Yea... I was debating on having a system for writing the locations to the dedicated miners in particular so I can control what it mines and where. That was my thought at least. I do need to get some more chips added before I get that far though... Currently working on the autolanding one and ran into a snafu thinking I could set the reentry height so I could automate landing no matter what conditions and have successful landings but alas... I cant change that via logic.

@@shadowdrake082 check FlightControlRule, ReEnrtyAltitude Mass and TrustToWeight there must be a formula where you can calculate that if your kN wt is = x and distance =y it takes z kN thrust to stop

@@shadowdrake082 check flightcontrolrule reentryaltitude mass and thrusttomass, there must be a formula where if I’m x kN mass and y distance it takes z kNthrust to stop Edit, my automatic miner script is nearly perfect, u want it?

Its all good, i do like to go through the automation programming as an experience to see if i can get things working well or at least better learn how something works or doesnt work how i expected it to.

For vaccuum worlds, if you will leave piping and stuff outside, insulated piping and tanks. But it does apply to any world (except mars because mars is close to room temps). If you choose to store with normal tanks and pipes, i would recommend enclosing them and making sure their environment is the temperature you want. But there are some niche cases like if you want to store liquid nitrogen in Europa, you could have its tank and pipes be uninsulated outside but insulate them if you will use them inside.

I did think i got this far since i got a setup for discovery and survey… but i think i need to expand on this to do the location check. Cause currently i set the housing to 1 to do scanning commands and 0 to turn off scanners. I think a part of this i want to add to a kind of automation control that would handle the landing as well as moving to a destination and potentially set the scanning or mining chips (tbd later).

@@shadowdrake082 I sent some info to ur DM on disc

I appreciate the feedback, I do want to redo the experiments since I had more exposure to the system. I think I had some structure in what I wanted to show but confused myself because I did some things out of the order i intended. But I do want to keep the latent heat energy with both phase changes and later show how the liquid pumps work because they are a little more confusing as to when they pump pressurant gases and when they dont.

Agreed, not the best design but something i kind of came up with in an attempt to see one way to separate liquids without just pushing them through a filtration loop that may not like how much liquids there are

I think i have that theory crafted, i figure i need to get an autolander script so that i can trigger a “go home” command and then i got to figure out how to do a kind of stack instruction set for the miners to go here, mine, on depleted or cargo full, go to the next place, and repeat. I almost want to do that on a test save but i think i want to get into the weeds coding that because maybe it might be helpful to see where i go wrong with my methodology.

@@shadowdrake082 well to help ya with that code (i dont understand how the stack works) heres an idea: push 20##### (location code) push 21##### (location code etc push 28##### they go from prefix 20-28, even if you delete and rediscover em stack pointer stuff peed/pop (idk) s avoincs DestinationCode r10 (whatever comes from the stack) l r0 avionics Richness l r1 avionics Size l r2 avionics Density set your "acceptable" limits based on above then go into the auto mine and return script if a place not scanned it will give a -1 code for Richness. Size or Density. so with that info you can do a similar script for a scanner rocket to auto go and scan if there's a place that you have deleted and rediscovered

Looking back, I should have. I remember being absolutely frustrated that the one thing I forgot to add to the code to make it work was literally a simple "j end" so I had to take a break to recompose myself. I messed with so many parts of it that I swear I rewrote the whole thing and then I stumbled upon it. It probably wouldnt have been too bad to recover from... probably would just need to rebuild that rocket's fuel piping. Still I'm surprised liquid fuel mix just combusts like that.

I definitely want to do that. I'm trying to think about how I'm going to que locations though since I do want to potentially have it mine a few spots before returning. But I suppose I need to actually make my own landing script too so that they can land if they need to refuel or cargo bays are full.

@@shadowdrake082 what I did was use the CurrentCode and DestinationCode from the avionics Current is where you are. Location code is like **00-00-00-40-16 (my home launch mount on mars) is written in the code as 4016 and these logic commands are read/writeable. If u want I can reply with the code

Sure, i may need an example for the codes, i lt looks like there is a long code and a short code displayed. I havent started figuring that out yet but it would save time if i knew how it reads and writes these codes.

@@shadowdrake082 alias avi d0 (Rocket avionics) alias gonogoic d1 (this is coming from another IC that controls my umbilicals and gives a go/nogo check for fuel power cargo retracted etc) alias eng d2 alias miner d3 alias storage d4 alias lever d5 alias home r10 move home 4016 (this is my rocket mount location on the map) alias mineloc r11 (where 2 go) move mineloc 24020116 (this is a gas cloud near phobos) alias where2 r12 alias whereat r13 alias go r15 start: yield s eng On 0 l r0 lever Setting l r1 lever Setting not r1 r1 l go gonogo Setting and go go r1 s avi DestinationCode mineloc beq go 1 launch j start launch: s eng On go l whereat avi CurrentCode beq r0 1 comehome beq whereat mineloc mine j launch mine: s eng On 0 s miner On 1 s avi Mode 2 (mode 1=idle 2 mine), i think, not 100% 3 chart 4 discover 5 Survey l r2 storage Quantity seq r2 r2 100 beq r0 1 comehome beq r2 1 comehome j mine comehome: s avi DestinationCode home s miner On 0 s eng On 1 seq r3 home whereat beq r3 1 start j comehome it will stay in ea loop start, launch, mine, comehome until a trigger to have it jump into another. the lever is used for 1 a way to break the cycle and 2 be used a recall command. im not as good as u at programing. but it does work and ofc you will need 2 tweek it for the rockets you have. this is designed for a single miner and 1 med cargo storage

Aww man, thats an interesting change for it. thinking about it. So that would mean medical pills for healing? I'd be interested to see how that goes. Gives me more incentive to get out a medical room now. Do sleepers pause hunger and thirst completely? I thought they did but cryo's were better because they also healed the inhabitant.

@@shadowdrake082 sleepers do pause hunger/water. And yes cyros are better for healing. Tbh it does make sense

@@charlesheath7571 I wonder how they will be balanced for that then. Would we need the freezing temperatures to heal or will it be strictly to revive? Currently I get they are way too useful in pausing food, thirst, and healing all at the same time for room temperatures.

@@shadowdrake082 ur right atm they r too useful. I just recommend y’all start placing yourselves in sleepers soon. Who knows when the update that will change that happens

Right? Im pretty sure i cant feed that many… and some will still starve themselves even if i could.

I think i have an idea what you are talking about, but i may need to see an example of it. The step structure was one that i am most familiar with when i need a sequence of complex tasks done but i know it can be inefficient in terms of lines of code used.

@@shadowdrake082 let me take a look at the code syntax and I'll try and give an example heh.

@@shadowdrake082 okay so from what I can tell this is very similar to assembly language. So here's a quick and dirty example. loop: beq a b action1: j loop: action1: <Do something> j loop: This essentially will loop through the command loop and check if a is equal to b if it is jump to action1 label and do something then jump back to the command loop. You can expand on this structure pretty easily I'd recommend keeping the actions simple so you return to the command loop quickly. Hope this helps with future coding things. I realized after posting that this video is not the latest in the series.

Just to add to this. Thanks to you and splitsie I've dived into this game and oh boy I am enjoying building systems I am very much a noob. Also I'd recommend looking into the the IC10 commands with the suffix -al this allows you to create "functions" by storing the line that performs the jump/branch in the "ra" register allowing you to use a j ra to get back to the spot that called the function. The structure: Loop: beqal a b Function sleep 1 j Loop Function: #Do something j ra

@@TheXkyneticx Those are incredibly helpful. it may be my actual job duties that biases me to go into a step structure for the complex tasks, but I do need to use them some more. I use them sometimes, but half the time I structure the logic in stages where I dont want other actions to occur unless it is at that step. Usually I would need to use the -al instructions if I need to repeat a task and return. I do need to incorporate them more.

Truthfully i thought i’d be done within 40 minutes after i cut out mining and other fluff… i horribly misjudged how long the mining was

Agree… even if it is just contract it out to a few members of the community, it can at least allow them to link a video or video series to better explain some controls. Updates usually dont change the start too much but the basics of inventory management, cabling, etc. are needed. Some visibility towards a tutorial series would be great or even contracting out a save labeled “tutorial world” to fiddle around with.

Thats true… i really should

That is a good point. I could automate the silo ejecting out ices and have a safety logic for the powered chute valve to only eject when I am in safe conditions such as clamped processing in the presence of volatiles, nitrous, and high temps but unclamp it when some of those factors are processed away... Which leads to how to have a cooling system for my filtration... I may need to have to make a funny gfg like room that is kept at 0-20C and if it gets too hot it opens up to cool down or something.

@@shadowdrake082 for cooling what I did was a 2stage system, for you I’d do a 3-4 stage. Stage 1 was dig valve pipe radiator pipe turbo pump to vacuum the pipe. Stage 2 was digital valve pipe 3 radiators pipe connected to the above turbo pump (reg radiators Fyi) the valves opened at above 20 and 100 respectively. and I wasn’t mixing vol with nos either. For your sys I’d say stage 1 w/ 1 radiator (mediums) 10c, stage two, 2 radiators in parallel 20C . Stage 3, 3 radiators valve opens at 30C. Maybe a 4th with like 6-8 radiators as an “ohh shit” at 40C. With 3 stages alone set at 30c you will have 6 medium radiators with of cooling, that( I hope) should be enough Edit all radiators should be parallel, of ea other. They work better and one way valves to prevent “back flow” over cooling

It surprisingly didnt take much. That concerned me on my test runs xD

I am on the stationeers discord, could probably dm me there. Im not sure that youtube has a dm function.

Glad it can be of help! Best of luck as you dive into phase change and hopefully may you use it to your advantage!

I wonder about it… one or the issues i wonder about is i may have ice, but i would still need to process it to my liquid tanks for nitrous to use it. I havent worked with one so i may need to figure out the logistics… though maybe hollowing out the basement i could maybe process it. A counterflow heat exchangers has a “flow” of the gas or liquids at each input. The goal is to swap the temperatures of both inputs so they come out close to the temperature of the other input. Though that requires equal flow and however efficient it is, it should be close. If you have the flow imbalanced, you can use them as a much faster method for heating or cooling a gas/liquid.

I would have to take a look and see at some point, i tend to stay off the beta because there have been times where it has rendered saves unusable… and knowing my tendency to not properly back up my saves… i dont want to risk it. From what i am seeing it sounds like fun stuff to the start conditions.

Is that for the oxygen compressor? I think at this time i strangely enough have yet to really use chips in greater detail, it wasnt until Vulcan that i started building a few for some small settings like this.

@@shadowdrake082 Yes! in the first stage as shown in the thumbnail. i still had to use a drain and cowl for the liquid waste tho. but the chips do well to stop them growning. i found i had to flick the vent to inward and turn it on first then turn the chip on to overide the vent to 6mp. so long as the vent's settings don't change it "should" stay the same. Updates to the game not withstanding so you should be able to just overide once then remove the chips, i keep them just incase.

Hopefully you get good results. The pressure turbines barely give any power back but sometimes every little bit helps.

@@shadowdrake082 depends on what you consider good results, at 8 turbines (Europa) you break even. As for the length limit of the tunnel I don’t there is one. At imo cons a lot of space and takes some power to start. Pro, it’s constant power at all times and scalable to increase power . I want to next try on Vulcan as well experiment with using a pressure chamber and blast door.

It definitely would be. Though with economy focus, I'd need at least a Medium tier alloy trader to be capable of buying the inconel needed to make the sensor lenses. I cant recall how long I waited for those, but I'd need at least a medium dish and a 5x5 to get those.

@@shadowdrake082 had a feeling that one of the ingredient is the limiting factor

Agree, it just isnt practical. Which is kind of a shame since the bottleneck is where it can dump the heat at. Gas trader "buying" Pollutants was an interesting one for sure, but It only seems to be like a funky top up to keep your AC system going if the storm draw isnt in high enough production. If you get lucky and get a gas trader from your 3 vanilla slots every other day, I can see it keeping the system going. Though the power usage was an interesting benefit. Even 12 large powered vents powering a low power system for 7 days only needed the 2 station batteries + 2 to 3 wind turbines to both recharge batteries and allow the vents to work. In a sense it seems like 1 Large powered vent allows 200J of cooling between storms (assuming 8 days between storms). Not a very strong starting point but hopefully could be scaled up to better support a larger base. Gonna need a lot of large tanks though.

Possibly, the only thing im not sure of is if doing with water would be problematic later. Sure it can melt but i guess thats why we have ices for gaseous and liquids if they hit freezing… really odd though. End result though is that the heat still needs to be pushed out somewhere to keep things going. I think that can buy some time before a system is set up to push the heat out.

Tetris, that was it. Knew it was something I did but some reason coulndt recall that name.

At the time of the video, currently the starting conditions is supposed to start us with a credit card with 200 credits and the vulcan and venus landers should have a credit card with an additional 600 credits. Unfortunately at the time, a setting for them was bugged (im not sure if it has been hotfixed yet as the beta had it fixed at the time). I just had to go back and give myself those funds.

@@shadowdrake082 Oh! lol so LITERALLY a credit card, that's funny.

Usually i tie some gas to the heat exchange of the evaporator and pipe it to a radiator in the room. It will draw in the heat and get pushed into the evaporation chamber, as you mention it does come into the system and leaves about as fast as what the condensation chamber can push out through condensation. Usually the systems like this can work with the ability to gradually move thermal energy around, but the really hot and high pressure venus temps can very easily overwhelm the nitrous coolant stage.

Truthfully, the hard part was keeping my adrenaline from going haywire. It is a very stressful environment, not made any easier by the fact I also was trying to keep hygiene from going critical. Looking back, getting the station battery up i could tell i was making more calm decisions but approaching the first storm i was again starting to feel the pressure, and heat to have an air capture system for the first storm. The panic is indeed real!

I did purposefully not connect the one next to the fridge because i was hoping that traders fill the one that is least full… thats why i emptied the original one, hoping that it being empty would be filled first… but unfortunatey the ore holding one still filled first. So im missing something… maybe it fills them based on the last one on the network or something?

I do have a habit of leaving things on all the time idling. Half the time with the mad scramble i dont take much time to get things sorted and leave them around, i do make sure everything i want from my lander boxes is safe and i leave undesirable stuff for later. I did almost lose the pumpkin soup though. As for powered doors, i unintentionally click around and have opened the doors on a few occasions. I have since learned that even using the crowbar to force open composite doors keeps me from making that mistake very often. But i do try to get the airlock up and running to eliminate human error with me manhandling it. You raise really good points.

Thats actually pretty good. Can you put a hopper inside a frame? I'd assume so but would it "suck in" the ice if some of the hopper is in the frame still? I might need to test that out. I know people had tried similar and some ice hapened underneath the hopper and was unreachable, but those were walls enclosing the hopper and room.

@@shadowdrake082 I don’t place my hoppers in a frame i place frames around it, if it won’t work then an array of chute inlets at bottom with no hopper. You can easily place 8 inlets to capture the ice and in the center place a pipe with a cowl to 1 grab gasses 2 act as a way to prevent ice being in the center space, a fulcrum kinda….

Also, if u want liq O2 really fast….make the same room (1x1x1) pressurize it with a active vent and place a liq INLET inside with liq pipes as long as the press inside does not get above 5.8MPa it will be a constant source if near free liq O2

I saw that happen to splitsie, but thankfully i have yet to see it happen to me in all the time i have been playing. I am at day 9 (slight spoilers) and all the frequent saving and reloading i have done to remove mods, mine, take breaks, and stuff have yet to break the airlock… hoping it holds true until i am done.

For me airlock breaks when you reconfigure airlock. When you unselect one of the vents (usually exterior to unlock it and vacuum your room) then it reassigns the still selected one the other role

@@engimage That explains why I rarely see it then. Once I configure an airlock chip I rarely ever deconfigure it unless I intend to rebuild it with an IC version. I have broken them many times and it sure is a hassle to break it and have to reconfigure it many times.

But what if the suit handles Venus better... would I have reason then to print out guns in Stationeers and attempt to get the suit? Or maybe they can take me to jail and I wont have to be in Venus anymore.

Thats actually something i should have done… i really should do that since it does get tiring to cycle through and look for the non-ores.

I agree this is the most likely cause. I need to put some kind of logic to check the state of that and reinitialize both chips so i can stop having to do that every time i start.