I might be completely reading too much into things, but Sawyer also does seem to play into some unsavory stereotypes regarding transmasculine and AFAB nonbinary folks- ultimately being silly, childlike people who are incapable of functioning in the real world. Like, yes, physically and voice-wise we tend to get read as younger if we’re not on hormones but that doesn’t extend to *behavior* like they did with Sawyer. I’m certain it wasn’t intentional and the child-coding is ultimately a bigger issue, I think, but the Vibes were indeed Off as I played through the game. All in all thanks for this analysis and bringing up this one thing that made me deeply uncomfortable playing but I wasn’t able to put into words at the time! As others have mentioned the game does also have a tendency to abruptly go into weirdly dark or uncomfortable situations without warning which is unfortunate bc the premise is awesome :(
@Tuaron4 сағат бұрын
While I never did play this game (didn't interest me, not a fan of dating sims, though I do appreciate the interesting concept of this one and Hatoful Boyfriend), the talk about liking certain characters but not their mechanics (or vice-versa) is one thing that got to me in Marvel's Midnight Suns in particular, though also sometimes gets to me in other games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect. I was interested in several of the characters heading into Midnight Suns due to general knowledge or exposure over the decades, even if some didn't seem like a good fit for the story (Spidey, Captain Marvel, etc.), but the game did such a great job of characterization, including building relationships and highlighting similarities between various characters, so I just fell in love with some (Magik! Nico Minoru! That Ghost Rider! Morbius?) but I didn't like to bring certain ones along for missions because their mechanics just did not jive with my playstyle/the way I think. I was lucky that there weren't really any characters I disliked in the game (Deadpool can be grating at times, but seemed well balanced here). As mentioned, I sometimes have similar issues with DA/ME games, where you want to have a certain spread of classes/abilities in your party (a lockpicking rogue, a healing mage & a tank for DA, a biotic and a tech for ME) that I sometimes ended up with a party leaving out one or two faves because they doubled up a role and didn't cover another, etc. As for the main rant, I can understand the anger. Even if Sawyer is meant to be a university student (I still lived at home through my college years, so I don't find it that unusual), I also was pretty young, not even legal drinking age for a majority of that (I'm Canadian, so it's lower than 21), so that doesn't make the idea of romancing a uni student better. It would be nice if more games had more delineated "friendship" vs "romance" lines - where you could improve your platonic bond with characters without essentially romancing them - though I guess a romance sim isn't the best place to look for that.
@popstarprincess1236 сағат бұрын
I appreciate you and your take and the way you explained it I’m going to use that in the future
@popstarprincess1236 сағат бұрын
9:16 so you didn’t think he was just a guy in college that was my first thought
@user-gj9uq3kb7y10 сағат бұрын
i love this story
@dancingman198311 сағат бұрын
I was lucky enough to get the DVD of this signed by Elisabeth Sladen. It was nice to see K9 briefly appear after the failed TV Pilot for K9 and Company. It was a shame Tom Baker wouldn't come back, although it was an interesting use of un-used footage of The Doctor and Romana going punting in Cambridge and a waxwork model for press photos. Overall it's still a fun anniversary episode.
@dancingman198311 сағат бұрын
Richard Hurndall played The First Doctor
@armoghetto11 сағат бұрын
Loved this adventure! When I first watched it, I had only seen the 4th and fifth Doctors adventures. This adventure succeeded in making me hungry to learn more about the first three, especially the one that looked like Moe from the 3 Stooges whom I’d only seen in Omen. As for the first Doctor, I hate how people harp on and over analyze his “misogyny” I feel he is more arrogant and disdaining than anything else. The first Doctor had moments of talking down to everyone feeling they were not living up to their potential and involving themselves in childish endeavors leading to evil and being victims. He kidnapped two people in his first adventure and very reluctantly let them leave when they had a chance to go home. The companions changed and softened him up. By the time he meets the 12th Doctor, he is at the end of his first incarnation where he likelynreverted to his harder, original traits before accepting his end. This review is very good!
@KayleighBourquin13 сағат бұрын
This is the first Doctor Who story I ever saw, the next being the TV Movie. And I'm still a fan hehe.
@shaunhouse846913 сағат бұрын
Have you seen Peter Davidson in the BBC adaptation of "Campion"? I think the fifth Doctor would have been better had it been nearer to his Campion. Susan was passing for about 14 or 15 in her guise as a human schoolgirl, of course she could have been any age as a trainee timelord, Carole Ann Forde was in her mid 20s when she played the part in the sixties
@WhiteCresentKnight13 сағат бұрын
Sometimes some characters were made for different age groups or for people who specifically are into being stalked. Most dating sims have one character that just sucks specially because it’s not for you.
@XFLexiconMatt13 сағат бұрын
I am showing my age, but Tom Baker was my Doctor Who, as well as Jon Pertwee. Interesting choice!
@philpagett13 сағат бұрын
Five Doctors is one of those texts from my childhood that I love unconditionally. Its flaws and my own critical faculties cannot touch it. I hope we all have a few of these.
@CulturePhilter14 сағат бұрын
This was one of two Doctor Who VHS I owned as a kid (the other being Dalek:The Early years) I think I picked it off shelf for similar reasons to you… I thought I’d check out 5 doctors at once to save time.
@HotDogTimeMachine38515 сағат бұрын
Classic!
@gabriellegabbynoblecomics391316 сағат бұрын
There's a great Big Finish audio called The Five Companions.... Which takes place during The Five Doctors.... It's like a fantastic extended cut if The Five Doctors. Check it out.
@neilmcdonald916417 сағат бұрын
Sadly,Richard Hurndall died only a few months after this was originally transmitted in April 1984😢🎩
@michaellevenson220017 сағат бұрын
Not seen The Guardians Trilogy Vera?! Wow as Zaphod Beeblebrox said, Boy have you missed out! Turlough was introduced in a way no companion had ever been introduced and never will again I suspect. Totally explains the relationship between 5 and Turlough. Also, no spoiler, but a return of a former favorite is the highlight of the first story, Mawdryn Undead.
@stephjovis346921 сағат бұрын
I wish Sarah Jane had stayed as awesome as she was with the third Doctor. I don't like the fourth. Sarah Jane turned into a damsel he kept insulting Romans 1 bc he couldn't deal with a women who was his equal so he got Romana 2 a time lady damsel
@conscienceaginBlackadder5 сағат бұрын
Tom who in real life was a stuck-up prima donna who did not want to have the companion characters, let it affect his attitude to them both in actors' real life and in his Doctor's character. He is also the only Classic Doctor who has always been aloofly reluctant to appear with the others. He has been rude enough to disagree with the casting of his successor Peter Davison: which happens to be my favourite Doctor while Tom's too alien distant with a note of sternness. Overrated jerk.
@conscienceaginBlackadder5 сағат бұрын
Tom who in real life was the prima donna jerk who stands out so among the Classic Doctors. The only one who has aloofly never been keen to appear or work with the others. He even rudely has disagreed with his successor Davison's casting. During his tenure, he did not want to have companions, and was crappy to them both in actors' real life and in his Doctor's character. Overrated and serve him right typecasting for staying too long.
@stephjovis34695 сағат бұрын
@@conscienceaginBlackadder I kinda hate that his so beloved when it's so obvious that he couldn't stand strong women. I neve know how much is his fault and how much it is the BBC or the writers but good to know your info!
@chrispalmer78934 сағат бұрын
@@stephjovis3469 I don’t think Tom’s issue was with women; he didn’t want to share the limelight with anyone. He had a particular issue with Leela as a character, but the real issue was that he didn’t think he should have a companion at all. He has subsequently made amends with Louise Jameson, and ultimately if she’s prepared to forgive him then I’m not sure we get to hold it against him. He had a much better relationship with Mary Tamm (and briefly an even better one with Lalla Ward, at least for a while…). He also had a good relationship with Liz Sladen, but you could argue that was because it was early on and he wasn’t In full Primal Donna mode yet. Should also be noted that the stuff about him disagreeing with Davison’s casting came out long after the fact and long after Tom has accepted that his concerns were unfounded (Tom thought the audience would struggle to accept him as the Doctor when they saw him as Tristram from All Creatures Great and Small). Worth noting that although the language was less colourful, Tom has pretty much the same story about Pertwee’s attitude to him when they shot their regeneration as Davison has about Tom. I think we have to be a little bit understanding with Tom. As his run came to an end he was surrounded by younger people he didn’t know, he had a producer whose concept of the show (no humour and more hard science fiction) was about as far from Tom’s vision of Doctor Who as you can get, he was ill for most of that last season and his marriage was about to fall apart. It’s not surprising it took a few years for him to get some perspective on Doctor Who and regain his love for the show.
@johnmeyer478923 сағат бұрын
I have read that shortly after making this Hurndel died
@BreakRoomofGeeks22 сағат бұрын
A year after
@chrispalmer78935 сағат бұрын
@@BreakRoomofGeeks Before he got paid… (to be slightly fair to the BBC it was closer to 6 months than a year; this aired November 1983 and he died in April 84).
@Juliebel177Күн бұрын
This game made me write again. I felt so in love with my character I wanted to give her a story.
@Lexi_ZoneКүн бұрын
I like how if you search Google for "the deadliest killing machine ever devised," the first result is Raston Warrior.
@kittyprydekissmeКүн бұрын
Well, at least Borusa can still have a love-life.
@BreakRoomofGeeks22 сағат бұрын
I see what you did there. And I don’t like it.
@kittyprydekissme22 сағат бұрын
@@BreakRoomofGeeks I'm sorry
@richards2936Күн бұрын
I watched this on first broadcast at a friend's house back in '83. A bunch of us nine-year olds gathered to watch and I swear it was the most exciting television event of my childhood. We loved it and talked about little else for weeks afterwards. It holds up surprisingly well watching it now, but I will always love it for how much that first viewing captured my imagination and gave me so much joy and so much to talk about.
@jayanderson9375Күн бұрын
Nice review nice episode
@Jay32954Күн бұрын
I just realised, when you mentioned it, how subversive Shaun of the Dead's ending is.
@kevin10001Күн бұрын
For me with Susan they didn’t properly explain where she was when captured cause the doctor left her in the future so it would’ve been nice in her only return to the show tell us where she was pulled from or how she got back to present time I wouldn’t need a whole scene devoted to it but just a few lines of explanation when she meets the recasted first doctor like when and where she was taken from
@citrinedragonflyКүн бұрын
Okay, my PBS station got this one in the 90s, and I HAD to have it on VHS. And then DVD. And then the updated, special edition DVD. And the next one. And had to see Riff Trax do it in the movie theaters (honestly, they were a let down for me, though). I LOVE this story to bits. I've lost count of how many times I've seen it. I can quote large parts of it from memory, and was doing so when you made references to story beats. For the constraints on its production, it turned out well. There's a SAGA about Tom Baker and why he isn't there (and the hijinks the cast got up to with the waxwork borrowed from Madame Tussaud's for the promotional photos). This was THE story I used to show my friends in high school, on that original VHS, when I would introduce them to the series. And it hooked them each time (I would also show them Tomb of the Cybermen just after, so that might have helped, I will admit). We had so many in-jokes based on this one episode. Is it the best Doctor Who ever? No. Is it the most fun? For me, yes. It's Doctor Who distilled down, as only Terrance Dicks could do. And yes, poor Sarah Jane. They tried so hard to make it look like a steep hill, and she acted her socks off to try and sell it. I can suspend my disbelief for Elisabeth Sladen. Everyone is on form here, and pairing Tegan with Hurndall's Doctor was a brilliant move. Turlough and Susan stuck in the TARDIS? Not as much, but that did give rise to one of my friend group's long-running in-jokes. I think, in terms of watching it cold, it depends on when within fandom you saw it. I don't think it would work as a gateway episode now the way it did in the 90s for me with my friends. Doctor Who was largely off-air - just a handful of PBS stations had it. So what we did get was random VHS tapes, PBS, if we were lucky to have a station that carried it, and the '96 TVM with McGann, if you happened to catch it on Fox the night it aired (and record it onto a VHS tape to show people later). So any episode could be someone's gateway into the fandom/watching the series. When I saw it, it was between two other Saturdays with episodes from completely different Doctors on either side (I *think* there was a McCoy on one side of it, but it was 1994, so my memory isn't exact). Armageddon Factor was my first Key to Time story. We just all kind of accepted that we might not understand everything going on, and that was half the fun of it.
@paulgifford4688Күн бұрын
I saw it on the telly when I was 10 (the original broadcast, because I’m old). I loved it so much. Still do. And Tegan was the best companion, and not just because she was Australian.
@lexbrimson9648Күн бұрын
I don't usually comment much, but I just wanted to say your hair looked really good and on point in this video.
@OldManFerdiadКүн бұрын
If you were, for example, ten years old in 1983 I can confirm that The Five Doctors was the most ridiculously exciting piece of television imaginable. There was a special edition of The Radio Times (the BBC listings magazine) and a reasonable amount of publicity. It even boldly proclaimed to be the *first time* you got to see what is inside a dalek (conveniently forgetting various glimpses in 60s stories and the mutant embryos in Genesis). JNT was milking the nostalgia all season 20 with every story more-or-less having a recurring monster or element of the past. This was definitely the cherry on the trifle.
@chrispalmer7893Күн бұрын
Ah, bless JNT. What he lacked as a producer in terms of creative judgment he certainly possessed when it came to marketing and publicity.
@OldManFerdiad15 сағат бұрын
@@chrispalmer7893 it's clear he loved the show and wanted it to succeed - he did love a good guest star too, something which has kept going into NuWho
@chrispalmer78935 сағат бұрын
@@OldManFerdiad I have a lot of time for JNT; he could have walked away and let the show die. That said, some of his behaviour was poor - Nicola Bryant has a few stories to tell on that score.
@detectivesquirrel2621Күн бұрын
Another odd thing caused because of Tom Baker's absence is for a photoshoot to advertise the special they have Tom Baker's wax work from Madam Tussauds.
@chrispalmer7893Күн бұрын
Ah, the Five Doctors. Shown as a feature length episode as part of Children in Need. Can't tell you how excited 8 year-old me was for this one. To complete the process of demonstrating how ancient I am, at the time this was shown we had two televisions in the house, but only one of them was colour. The other was a tiny little black and white Ferguson portable. An hour after the Five Doctors started, the A Team was starting on ITV (3rd of 4 - count them, 4(!) channels available to us back then). I was desperate to watch the Five Doctors in colour, my brother was a big A Team fan. My mother chose to compromise - we'd start watching the Five Doctors and when the A Team started I'd go and finish the Five Doctors on the portable TV. I argued (I still think rightly) that as this was a one-off and the A Team was on every week I should get the colour TV for the whole thing, but to no avail. And then the Five Doctors started and we all - including my brother - got so engrossed in it we all forgot about the A Team, so I saw the whole thing in colour. Once - we didn't have a VCR at that point - and I didn't get to watch it again until it was re-released on VHS seven years later. It didn't disappoint me in 1990, and it never has since... On the wider points, the Fifth Doctor gets to shine in this story and wouldn't have done so if Tom Baker had agreed to appear. The original version of the story had the Fourth Doctor doing most of what Davison gets to do in the final show (there were rumours of the Fourth Doctor turning evil, but I think that's an exaggerated version of the brief mind control Borusa has over the Fifth in the finished product). Use of the Shada footage seemed inspired at the time. And beyond exciting - Shada at this point had almost legendary status. The quasi-mythical missing story that, had it been completed, would have been the greatest Doctor Who story ever. Easy to forget this now, because now that we've seen finished versions of Shada it looks more like what most final stories of Doctor Who seasons back then tended to be - a little bit tired, a little bit rushed and heavily padded to reach it's run time. On Hurndall, to be fair to him he wouldn't have been given the access to footage of Hartnell or the preparation time that Bradley got thirty years later, so I think he does pretty well. If memory serves he'd appeared in an episode of Blake's Seven and his performance was sufficiently reminiscent of the First Doctor for him to be offered the role for this. Legend has it that he died before he got paid, too - quite the indictment of the BBC at the time given that he died a full six months after the Five Doctors aired. I agree that the sexism is definitely evident in this story, and would argue that it's worse here than Twice Upon a Time because at least in that one it's done deliberately and played for laughs. Then again, Who is always a product of its time and whilst we should have known better in 1983 I think it's fair to say we mostly didn't. Doesn't make it OK, but we can understand it. That said, shout out to Terrence Dicks. As was usually the case with Who he had very little time to write this, he had a huge number of moving parts to bring together and that was before the relatively late re-write to accommodate Tom Baker's absence. Dimensions in Time apart, we are blessed with a pretty good crop of anniversary shows; the pressure to produce something worthy of the occasion must be immense and Dicks (and possibly Hulke, but I think it was Dicks who wrote both The Three and the Five Doctors), Moffatt and Davies all largely pulled it off. Odd coincidence, but certainly for the Three Doctors, Five Doctors and Day of the Doctor a recurrent theme is the writer not being entirely certain when writing which Doctors would be in play, or of having to work around changes late on; Hartnell's illness caused his role in TTD to be dramatically cut short; Baker's absence from TFD has already been mentioned, and at one point when he was wriitng the Day of the Doctor Moffatt only had Jenna Coleman contracted to appear (although I'm not convinced, whatever he says, that he genuinely thought Smith wouldn't do it) - not to mention his attempts to woo Christopher Eccleston into an appearance. Worth also noting that Baker now says he regrets not coming back; he had a fairly tough time post-Who getting away from the character and that, combined with the quick and unpleasant end to his marriage to Lalla Ward, made him quite resentful towards the show. It came just that bit too soon for him. Going on far too long now... Will end by saying that there is a fairly commonly held opinion that multi-Doctor stories aren't especially good, but I think that's entirely unfair. Again, let's set aside Dimensions in Time. Other than that, it's really only the Two Doctors (which came about because Patrick Troughton had so much fun making the Five Doctors, which is lovely, but perhaps not the best reason to write a story) that lets the side down. And yes, I'm including the joyously hot mess that is the Power of the Doctor in that. I can happily sit down and watch any of them at any time (to be honest, as I was still only little when it first aired I have far more affection for the Two Doctors than I know it deserves so it's really only Dimensions in Time that I will never watch again.) OK, judged purely as pieces of drama they are somewhat lacking, but they're not really trying to be that. They are fan service in the best possible sense of the word and I will always love them.
@kittyprydekissmeКүн бұрын
We only had a black and white TV, so that's all I got to see.
@chrispalmer789317 сағат бұрын
@@kittyprydekissme Although I didn't get this as an eight year-old, I think black and white is a good way to watch all Classic Who. It's a little more forgiving of the low production values (it even tones down Colin's coat to merely tasteless...)
@JustB3NJIКүн бұрын
100% my thoughts exactly. I also cost to watch this ad my first classic who...i have also been waiting since 2008 for the raston warrior robot to return
@chrispalmer7893Күн бұрын
Love the raston warrior robot, it made for an amazing scene, but I suspect the reason we've never seen it since is that there isn't much of a story to be told with it.
@Donnagata1409Күн бұрын
06:51 But the First Doctor was often condescending and paternalist to Susan (ok, that's his granddaughter), and to Barbara, especially at the beginning, before he starts to respect her. OK, we're talking 60 years ago, but it is there. I made a point of watching all of classic Who after I discovered the series. Yes, even black and white, except some episodes that simply cannot be found, or are reconstructed so poorly as to be unwatchable. It's worth it, even if some of them are better than others. Of course, it takes a while, and I didn't even go to the novels or audiobooks... Don't miss The Aztecs, The Myth Makers, and The Gunfighters. Those are the ones that first come to my mind among the oldest ones, and as such those that probably many people has not seen. but not the only ones that are good.
@chrispalmer7893Күн бұрын
It would, frankly, be genuinely weird if there was no paternalism and condescension with the First Doctor. It was just so ingrained into society when it was made it would take some truly remarkable writers to have risen above it. We certainly shouldn't expect it from The Tribe of Gum if the writer of that was anything like his son (or like his son claims him to be; seem to recall him tweeting that his father would be turning in his grave at the casting of Ncuti Gatwa...)
@olivergiggins7931Күн бұрын
Baker even refused to do the promo photoshoot. Thankfully for the BBC, his waxwork from Madam Tussauds was more cooperative.
@citrinedragonflyКүн бұрын
They had so much fun with that waxwork....
@Joeuphonium_mk._2Күн бұрын
@@citrinedragonflyI believe Moffat even brought the waxwork back for the final shot of all the Doctors in The Day Of The Doctor
@voltijuice8576Күн бұрын
That so weirded me out when I first saw those photos!
@citrinedragonfly6 сағат бұрын
@@Joeuphonium_mk._2 I think he did, too! It's the uncanny wax-skin.
@emilymoran9152Күн бұрын
Yeah...I feel like it's really the script for Sawyer that gives that "Wait, why are YOU here? Where are your parents?" vibe. Because they could be a young-looking college or grad-school age character; that's fine, people like that exist. But the word choice is what's really suggesting "17 at most". And maybe that's because they wanted a character younger players would want to interact with, as some people are saying, but...IDK, if you're going to have a dating sim with a wide range of target player ages, maybe at least let people select their age at the start and be given different options based on that? It could even be kind of neat to have the same characters at, like, 18-20 vs. 26-28.
@geekdetritus5503Күн бұрын
The first time I got to see this was when Rifftrax Live did it a few years back. Got to enjoy classic Who, AND hear the MST3K alums riff it! Two of my favorite shows in one! My wife and I were the youngest people in the audience by at least a decade, and from most of the other audience ractions, I don't think they knew what Rifftrax was, and were not impressed by it.
@citrinedragonflyКүн бұрын
I loved MST3K when it was on. I grew up on that. I think, for older fans, it might be that we'd seen the story before, and already had our own ideas of ways to send it up. I saw the RiffTrax Live in the movies, and I was surprised at the jokes they didn't make, more than amused at the jokes they did. I'm glad you got to enjoy it that way, though! That was me with watching people riff on Creature from the Pit at a convention.
@kurathchibicrystalkitty5146Күн бұрын
Otherwise known as The Four Doctors and The Fourth Doctor Stock Footage. 🤣
@OldManFerdiadКүн бұрын
"The Somewhere Between Three and Five Doctors Depending How You Count It"
@jonathonriddle9922Күн бұрын
Jon Pertwee is my favorite of the classic doctors, and the reason why is his instant chemistry with both his companions and his arch nemesis.
@R.senals_ArsenalКүн бұрын
I liked Turlough, but in the 90s when the internet was new I met some guys who really shipped Doctor/Turlough. Like Doc-lough? Never occurred to me, but it was an interesting ship. Has only slightly less on-screen promotion than Thasmin. I've seen the 5 Doctors multiple times, and the worst part is Sarah Jane's fall. Outside of that it's fun. WAY better than Power of the Doctor, which I just think is way to over the top into just becoming stupid. IMO.
@chrispalmer7893Күн бұрын
The Sarah-Jane fall bit is clearly a case of what was on the page not quite making it to the screen. They either ran out of time or needed to fire their Location Scout...
@OldManFerdiadКүн бұрын
@@chrispalmer7893 yup, on the page it's definitely supposed to be Sarah falling down a perilous slope, but instead they go with a gentle incline and a bit of fog, they even try tilting the camera to make it look steeper which just somehow makes it worse. A lot of the direction of this is rather pedestrian (how on earth did the First Doctor and Tegan not get spotted by the Cybermen). Funnily enough one of the most exciting bits is when JNT takes the second unit and shoots the Raston vs Cybermen massacre.
@mirandaraventouchstone5039Күн бұрын
If this was your first classic story, what was the second? Any of these performances convince you to start with their era?
@stevetayler9518Күн бұрын
When I was 10 years old Doctor Who broke my heart. I learned that Tom Baker, the Fourth Doctor, my Doctor, wouldn’t be appearing in the Five Doctors. But I was told that it was because he didn’t want to. That upset me so much, whatever the truth of it was. It was like being disappointed by a parent. I never thought that I’d feel that way again. Until now. Because RTD has broken my heart. For 45 years Doctor Who has been my favourite programme. My room is full of books and toys. It's made core memories and defined my life more than I realised. Fourth wall breaks so the characters know they are fictional and there are zero stakes (don’t even come at me with Deadpool, Doctor Who is not f**king Deadpool!) Introducing the supernatural? “If anything is possible, then nothing is interesting” - H G Wells That last season, that finale, he DELIBERATELY laughed in our faces. "ha ha, nothing makes sense or means anything, isn't that funny" No. It's hateful, and cruel, and he BETRAYED OUR TRUST. I'm so angry and sad and broken I can't even convey it.
@chrispalmer7893Күн бұрын
Genuinely sorry you feel that way - but kudos for not going on to claim that everyone else feels the same. Can't tell you how many comments I've read that are like yours but end with a tirade against those of us who "pretend" to feel differently...
@stevetayler9518Күн бұрын
@@chrispalmer7893 ☺️ I don’t know what’s happened tbh. I was enjoying it right up until the finale. I went to the cinema to see it! But something just died inside, it was like a light turned off. I’m more upset at the loss of my love for the show than for any quantifiable reasons I have for disliking the plot/script etc though.
@chrispalmer7893Күн бұрын
@@stevetayler9518 So are you done, or can the show win you back? Or are you going to Eccleston it (come back when RTD moves on?) Here's hoping you can find the love again...
@stevetayler9518Күн бұрын
@@chrispalmer7893 I don’t know. Writing this comment has really brought it home how genuinely hurt I am. I’d emotionally invested so much into RTD coming back. It would be nice if I could just shake myself and say “you’re overreacting” but something fundamental has changed. This isn’t a reaction to a bad episode or a dislike of a specific aspect. I can’t watch again, knowing that RTD thinks it’s in some way acceptable to use my faith in the show against me. I can’t explain it better than that.
@chrispalmer789317 сағат бұрын
@@stevetayler9518 Sounds like the Eccleston route is right for you, then. RTD won't be there forever and the show reinvents itself with every change of showrunner and / or Doctor.
@andrewbowman4611Күн бұрын
Oddly, there was an actor called William Hurndall, who actually appears in the First Doctor story The Gunfighters opposite William Hartnell. I don't think the former is a direct relative of Richard Hurndall though.
@natbarmoreКүн бұрын
For American viewers, there’s a third weirdness to the context of this special. In addition to Baker being absent and Hartnell being replaced, most people in the US were watching Doctor Who on PBS at the time, and PBS had not yet gotten the license for Davison’s stories. I watched this when it aired in ‘83, but at that point I’d only seen the Fourth Doctor and some of the Third Doctor, because those were the only ones PBS had license to. So not only did I have no idea that Hurndall wasn’t Hartnell, I’d either never seen One or Two before or only seen them in The Three Doctors, I’d never seen Davison before [or does he appear at the very end of Logopolis? I’ll hand in my Whovian card now 😉] and *_the_* Doctor, as far as I was concerned, is written out in the first 10 minutes. It was _wonderful_ and amazing and great fun and full of lore, but also very confusing. 😁 [My local PBS aired complete stories on Sundays, so the entire run of Four takes less than a year, and Three + Four is only 65 weeks, so I think I’d seen the entirety of Four, in order, then they looped back around to the oldest stuff they had license to and I was a couple seasons into Three when The Five Doctors aired. I don’t think I’d seen the Three Doctors yet, frex. IIRC, they then resumed airing Pertwee the week after this special, then Baker, and then when they finished Baker the second time (from my perspective) started airing Davison. So it was a year or two after the Five Doctors when I finally saw a Fifth Doctor episode. It’s also possible that my local station hadn’t looped back to Three yet since I’d started watching, and I’d only seen him when visiting my grandparents (their local PBS aired single episodes 2+ nights/week-I don’t remember the schedule now, just that even with long visits I almost never got to see a complete story, but some of that might’ve been that I think it was on at dinnertime so I wasn’t always allowed to watch). In any case, I’m certain that I saw a full run of Four followed by a full run of Three followed by a full run of Four before seeing Five-Six-Seven, and that I hadn’t seen any regular eps of Five at the time The Five Doctors aired.]
@voltijuice8576Күн бұрын
Lionheart Television FTW!
@kittyprydekissmeКүн бұрын
I assume it was just your local PBS station that hadn't shown Davison yet. In Oklahoma, they'd already shown Davison's first season, but not the second. So I had no idea who Turlough was. Pertwee wasn't shown here until a year later, so I'd never seen the first three (but I knew they existed). K-9 and company was never shown here, so I was really confused why he was with Sarah. I was also confused by the first Doctor appearing since I'd read that he was dead. Didn't realise he was a different person since I'd only seen one still photo in a magazine and the brief clip in Attack Of The Cybermen.
@meander112Күн бұрын
Engagement for the engagement god!
@davehall7041Күн бұрын
Thank you for another great video I really liked this story
@spike7101Күн бұрын
Hey Vera, The Five Doctors is one of those stories that (mostly) all Who fans love, but would never rank it up there amongst the best. Its a fun romp and endlessly rewatchable, let's just not mention Sarah and the slight incline of doom! 😊
@kemmdog4444Күн бұрын
We need more of the Raston Warrior Robot . Their battle with the Cybermen.
@YickerdКүн бұрын
I had the exact same thinking as you, with it being my first classic Doctor who story. It was because I didn’t have access to anything else and I came across a DVD of it at newbury comics and just thought it was awesome. I should go back and rewatch it now that I’ve jumped around classic Who, I don’t think I’ve seen it since that initial watch.