I am agnostic, but enjoy watching your content.

Rodger Olsen doesn't want a God who can do what He wants when He wants, he also keeps walking over his own argument by saying God doesn't control all things but He steers in the general direction, well if you're steering you're controlling

I am a friend of the late great Pastor Enyart, and I recall asking him to ask James to exegete 1 Sam 13:13, with a fair focus on the term "now". If "now" doesn't mean what it implies then why is the term in the Word over 1000's times?

Greeting from Littleton. "Open Theism" is a heresy.

The majority of people that have endured extreme suffering in this life, endured it their entire life (oppression, torture, and slavery in millenia past). They never even had a chance to consider how it may work out to their good because they just had to survive every day - all their short miserable life. But don't worry - this is a grand master plan on how God glorifies and honors himself and God will explain himself to these people as they suffer again in hell. It's easy to see how people living today in the richest country that has ever existed have a Calvinist view. Can you imagine the moment you get mature enough in life that your parents tell you they have decreed and ordained everything you will do in your life and that they are doing that for their own purposes. What part of that is good and healthy? Good loving parents or psychopath-control freaks?

Goodness- still defending the totally one-sided debate with Bob from years ago at the nice hotel? Let it go already...God is our living Creator who loves us so much that he has gone great lengths to share a wonderful relationship with us for eternity. We are all predestined for salvation but only those that love Christ will be saved!

Bob Enyart conflates Calvinism to Greek philosophy as much as you conflate open theism to Mormonism.

Sexual abuse - You would say God did this to you ultimately for his glory. I'd say God was not in the heart, mind or ways of the rapist, but the rapist was in rebellion to God. Why does God allow it?- He allows all of us a measure of freedom so love can be meaningful. If you can't hate your wife, your love of her is meaningless. Do you want to be with someone because they have no choice (Just following a computer script) to be with you? How does love work if you kidnap someone and try to force it? I can also say to the rapist- God is not a rapist, He didn't rape you - and you can trust that because HE is against rape. Using the apostles?? They were persecuted for righteousness' sake - they were not being persecuted by God..

Trying to tag Enyart with Mormonism won't due. (Because even they have some truth) This is about which view of God (attributes) is correct. You DO believe God's revealed standard in His word, God absolutely violates as he determines ahead of time: ppl to murder, rape, commit adultery and when he warns ppl not to do such things - and they do - He is the one making sure they do it. That those he pursues that don't repent - he made sure they did not repent and then gets upset with them. That the bible is not truly the evidence of what God is doing - but rather is measured by reality itself. So if God is against Israels child sacrifices and says so AND claims they should not have done it - but it happens - we must believe the true will of God is seen in that reality and He actually wanted it to happen.

If open theism is true how did jesus prophecy his own death , burial and resurrection?

Dr. White, thank you for your debates, particularly with Enyart, and hard honest answers on this topic. I am constantly learning- and God places people in my path to challenge me and grow in my knowledge of Him. As an example, I prepare, as best I can, not for the debate with non-believers, but for their possible responses to the Gospel message. That being said, I was in a breakout group at my church- where my wife and I are becoming certified Biblical counselors through our church- and while in the group we were discussing Romans 8 (an assigned reading for the class). I mentioned God's sovereignty as delineated in Romans 8 and happened to mention that this is where we would meet some conflict with counselee's, particularly pointing to struggles, trials, loss and grief in their lives. I might add that I have a Master's Degree in Christian counseling and hold firm to Biblical truths about God's sovereign will and election. Moving forward, one of the men in our break out group waited until a break in the class and followed me to the restroom and attempted to corner me on my beliefs- He began the conversation by asking me what I thought of "open theism". I explained that I was not particularly familiar with it- however, the name alone sent my red flags up. He explained that it has to do with our free will and God's free will, and then he asked me if i was a Calvinist. Immediately I surmised where this conversation was going. I knew that he was going to propose that God's will changes through out time and based on the decisions of mankind. Not knowing much about open theism I might add. I must say, this immediate recognition of the trajectory of this impending conversation became known to me- not because I have forethought of my own doing, but, I believe, because as I read scripture, the Holy Spirit has removed the scales from my eyes and the white noise of this world from ears, in order that I have eyes to see and ears to hear. So, I give all credit to God for immediately recognizing that His truths were about to be challenged by someone who calls themselves a believer ( I will address that in a moment). All of this being said, I recognized a few similar traits in this man's refutation of the Doctrine of Election- but he did not refute it with scripture in context, much like Enyart your debate with him. He attempted to refute election using feeling totally detached from the context of the scriptures he was using. I digress- and I will say, the remainder of the conversation did not go well. He left in a huff as our 10 minute break ended and we did not speak more if this the remainder of the class (2 hours or so). Interestingly enough, my wife caught part of the conversation and we discussed the heresy of this man's beliefs for about an hour after our class. But, while we discussed the heresy of his assertions- I found it necessary to research "Open Theism" and came across your material. I have watched some of your debates and videos in the past, so I knew I was going to get a deep, rich lesson from you. So- this is a very long story to simply say thank you for your work. In close, I find my heart hurting today for this man and all people who are falling for this heretical view of God. This view makes God small, and the God I serve is NOT small. This view makes God wishy-washy and indecisive- the God I serve is neither; ruling all things with His might and perfect wisdom, standing outside of time, space and human understanding. I now struggle with anyone who holds Open Theism as truth, because a lesser view of God, a view of an un-Biblical God, could in fact mean that they are not truly saved... or am I wrong here?. God bless and thank you!

Bob won that debate. Per context and point. Listen again

IMO reformed theology has been responsible for dividing the Church and will lead to its ultimate demise. Reformed theology is spoken about in the comments here with such loose lips. I've listened to enough James White to know I need salt and cheese for that pretzel he is twisting theology into. The Omni's and the Imm's are attributes applied to our Creator by men. How convenient. How about just reading God's Word to learn of our Creator? I don't need James White or any other teacher of reformed theology to convince me they know better than the very One who inspired the writing of the scriptures.

Bob to busy being a piece of shit.

Can't hold your position intellectually in a debate with Bob so you make a video saying why he's wrong? You lost the debate because you were wrong brother, give it up. No one likes the sore loser....

Keep grasping at straws, Jim. By the way, your book against KJV-Onlyism is the best.

James could you address the accusation and the evidences of your contradiction concerning God's nature and immutability presented here on this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sLKZg9OU1rmvhoU.html.... also James,,,on the video here 14:42 The question presented is..Does God decree child rape. You have answered this very question as YES! YES God decrees the rape of children! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l9qBYNuFp7a9hp8.html. .. it should be obvious to you that God can change and that God is good ... but if your version of God cant change then no one should worship him because its not good to decree the rape of children. FYI.. and I watched many of your debates and learned a lot. .. I hope this helps.

Religion is a learned delusion.

Dr. White, it's not the Bible that claims that God knows us before we exist. It's Mormonism that claims this. Mormonism teaches that we exist in the spirit in heaven as the result of a communion between a Mormon god and a mother goddess. These spirit children are then deposited into earth when humans have sex. So the Mormon god can know you before you exist. But how can God know someone who does not exist? He can't know the unknowable. So rather than accuse an Open Theist of being Mormon, you must accuse yourself. In Christ, Tom Healey .

Problems for Arminians ….." You can't have the absolute inerrancy of scripture, (God in control of every grammatical construction, every jot and tittle) and at the same time have the free will thoughts and views expressed by the authors of the same scripture ; If so, then God got EXTREMELY LUCKY." … Dr. Bruce Ware So either God controls us or He doesn't, at least when it comes to the things He wants us to do that glorify Him ; like expressing saving faith... Yashua said "No man can come to me unless it is granted by the father.." These are hard words for arminians to choke on.

I just got here after listening to the debate, and his predictions were surprisingly accurate

Who is Calvin? Why do Christians go by the name Calvinism? Was he a Holy man who spoke by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Is his doctrine profitable for reproof and correction? Or just endless debate? I recall reading somewhere that he was complicit in having a man burned at the stake.

The future is open and not settled. God did not decree that I write this like God did not decree James White would one day make the gree will choice to be also known as DrOakley.

Free Book on Open Theism: biblicaltruthresources.wordpress.com/2017/11/30/open-theism-prophecy-definition-debate-heresy-books-boyd-questions-verses-explained/

The narcissism of small differences personified

This guy is so condescending and arrogant. I am trying to listen to this whole thing, but he is such a horrible person I can't take him seriously. The disrespect. The mocking tone. The pride. The sickening mannerisms. His arguments may be good and even great, but I just can't listen to this guy. He treats other Christians worse then he treats all of the cult-members he addresses. I am not sure why...?

Yep,they have God LEARNING something .When they claim He looks down through time to gain knowledge,they cannot get around it,they have God taking in knowledge from outside of Himself.The Molinist has God's hands tied by having Him choose from some 'preset" multiplicity of scenarios where God has to choose from in order to save the most people and lose the least to Hell.Question: WHO has limited GOD TO THESE CHOICES THAT HE MUST CHOOSE FROM? If we find that person,then we have found the REAL GOD! The Bible says that God DOES ALL HE PLEASES and this includes,but is not limited to,how HE chose to create and this is what scares the pants off of them and causes them to reject the ONE TRUE GOD for a made up god.

The Arminian doesn't believe the doctrines of grace because he doesn't believe he is as wicked as God says we all are.The natural man can do nothing but sin,he cannot please God in the flesh,he cannot obey any of God's commands,this is the very reason why God must do everything in salvation,from the ELECTION of His people until the Glorification.The natural man ,as well as the saved man,is being restrained by God to keep him from sinning or else ,everyone would become Jeffery Dalmer or worse ,this is what the Arminian will deny.

The interesting question is whether Open Theism is heresy, or merely "error". In a "practical sense", I take heresy as an explicit rejection of something explicitly mentioned in the Word, or in a "theoretical sense", an error so severe that no one with the indwelling and illuminating presence of the Spirit could possibly make (and I say "theoretical" because we really can't fully perceive the hearts of others). I'm reluctant to call it full blown heresy, because they don't really deny God's ability to predict the future or regenerate sinners--they just say He does those things via abundance of power, rather than by exhaustive foreknowledge or meticulous control. Furthermore, I sorta take Matthew Henry's view that properly done philosophy has actually enhanced our Biblical theology: namely, God's people, themselves, prior to the days when concepts like "omniscience" or "omnipotence" had been rigorously studied, may well not have fully understood those as attributes of God (surely, there have been saved people throughout history who probably couldn't have articulated those concepts at all, let alone conceived of God as having them). We really can't even know the extent to which the Prophets understood God to have those traits, especially since the "science" of rigorously, academically, and formally defining God's attributes was decidedly low on their priority list. Actually, the beautiful harmony between the "philosopher's God" and Scripture is a remarkable testimony to infallible divine inspiration. In any case, though, I wouldn't be surprised if MANY of God's people--particularly the "common folk" without any advanced education--held to some form of Open Theism. In fact, I think Scripture may well have been written with so many "anthropomorphisms" (and I believe taking those anthropomorphisms overly literally is a primary cause of Open Theism) so that regular people could better form a basic concept of God. OTOH, I suppose it's a whole 'nother matter when an intelligent, educated man like Enyart, who knows about these classical divine attributes (and who's responsible for pastoring a flock, to boot), chooses to actively despise them...

Amen!!

I'm not sure if it's been said here (frankly, I could no longer wade through the muck of some of the comments on this video), but the claim that Dr. White made about the Genetic Fallacy is false for one reason. The objection is not what is stated by Dr. White. He states that the Openness objection is, since Negative Theology (the omni's and im's) has it's origins in Greek Philosophy, it is necessarily wrong. This is not the objection. The objection is that Negative Theology stands in contrast to the Bible. That we can trace the entrance of this brand of theology in church history, only goes to support the fact that it is not Jewish in origin, nor does it find credence in the earliest of the church fathers. The You-too claim that because open theists use logic only demonstrates this misunderstanding. You'll also notice that Dr. White does not dispute the fact that Negative Theology is Greek in origin, only that it's origins does not make Negative Theology necessarily false. Open Theists would agree that it's origins do not make it false, but contend that the biblical record falsifies Greek Theology. These two religions stand in opposition historically. The only true God is revealed in scripture, and while some truth can be reached by reason, the fundamental flaw in the logic of Negative Theology is the premise of Plato concerning change and perfection. He claimed that anything that is perfect cannot change. This is questionable, if not demonstrably false. After all, God looked at a changing world and called it Good. Bottom line: dismissing the objection of Open Theist's as a Genetic Fallacy is in itself a Straw-man. Open Theists object to the adherence to Greek Deity within Christianity due to it's being contrary to the revealed God of the Bible.

I wonder if James ever gets sick of talking about the same damn thing over and over and over again for decades. Reformed theology is awesome, everything else sucks. We get it... And don't get me started on Flowers...

I got the perfect descrtption for Bob Enyart. He dares to ask you for information, and then his words are actually saying i dont want you to teach me, i want to know your sources so i can read it myself adn be taught by the source not taught by you. In other words he wants to accuse you of cherry picking and claim he isnt doing that. When i listen to what he says on Mayan and Aztec and its all false because its cherry picked to think his way. A 360-day setup of 18 units of 20 days is not an Aztec 360-day year because Aztec add the 5 days each and every year. Unlike the Maya who have BOTH. Yet the Maya are not the genius he likes to proclaim these pagans as because the Maya have no 6th day, a leap day, and also because they can confuse 2-0-0 as twice 400 cows or days or whatever, with 2-0-0 as twice 360 days or two years. Further, Mayans make no correction for 584-day Venus and when they did at times do so, they also then corrected it right back to fit 584-day calendar dates. Cannot do this. In 5128 haab of 365-day spanning our 5124 years the venus will drift back 248 days from its five haab dates of 8 years. That correction is proven NOT to be made when Thompson shows 3114bc is honored in 100bc as 3016 haab of 584-day Venus proving no correction made to be a precision Venus. So their 650AD claim from NASA is crap and as i said posted to RSR that NASA crashed millions of dollars speeding into Mars becaue they used British meters mixed with american feet. Thsi makes Bob Enyart as nothing more than a hype media like the big mouths following Jesus to discredit Jesus. How sad we have to deal with encounters from him. Since he intruded on my life, I am happy to stand with you in open eyes of what he is. Humble and corrective he is not. By the way, his site mention 2510bc Chinese which means he rejects masoretic Flood or places Chinese as surviving it like Egyptians too. There is no truth where men debate instead of gather to discuss.

God will be what he wants to be, and he lets man be free will, but the result of mans free will can and will suffer in deviation from God's physical laws which is why we make moral law to keep the physical law. Such as sex is a moral law because disease is caused by not abiding the physical.

yes he does. He takes partials and makes it his whole view what he sees on those partial words. You could mention what God says and he wouldn't hear past that you claim God is talking right now. He has a conclusion before he hears where you are going. He is radio media hype and he needs a debate that is NOT one on one, but he needs to be brave enough to take on THREE because that's what a judgment on Satan will be, from THREE witnesses. Satan thinks that one on one with God that he wins too.

I have exact dates for all calendars, he has none. Yet he dares to criticize and exalt himself by claiming i make stuff up. Knowledge is derived. It is not cherry-picked quotes like he does. He claimed Aztec calendar different from Mayan. It is only different in being shifted to different dates. But both are 18 of 20-day units for 360 days. Both have a 360-day plus 5 to make 365-day. But there is no record of 360-day for Aztec, it is Mayan only. So he is wrong because he reads all quotes as a means to imply and not knowing what he is quoting. And he praises his quotes as being sources.

I don't like the guy. He is looking for others to buy him the book of calendars on Amazon. And i have had the book since 1982 and it is loaded with 100s of errors mathematically. So he sent me an email saying just what i thought you make everything up because i expressed my Armageddon views on asteroid impact. And i bet because i speak in the name of Jehovah. Much of what you criticize religion for, fits what he is.

i dont think open theism is properly defined and has the same meaning to all people

isnt it sad you have to address the issues after a debate was intended to address them LOL. What does that say about Enyarts listening. There are things we regard evil that are not. I dont mean thinking a dog chewing up your baby means God took it to heaven that way. I mean that jesus said the tree seed must cease (die) to become a growing tree. That is we must kill the tree to carve the chair. So people can see things of God as evil that are not evil, saying oh the poor tree, just to make a chair. people like this save dogs and kill people. Saying no dogs know any better and all people do know better. God doesnt give anyone a hearty attack other than for eating too much cholesterol. Just like he doesnt cure gonnorhea with prayed holy water but penicillin, and he doesnt give you HIV because you stole someone's money. God is realtive to all he does. YOU see what he does by cause effect do and result. That is why Moses labeled him as he is what he is YHWH. It is like the right and wrong definition of FATE. The bullet is fired it will make a hole. But that doesnt mean where the hole is intended or not intended by God. His phyiscal law obeys and does. Responsibility is ours just like it is God's. To blame him is to excuse yourself. Blaming God for HItler is an intent to excuse Hitler saying it's God's problem not Hitler's. This is why all courts are screwed up, jailing innocent and freeing criminals having juries who have F_ckd brains and with money the judges and attorneys freely play the game without getting the same penalty of the crime being tried.

i may or may not think you a man of God. But i find i can listen to you and not to Enyart because his words so often come at you in the same manner as words following Jesus around with malice intent.

God restrains evil in people by playing their game. He will let them be enticed by a sin of want or greed or hate that leads them away from what he wishes to protect. I like to say the ole cartoons have four on our shoulders not two. The angel and devil on our shoulders has another face, but yet we should also see another two on our shoulders with OUR face because we too do not just allow God or allow Satan to play us, we also do it to ourselves. Both claimed theories are true. See this, and you can see thru people, their own hate, or hate by others motivating them.

If Jesus was The Passion it was willing to die for his beliefs, not kill for these beliefs. You can tell in conversation whether a person kills in his faith. And so i agree he and his church sound very passionate like Pharisees and Saducees killing Jesus. The return of the christ is the church whom the other sects kill as they killed him. That is what is meant by the return is identical to the first presence. GREEK? Five calendars cross on the date 2021bc December 25 as a Greek date. It means they beleived the end of the world ws 365 leap days in 1460 years and so in 560bc the Christ comes back as Noah. Same concept as asking if John is Elijah coming back. Two men qualify as that Noah-christ building a church, the one is Persian Cyris crowned in 560bc and the other is birth of Buddha to mother Maya equivalent to India's Gau-Mata the Cow-Mother (one Persian, one in India) the Persian one was a Mede priest by the name of Smerdis because 1508 years is 365 solar leapdays in 523bc. Enyart says i make up this crap but he is the one who threw comment at me for correcting 1000 mistakes in Am,azon sales THE BOOK OF CALENDARS. I have the university of wisconsin Parkside library board verify every mistake and thats BEFORE i found double the mistales as i studied further. However, Enyart says i am not allowed my own discoveries i must quote others as being a source of knowing what i dont know and so far above me is then correct only because i quote such a better source than what i am. Need i say pompous ass killing jesus with other churches when the time comes. He will stand with other churches to kill the one that proves true. I am tired of referring to angels as demons when i do see so many humans as far worse than what angels did before the Flood.

stay up there in your altitude when the asteroid hits. Tectonic baptism is between 6000-8000 feet. Enyart thinks i fabricate when i say a faultline exists visual from the sky between Denver and the mountains. he says i need a SOURCE to prove anything to him because he listens to GREATER sources than me LOL

I listen to Dr. White every single night before I go to bed, for about 4 years now, and I STILL don't understand Calvinism fully. I am starting to think I will never understand it... limited atonement screws me up the most, but I am trying and praying to understand it.... I don't want my salvation to be of any part MY doing, and I love that it is "All Of Grace" (as Spurgeon wrote) but there must be something wrong with my brain.... plus I think that if genius (and saved) minds like Ravi Z and William Lane Craig cannot wrap their brains around Calvinism, then how do I stand a chance? Dr. White says that Judas / Pharroh / etc were carrying out the sin that they enjoy in their hearts, but then how can God - who created us a certain way - hold us truly responsible? The more I learn the more I am confused...

Troddinsod you still about?

+Fred flintstone, Grace, Peace, and LOVE In CHRIST Alone. i get what you're saying, and understand how it could be prideful. That said, do you understand the need to call someone to consistency? Yes, before the debate! Have you ever debated anyone? It is extremely offensive and frustrating to be misrepresented, and to debate someone who is not consistent. There is one consistency that i want to point out in Bob's view: he takes arminianism to its logical conclusion, being truly man-centered, and characterising GOD from that perspective. Of course, you must be thoroughly heretical to do this. But the "stop it James" is out of line sir. All rebuke is to be given by/from Holy Scripture, in LOVE. You did not do this. So, how is your comment any better than the very thing that you criticised?

Cheese is yellow.

James White in my opinion is demonic! Check his face out in this video. He's even beginning to look like a demon!! Scary!! He's sinking deeper and deeper into himself just as the pharisees did when confronted with truth!! I'm convinced that he is so deep in apostasy that he would never admit he was wrong even if the HS slapped him in the face!! He has boasted that his faith is divine that's why he'll persevere! Please! Can anyone even imagine a humble JW??

I don't understand why so many debaters do these pre, and or post debate "Chest Thumping" youtube videos. Seems weak, childish. Why send public warnings, or criticisms of the opponents debate content. I really hate this. If you want to send a message to a debate opponent do it privately. I'm a big fan of James R. White, and hold his position with regard to open theism, but I feel embarrassed for him and a little ashamed when he does this. Stop it James. Just do the debates, keep the debates in the debate forum, and leave this childish backbiting to the children.

So off I go to listen to the debate now. Interesting thought in my mind. Having more of a middle position on this I disagree with both me. Even though I go not hold to open theism I am more tolerant of that view than I am of Dr. Whites view. Even though that's the case I expect to hear Dr. White dominate in this debate. Respect.