You are not a native! So yes

Like maybe 1 or 2 minutes per war

But then you have Naval ideas...

@@thestudentYT worth it for this strat tho i think haha. BTW, could you do some sort of video on the thalassocracy reform and trade protectorates? They haven't really been touched on since they were added to the game despite seeming a bit OP if you stack a lot of them

I was the one that brought them back to public with a crazy strategy in a video already several months ago

@@thestudentYT would it be worth it to take the idea group to help with mana generation overall but then towards the end of your declaring you remove it for a preffered idea group? you might be able to squeeze out a bit more mil mana overall depending on how much you end up saving from it

@@tree4104 you'll only need around 28 cycles to make your mil mana back, and beyond 50 cycles you're better off taking naval and deleting.

Also if you don't mind answering another question, is it worth taking admin as your first idea group while playing in Italy? Or is diplomatic the better choice? (As Milan I took the capital of Genoa and full annexed ferarra, to clarify they were both separate wars and I have high ae (around 48 ish in Italy and Switzerland) but I'm working on dealing with the ae) I'm not yet a republic after 10 in game years (the starting ruler doesn't seem to want to die. I have an heir with an additional mil point that spawned from a random event and happens to be 20 (which means they would become the first President do to eu4 logic), and I have plans for using sortition after I deal with the disaster but I don't have the dlc that would allow me to abdicate the ruler)

Diplomatic is better than Admin in Italy and I honestly couldn't see a straight up question in your first question

@@thestudentYT in my first question i asked what republic reforms you think are worth replacing Italian signoria and said some that i think could be worth it

Italian Signoria is best if you play with Sortition... otherwise Plutocracy is by far the best Generic Republic

You're on the wrong channel if you're worked up about exploits.

@@EbonySaints No it does not bothering me at all, what did actually caused me to comment is the fact this video title says "No exploits"

Gov cap is no issue with Courthouses and Half States

@@thestudentYT Makes sense. Thanks for the reply man!

There was no other video on my channel for this run

@@thestudentYT Yeah I meant on their channel, but I found it in the end. RNGesus really wasn't with you but I love that you went for a risky strat! I think you can take on all of them, except maybe Florry 🤣

yes... but then it takes 6 months instead of 2... and you'll have less Mana in the end

@thestudentYT why 6? When the fort has less than 100 guys it falls instantly

@@varus4827 After you make a truce you have to wait 1 full month (and an additional day) before you can send them another diplomat, so the garisson is always at least 100, usually more like 200 because you need to walk there as well, which takes around 20 days according to the video

@alexanderkloss3491 using 2 armies you could ignore the 20 day walk but with the 1 month wait it probably isn't going to work

@@varus4827 I was fast enough with one army already so that the limit was literally the One Month diplomat restriction... so no need for more armies

imo it wouldn't be worth the idea slot

But then you'd have Naval Ideas... You could become Portuguese Culture though for -80% reduction... that would be probably still more efficient than naval Ideas XD

@@thestudentYT I guess so XD

@@thestudentYT I remember a campaign as Palawa where I used an exploration exploit to reach Siberia while remaining a native tribe, only to discover Force Migration worked this way. I even tried to convert to Evenk culture while forming Algiers to steal Solon's national ideas (warscore cost and years of separatism are pretty solid modifiers). However, I didn't think to take it as far as you did, truce breaking repeatedly for maximum output. A big part of that was simply that being a native tribe meant I couldn't take Naval ideas without reforming into a different government. Between the stab cost, the AE, and the war exhaustion, I was paranoid that something like this just wouldn't be worth it. Even acknowledging that, in principle, I still could have gotten -33% stability cost from the Hereditary Rule reform, and maybe more from starting as a different Aboriginal or Maori tribe...

@@wallyvargas-rios9305 you are not native... you can take naval ideas

This is no Problem with AE already (and you could also leave two of these nations in Siberia alive)... and Manchuria has at least SOME usefull expansion option in early Game... so I am pretty sure that Solon is still WAYYY better than Ngati-Toa

Released countries cannot be that Siberian Reform... so they can't be migratory... so you cannot get that CB on them

@@thestudentYT Interesting, I'd never played around too much with client states before so I decided to test what it actually meant by choosing government. It's just a choice between monarchy and republic. It's really weird to be able to create monarchies and republics as a tribe. Here I was hoping that you could choose a bit more about them. I hope PDX gives client states a bit more love, because they feel so outdated as a mechanic in the modern game tbh.

I dealt with it by taking the right Tier 4 Reform, by taking Admin Ideas and by building Courthouses. And yes, the Siberian Native Council works with every culture and every religion... you just have to start with it and you have to keep it the entire time... otherwise it will be lost for the rest of the campaign

Maybe... if it stays active even with a truce

Doubt it. If you're way over cap, taking one tech will put you at whatever the updated cap is (IE 2000 --> 1400 monarch points even if you take a 30 cost tech). Thus you'd at most achieve one tech really far ahead of years, at the cost of spending a lot of time behind. For abusing development it is more attractive, although you'd have to first get your hands on enough land worth developing. Keep in mind that conventional expansion even as a relatively small nation can easily be well over 1000 development by 1550ish. In some cases more than double that, and as hordes more still. For something to be "overpowered", I'd expect to see something comparable to "stable True Heir of Timur all held directly" (which is possible), not ~800 development post 1560. There are costs not mentioned in the video that are very impactful, such as forced army positioning to do the assaults + kill rebels, avoiding taking + coring land (due to stab cost increase) etc. This is a way to make terrible nations significantly better, not a way to produce something approaching "overpowered" results :).

In multiplayer I doubt you'd be able to do much else without everyone complaining about game speed

@@TheMelnTeam Stable direct THOT is very possible since a few patches ago

@@somearthling Lambda did it years ago, but also with a several decade margin and starting as one of the weak options for forming Mughals, so you wouldn't need to play at ~world record levels to do it by 1550!

Trust me... with this you can get a WC One Culture before 1600 if you want to

Answer: No, it's not. Even super optimaly, you are getting at most 50 points per month. Which is cool, but not really worth it past the early game. Maybe if you are trying to do some tall thing.

@@thestudentYT no offense but this isn't going to allow you to do a pre 1600 WC lmao let alone a one culture, where did you get that idea from? this country doesn't have horde razing, eyalets, dip annex cost, the broken dali exploit with ming, or even enough ccr to do a pre 1600

@@BobbiusRossius Bro, the the WR is 1474... at the current point you get CCR modifiers from every corner and with this you have literally INFINITE Mana, a pre 1600 WC is doable as any nation nowdays

@@thestudentYTyeah and that was done as oirat, this nation isn't a horde and doesn't have the power of a horde, ottomans, bohemia/provence Solon/any of the siberian tribes do not start as hordes, they do not have an easy way to either get 98% dip annex cost or 75% ccr so they can ignore overextension, its literally impossible to hit either of these while keeping this "infinite" mana "exploit" you show off in this video you cant just pre 1600 as any nation, that's not really how it works

Because it was super far away, a heathen Religion, my own Religion, and a different Culture group...

@thestudentYT So what matters is the distance of your capital?

@@rami8896 The distance towards the attacked nation of course

Yeah... but is it worth to through one entire Idea slot away for that? Maybe

If that is the OP thing that you took from this video then I am honestly worried XD

@@thestudentYT obviously not but its basically +6 or 12 Army tradition per year for nothign

@@oKnuTo Yes it is a nice side effect

Yeah even with just the Reform, the Tengri decision and an Advisor you would already be at -63% stab cost

This is super easy... and you can get any achievements and you could do it in MP

you could say that about literally anything. why play any game or give yourself any challenge when you could just cheat? its easier anyway right? the reason to do this is to push the limits of exploiting the game without using dev or cheat tools.

​@thestudentYT why do achievements matter if you exploit this hard. Why also ruin a lobby

@@afridge8608 idk what we are talking about here... if you want to play roleplay or chill eu4 then you can do that... but then why would you desperatly try to criticize an unknown crazy strategy that works without cheats and try to tell me that somehow it would not be worth it to use... I don't get what you want to tell me with this comment honestly xD

Gotta agree. Idk why people think using exploits is somehow more justified than using cheats.

At some Point you'll not be able to save enough Points to take the Tech but... infinite dev would be possible

@@thestudentYTinfinite dev isn’t quite right. A lot though.

You can only declare 1 war per month so only 2 Tribes are needed for peak efficiency

@@thestudentYTif you had more and didn’t need to barrage it would produce more mil per cycle

@@stephenbernard3003 Yes but at that point only if you have like 10 at the same time because some sieges might take 10 months easily