Ah, 19 mins ish. The Inquisition. The Ayatollah. Universal values without argument.
@henrycunha837928 күн бұрын
All of Gray's initial list of what is dead about liberalism are highly debatable. Liberalism was never about "libertarianism" in the current definition of that word. It was about "liberty", or "freedom" in a broad sense. Liberalism is at the very heart of freedom of speech enshrined in law. The supposed "woke" repression of points of view is largely a myth. I would like to see a list of the items being repressed. Scientific expertise acquired by government doesn't displace moral and political judgement. That's just a silly juxtaposition of paradigms or criteria seemingly at odds with each other but which are in fact complementary. We all must stop at red lights except ambulances or fire engines. Contrary to conventional wisdom, modern liberal society is really about intricate prohibitions that increase personal freedom. Think about food safety, or freedom from slander. The first is all based on technocratic scientific expertise, the second about limiting the power of the more powerful against those with less power. As someone said, modern government is a big insurance company with an army.
@dinomiles799929 күн бұрын
Wrong 😢❤! Decentralization, Don't die ❤
@nancyborusiewich4821Ай бұрын
He doesn't address the institutional corruption of science by for-profit forces. A lot of seemingly well deserved controversy around authoritarian Covid Big Science, as in "Follow the Science" (or else!). Well designed double-blind methodology, for example, is made a mockery of. One hypothesis given short shrift is; the fix is in, and it favours the emperor's dowsers, Clever Hans, and celebrity scientists who dodge the issue, deflect attention to relative trivialities, effectively acting as apologists for corruption. If feminists, indigenous rights activists, etc., have corrupted and de-legitimized popular notions of scientific truth and beauty, as I think they can and do, corporations, captured academic institutions, private fiefdoms in the mass media, in short, powerful moneyed interests, have done far worse. This problem dates back to Galileo, and before him to Socrates.
@JojoOchoaАй бұрын
I LiKe The Term SCienCe The JeWel of HuManiTy
@user-cv8nj7dh3qАй бұрын
it strikes me, contrary to my comment before, that neoliberalism, in condoning "choice", 'believes' that people make the best choices for themselves??? If neoliberalism promotes choice, why can't people choose not to work???
@samthecan3116Ай бұрын
Very impressed by him laying out what we know and don't know about this topic at the beginning. I feel that far too often historians who write for a general audience don't do that because they think it makes themselves sound less credible or something. I honestly think it makes you sound a lot more credible and wish more people in more fields would do this!
@user-cv8nj7dh3qАй бұрын
philosophical/political theory seems to ignore activities of daily living, including cleaning, tidying, shopping and cooking, or that without manual workers, our system wouldn't work? yet, i suggest the latter 'jobs' conflict with more academic 'work', leaving those who do them, disenfranchised? more to the point, 'liberalism' has taken me, 61, all this time to try to figure out, and, I'm still not sure I have 'solved' it, definitely being poor. I have children and i've lost 3 teeth! Due to neoliberalism's 'mystique', i suggest we have a longer time to familiarise ourselves with it in order to prosper from it. indeed, it would seem that this ability can reasonably be stated to be a human right, given the centrality of the theory to our lives now? Thus, obtaining this above-delineated 'faculty' is another argument to support longevity research, no???
@wy2528Ай бұрын
Very insightful
@mrgladstone4044Ай бұрын
I read his books over and over again.
@lucasbuvinic2402 ай бұрын
I like Adrian but man does he need to swag up
@jro49602 ай бұрын
Shaun Maguire, another greedy MAGA elitist who only cares that his taxes might go up.
@Prometheus_432 ай бұрын
Thank you Shaun, very interesting talk and lots of food for thought!
@PaulWarren-dt1ms2 ай бұрын
Memes hitching a ride on a planetary tale Sea monkeys Earth monkeys...solar system monkeys. Redundant spheres in a dimensional redundancy monkeys Our existential Hiatus until we teleport buckaroo bonsai
@mansari73102 ай бұрын
pro Romon propaganda
@pearlmargaret20043 ай бұрын
Orwell was wrong. Telling the truth is not a revolutionary act. It is a counter-revolutionary act. Because the lies come from the Revolution. As this learned gentleman neatly explains.
@wowjef3 ай бұрын
Zizek asks a similar question: can we do away with religion after the death of god? Following Jacques Alain Miller, Zizek believes that what dies on the cross is not JC but God. The question then becomes: after building our moral and ethical systems on monotheism, can we now safely pull up the ladder and abandon it? Gray would say we cannot
@keto030325 күн бұрын
I fundamentally disagree with Zizek on this. He has this from Hegel. His main point is that God died so that we could be free to then improve our societies. Its our responsibility now, not Gods. I think this is a flawed idea. The main wisdom of religion, specifically Christianity, is that is places heaven outside of this world. We will never as humans create paradise on earth, which rids us from utopian ideas which have come in many forms the last 100 years, including the one John Gray confronts here. Placing paradise outside of this world and keeping God alive gives us a basis to make decisions in this world, and to try to improve it while staying in touch with some core values. Its the basis of our society, therefore removing it was always unwise.
@wowjef25 күн бұрын
@@keto0303 Do you believe there is actually a thinking/creative entity called god? Or is it just a concept/metaphor that allows us to argue for moral values?
@keto030325 күн бұрын
@@wowjef The most honest question to that is that I have no idea. I used to be a firm believer, then I had a period of hard atheism to the likes of Dawkins and Hitchens. Now I find myself coming back to a belief that there certainly are things unexplainable, and for us as humans to think that we can figure it all out with reason and science is delusional. Faith is highly subjective and its not a constant. I think there are universal truths and wisdom in the universe, who set them up, is it a God, I dont know. Christianity does provide a moral framework at least which our predecessors used and guided them.
@EtanEfrati3 ай бұрын
Powerful and enlightening
@carnivaltym3 ай бұрын
The UK's Amy Coney Barrett, with a better education for sure, but still utterly corrupted by so called "conservative" values. Despicable.
@LiranCohen3 ай бұрын
Shaun is a true class act
@blazintommydblazintommyd44163 ай бұрын
actio personalis moritur cum persona
@tomashultgren41173 ай бұрын
The big problem for Dawkins, something that he by now must be fully aware of and is having trouble to cope with, is the fact that the simplistic dogma that has made him famous is now being compehensively debunked by sound scientific facts. The post-Darwinist dictum is that spontaneous mutations in DNA create some individuals with superior adaptability who then dominate through selective pressure. This mechanism works beautifully within a given species, but cannot explain speciation. Speciation is a mystery and Dawkins must know this, and yet he keeps pushing his theory because his entire fame is based on it.
@raddimusmcchoyber33624 ай бұрын
I'd pay more than makes sense to read a detailed and lengthy review by this John Gray about the other John Gray's book "Men Are From Venus, Women Are From Mars".
@Scott.Silburn4 ай бұрын
I enjoyed that, I must say...
@iThinkerer4 ай бұрын
This is kind of embarrassing, to be honest. He’s giving off a very old person being bigoted but still needing social approval energy here. If people don’t like your values, they don’t like your values, deal with it. How is government-sanctioned bigotry any more tolerant?
@KernowekTim4 ай бұрын
Mr Goldsworthy is a Master of his profession. I find his teachins fascinating. His delivey is excellent, in my opinion.
@the_furthest_reaches5 ай бұрын
The grandstanding end of this discussion is embarrassing. People don’t protest the crimes of any random government, but their OWN government’s crimes; something they actually have a say or moral responsibility for. What would possibly be the purpose of protesting another government? The idea makes no sense. Gray lectures us on humility, and then posits some bizarre, universal moral duty of protest to (he thinks) outline the hypocrisy of today’s protests. What nonsense.
@the_furthest_reaches5 ай бұрын
I honestly have never heard Gray sound so confused. Some decent ideas here, but also a lot of horse manure. Religion ushering in tolerance? Laughably, astonishingly false. Consumer choice was always a propagandistic selling point for the free market: the ultimate value was always the unleashing & deification of man as producer; choice was the hoi poloi’s reward for letting great men do their thing (and, especially, keep their rewards). I think he’s right about the inherent amorality of the market, but that’s not only a problem of choice, but of pluralism, which he’s apparently favors. What? Maybe I’m jumping the gun here because I’m only about a third through, but this seems to already be completely off the rails.
@keto030325 күн бұрын
Liberalism was founded on Christianity. Thats the point. When Christianity loses its influence, liberalism becomes void and devolves into what its become.
@ethdow68175 ай бұрын
Parthians were Iranians, they just were not Persians, but definitely they were Iranians. I've never heard anyone contest that! Must have been a slip or something.
@garrygibbs81496 ай бұрын
Why didn't Sumption ask Simpson what his politics were then go on to mention some of the people he'd consorted with politically?
@celestialteapot3096 ай бұрын
The book, Winston Churchil: His times, His Crimes by Tariq Ali deals with objective truths ignored by those who prefer comforting falsehoods.
@rengel00106 ай бұрын
He previously wrote a book Rome and Persia……is this a different book?
@aiistyt6 ай бұрын
His argument for tenure is weak, to put it mildly
@Houthiandtheblowfish7 ай бұрын
he should ve learnet armeniana and georgian to read these sources including syriac asswell they have good accounts on sassanians
@Georgieastra4 ай бұрын
And what are the titles of these texts?
@Houthiandtheblowfish4 ай бұрын
@@Georgieastra church of the east anti chalcedonian church etc
@Georgieastra4 ай бұрын
@@Houthiandtheblowfish Those are not titles of texts.
@lawnmowerman7167 ай бұрын
He’s an atheist. “For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools,“ Romans 1:21-22 ESV
@MeeEee-ge1zg7 ай бұрын
Dawkins commentary would be considered a hate crime in this day and age.
@jamestownf7 ай бұрын
“Elicited praise from the likes of George Soros”….o’ dear!
@michaelhoffmann28918 ай бұрын
So, do Mr Goldsworthy and those who read his books also fall under that idiotic new "meme" about "thinking about the Roman Empire"? 🙄
@rinaspataro17728 ай бұрын
Linear history and progress is a myth. The heart of man needs redemeption. Calvary was the central act of history
@antbrown90668 ай бұрын
Thanks Dr Richard Dawkins. Excellent presentation.
@stmatthewsisland51348 ай бұрын
I think the woke claims to victimhood are more prosaic than the suggested re-imagining of Christianity as Rees Mogg predicted 30 years ago: ‘In Campuses across America the new buzz word is ‘oppression’ any group that claims to be ‘oppressed’ is suddenly possessed of an asset, an entitlement with which to leverage claims to redistribution of wealth’ p110 The Great Reckoning:Protect Yourself in the Coming depression by William Rees-Mogg & James Dale 1992
@ansa3368 ай бұрын
By bringing the Uygur's into this conversation, condemns him in my opinion. It reminds me that he supported Mrs Thatcher. If this man was a dispassionate intellectual, won't he know that Uygur's genocide was a means to destabilise China. Especially now that China is opened, he could at least try to discover the truth before opening his mouth.
@roberthumphreys79778 ай бұрын
When I began my work life, the department of the company that handled people was called "Personnel". Personnel was responsible for taking care of employee needs and issues. Around the end of the 80's, Personnel suddenly became "Human Resources". I thought this was strange at the time but I subsequently realized that how the business viewed employees had changed. Employees were no longer people but just another type of depreciable resource. This was change, but it has not resulted in progress.
@Frohicky15 күн бұрын
It hasn't resulted in progress?
@abuturab15898 ай бұрын
Thank you Sir...!
@roberthumphreys79778 ай бұрын
The man is a national treasure.
@rashnuofthegoldenscales45128 ай бұрын
Iranists find his books to be a joke. Romaboo prattling.
@Georgieastra4 ай бұрын
Perhaps you could provide us with the name of two or three of these "Iranists"?
@ianbaird25258 ай бұрын
It has been said, and I wish I could remember by whom, that liberalism’s natural end point is intolerance and illiberalism. This occurs when the liberal state starts enforcing liberalism as if it were akin to the Articles of Faith in an Established Church. Dissent goes underground lest it be punished. We can see this in the dogmas of DEI, where through coercion and legislation, equal outcomes are being enforced, language is enforced, and criticisms of the doctrine are treated as a threat to inclusion, and called “hate.” Fear keeps the masses in line, fear of social and career penalties. You might even be asked by your bank to take your business elsewhere. In Canada, where I live under the Trudeau Doctrine (intolerance with a sunny disposition), we are well down this path. I don’t recognize my country anymore.
@jamesgibson21799 ай бұрын
You went to Cambridge ? So what, I went to Widnes Tech. Don’t be such a snob !
@sharonjanethague71819 ай бұрын
Adrian Goldsworthy's knowledge of ANY period in history is staggering. Thanks for a great lecture.