DCS AI loses to 25 year old sim
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@Tome4kkkk
@Tome4kkkk Сағат бұрын
DCS is quickly becoming ARMA 3. Flood of content with no solid core. The core vs modules manhours should be 10:1 on ED's part considering now it's 3rd parties doing much of the content.
@andrewa837
@andrewa837 Сағат бұрын
@@Tome4kkkk arma 3 is a lot more complete imo.
@Tome4kkkk
@Tome4kkkk 56 минут бұрын
@@andrewa837 Well, they almost finished STEREO audio implementation after some 7 years of life cycle so... AI still a fucking placeholder.
@Tome4kkkk
@Tome4kkkk Сағат бұрын
LOL, the washed out Caucasus doesn't look much better either :)
@candle_eatist
@candle_eatist 2 сағат бұрын
I'm curious, how did you set up the AI in the DCS mission editor?
@Wizzar_sillymus
@Wizzar_sillymus 5 сағат бұрын
I think ED doesnt prioritize AI because people mainly play MP PvP and use singleplayer for target practice and learning new aircraft. I still think they should update the AI (my potato canot handle MP)
@billpii6314
@billpii6314 13 сағат бұрын
What AI
@delayed_control
@delayed_control 14 сағат бұрын
Sims didn't die, the sim craze moved from the West to the East. Lock On and IL-2 Sturmovik both released in the early 2000s, with Lock On being a sequel to 90s Flanker (which I wish you've included)
@andrewa837
@andrewa837 14 сағат бұрын
@@delayed_control interesting theory! And yeah many told me include Flanker, missed that one
@dixievfd55
@dixievfd55 15 сағат бұрын
I would just like to point out that Microprose is back and is making flight sims again.
@dixievfd55
@dixievfd55 15 сағат бұрын
A few of points about JSF. The entire globe was modeled. There was a cheat that would allow you to fly any aircraft in the game. You could control your pilot after ejection and he had a pistol.
@andrewa837
@andrewa837 15 сағат бұрын
JSF is super cool but just not much there in terms of actual gameplay. Lots of content but not much workflow.
@aerialbugsmasher
@aerialbugsmasher 18 сағат бұрын
Jane's F-15 was excellent, should've been included
@andrewa837
@andrewa837 18 сағат бұрын
@@aerialbugsmasher but what makes it stand out? Is the cockpit clickable? Dynamic campaign? Insanely awesome vibe?
@aerialbugsmasher
@aerialbugsmasher 17 сағат бұрын
@@andrewa837 all of the above. The Iraq campaign was very accurate to what they did in the actual gulf war and the missions varied depending on how well or bad you did them. Almost the entire cockpit was clickable. Mission editor was really powerful as well.
@Jwalker21NC
@Jwalker21NC 21 сағат бұрын
I’m pretty sure those ai weren’t on ace. Js I mean I’m with you bms is def better but that wasn’t a fair comparison
@andrewa837
@andrewa837 21 сағат бұрын
@@Jwalker21NC it was all Ace. I guarantee.
@raptoid2863
@raptoid2863 23 сағат бұрын
Meanwhile on the physics end, and AI MIG-15s are still UFO's breaking the laws of physics, pulling 10g dives and climbs with a thrust-to-weight ratio of 5.5 or whatever. AI is flying around ACE combat planes and it makes the game unplayable for me, and I don't really want to dive into multiplayer or anything non-coop and right now I only have the f-86 to play on really.
@Sparrowthebird
@Sparrowthebird Күн бұрын
so this comment section is the cave of dcs haters?
@inub1579
@inub1579 Күн бұрын
im a literal noob. the ai in the game was noticeably bad from the first week of playing. but i will say the ai ive seen have been better than what you showed in dogfights at least not by much. a brand new player shouldnt be able to win a dogfight against max level ai consistently
@user-lo5vk1ne4y
@user-lo5vk1ne4y Күн бұрын
dcs is definitely pvp
@sirschizo
@sirschizo Күн бұрын
In all fairness, DCS is pretty much a game where the multiplayer experience is the reason to play
@MrViggie37
@MrViggie37 Күн бұрын
Yo, I have a copy of the Eurofigther 2000 game. My dad gave it to me. To bad its to old to run on my Windows 11 :(
@robertwallace4515
@robertwallace4515 Күн бұрын
Who eles is excited for bms 4.38?
@andyaim4764
@andyaim4764 Күн бұрын
Apart from being the premier sim from the 90s Falcon 4 had an interesting turn of events, after a number of years Microprose stated they would not support any more updates for their sim, the community asked for the game code to carry on the work themselves but Microprose refused, a short time later the code mysteriously ended up being leaked to the internet. The sim went from strength to strength and is now called BMS
@fihalhohi5353
@fihalhohi5353 2 күн бұрын
BMS might have some nice mechanics but dude, the graphics are 20 years old, the thing looks like trash. It's like digging out adventures from the 80s, they were really great but nothing for 2024 anymore
@SpeedFireARL
@SpeedFireARL 2 күн бұрын
а это какой уровень врагов? раньше в горячих скалах и дкс была возможность выставлять уровень навыков ботов.
@dubmeisterxd2133
@dubmeisterxd2133 2 күн бұрын
still waiting for that modern flight sim that matches the mission editors and ai from 2 decades ago. something like Falcon BMS + Il2 1946 + DI tornado. Also would need a proper flanker sim; my favorite jet
@simisg2121
@simisg2121 2 күн бұрын
Dude it’s because they heavily rely on the multiplayer experience even though 80% or so of their customers play only single player. I was heavily involved in DCS from the time it was lock on. My channel reflects that. A buddy of mine flies 35a and opened my eyes big time to how bs DCS is and we rather play shit thunder over it. Also, it’s become rather apparent that they only developed US jets in full fidelity… I wonder why.. (I don’t buy into that bs about why they can’t develope Russian jets narrative)
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
@ChucksSEADnDEAD Күн бұрын
How is it BS? For example one DCS player was able to "audit" the missile performance in DCS because he could estimate rocket motor volume and the chemical composition of the fuel through safety data sheets. Even when you can't get documents confirming some performance parameters you can guesstimate. Doing that for red air is much harder.
@simisg2121
@simisg2121 14 сағат бұрын
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD yeah I know the dude who wrote up an entire report on all the missiles in dcs, he ran the cad models and sim on my workstation pc.. he even put out a proper mod on the data collected. So yes, it’s bs.
@jakobole
@jakobole 2 күн бұрын
Also, in BVR, they know exactly who has been targeted if in a flight oof +1
@StoneCoolds
@StoneCoolds 2 күн бұрын
DCS AI is closer to a drone practice target than a real enemy pilot simulation. Solo player is so side lined by ED dynamics that i doubt we will ever see anything decent from their AI
@andrewa837
@andrewa837 2 күн бұрын
@@StoneCoolds yep
@a_common_weeb
@a_common_weeb 2 күн бұрын
AI from 1998 smarter then most war thunder pilots
@SchwardsChannel
@SchwardsChannel 3 күн бұрын
Try Su-27 Flanker, great grandpa of DCS and its have good AI for 1995
@berserker6341
@berserker6341 3 күн бұрын
Great job man! Another 90's sim player here. Miss the challenge of beating the pc (yes, the pc, AI is far more complex and today anything is called that way, when is not). The main point of every game is to be fun, alone or multiplayer, then you can add whatever you want: endless manuals, insane cockpit details, etc. Eagle Dynamics are becoming a snowball: poor pc (ai lol) behaviour, 3d models of lock on era, endless (again) own and third party products (rip F-15E) and so on. I think they will stop for two years to put in order the mess that the sim is.
@gallagherthewolf5845
@gallagherthewolf5845 3 күн бұрын
i mean i love dcs i wont directly hate on the entire game but it isnt as realistic as people believe. but my only real defense for it is high quality aircraft simulation with quantity. but falcon 4.0/bms is so much better in terms of ai and systems but only for 1/2 planes vs like 50. and then if we bring in more arcady games like IL-2 or War Thunder then its 1 vs 50 vs 200 vs 500 (hyperbole but still)
@Bobamelius
@Bobamelius 3 күн бұрын
What I'm slowly gathering is that I will need to start playing BMS for a good single player experience.
@natedxgg8170
@natedxgg8170 3 күн бұрын
your comparning apples and oranges here. DCS doesnt care about AI as much anymore because the money is in the multiplayer. The multiplayer fighting is the most realisitc fighting you can get. With realistic visual effects unlike 240p BMS, you can accurately simulate combat situations like the matrix. BMS is a better platform if ur runnung on a shitty laptop from the 2000s, or if u are lonely and need to fight a computer to feel good. A lot more community in DCS as well.
@andrewa837
@andrewa837 3 күн бұрын
@@natedxgg8170 bruh missiles in multiplayer don't even have proximity fusing, you can dodge a missile by spinning
@xXmobiusXx1
@xXmobiusXx1 3 күн бұрын
DCS's engine is very very old, it was originally called SU-27, released for DOS in 95 and could run on a 486 ( because that's all the Russians could have at the time, yes ED was a Russian dev team, not sure about current though. ) it evolved from that to Flanker 2.0/2.5, Lock On modern combat, Flaming Cliffs 1/2/3, then DCS. You can see the limitations in the damage modeling, it's still the same as it was since Flanker and Flight physics relies on LUA files ( if plane at this speed, then this is your turn rate plus other factors ) instead of the the planes obeying world physics. Comparing the Falcon F-16's flight model vs DCS's F-16, DCS's flies like a brick. Clean, nothing on it, starting altitude 2,000ft perform a split S at a controlled 400 kts, you will come close to smacking the ground. While in BMS you can perform a split S within 1000 feet. Hell DCS even sucks in the training department, here buy this plane for 80 bucks and not get any training content to teach you how to utilize this aircraft effectively, just read the manuals, no video, no special training mode, just manual. But yet Falcon had videos, and a properly done step by step manual to go along with it to train you. While others like Jane's USAF had in sim training for each step and would nag you until you performed said actions in training. I played every iteration that Preceded DCS and I full on agree, ED needs to create a completely new engine from the ground up and have accurate flight models, better more realistic damage modeling, and better AI, the old engine just can't do it.
@WanderfalkeAT
@WanderfalkeAT 3 күн бұрын
You did not implement the amazing Commance 3 and Longbow Series here?
@SirCabooseCCCP
@SirCabooseCCCP 3 күн бұрын
i beat an F-22 AI with a Su-25
@os910
@os910 3 күн бұрын
thank you for making this video. the only 90s flight sim i played was TFX. We never got to play other sims mentioned except Falcon 4 because they were not popular in Pakistan. But this video shows alot of awesome flight sims I missed and how feature rich they were.
@andrewa837
@andrewa837 3 күн бұрын
If Falcon 4 was popular in Pakistan you already got the best :)
@Scott11078
@Scott11078 Күн бұрын
TFX was awesome
@shaolindonnie
@shaolindonnie 3 күн бұрын
wow,this brings back memory`s..falcon 4.0,micropose..it used to be my favorite!
@M.K.123x
@M.K.123x 3 күн бұрын
Good AI and DCS would be the best sim ever.
@Zacho5
@Zacho5 3 күн бұрын
I pay to play MP with a diverse set of aircraft. Thats always been the case with DCS/LOMAC.
@SpudGunMcGee
@SpudGunMcGee 3 күн бұрын
sim dark age feelsbadman
@siplt
@siplt 3 күн бұрын
nah and i still lose 💀💀💀😭
@Oi-mj6dv
@Oi-mj6dv 4 күн бұрын
man i remember playing DID f-22 sim as a kid. it was all frustration until i got my head around on how to actually lock targets and fire some aim9 and am120. i wish more sims reproduced the 90s campaing style of those back in the day games and not be barren empty worlds outside of a cockpit. Might even give BMS a try!
@nuclearsu
@nuclearsu 4 күн бұрын
I didn't get a single thing that was going on during this video (basically), since I am not familiar with advanced fighter jet combat lol, but I can TOTALLY understand that having the DCS AI CRASH INTO THE TERRAIN is completely outrageously bad. I could also tell the 1998 AI was surviving far longer than the 2024 AI, and it seemed like you were having a difficult time with the 1998 one. Being beat by a 1998 sim is extremely embarrassing 😅😅You've actually convinced me to check out that 1998 game and learn how to do combat in fighter jets lol
@Its.Cube.
@Its.Cube. 4 күн бұрын
Great Video! Most Studios don't even try anymore these days as long as money comes in somehow. I just found out about this game (+BMS) since i'm interested in "DCS-like" simulators. Never heard of Falcon BMS but looks super intersting! Are there still active players? Do i have to be fluent in "aviation" to play it? (I'm a Beginner)
@Failed101
@Failed101 4 күн бұрын
just to let you know, they are trying to make it better, like there is a growing sidewinder video from a year ago showing a better dogfighting ai, so yeah, im not defending it, im just saying, also, compare the DCS ai to war thunder ai
@stormjet814
@stormjet814 Күн бұрын
Nah even the ec map wt ai will shoot at you if you get too close to the bombers they’re escorting😂
@Failed101
@Failed101 Күн бұрын
@@stormjet814 ik that, you think i dont play sim? and im talking that wt ai is better than dcs
@CARST_IN_THE_AIR
@CARST_IN_THE_AIR 4 күн бұрын
I am missing Jane's Fighters Anthology. Not realistic at all, but for me the most fun sim of the 1990s. I spend hundreds of hours playing the campaigns in that game.
@FlyingWithSpurts
@FlyingWithSpurts 4 күн бұрын
Falcon 4.0 was so ahead of it's time that other than Graphically it still has not been surpassed as a single plane study level sim.
@SnowTiger45
@SnowTiger45 4 күн бұрын
Plus Falcon (any version) was pretty much 100% functional and complete upon release. You didn't have to wait YEARS to receive all the functionality of any aircraft.
@ReplayAction868
@ReplayAction868 4 күн бұрын
online is different. I like it playing online.
@WanderfalkeAT
@WanderfalkeAT 4 күн бұрын
Trust me, you flying a Mig-23 -> you also would not turnfight a F-16, you'd extend for miles and turn back for a frontal attack again. You'd also not start vertical maneuvers because of the hard time you'd have to set the wing sweep for climb and dive. There is almost nothing that can beat the mig-23's acceleration in straigt flight, so he tries that instead. That mig-23 in Falcon 4.0 flew like a guy in a Mig-21 and lost all his energy within seconds. You were even able to shoot at him with the gun.
@andrewa837
@andrewa837 4 күн бұрын
Anything is better than literally flying straight. It's funny despite how primitive the flight models and aircraft are in Falcon 4.0 you still see the wings sweep realistically. I have lots of other footage of the mig23s doing it.
@SasNolan
@SasNolan 4 күн бұрын
But the training servers have AI tuned up and it is competitive.
@andrewa837
@andrewa837 4 күн бұрын
I can't speak for that but this is all Ace. I just did a few fights today, what's weird is the A-10 put up the best fight, followed by Viper, followed by Mig-21, in terms of AI skill.
@BlueMax109
@BlueMax109 5 күн бұрын
To add insult to injury. When you try to watch back the track where the AI has done the same thing over and over like clockwork it will change when you try to replay it.