I'm intrigued why both ITF and WT people talk about their style as "Taekwondo" as if it was the only one.

Nice overview of martial arts

I dunno I think we need a new- new system

I started Korean martial arts in the 70's. Then, we were trained to be well-rounded fighters so our art could be used for self-defense. I have watched the sport aspect evolve over the decades. My opinion it all comes down to money and getting and retaining students and that is ok but do not give your students false illusions that what today's sport TKD is about will give you the best chance in a real confrontation. I have left teaching in the commercial aspect to teaching for smaller yet stronger students, who understand that there is no participation belts give, and everything is earned. Am I as tough as I used to be? Yes and no. The training and fighting are still tough, but I now realize that making students push past injuries isn't good. (Experience is golden ). In short, Tkd can exist in both realms, BUT! The sport should be called Taekwon-sport and traditional called by its name Taekwondo.

I agree with your statement of it removing subjectivity in terms of scoring. However in it's place is the impractical kicking techniques that will only trigger the sensors. The other issue is the constant change of rules.

Awesome video! Thanks for educating me this morning :)

No jead movement? Dude I am sorry your training history experience was lacking. We trained head movement to avoid head kicks in the 90s. Also falling on purpose was froened upon and yes you got a warning where now it seems falling is encouraged. Also cheering after a kick acting like you got a point was also a warning becuse it is stupid and disrespectful. Now it is encouraged. Old oldschool WTF clinch was not boring as there was tons of strategy involved.

You said Taekwondo is a sport in complaining about losing power is silly and then you use an example of kickboxing which is even more of a sport yet has all of the power people are talking about. And then you said that people don't use Taekwondo in the streets but then used to kickboxing as an example as something you would use in the streets. Do you understand the irony of the statement you made? Taekwondo is a martial art and people start training in it for self defense. Only now after the Olympics is the whole sport culture aspect of Taekwondo prominent. It's cheapened snd watered doen the srt. Taekwondo always was meant to be a serious martial art and killing system. And yes original WTF sparring was tougher and more like an actual fight, sinilar to the feeling of boxing except mostly kicks. Now its become flying ballet kicks at each other to register the most amount of points on electronic scoring gear and not sbout fighting your opponent snd trying to hurt them. People have valid reasons to hating the development of WTF sparring and what Taekwondo culture has become.

My TKD instructor was from the power era and had to retire because his knees went out.

I'm curious as to if you teach any difference between the TSD vs TKD kicks, especially the side kick? Or are the kicks all the same?

I took both taekwondo (moo duk kwan) and tang soo do lessons as a kid, and even then was struck by the fact that the basic movements and forms were virtually identical. This was right around the time that the new taegeuk forms were being introduced, and I don't know if that had any effect on what we were taught.

You sir do not seem understand that Taekwondo was first and foremost a Marrial Art and a sport second. I don’t blame you clearly you are in bedded with what I assume to be a very respected WTF organization and I could explain it to you but you are to indoctrinated to understand the explanation. If you train students in a martial art (any martial art) with the mindset of winning competitions and playing the game to score points instead of actually teaching them how to defend themselves. You are doing a disservice to your students and you are not a martial artist you’re just a sports coach.

taekwondo will not last long with foot fencing, it looks very boring; that's not going to garner any views and new competitors, which means no money.

I think it depends more on each individual Dojang. Because the peak of my training in TKD was in the 90's also. I was fighting in mens full contact blackbelt division. We never had a falling tactic and we focused heavily on head defense. We used to do drills where your opponent would only kick you to the head and you had to avoid/block or you were getting hit hard. We had our hands up more than most other dojangs I've seen. It was also very much self defense applicable. My instructor mixed boxing and believe it or not we would wrestle at times. So I would say YES around th 90's it was more intense with hard sparring and harder shots. Other than that it depended on the dojang. Another thing is you don't want to go into a kick boxing or MMA gym or even self defense on the street and ust get completely crushed or injured because you haven't built the fundementals of combat. If it says TKD and self defense. Than it better have self defense.

i just think watching old tkd is more entertaaining

I'm a green belt in Tang Soo Do. I bought a martial arts book called "American Tang Soo Do Hyungs: A Guide to Black Belt." It is a very good book to buy if you are looking to learn each form step-by-step. That is the book I recommend to everyone.

Hey teach I think you may be dealing with KZfaq unsubbing folks.

Twd for self-defense fight should be the main topic and not deviate to self-defense in general. As cato here said, the modern TWD is still marketed to new enthusiasts as self-defense just like the old school TWD, and that is incorrect and dangerous for their belief of what they can do. Modern twd should be renamed to Taekwonsports, meaning "the sports of punching and kicking" thus emphasizing SPORTS.

New school is for sweet babies, old school is for real self-defense.

Also true blocking in Tae Kwon Do were strikes and crippled peoples limbs when performed correctly. Old-school all the way.

I am stunned. I trained in the 90's. It was self defense back then and I personally defeated most other martial arts with it. Tae Kwon Do has grapples, many punches, locks, and advanced kicks. Go back in actual history and realize people feared it. Then again they have watered it down so bad over 70 percent of what use to exist is no longer taught and rarely known. As for the sport. You seem to want 1/100th the pain of boxing? Also a sport. From what I see today's students would be fodder to the past. I don't agree with most you say. I apologize cause I know most didn't learn what I did. Avoiding through drop downs. Also losing due to bad judges is a life lesson. I can go on and on. Anyways good luck in your studies

Chuck Norris is a black belt in Tang Soo Do

tang soo do = way of chinese hand.

Taekwon-Do guy! I love your channel!

It’s kind of wild to me that you’ve reached the level you have in Taekwondo and don’t know that it was in fact a method to use in real fights before sport TKD became popular.

Through out my years of doing martial arts (Kosho Ryu, Capoeira, Jeet Kun do and Muay Thai) I always looked at TKD and TSD and wondered what the difference was. So I decided to join a TSD school and give it a shot. Well it's been over years now and I still have no idea what the difference is between TSD and TKD. I get asked that question every time I tell someone that I do TSD. I've seen the TKD matches and it looks pretty much like the same thing we do in TSD. I guess it's just the forms that are different. We don't use the chest guard when we spar. I'm not sure if that's a TSD thing of if that's just my school.

Combat giving TKD the combat sport status is the problem. A sport is a sport but combat is combat so when the 2 are applied combat sports it look like boxing or old school TKD....taekwondo isn't a combat anymore so it more of just a sport....you cant take soccer into a street fight either but tdk got certain people train the new style acting like they're badass like the old school style which is the real problem but how I see it, anyone with a brain will know what they'll get into.

another great KZfaq video. but you forgot the photo of ed sell in front of the Tae Soo So sign.

great video. i used to come home with knuckle marks on my head. my mom would ask, was that leroy...i would say, no it was rick this time... a totally different set of rules. i was told to loss 5lbs and go to a tournament in flint mi and do fin weight. i got 3rd place because they gave me a BYE. not enough participants so, at 115lbs i fought at 160lbs. they consolidated to light and heavy. different rules. went to do seminars with a gentlemen named joe Lewis in Swanton, oh and they had kiss contact rules. my teacher would separate basic exercise, self defense, demo breaking, and sport fighting. he used to call it ki bon ki sool, ho sin sool, kyua pa, and ky ryu gi. not sure what old school is. just evolution of what we do? like i said great video...and your instructor chung should be proud of you as her student. if not... maybe i'm little bit real contact to her hand...thats a korean accent joke from 1974...ha ha.

ITF Taekwondo is original Taekwondo, WT Taekwondo is not Taekwondo, they are Tang Soo Do new version..

I like Tang soo do better than Taekwondo.

Tkdo exhibition Martial art, tsdo military Martial art.

ANDTHE HIGHEST RANKING BLUEBELT, ENCOMPOSING THE. SKÝ . ALSO TSD HAS A HIGHER GATE

Like Baseball and Softball?

Main difference, is the pivot foot.

As well in security..

not all old school Taewondo is a sport. It is used in the military and Rock soldiers.

The way forward lies in continuously renewing the sport to find the perfect middle ground. Both old and new school have their strengths and weaknesses, and I’m sure with more rule changes we can find that common ground that best illustrates the spirit of taekwondo.

19 years training in old-school MooDukKwan TKD which from what I can see is 90%the same as TangSooDo.We do all the same kicks, style of sparring, same forms- Gitchu/Pyeong-ahn/ Basssai/Nianchi etc,, even the same uniforms lol

Since coming back to training. I have to be used to new school. So when sparring my old pals i will try to pull off soe new school and thag would score and if i spar with new school i will sometimes try to pull old school just to surprise them. ❤

so taekwondo is getting better

taekwondo was created for killing. It was used both in Korean war and in Vietnam very efficiently.

The school I go to teaches both Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do also. We're also able to compete in open martial arts tournaments and closed Taekwondo tournaments too. We also have separate Judo and Jiujitsu classes by a jiujitsu black belt and a judo coral belt. Its all the traditional styles too, not MMA.

All of this will in the end depend on the practitioner. We competed in a lot of Karate tournaments instead of TKD tournaments.

Thank you. This has helped me make my decision.

In order to get the best of both worlds, could you have the electronic scoring, but depending on how much pressure is applied, it will determine how many points you get. For example, the minimum pressure on the chest plate is 1 point, something with a moderate amount of pressure is 2 points, and then full blown powered pressure is 3 points. Do you think that could work?

I appreciate this greatly

Do what I do. If you want your TKD to be a mid-tier martial arts. Modify it, add ground game, add boxing combos, use taekwondo kicks that would work in a tournament/street fight.

Taek comes from the Korean triangle that the Chinese children use to establish as a footwork game. The Tang as in Tang Soo Do comes from the Tang Dynasty in China. However Taekwondo had been established along time before it became a sport as with most martial arts. Just because Taekwondo and Karate came from the same ancestry does not make these the same, two main different types of Karate types arrived at the same time for obvious reasons one the imperial version where most Karate types and Tang soo do and Taekwondo, the other was Shaolin monks the imperials rivals with Quan Fa where Kempo/Kenpo originated from.

I’ve competed both - I think you’ve basically covered the pros and cons to both styles with an objective standpoint. I would recommend this video to any competitor and coach