Cowes Week 2016 Day 1
12:39
7 жыл бұрын
Round the Island Race 2016
3:49
7 жыл бұрын
No escape for "Escape"
4:12
12 жыл бұрын
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@christiandalgas3082
@christiandalgas3082 Ай бұрын
Les air-bags existent pour les voitures...pourquoi pas en tête de mât pour les multis !!! C.D.
@chrisomalley50
@chrisomalley50 3 ай бұрын
I remember sailing past this upturned trimaran, after the crew had been recovered. I was on a Moody 33. Quite a few of the boats entered had not started or had retired by then. First time I've ever seen the photos. It was blowing some 25-27 kts on the eastbound leg.
@jimcoughlin9932
@jimcoughlin9932 3 ай бұрын
Surprised the main was sheeted
@AdeboFunkyVoodoo
@AdeboFunkyVoodoo 4 ай бұрын
If you race perfomance multihulls and you have never capsized? Then you haven't really raced performance multihulls. Which is fine. It's just a bit rich to then criticise those that do and who inevitably push it over the limit. That's racing. Christ, even Ben Ainsley and Jimmy Spithill tip theirs over every now and again.
@Milian7771
@Milian7771 4 ай бұрын
Atleast it didnt sink.
@the-naked-sailor
@the-naked-sailor 4 ай бұрын
Was she recovered?
@the-naked-sailor
@the-naked-sailor 4 ай бұрын
Spinnakers should be outlawed. No one knows when to use them, and more importantly, when not to.
@petergray6800
@petergray6800 10 ай бұрын
Dump the halyard for the kite, let the main sheet go. Looks the kooks were intentionally trying to sink that Dragonfly. Also maybe the leeward ama had the hatch open as it appears to be full of water . I would not have paid them a cent of insurance. That is just negligent sailing..
@lesteranddonna
@lesteranddonna 10 ай бұрын
Wit those seas why would you be carrying so much sail ?
@jimj2683
@jimj2683 11 ай бұрын
It needs an automatic system to loosen the sails when it senses the boat tipping.
@deankruse2891
@deankruse2891 3 ай бұрын
AKA a crew. Stuff happens, but that’s a lot of sail for those conditions, that thing could have been hammering with just the mainsail on a broad reach. Add just the jib and that boat would have been humming
@DuzBee
@DuzBee 11 ай бұрын
Over powered, lifted a hull and kept going…. The end…. Well done.
@andrewscottlester
@andrewscottlester Жыл бұрын
thats a lot of sail up. wow
@Rick_Osgood
@Rick_Osgood Жыл бұрын
Most annoying transition I've ever seen. It was difficult to see exactly what was happening because of that weird special effect.
@guydepoorter
@guydepoorter Жыл бұрын
Should they have had the centerboard up ?
@jameslittlewood7821
@jameslittlewood7821 Жыл бұрын
Darn it bro that sucks. Seen it happen and it’s never petty. To the armchair critics: it’s called racing guys, shit happens fast. In the last 2 Americas Cups all finalists and winners have capsized at some point in the campaign, and no team that hasn’t capsized has made finals. Why? Call it boundary knowledge.
@winstoncat6785
@winstoncat6785 11 ай бұрын
It's all fine until someone gets hurt or worse. Then it's yahoos, being idiots and causing real damage. This stuff should not happen. If it does, you are being irresponsible.
@jameslittlewood7821
@jameslittlewood7821 11 ай бұрын
@@winstoncat6785how do you know the crew of this boat weren’t being responsible? Yacht racing has intrinsic risks and anyone who reckons they can be reduced to 0 is spinning a line of bullshit.
@soulcapitalist6204
@soulcapitalist6204 Жыл бұрын
Just reef. You'll still make the same speed.
@winstoncat6785
@winstoncat6785 11 ай бұрын
On top of everything else, this ^^
@jeffkelly6580
@jeffkelly6580 Жыл бұрын
Too much sail for the wind will do this. Obviously.
@user-oe2ti1fb8r
@user-oe2ti1fb8r Жыл бұрын
All round poor seamanship. Too much sail, too much ego. Hope someone learned a lesson.
@AORD72
@AORD72 10 ай бұрын
You don't win races with the least amount of sail.
@conspire260
@conspire260 Жыл бұрын
should of got a corsair
@frankjohnson8750
@frankjohnson8750 Жыл бұрын
All I can say is, SAD 😥
@AORD72
@AORD72 10 ай бұрын
Why? it is how great memories are made. They are racing. I bet they considered this senario happening at some stage. What is lucky is they have great pictures to show people.
@markandoyo2204
@markandoyo2204 2 жыл бұрын
I think they underestimated the full-potential with using their spinnakers as though spinnakers primarily intent at low gust of wind as yet the spinnakers not to be the ideal solutions in the lightweight boats
@AORD72
@AORD72 10 ай бұрын
It's racing. You carry as much sail as you can. They just failed to ease the kite in time.
@Sean85Laney
@Sean85Laney 2 жыл бұрын
Geezus
@josemrodriguez3080
@josemrodriguez3080 2 жыл бұрын
Its quite clear seeing the sail trim what happened and final touch wind on tramp effect - easily preventable on any boat by just blowing all sheets fast and early enough - of course knowing your boat is crucial to anticipate/sense you're on/near that edge - sure a gust can suprise you knock you over in second - so having eyes to weather calling gusts helps and sheets in hand ready to release in an instant - in a race its faster to trim in again than recover from a broach or capsize - says I with 5 decades+ sailing-racing-bluewater deliverys-charter skipper and former AK halibut longliner - no armchair here LOL
@Orcinus1967
@Orcinus1967 Жыл бұрын
Wind on tramp effect? I did not see the initial event. To me it looked like they may have pitch poled, or dug the port pontoon into a wave. looking up broach now...ah. So they probably broached?
@josemrodriguez3080
@josemrodriguez3080 11 ай бұрын
@@Orcinus1967 The trampoline also is affected by windage- once one the amas/hulls is up just enough then it exacerbates /adds to the windage on the sails etc an extra push is added to contribute to going over. The tramps can also complicate righting the vessel if the wind catches them before it righted. I've heard of and not common where if the winds were really high the webbing had to be loosened to either remove trampoline or slack enough to open a slot for the wind not keep flipping back over
@Orcinus1967
@Orcinus1967 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for edifying everyone. @@josemrodriguez3080
@evanty5372
@evanty5372 2 жыл бұрын
Transitions between photos made me want to vomit.
@andressoliven3225
@andressoliven3225 2 жыл бұрын
Why they dont pulled the spinmaker,its dangerous for the upwind.
@davidlecornu252
@davidlecornu252 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant shots it's taught me something so important, I thankyou 😊 I am so glad they got out OK. We all Learn from our mistakes, those who don't- don't improve - those who don't try harder next time & Learn for that experience or from others making mistakes- never achieves perfection. Those who think they know it all, usually know nothing, or has never pushed the Envelope- & survived- in my experience- never judge people on their mistakes- Learn from them - thank them for their knowledge & experience of making mistakes for you to Learn at no cost to yourselves. So I say thankyou to photographer & to skipper & crew - 🤠🙈🙉🙊👍
@daijones101
@daijones101 2 жыл бұрын
Why didn't they let the main sheet completely go and why did they hang onto the Spinniker so long?
@AORD72
@AORD72 10 ай бұрын
Maybe it jammed. Maybe they slipped.
@davidprocter3578
@davidprocter3578 2 жыл бұрын
Great photo's a visual lesson to us all. What I don't get is how they managed to release the kites sheet but failed to release the main sheet. I can only imagine some one froze.Better trained crew called for.I certainly would not be putting out in those conditions with crew that were inexperienced in dealing with them and definitely would not fly a kite if I had. How many seconds do your pics cover?
@winstoncat6785
@winstoncat6785 11 ай бұрын
Once the boat's hulls are up like that, the windage on them is also large, and added to momentum, waves, and still some force from the sail, as well as losing any dagger board effect, or keel force, you are pretty much going over.
@davidprocter3578
@davidprocter3578 11 ай бұрын
Yes you are quite right , the trick is to prevent it happening in the first place.@@winstoncat6785
@dancarter482
@dancarter482 10 ай бұрын
@@winstoncat6785 Yeah, the rig is still accelerating while the ama has stopped dead .. .. .....
@alanbingham5883
@alanbingham5883 3 жыл бұрын
Love some of these comments from the armchair brigade who have never been in a trimaran let alone turtled in one. Guys, things happen quick and its hard to walk uphill hanging on while trying to get leverage to let a sheet go. I know this, been there. Its the kite that did them in. A masthead kite and when the bow staked the center of effort went straight forward and over the top digging it in more. Setting a kite at about 3/4 mast height (ie a smaller one) would have reduced this problem. As for letting the main go, sure, that would also move the center of effort well forward too. Just what you want, right? I think not. Sheet it in and bring the draft aft. As for those lead mine lovers, sure it may have come back up, but having also had a J boat go down under me with all the washing up I can tell you that I'd rather be on an upside down multi that floats than swimming as the boat goes down under me.
@laurimyllyvirta467
@laurimyllyvirta467 2 жыл бұрын
I sail tris too and it does look to me like it was recoverable by dumping the main after the boat has rounded up. At that point it was first the main and then the tramp that was pushing her down, after they'd dumped the kite. It's not a critique of the crew; I've pitchpoled a couple of times in a blow and that teaches you humility, but if I had video of those I know I would watch it over and over to figure what I should have done to keep her mast pointing the right way.
@cappyjpadgett
@cappyjpadgett 3 жыл бұрын
Spinnakers are for lite wind sailing,they were their own worst enemy in the accident
@jameslittlewood7821
@jameslittlewood7821 Жыл бұрын
Get a life
@AORD72
@AORD72 10 ай бұрын
They were racing, you push things to the max. Just weren't quick enough to release the kite.
@cappyjpadgett
@cappyjpadgett 10 ай бұрын
@@AORD72yep,then you sink a perfectly good boat……
@AORD72
@AORD72 10 ай бұрын
@@cappyjpadgett They don't sink they are full of flotation. it would have been reflipped and been back out sailing in no time. Have you ever been racing in rough conditions? I have and I've seen many yachts flipped, de masted, sails blown out, walls of white water go over boats, yachts launch off waves, yachts colliding etc. Even been on a 20 foot yacht that once sunk with a jammed kite and it was sailing the next weekend. These things can be expected while racing, you don't win by holding back, you have as much sail up as you can, to go as fast as you can.
@cappyjpadgett
@cappyjpadgett 10 ай бұрын
@@AORD72 ok,so would you wanna flip? And then there’s the. Nance the mast would break right?
@seandelaney1700
@seandelaney1700 3 жыл бұрын
As an experienced racer this type of boat with this much sail up needs a crack crew that’s “on it”. I love the effort, it must have been a great ride to the crash site. Lesson? Know your limitations, regarding type of boat and amount of sail.
@toddjordan2341
@toddjordan2341 3 жыл бұрын
I find the comments more amusing than the video and is evidence that most KZfaq commenters have never sailed out of their armchair.
@adr3000
@adr3000 Жыл бұрын
useful quip. thanks chap. we all learned about your ego.
@DuzBee
@DuzBee 11 ай бұрын
Haha ironically you became the very person you are criticising, an arm chair warrior. Interestingly the sail was over powered for the conditions, if enough people are saying it, what do you think, it must have some weight of truth in it.
@jameslittlewood7821
@jameslittlewood7821 11 ай бұрын
💯 accurate summary
@jbond7
@jbond7 3 жыл бұрын
A good lesson here on how to turn a potentially good video into the most annoying video. Could you not have just made a video out of the photos? Unbearable to watch--after 20-seconds I just jumped forward.
@jonasfriis6088
@jonasfriis6088 2 жыл бұрын
Its because he didnt take the video. He just got the pictures on the internet and made it into a video. And the drone or heli probably didnt have the ability to take video. Cameras like that do exist
@DADGAD_Rick
@DADGAD_Rick 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder? After all was said and done, how much damage was there to the boat and the rigging? Was the boat subsequently repaired or was it taken as a total loss?
@AntonHu
@AntonHu Жыл бұрын
If I recall correctly, they lost the mast.
@Donechanging
@Donechanging 3 жыл бұрын
Powerpoint is back, wow
@davidkasday5484
@davidkasday5484 4 жыл бұрын
Keep telling yourself you did nothing wrong and wanted to continue "as fast as you could." Not so fast now since you capsized. Your arrogance and stupidity are unbelievable. When the lee ama is submerged past 50%, any competent trimaran sailor would know it's time to reef!!!!! But try to convince yourself and others that you were right. You weren't, but if it makes you feel better and don't have the capacity to admit you were wrong, I feel sorry for anyone else who would ever crew with you. From the first picture I knew you were in deep shit. Why didn't you?
@alanthorne6363
@alanthorne6363 4 жыл бұрын
video footage doesn't all seem to be from 2016 RTIR
@tpdavis473
@tpdavis473 4 жыл бұрын
First of all, no one was on the windward hull, both sitting there in the cockpit. Then stupid skipper didn't dump the mainsheet. Then stupid crew didn't dump the spin sheet. Probably nub.
@AORD72
@AORD72 10 ай бұрын
They were racing and heading downwind. How do you know if the leeward sheet wasn't jammed? Calling people stupid doesn't make you an expert.
@ExploringCabinsandMines
@ExploringCabinsandMines 4 жыл бұрын
so he's using the water current to sail ?
@thePronto
@thePronto 5 жыл бұрын
Amazed that the mast didn't break. Even more amazed that they had the sheets cleated in that weather. Most amazed that the couldn't dump the sheets before they went swimming...
@AORD72
@AORD72 10 ай бұрын
Would be cleated because of the load. Big kite, hard to constantly hold. Easy to be caught out while racing. Good practice tipping over while racing and having support crews around.
@roma3171
@roma3171 5 жыл бұрын
stuppid skipper
@victorramsey5575
@victorramsey5575 6 жыл бұрын
But you notice the Dragonfly didnt sink. Thats one of the company's stated safety features. It will not sink. Period.
@Orcinus1967
@Orcinus1967 Жыл бұрын
Its actually good for the interior, electronics, and motor to be submerged.
@winstoncat6785
@winstoncat6785 11 ай бұрын
@@Orcinus1967 yep. They need a yearly rinse. Owners like this are great for these boats!
@de1t4
@de1t4 6 жыл бұрын
That zoom in effect is very annoying!
@ZoneTelevision
@ZoneTelevision 7 жыл бұрын
Nice thing about a Trimaran, if you turtle the boat you can still float.
@alanbingham5883
@alanbingham5883 2 жыл бұрын
Having been on a tri that turtled, and also on a lead mine that went straight down I can second the thought that an inverted tri floating is better than treading water.
@Daveinet
@Daveinet 8 жыл бұрын
These videos make me wonder about two things. First, why not have a quick release pull line for the top of the kite? Pull the line, and the top of the kite is free from the halyard. Of course the second is a design big design flaw. The trampolines should be made from open webbing, so they will spill water. Once the ama dug in, the trampoline plowed under the water. The windward trampoline was caught by the wind, which only made matters worse. The top of the ama is flat, which also causes it to be buried under the water. It needs to be rounded off so it doesn't dig in.
@adr3000
@adr3000 3 жыл бұрын
ffs, is this the Prout snowgoose of Tris? what's with the hard tramps O.o
@sebell69
@sebell69 2 жыл бұрын
your right about the trampolines, they do have holes but just not big enough to drain enough water and they do act as a sail on the other side, rope or bigger mesh type trampolines would have been a better for this weather and waves. The dragonfly are supposed to be unsinkable boats (they may flounder) but not sink all the way!
@1flash3571
@1flash3571 Жыл бұрын
@@sebell69 It looks like it didn't sink. Just flipped over. I am sure they flipped it back upright.
@klemenprezelj
@klemenprezelj 9 жыл бұрын
main sheet??? sorry, but they reacted like they didnt sail this boat. Shame for the boat. too slow...
@bparno
@bparno 10 жыл бұрын
Did they salvage the boat?
@mikeq8361
@mikeq8361 8 жыл бұрын
+bparno they float
@flightmarine
@flightmarine 10 жыл бұрын
mainsheet cleated all the the time, centerplate fully down and did not release the spinnaker sheet. No further comment!
@victorramsey5575
@victorramsey5575 6 жыл бұрын
No kidding... the crew mustve been inside hiding in the corners!
@user-mj6sl9qv8j
@user-mj6sl9qv8j 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed though I'll try & dig up what actually happened, (perhaps a report?) possible gear failure - sometimes one can get so fixated on solving problem A to move onto another in time. Difficult without realtime view. Possibly crew were not experienced tri-sailors and weren't aware it was already overpowered
@jonasfriis6088
@jonasfriis6088 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-mj6sl9qv8j My guess is that the main was cleated because you cant hold on to it for an entire race around an Island, and the trimmer fell or something from the impact of going probably around 20 knots boat speed to 0.
@winstoncat6785
@winstoncat6785 11 ай бұрын
@@user-mj6sl9qv8j you'd have to be pretty much in sensory deprivation to fail to notice with that amount of sail, on that sea, with those winds, that something wasn't right...
@AORD72
@AORD72 10 ай бұрын
Might have jammed.
@DaDude999
@DaDude999 10 жыл бұрын
Nice photos, but I can't think of a more disturbing transition effect.
@adr3000
@adr3000 3 жыл бұрын
@ 2x playback speed, it's not as abrasive.
@ExploringCabinsandMines
@ExploringCabinsandMines 10 жыл бұрын
Can you flood one pontoon put airbag on mast and refloat ?If this is possible I would not be leaving my boat .