Worst Marathon Pacing Mistakes
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@someguyusa
@someguyusa 14 сағат бұрын
I'm about 30lbs overweight, but still very muscular. Broke my ribs last year followed by covid which led to fat gain, and haven't been focused on losing it until recently. I have to use a treadmill and adjust the incline while briskly walking in order maintain my zone 2. Probably going to be like that for a while until I recondition my cardio fitness or until I lose the extra bodyfat lol.
@JacobiIrvin-cl1ie
@JacobiIrvin-cl1ie 16 сағат бұрын
I was wondering what sort of speed efforts you did prior to your 2017 race? Like what did a training week look like?
@osasumweneweka2183
@osasumweneweka2183 Күн бұрын
Jane terrific, magnificent wrkt ty hi fives Sasu
@amblincork
@amblincork 2 күн бұрын
I a 67 and dont know any runner who actually though they had to run hard in every run - it has been known for decades that weekly runs should be a mix of fast hard runs and slower easier runs.And amateur runners absolutely do not need to measure their heart rate and most runners who do dont even know hot to accurately measure their heart rate and that measiring would need to be done periodically.
@wizardofoz5727
@wizardofoz5727 4 күн бұрын
This is an awesome video - my only question is: should i do a recovery run after a hard/long run IF my knees are inflamed and hurting? Or does that start to run the risk of injury? My common sense tells me not to run, but that could be just a complete lack of knowledge on my behalf and if i could improve i want to. Thanks!
@ukaszboniarczyk302
@ukaszboniarczyk302 8 күн бұрын
Hi, can a recovery day include cycling if I had a heavy day of running or even swimming? Cycling is a good choice for me because it takes the pressure off my knees
@ym6722
@ym6722 8 күн бұрын
I will start training for my first full marathon this September. I have been injured the last 2 times I have tried and I am getting over some foot issues currently. I cannot wait to train with caution and gratitude because just getting to the start will be my ultimate goal!! I am the queen of enthusiasm for training and overtraining is the result!! So no time goal. Just finish. Keep myself injury free until the start line February 23rd.
@carina9629
@carina9629 8 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for putting captions on screen. I HIGHLY appreciate that :)
@bpotato3310
@bpotato3310 8 күн бұрын
zone 2 is really hard, even when i jog, my hr spike like a tempo run. I ran for 1 year already. Can i target zone 2 but with walking fast, Only that way, my heart rate stay at zone 2
@rtimbr64
@rtimbr64 9 күн бұрын
All excellent tips. Thanks!
@michelewheldon6105
@michelewheldon6105 10 күн бұрын
I'd rather do the back lunge since it's nice for the knees. Just quit RAGNAR after 4 years.
@BIBLE-a-s-m-r
@BIBLE-a-s-m-r 10 күн бұрын
What about hot weather recovery tips?
@bramilan
@bramilan 11 күн бұрын
When I saw the "you've been warned", I thought you were going to talk about the bad The Warning (this is their slogan!), but of course, I stayed for the running stuff which is why I'm here. Still really fun to see this phrase! 😃
@futtocksend8832
@futtocksend8832 12 күн бұрын
The 2.5 hour max long run is all about being able to recover and run the next day. Also mitochondrial gains max out at 2.5 hours, so you are not gaining any training effect beyond this. I try and do 2 x 2.5 hours per week (zone 2 HR) rather than one big long run. Works for me at age 64 but each to their own.
@NomadicNine
@NomadicNine 12 күн бұрын
"It all comes back to No.1" "Volume" ................100% agree! Everything that needs doing can be prioritised by how much it contributes to building or maintaining volume. Great Video!
@mariomarques9951
@mariomarques9951 12 күн бұрын
Thank you for such a spot-on video & important advice. At 40 yrs I was a sub 2:50 marathoner who did 22 mile long runs at a comfortable 7:45 pace. Now over 70 my long runs are at 9:30 + pace and I need to go over 3 1/2 to properly prepare and do my best on race day. I run pretty injury free. The considerations you listed of "go slow" and "proper recovery" are key.
@DeepakRamachandran1
@DeepakRamachandran1 13 күн бұрын
Love your energy and enthusiasm! Thanks for all your content.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 13 күн бұрын
You're so welcome - appreciate you being here!
@ryan8488
@ryan8488 14 күн бұрын
Thanks for these tips. Bed is very comfortable at 5:00 in winter
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 13 күн бұрын
Gosh it sure is...definitely gotta be holding tight to that "why" on those days!!
@muggetsuwow3758
@muggetsuwow3758 14 күн бұрын
heart rate zones are calculated by heart rate reserve,no % from max heart rate.Also you can use a calculator online
@kristybearden1058
@kristybearden1058 15 күн бұрын
Is there a percentage you should cut back on your mileage during the “cut back” week?
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 13 күн бұрын
I typically do around 20-25% for my athletes, but sometimes more is necessary. Especially if they are touching higher volumes for the first time.
@mayadethabrew-hutton4342
@mayadethabrew-hutton4342 15 күн бұрын
Thanks for the great advice 👍🏽 The mental component is so important, especially on long runs. 'Run the mile you're in' is one I find really helpful (from one of your other videos), and just having an encouraging, positive inner voice rather than a critical one.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 13 күн бұрын
Definitely agree! We put so much pressure on ourselves sometimes and it's really not helpful. Being realistic and managing expectations is often important, but I also don't think we give ourselves enough credit!
@susaville
@susaville 15 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. It's exactly what I needed to hear. ❤ I'm not training for a marathon, just trying to get back in shape and run again because it's something I love. I really struggle with the being positive part.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 13 күн бұрын
I'm so glad you found it helpful for where you're at in your journey!! Don't be hard on yourself and be proud of what you're accomplishing!
@WorldT
@WorldT 15 күн бұрын
good advice and yes it all comes back at you when the formula changes or don't do things as planned, thanks on this amazing information on marathons,
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 13 күн бұрын
You're so welcome!
@landaring
@landaring 15 күн бұрын
great timing, just coming off an unstructured summer with short races and getting ready for a marathon block, back to basics!
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 13 күн бұрын
Awesome!! Summer is a perfect time for working on shorter distance speed. Yay for getting ready for your next marathon! Which one are you running?
@landaring
@landaring 13 күн бұрын
@@runningwithjane just a small local one, 10 flat loops in November 😵‍💫
@merlabel1253
@merlabel1253 15 күн бұрын
After a hard run, I take off my ball cap and wave it to an imaginary stadium full of people cheering my effort. It sounds weird but its really satisfying since I run solo 95% of the time.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 15 күн бұрын
That's amazing! So much to be proud of.
@macapinvest4089
@macapinvest4089 15 күн бұрын
Legend!
@sarahkirkpatrick1485
@sarahkirkpatrick1485 15 күн бұрын
I love that!
@gudboyngdisyerto
@gudboyngdisyerto 15 күн бұрын
before the end of speedwork or long run, i imagine passing kipchoge and announcers getting so hyped. in reality though in the marathon he covers a mile the same time i cover a km 😂
@Griffeyspeaks5938
@Griffeyspeaks5938 15 күн бұрын
As always, great advice at just the right time. I was not looking forward to my long run today, but now I’m ready to get out there. Comparing my running schedule to my work meeting schedule really helped. Thank you!
@ArcaneSpells
@ArcaneSpells 15 күн бұрын
Ditto!
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 15 күн бұрын
I'm glad to hear that resonated with you and great job getting out there. You'll feel so good when it's checked off. Hope it went well!
@Nguyenhd97
@Nguyenhd97 17 күн бұрын
I’ve seen the value in these more and more. Especially most recently. Kept my recovery runs on treadmill . Plus in Zone 1 the past couple of weeks. Feel a lot better on my long runs and in speed work
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 15 күн бұрын
Love doing recovery runs on the treadmill!! And that's awesome you are noticing the difference on the days where you need that extra strength!
@SKYROKKET1
@SKYROKKET1 17 күн бұрын
126 bpm is me walking......
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 15 күн бұрын
The more you run, the lower your HR will get at any speed. If you can't run in zone 2 yet, that's OK, better to focus on just getting in time on feet and extending that amount of time you can run. You can run until you really feel your HR spiking, take a walk break, and then go again.
@rheno03
@rheno03 19 күн бұрын
Huge thanks for this video❤, I'm 40 now and decided to go for a marathon. I have done trail half marathon, but was kind of slow pace, Sub 3 with 550 meter elevation. Back to back running on slow pace before and after long run it's a great advice! ❤
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 15 күн бұрын
You've come to the right channel then! Wishing you all the best in your marathon training journey.
@barryward6632
@barryward6632 22 күн бұрын
Jeff Galloway promotes a run/walk strategy for beginners to tackle a Marathon. His plans have longruns going out to 24 Miles ( approx 6 hours for these runners.) I was one of these people when I completed the Gold Coast Marathon inside the official cutuff time of 6 hours 30 minutes at the age of 72. I was determined to finish this event and I followed his plan to the letter - and did 2x6 hour longruns before the event. At age 78 now, I wouldn't mind doing another - but this time I might only do up to 3 hour longrun as I am not willing to put as much time and effort into the training this time. If it proves to be insufficient, then I would be happy if I found that I had to pull out
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 15 күн бұрын
Good for you, Barry!! Absolutely, many people follow Galloway's plan with success. Just goes to show, there is not just one way to achieve a goal.
@user-nx9ru6sr4p
@user-nx9ru6sr4p 23 күн бұрын
This is a great video Jane I wish I’d found it sooner - got a horrible injury and not run for 16 weeks 😢. These are the exercises my physio has me doing now to help strengthen my legs, core - whole body in general! Thank you xx
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 15 күн бұрын
I'm so sorry to hear, but you'll be stronger for it. And I think most endurance runners go through a wake-up call injury at some point, unfortunately. Hindsight is always 20-20... Wishing you a full recovery very soon so you can get back out running soon.
@user-nx9ru6sr4p
@user-nx9ru6sr4p 15 күн бұрын
@@runningwithjane thank you Jane and keep these videos coming I love them 👍x
@rscott6512
@rscott6512 23 күн бұрын
There isn't enough conclusive data to determine what is optimal. It could be that going over 2, 2.5 hours has little benefit. Or perhaps there are significant gains to run for 3-4 hours. At one stage, research will get there to provide better insights. Probably best for each runner to decide for themselves what works best for their body and mind.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 15 күн бұрын
Yes, we're all unique!
@wmcintyre1166
@wmcintyre1166 23 күн бұрын
Hi Jane, how much do you charge to coach? I am in Spencer NC so it would have to be online or by phone. I have ran 7 marathons, the first was when I was 29 and most recent when I was 50 that was 11 years ago. I want to get back into running one marathon per year.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 21 күн бұрын
Hi there! Thanks for asking about coaching - here is the link to our current coaching options/pricing. readysetmarathon.com/run-coaching-services/ Everything we do is virtual - training plans/communication online in the Final Surge app and a once/month zoom call. I don't currently have any openings myself but have other amazing coaches who do. Please fill out the interest form on that page if you'd like to connect with one of our coaches or get on my waiting list.
@wmcintyre1166
@wmcintyre1166 20 күн бұрын
Thanks. Your waiting list is the direction I'll go
@Stettafire
@Stettafire 24 күн бұрын
1) Changing your stride length or strike. Doing so eill just cause injury. Everyone has slightly different biomechanics
@noli-timere-crede-tantum
@noli-timere-crede-tantum 26 күн бұрын
9:16 rule #6: only increase the weight on your medal shelf by 10% at a time 😂
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 21 күн бұрын
LOL pretty much.
@chelsalkerton
@chelsalkerton 26 күн бұрын
Hi Jane Love your videos! I am wondering if you’re still using the same watches you posted about in your review videos of if you’ve updated since Thanks
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 21 күн бұрын
Hi Chelsea! I am currently still using the Garmin Forerunner 55, but looking into upgrading soon.
@chelsalkerton
@chelsalkerton 20 күн бұрын
@@runningwithjane great. I’ve decided to try the Coros pace 3 will be my first running specific watch Thanks for your other review videos I found them helpful
@AnimusPrime87
@AnimusPrime87 26 күн бұрын
I can’t get behind that definition of zone two. 70% of your max heart rate, my max heart rate at 37 years old is 183 bpm. 70% of that is less than 130 bpm. It is not possible for me to even walk fast and keep my heart rate under 130 bpm. I’m in reasonably decent shape
@daveabson8052
@daveabson8052 28 күн бұрын
I don't understand why you would use a formular to calculate max heart rate. The formulars are all based on population averages and can be wildly inaccurate for individuals (for me the suggested formula is 10% off). If you want to know your max HR why not just do a running test?
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 21 күн бұрын
Hi there - I shared how to do a running test in this video.
@Eatsleeprun_rescuecats
@Eatsleeprun_rescuecats Ай бұрын
Did London marathon in April 24, I just can’t get BACK out running. Have done a few runs but every time I think about running it stresses me out… it’s like it’s caused a trauma 🤔
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 28 күн бұрын
I'm sorry to hear that! Was it a tough race for you then? One thing to consider is why do you run in the first place? Why did you train for London? Perhaps there are some answers there that can get you back out there hopefully!
@Eatsleeprun_rescuecats
@Eatsleeprun_rescuecats 28 күн бұрын
@@runningwithjane I got a ballot spot first time of entering, started running in the October, got a coach, followed the plan, did all the right tapering, meal prep, ran the whole way in a good time with my OH, felt really good. After I suffered for a couple of weeks, got marathon flu, really ached, have so far lost 6 toenails.. the race was amazing, looking back the 6 months of training was the real marathon & I feel like I should just be better as I’ve run a marathon… I’ve got a new coach & will see where I go..
@JasonLawsan
@JasonLawsan Ай бұрын
One thing i liked that you talked about is when it comes to hill, which was related to RPE "Rate of Perceived Exertion", Which I added this part to my training to under my RPE, during running or cycling it helped because we can rely on Heart rate monitor always to gage effort. I can wait to the day I run my first Marathon or a Half Ironman. Thank you for your knowledge.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 28 күн бұрын
Yes, RPE is so important! To train and race smart, you have to have an understanding of how you feel at certain paces, etc. You're welcome and appreciate you watching!
@ratilalmakanji2372
@ratilalmakanji2372 Ай бұрын
Agreed 💯
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 28 күн бұрын
🙌
@jordanschneider1077
@jordanschneider1077 Ай бұрын
My view is that in any sport, if you can improve your technique, you will improve your performance. Running is no different. Nobody tells a swimmer, "just go swim whatever way is natural for you" or a golfer, "however you swing your club if fine". There are always positive changes you can make by becoming aware of your form. A quicker cadence or a balanced, whole foot landing with your foot closer to vertical will improve your speed with less effort. Over striding and heel striking is inefficient and slowing. I wouldn't dismiss running form out of hand.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 28 күн бұрын
Hi Jordan - appreciate the dialogue. I understand your POV, but running is different. We start running in toddlerhood and no one teaches us how. It's innate...and children run freely all the time without worry of pace, form, etc. We were literally born to run. My main point of this whole video really is there is just way too much emphasis on it. When what I see from my vantage point is that most people just aren't doing enough to be even thinking about their form. Cart before the horse, if you will. And ultimately, further down the road if some fine tuning is needed on form especially via strides and drills, that's great. But I think a lot of people say someone's running form is bad when it's not, just because it doesn't look like the norm.
@user-nx9ru6sr4p
@user-nx9ru6sr4p Ай бұрын
Hi Jane love your videos 👍. I’m on the tail end of a horrible injury - torn abductor muscle - I havnt been able to run for 16 weeks and now realise the most important thing is to stay injury free. I was so obsessed with my mileage and my times. Now strength work and just enjoying running will be my priority once I’m back at it xx
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 28 күн бұрын
I'm so sorry to hear that - the worst. Have you been working with a PT? Strength training and slowing down most of the miles is so important...you'll be back stronger than ever!
@user-nx9ru6sr4p
@user-nx9ru6sr4p 27 күн бұрын
I hope so 🤞. Iv been working really hard on my strength work that the physios have given me. Worst injury iv had and Iv had my fair share over the years 😢xx
@manchurian53
@manchurian53 Ай бұрын
I’ve been running for 15 years now. I’m 71. I’ve run 7 marathons. In each training cycle I do a 20-22 mile run 2-4 times. I’ve never injured myself or gotten sick from these runs. Tired, yes, but never injured or sick. My long run, whatever the distance, is never longer than 100% of my weekly mileage. If it were capped at 25%, I would need to run 80 miles a week. Never gonna happen. I’m not fast. My current marathon time is about 4:30, but I’m also not a beginner. Thanks for these videos, Jane. I don’t understand why you don’t have at least 50,000 subscribers.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 28 күн бұрын
Appreciate your viewership!! My channel has always just been slow and steady growth finding the right people and that's OK! Thank you for proving the point that if the long run is done correctly, at a truly easy pace, you can run a lot longer than you realize. We don't all need to be put in a box of what we are and are not capable of.
@harrycolon3294
@harrycolon3294 Ай бұрын
Ok, I was an over strider, ran on the outside (supinate) of my foot...didn’t know much about cadence. Studied running form and how to improve my cadence. FOR ME, it changed my whole view on running. Faster times…running easier and longer…never had any injuries but the change helped a lot.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 28 күн бұрын
Glad to hear that it worked for you! What did you do in particular to improve your cadence?
@harrycolon3294
@harrycolon3294 28 күн бұрын
@@runningwithjane I watched a video called “3 minutes to correct your running form” and followed it with a metronome for my desired cadence. Focusing on raising my knees. Not saying I’m the most efficient but it has increased my cadence and helped to conserve energy .
@fitnessfreak498
@fitnessfreak498 Ай бұрын
I will not name names but a certain running book club is notorious for their way or the hiway
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 28 күн бұрын
Haha, no idea who you're talking about. Definitely never just one way.
@Nateshe
@Nateshe Ай бұрын
Consistently running over a long period of time.. great advice 👍
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 28 күн бұрын
Lots of reps - that's how you get pretty darn good at anything.
@wvu05
@wvu05 Ай бұрын
A 180 cadence is too rigid of a recommendation. That being said, there is a floor that tends to be crossed by people who are overstriding. I remember one time hearing about the 180 and about heel landing. I went to the track and timed my cadence, which was closer to 150. I cut my step down about 4 cm, my cadence went closer to 180, and I was running faster with no extra effort.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 28 күн бұрын
Agree that 150 cadence is overstriding, but this can be a super easy fix (heel striking doesn't = overstriding). It doesn't require watching endless videos to fix form. I just see channels and whole business made out of fixing running form with ALL of these cues, and I just think...it's not that complicated!!
@wvu05
@wvu05 28 күн бұрын
@@runningwithjane Indeed. In all honesty, I think that a lot of these tend to involve emergency issues for people who have severe issues, and it gets overly universalized, which isn't good for the vast majority who don't need to take drastic action.
@LayneBracy1
@LayneBracy1 Ай бұрын
Great points. A couple years ago, I tried forefoot running, and it seemed great until about mile 21 of my first marathon, when I developed a calf/Achilles strain. I have found success in gradually increasing cadence from about 150 to now training at 176 with the Pulse app. Sudden/extreme changes seem to be the main injury risk for me.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane 28 күн бұрын
I've heard good things about increasing cadence this way. Nothing wrong with utilizing something like this as long as it isn't taking away the joy. I'd also venture to guess improvement would have been made all by running more and your body becoming more efficient in the process (I'm sure the results brought faster results though!) Thanks for your input, Layne!
@Wings_nut
@Wings_nut Ай бұрын
I love how major chain running shoe stores upsell gait analyses and custom insoles, all targeted to new runners.
@runningwithjane
@runningwithjane Ай бұрын
This!! Of course a newer runner (or someone who is just not training appropriately and assumes it's gotta be the shoes) is going to do whatever they tell them. Can't fault them...so frustrating.