper steps with the ‘ball-it’. Did you knock it down with the push down rod and also install the expander?
@njotosonny 3 ай бұрын
What to do when the inner didnt steady and move easy?
@spectrebowling 2 ай бұрын
Check the tabs of the inner, maybe they are worn out. Is it the same on another ball?
@njotosonny Ай бұрын
@@spectrebowling i put some paper and glue to the inner, only that has the problem, and it solved hehe thank you
@bigboots6114 3 ай бұрын
i absolutely love these
@RocafellaJiggaman 3 ай бұрын
Might want to edit this one. Jimoos email and phone number are shown.
@johnnyrock852 3 ай бұрын
Great video, never thought to try and refresh them. I always just replace them. Will give it a try.
@dejabowler873 3 ай бұрын
powder is illegal in competition
@spectrebowling 3 ай бұрын
Agreed, however we wanted to educate bowlers on how to care for their shoes if they are in bad shape. I get too many clients that come in with black soles and don’t do anything to their soles, so we felt the need to do a video to explain how to bring beat up shoes back to life.
@xDrGeek 3 ай бұрын
You should talk about brush direction: Front to back, back to front, side to side..
@spectrebowling 3 ай бұрын
I always liked going front to back in between shots. But this video was intended for just general shoe care, we have so many clients come into the shop with black soles and never clean the slide pad that I felt we needed to shoot a short video just for that and put it on our monitors in the shop. But yes great comment, thank you.
@stanyoung8274 3 ай бұрын
What about a slide stone?
@spectrebowling 3 ай бұрын
Yes slide stone would be a great in-game replacement for powder. However, for recovery maintenance, similar to the example of my son's shoe, we needed to do much more than just hit it with a slide stone. Thanks for the comment and it is a valid point, thanks for sharing that.
@crashbang7217 4 ай бұрын
How much deeper do these go. I onow switch grip is pretty deep and just wondering how much more core is coming out with these
@spectrebowling 3 ай бұрын
Its 3.22”, so it goes go deeper. If you check the installation document on the Jopo website that’s where I got the depth number from.
@StephRenee812 4 ай бұрын
I want to learn about pitches. Performance fitting , spans etc. Can they help with rotation or getting my hand to stop coming iff the top of the dang ball. Thankyiu for all you do..
@StephRenee812 4 ай бұрын
Is that Simoo?
@StephRenee812 4 ай бұрын
You're awesome, i would love to be fitted by you. My thumb knuckle is much bigger now, ugly thumb and I haven't even been bowling that long atleast with fingertip, always used house balls. I want to go no thumb becsuse i need a performance fit. Why do you live so far away? thank you for your time, i appreciate you!!
@StephRenee812 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for all you do!! I appreciate you!! Hugs
@StephRenee812 4 ай бұрын
Wow. I haven't seen these. What a great channel you have. You are awesome. Thank you for your time, sharing.. hugs
@StephRenee812 4 ай бұрын
Great video
@BboyLazy2 4 ай бұрын
Hey Mark! Just had this installed at your shop the other day, but I cant for the life of me get the thumb out (I didn't get the key) Is there any way to make it "looser"? Thanks
@markbuffa5840 4 ай бұрын
You’re going to need to wear out the clips a bit. Basically lock, unlock a bunch of times to loosen up the clips. If you wanna bring it back to us so we can double check.
@BboyLazy2 3 ай бұрын
@@markbuffa5840 Hey, just saw your reply! Is there any way we could set up an appointment? I also had questions about thumb hole size/shape
@spectrebowling 3 ай бұрын
Yes there is a booking page on our homepage and also you can call the shop to Book some time or simply walk in.
@byronfranek2706 4 ай бұрын
Since the Armadillo ribs are marked in inches, I usually just use the the ribs to measure the distance from the PAP to the first oil line, subtract that distance from 13.5 (distance from PAP to NAP), then divide by 2 to get the arc distance across the NAP. ie: 8" distance from PAP to first oil line; 13.5 - 8 = 5.5"; 5.5 x 2 = 11" arc distance across the NAP.
@stormb28 4 ай бұрын
What if the pap is on the midline? Say 4 3/4 over with no up or down? What does this mean?
@spectrebowling 4 ай бұрын
PAP values are just that, there isn't anything to say about them. So in your case, you're simply 4 3/4 x 0. If you give that to any proshop, they should be good to go with any layout you'd request.
@bobgomavitz1330 4 ай бұрын
Mark, help me understand drawing the line around the ball please. With all the flair rings, how do you choose which line to draw on?
@spectrebowling 4 ай бұрын
Take the one closest to the fingers and thumb. Follow that one all the way around to measure the tilt. If you place the ball track parallel to the counter top it will give you a good visual to if you drew the line correctly.
@mariomicallef8266 4 ай бұрын
So please, how does one get out of bowling a full roller. Harder done than said I guess.....
@spectrebowling 4 ай бұрын
Most of the time it's because you're turning the hand too early. I try to tell people to point their thumb to the ceiling at the top of the back swing, this will allow them to rotate the ball at release. If your hand is already on the side of the ball at release, the only way you can turn is the "opposite" direction, this is what causes the full-roll. A good at home exercise is to throw an american football underhand with a spiral, do a bit of pitch-and-catch with a friend and this will hopefully help your release.
@mariomicallef8266 4 ай бұрын
@@spectrebowling thanks, I'll try what you said and hopefully it all works out. Thanks again.
@mattcantrell8678 4 ай бұрын
Great video!!! Most videos do not show where you put your grip, you have made it very simple. From your VAL line you basically take your PAP backwards to get your grip. Thank you for this video!!!!!! Matt with lane 25 bowling products.
@jamiebenjamin1872 4 ай бұрын
So if a lane is very dry and no oil how does it affect the surface of the lane?? Where I bowl I see lane burn on my bowling balls all the time
@spectrebowling 4 ай бұрын
Yes it will affect the lane, however the lane burn you see on the ball could also be dust or dirt caused by the pinsetter and not the lane itself. Hard to give a correct answer to this in the comment section.
@wildgoobsid5 4 ай бұрын
Yes, but every video I watch doesn’t show how to actually place the hole positions. Where do I find those videos?
@spectrebowling 4 ай бұрын
The PAP is based off the grip CENTER. So when you're done this layout process, you have the grip center. The Midline is the line that cuts thru the middle of your palm horizontally and the center line is thru the center of the thumb and intersecting the fingers. If your full span is 4 inches, you start from the middle and draw a cut line 2 inches on each side. I hope this makes sense.
@joshuakazfields4374 4 ай бұрын
Okay 👌🏽
@spectrebowling 4 ай бұрын
thanks for watching!
@gtbinh 4 ай бұрын
Great info Mark!. Question, Is it recommended to resurface a plastic ball? If so what steps should i take on a ball spinner?
@spectrebowling 4 ай бұрын
Typically, any work on a polyester ball would come down to cost of work vs. price of a new one. Plastic balls are pretty cheap and very brittle... so throwing a resurface charge (we charge 60$) at a plastic ball, might be overkill. Steps would be. 1. Patch the big holes. 2. File down the gap filler. 3. Start at 120 or 180 grit and get all the surface scratches off. 4. move up grits until the final desired grit. Do 4 sides of the ball, you can do 6 or 8 sides as well but I think it's over-doing it. Thanks for the comment ;)
@jasonsmith3537 5 ай бұрын
Question, ever had anyone 7" 3/4 over from center of grip 2-handed? I have had this guy roll a dozen times and the tape is spot on release every time....Just never had someone much over 5"
@spectrebowling 4 ай бұрын
we are seeing alot of "bizarre" PAP coordinates nowadays. My son, 8 years old, bowls backup, has a PAP of 3 x 3.5 down. You need to go based on what you measure. I believe that there is a better way to measure PAP, but that's a whole other discussion... maybe a video idea there ;)
@BeeSting101 5 ай бұрын
So this is a 4x4x2 layout with a 5 inch pin since pap is 5x1? Im sorry, im still in the early learning stage of understanding layouts.
@markbuffa5840 5 ай бұрын
No. The pin is at 4 inches from the PAP. The PAP is measured from the grip center. Check that video out as well. You need to find your PAP before doing any layout work.
@atreyufalcor1347 5 ай бұрын
Great vid! Is there a typical PAP for two-handed bowlers or is there a vast spectrum?
@spectrebowling 5 ай бұрын
that's a hard one... Two handers, especially amateurs, will be all over the place in terms of PAP. So it's hard to see a "typical" PAP. What I've done in my shop is drill two old balls, one RH and one LH with two holes in them. This way if a new two hander comes in, I can ask them to throw it (we use an old switch grip finger kit we've had for a while) and we grab their PAP right away. I layed-out those balls with the pin @ 35 degrees from the grip center, so it puts the pin at like 2 o'clock. So far that's been a pretty good tool for us.
@moonshinesonata_ 5 ай бұрын
If it had a core in it like a Black Widow Viz a Ball or a Radical Spy and you wanted to give it some shape on really toasty conditions, could you drill it with your favorite layout from your resin balls? Or does that not matter on these types of balls?
@spectrebowling 5 ай бұрын
if the plastic ball has a core then I would recommend putting an actual layout on it. It will slightly change how it rolls, it'll be hard to see the difference, however the intent is to make the ball go straight, so I would opt for any layout that will make the ball flare less. Larger angles and longer pin to PAP distance. My 2 cents.
@moonshinesonata_ 5 ай бұрын
@@spectrebowling thank you so much. I actually went with 3 and 3/4 which may be the reason I’m not getting my desired motion as it may be burning up early. If a surface adjustment to 500 with Brunswick Crown Compound doesn’t work. I will redrill for a 5” pin to PAP. Thanks for your 2 cents!!
@Kanogaming-kl4qt 5 ай бұрын
can you install it on a ball thats already been drilled does it hurt the the ball?
@spectrebowling 5 ай бұрын
yes, it can be done. Since the outer sleeve diameter is larger than the slug, we just need to center it and the process is the same ;) hope this helps.
@ou812true5 5 ай бұрын
Great product. The only disadvantage I see is , that like switch grips, if you have to use the tool to install/remove the inner sleeve, the tool wil mess up the tape in the thumbhole. Sinve tape is anecessary t for the right feel, I will stay with the JoPo system because the key doesn't touch the tape. Btw, some of my JoPo's turn without the tool, but some don't.
@michaelfinley9988 5 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you. I like the JOPO design with the outer thread and tool installation not interfering with the tape. The Ultimate system is great for bowlers with longer thumbs and the only system that have no bottom tabs to break. I had an issue with both Turbo and Vise systems breaking tabs and thumbs feel loose. JOPO thumbs are very robust with thicker tabs and an outer thread securing the thumbs with zero movement. Ultimate system looks like pretty robust as well.
@thehalfblacksnack Ай бұрын
You don’t have to use the tool. I’ve had these for months and don’t even own the tool
@TheGreatConstantini 5 ай бұрын
Great video. I only wish I knew what pro shops use the software. My Proshop does everything by eye and I now have a Huge persistent callus on the back side of my thumb that is painful. Been that way for three years. I’ve had to cut back my bowling to two days a week because of it. If not by day three it is broken open like an open sore. Help
@jimmypinaula4087 5 ай бұрын
Love this video. Waiting on how to do the taper cut.
@anthonyazemard7356 6 ай бұрын
Hey. I have plenty of time to try dual angle/vls/ pal and 2ls layout. At this moment, as a 2handers i assume that PAL and 2LS are meant for that. But, could you give us a more understanding on that third measurement? My point is, when you use dual angle or VLS, the third measurements created have an influence or move the VAL and when you use one PAP to another, it make the layout being closer or farther from the pin. (If you see what i mean) When you use PAL or 2LS, that third measurement place the hole at a certain distance from the pin (that is the point of that method) but when you use a pap compare to another, the distance is still the same but influence the orientation of the hole (the val "hypothetical" is very different that way). Can you just explain how this method is definitely more accurate for 2 handers. (Im a 5 over and 3.5 up PAP! So when i tried most of the 2LS Storm layout suggested, i feel that is a very big 3rd angle... ( Because I learned at first with dual angle) I'm confused but I'm confident in the accuracy of Mo and Mikey creation (pal) and Storm 2LS specifically designed! So i just want to understand more of the science under this 😊.
@spectrebowling 5 ай бұрын
Hi Anthony. Thanks for the comment. In traditional layouts, the thumb is always the biggest hole, and usually it is pretty close to the Y axis (mass bias). This is less of the case with two handed players. This is why the 2LS system uses the grip center as a reference point, since bringing the largest hole (in this case only fingers) closer to the mass bias or Y axis of the ball will INCREASE total differential after drilling. It took me a while to wrap my head around it, but think of it this way... closer the holes are to the X axis (Pin), smoother the shape. Closer the holes are the Y axis (equator of the ball), you will get more performance and hook potential. Hope that sums it up good. Maybe we'll think about some FAQ videos to explain some of this. Thanks!
@anthonyazemard7356 5 ай бұрын
@@spectrebowling that's just the simplest and best way to understand this! Thx again for the reply, it's perfect and now it's clear for me. I had the chance to meet you in your hometown at Buffa distribution so I know that you speak french but I was trying to keep the conversation in English for others... So, I'm sorry if that was not very understandable ^^'. As long as it was clear for you! Thx again.
@Cvette2004 6 ай бұрын
What hole depth do you normally use?
@njavrg.9100 6 ай бұрын
Probably 2 and a half inches I’d guess
@spectrebowling 6 ай бұрын
Depends on what you're trying to accomplish really. This video is to explain the layout process mostly, how to draw the lines. We can do another video explaining more technically what each number means and how to approach it. For no-thumb players, I tend to go a bit deeper, to impact the numbers after drilling a bit more since we touch the core.
@njavrg.9100 5 ай бұрын
@@spectrebowling please god explain even more, I watch your videos coz my country as a whole only has 2 pro shops and they tend to be assholes when we ask more questions. Can you show us how we can incorporate our pap into layouts please ? I’d love to see it and will subscribe just to watch that video!
@spectrebowling 5 ай бұрын
@@njavrg.9100 noted, I'll try my best to shoot some videos explaining this. We're getting good engagement with questions like this. Thanks for the feedback
@njavrg.9100 5 ай бұрын
@@spectrebowling it’s amazing to have someone of your caliber actually replying to me, I emailed usbc and their coaching emails and they just told me that just doesn’t exist anymore. Is there anyway viewers like myself can reach out to you or ur qualified team and ask more questions please ?