I think terriko got his time travel abilitys from Zelda's mother similar to how link got recall. Its a simpler explanation for how this random robot has that power. Maby before zeldas mother died she gave terriko the ability to time travel as a failsafe if Zelda cant activate her powers in time. This would also explan the piller of light appearing from terriko when zelda first awakens her powers. Terrikos probably reacted to the the sudden surge of power that matched his type of power.

I just hope there is actually item progression and the story isn’t an afterthought

It has strong connections to OoT, ALttP, and LBW, that's for sure.

to those saying every game divided the fanbase... Sure. But not to this extent. This is something way way way deeper

11:35 wow looks like BOTW TOTK where you defeat those enemies to unlock the treasure chest

Am I the only one that thinks Tri fairy is the triforce

I've had this theory since TotK came out. BotW and TotK take place in a split from SS running parallel to the current timeline.

Hey you mentioned that there were no games inbetween BoTW and ToTK past and present. Then in BoTW how did Zelda referenced past games like The Twilight era (Twilight Princess) and Ocarina of time? those were considered ancient Hyrulean hystory compared to BoTW and ToTK ..... or is it different with Zelda since she is the reincarnation of Goddess Hylia?

Hey SkyLinkShock, Im a new Subscriber....... Very Kool Theory, i love reading and listening Zelda Theories. I think the Zonai Hero that helped Zelda defeat the First Calamity Ganon is Zonai Raru but when he was Younger.

This has to be the best theory it felt off for Luigi to be evil in Super Paper Mario

My interpretation is that this game takes place after AOL (Zelda 2) and Zelda 1. This is because Ganon would not be able to escape his imprisonment so early, as ALTTP is the first time Ganon escapes his seal by the sages and seizes the complete Triforce after OoT's downfall timeline beginning. Over time, ALBW And ALTTP's Hebra mountains (called this in japanese but in the american release as Death Mountain) froze over and is now extinct or dormant. Zelda's design is more similar to ALBW but has variety so is probably after ALBW. Link's shield isn't the same either as the royal crest differs from LA's remake. In AlttP, Ganon has yellow eyes, speaks and is intelligent. EoW's Ganon has red eyes and seems to be under control of another entity, like OoA and OoS as well as LOZ1 and AoL's Ganon. Both versions of Zora are seen but not in ALTTP or ALBW. These Ocean Zora ( seawater designed Zora) may have come from Labrynna after evacuating from Hyrule AGES ago. So, this game takes place after AoL and before ancient BotW.

"Why are the Gerudo missing from the downfall timeline?" Because they never decided to add them into any downfall timeline game yet after they created the idea of the Gerudo. Keep in mind, the Gerudo BARELY had any appearances in the series before they came back with a huge role in BOTW. Prior to BOTW, the Gerudo (barring Ganondorf himself) only appeared in 3 games: Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask (which is supposedly set in an alternate universe), and Four Swords Adventures which has a very shaky canon as is anyway (let's be real, it has no business in the "official" timeline being in the Child Timeline). The reason the Gerudo never appeared in the Downfall Timeline before is because the Gerudo weren't a recurring race yet. They were in OOT, MM because it reused assets from OOT, then FSA which was clearly trying (and failing) to be the backstory to LTTP, so they included the Gerudo to again reference Ganon's origins, but again, FSA's lore and story is VERY shaky. As such, any idea that the Gerudo "cannot" appear in the Downfall Timeline because they "went somewhere" or whatever is utterly irrelevant and fanon at its finest. We don't know why they are missing... and the devs don't either. Because they didn't even think about it at the time most of those games were made. The newer games added were simply expanding on pre-existing game lore, which didn't feature Gerudo, so they didn't bother including them. ...but if the devs suddenly decide they want the Gerudo to appear in a Downfall Timeline game, they will, and we just have to accept it. We cannot keep making ridiculous over the top theories about why certain things that "never happened before" are suddenly happening in a context which didn't exist prior, because most of the games were created prior to when many major lore events were conceptualized. Its the same idea as to why throughout 99% of the games in the series we see no reference to Goddess Hylia, but in BOTW, TOTK, and now likely in Echoes of Wisdom, suddenly all kinds of people are aware of Hylia. Its because she LITERALLY DID NOT EXIST IN THE LORE WHEN MOST OF THESE GAMES WERE MADE! You can come up with cool fanon reasons as to why Hylia is not mentioned in most Zelda games. But the real reason is she literally wasn't even conceptualized at the time these games were made, which is why she didn't appear. That's it. That's the only actual reason.

I want a 2D game in the adult and child timelines and a 3D game in the downfall timeline

while watching this video i noticed the bow link uses to shoot open zeldas gem cage looks really similar to a construct bow fsr i dont know if that type of looking bow exists elsewhere i dont really play zelda games but it looks like a construct bow

Someone else sayed fingers up to the official timeline if there gonna move around stuff and made everting make sence

I feel like the stream was longer then 3 hours

I like the idea that Echoes of Wisdom is presenting with a newer better version of the Downfall Timeline. However, the here are issues I have with this theory: 1) Every Same or Similar Event to bound to a Single Year - To believe such a theory like this, based on the idea that events or similar events can only happen in one particular time and can not ever be repeated, is to assume that games like Four Swords Adventures and A Link Between Worlds are both actually parallel versions of A Link to the Past, making A Link Between Worlds essentially just that of retelling of A Link to the Past after all, just like all the haters have been stating for years. Four Swords Adventures would also serve as a parallel to ALttP by the laws of logic argued to be a thing by this theory because Ganon already exists and has been fought before in a backstory similar to FSA. And this would also put BotW and TotK on a completely separate timeline of their own too. Thus making the Zelda timeline into a whole massive multiverse. Which is a problem because the timeline is already confusing and head hurting as it is. Plus, by that would make the BotW/TotK timeline illogical as we'd have events that parallel OoT's events set way before events that parallel that of Skyward Sword (sort of), which makes no sense. Not to mention that Minish Cap also talk about war similarly to the wars mentioned in OoT and ALttP. So is MC a parallel either of those two in it's own timeline? This idea that it has be the year for this one sort of event presents problem and major continuity issues, not to mention, even worse plot holes than there already are because sequels with repeating history like ALBW exists. And ALBW even confirms that ALttP happened in it's backstory, so treating as a parallel because of it's similar story telling of events would be like what happened with the Oracle games and Link's Awakening all over again, of defying what's literally confirmed in-game, just to benefit failure to understand why games were placed where they were in the timeline to begin with. 2) More Downfall Timelines - While I do like the idea of another timeline, I don't quite like the idea of another Downfall Timeline or rather the recreation of the Downfall Timeline. I'm all for an explanation for how the Downfall Timeline happened. I just don't think that this is it. Yeah, we see Impa helping Zelda make her escape. But that doesn't mean that it's parallel to OoT. Young Impa could've easily helped BotW/TotK Zelda escape from the enemy in the 100 years before BotW, does that make those event parallel to OoT? No. History repeats itself all the time. Especially in Zelda. Hyrule falls and get rebuilt all the time. There's even a fellow Zelda fan out there who made a whole trilogy of Zelda fan fiction series poking at that whole concept and idea. And even Aonuma himself stated history gets corrupt over time. And when that happens, history tends to repeat itself. Even history of our own world is no stranger to that. Our knowledge of history becomes corrupt overtime, therefore, making us bound to repeat the same mistakes over and over. One of the reasons why historical preservation is so important. Anyways, I don't want this to be another Link is defeated timeline because then what's the point? That'd just further the arguments of "why not just have timelines for when Link failed to stop the Imprisoned on time from SS?" or "why not just have a timeline after Link failed to make to Vaati on time in MC?", which also presents the problem placing both Skyward Sword and Minish Cap as parallels to OoT, TotK's Imprisoning War, FSA's backstory, ALttP's backstory, ALBW's backstory, and this game. That's so many parallels! And in two of them, Ganon doesn't even exist yet. But Minish Cap would also be parallel of FSA, ALttP, ALBW, and TotK at the same time. And same for SS. Plus, with majority of timelines being the result of the hero losing. What kind of message does that bring to people? Not a good one. I personally want to believe that this is a new timeline of an origin yet to be explored by a future release. 3) The Idea of a Zelda Expanded Multiverse - While this may be good from a creative perspective, it's really not for the fan base. Especially for those who like to follow lore and timelines a lot. While this sort of thing works for content such as comic book franchises. Having just a few timelines for Zelda already only barely works as a lot of people in the Zelda fan base don't like the idea of there being so many different timelines when they can barely keep up with a few. It'd be better to just have one new timeline that becomes Nintendo's main focus for Zelda going forward, rather than reinventing the timeline that's already making people's heads hurt into a more broken down whole expansive multiverse that makes even less sense, resulting in more head hurting. I like that the video points out interesting nods, references, and parallels. I just don't think this is parallel to OoT. It could actually be a more so this new timeline's parallel to the era of like ALttP and ALBW of Downfall Timeline and FSA of the Child Timeline. I definitely do believe that we may get more games to explain this new timeline. I think that would be a much smarter move than to make the already existing timelines even more confusing than necessary. But hey, that's just me, I guess.

Something I want to add, your comparisons to ocarina of time also in a way correlate to Totk. There are countless references to ocarina of time whether it be in flashbacks of the distant past, songs that take pieces from ocarina of times songs, and even the smallest details you wouldn’t even be able to read normally inscribed on weapons dropped by phantom ganon. While you believe this game is a part of a NEW timeline, retelling the story of ocarina of time, I believe totk already did that. And while it was stated that they are done “telling the story of THIS hyrule” they never said anything about wanting to tell a story in a relatively farther future hyrule. While some could argue it can’t be, due to the art style for example, none of the games (except most of the adult timeline, and majoras mask) share an art style specific to that timeline UNLESS it is a direct sequel. I feel like botw/totk hyrule is one of an inevitable, incomprehensibly distant future within ALL the timelines as there are references to every timeline. This is not to say the timelines have converged into one again, but rather those games are an inevitability. And since they know how their fanbase is about the timeline (hence why they even put it in hyrule historia in the first place), then they would know to be wary of that. This game has many references to ocarina of time, but there look to be other references too like heavy inspirations from the links awakening remake. Where totk had heavy lore and themes with ocarina of time, I feel like this game will build upon that. To me, it feels like these three games are the beginning to a new chapter in hyrule history.

The truth is that people have completely misunderstood what brought about the Downfall Timeline. The Hero of Time was NOT defeated at the end of Ocarina of Time. Not only is it disappointing to think that Link could have lost, but there are far too many logistical issues there. Why isn't a new timeline created for every time Link could possibly die?? He could die to a mere deku scrub and it would form a whole new Downfall Timeline. No. The timeline split occurs when Link arrives in the future, after opening the Door of Time and lifting the Master Sword from its pedestal, allowing Ganondorf to enter the Sacred Realm. Link travels into the future and creates the Adult Timeline the moment he awakens in the future. Meanwhile, two Ganondorfs are created: one that goes on to conquer Hyrule unopposed, thus leading to the events of the Imprisoning War. The other conquers Hyrule in the Adult Timeline, and the story of Ocarina of Time plays out in the way that we experience it. Link travels between the Adult and Downfall timelines and manages to traverse the Bottom of the Well and the left side of the Spirit Temple before Ganondorf's second war against Hyrule has gone into full swing. His impact on those areas remains because the timelines remain merged until Link's arrival to the Adult Timeline, because that is where the inception of the only change between the two occurs: that change being Link's presence 7 years in the future.

why not, great reasoning lol

Just saying its a alternate timeline without explaing how has the same problems as the what-if problems of the Downfall timeline.

Video deserves more views

I have *never* understood the hatred for the downfall timeline, it's so fitting! Zelda weakened the timestream by sending Link back permanently, and the triforce of power uses that weakness to create a timeline that grants Ganondorf's wish to defeat Link. The result of 3 timelines fits perfectly with there being 3 pieces of the triforce: the child timeline, saved by Zelda's wisdom, the adult timeline saved by Link's courage, and the downfall timeline brought low by Ganondorf's power.

Demonking ganondorf and thief ganondorf is not the same person right?

This was fun to watch! I had a theory about the start of the downfall timeline too, but mines kind of horrible lol. Mine was that the Hero’s Shade in child timeline is actually a reflection of the true Link that left Hyrule again after he grew up. I imagined him playing a song on the ocarina he felt from within, like song of the goddess, and a portal opening up that takes him directly through time to the downfall timeline in the temple of time as if came there like he did in OoT and pulled out the master sword. It would end with him and Shiek. ‘I’ve been waiting for you Hero of Time.’ So it would have all been on Link, but very cruel. The Hero of Time doesn’t get it easy. He saves one world, but is forced to live in second one. He gets used to that second one, he gets taken again again to the third he can’t save. Tragic, crazy, or both? Lol

Is it the timeline where Child Link’s warning about Garondorf plotting to invade Hyrule and take the Triforce falling on deaf ears, leading Hyrule to ruin and the many races left Hyrule after the whole thing since they started to hate the King’s leadership?

Clever.

Nintendo has an easy way to solve the lore knot they made with botw/totk. They just have to acknowledge a timeline break from the events of skyward sword. That way, the past events of totk can literally just be an alternate timeline’s version of oot. Let’s say the original timeline of games proceeds from the link and Zelda’s timeline at the end of skyward sword and the new continuity comes from when demise is defeated 1000 years prior when link goes back in time. If humans returned to the surface 1000 years earlier, that could explain why the Zonai are still around. It could also explain the divergent evolutionary path the zora took in the new continuity and explain why zora and Rito are both present in the new continuity’s version of oot.

Technically Deku Scrubs do appear in the downfall timeline in the Oracle games as Business Scrubs and as enemies in Tri Force Heroes. But if anything that only strengthens evidence for this theory

I enjoyed watching this video and yes i agree with some of things you pointed out . Now the best mystery is the master sword? In lttp one of the village elders said it came from a distant land along with a few other items . But if it turns out that echoes takes place before lttp then Nintendo will have to update the downfall timeline, the series is evolutioning none the less overall im looking forward to this new entry but link to the past will always be my favorite game in the franchise.

Its the fortune teller from skyward sword, he went mad after years of no one wanting his services forcing him to seek solice in an ancient god that promised wealth and prestige

i heard a telegram notfication

5:18 which is sad because Link losing makes sense considering the triforce pieces were talked about right before the fight so him losing would have an obvious but reasonable outcome. They at least tried to keep the link between the OoT sages and the Zelda II towns (which Aonuma said was an intentional sotry plot point) as well as keeping OoT as ALttP Ganon's origins. I personally think that this is a post Zelda II game. Mainly due to the zonai symbols being seen in the game.

5:18 That's why people don't like the Fallen Timeline? I thought it was the fact that Link could die altogether. Surely a hero can fail? However, if it's THAT reason why they don't like it then I guess it has merits. The one thing that irks me is that the adult timeline shouldn't exist because of the fact that since Link went back to his childhood and stopped Ganondorf from entering in the sacred realm by warning the king that all the actions in the future would become null and void. However, I guess the Zelda timeline has more of a butterfly effect than a "do a thing differently to change the future" kind of series.

I make Zelda animations on my channel if you’re interested in watching them

While i personally dont agree with the theory, its really well done and definitely had me thinking more about the timeline for EoW great video ❤

I know I’m late, but this does not work. Ganondorf would never wake up in the age of calamity timeline. The reason he was able to break the bind on his heart is because the calamity destroyed the castle. The castle was helping the seal and making sure no one disturbed the it. as we can see in the final moments of the imprisoning war Raruu was below Ganondorf and his back was only slightly arched. But in the opening of tears Ganondorf is bent almost 90° with Raruus hand above him, if it wasn’t for the calamity, destroying the castle 100 years before he could have kept him there forever and maybe even won

Zelda Minecraft isn't all bad but detail in other areas are suffering because of it.

It saddens me that Nintendo is done with "traditional" zeldas but im looking forward to whats to come in the future. echoes of wisdom looks great!

I love how we can't just play a traditional zelda game where zelda is the protagonist. No, it has to be Minecraft creative mode where zelda can't even fight enemies 🤨

I bet you half of these people just are twilight princess/majoras mask fans

We'll have to see how Echoes of Wisdom goes but I'm coming to the gradual conclusion that new Zelda games might just not be for me anymore. There's literally no hope of the voices of old fans being heard because the new fans greatly outnumber them. And new fans don't want to hear what the old fans have to say so the natural thing for a traditional Zelda fan like me to do is to stop caring and pay more attention to a series like Metroid that stays closer to the franchise's roots. BotW/TotK fans can praise the new direction of Zelda for its complete openness all they want but I'm so over it. They can say the new games have amazing design for allowing you to skip over large chunks of content with a hoverbike but personally I think that's extremely lame.

I think it's fine with Echoes, as long as story and dungeons are up to snuff. It helps it's like... A spin off(?), or at least doing something new with Zelda as the protag and they didn't just hand her a sword and called it a day. I still don't wanna touch breath or tears with a 20 ft pole though

Let's go back to the old way. I didn't become a zelda fan for open wolrd sandbox problemsolving. I want puzzles with neatly designed specific solutions. And it is exactly as they say: "Necessity is the mother of invention" More freedom isn't gonna make us be creative when solving puzzles. It is when we are limited, that we have to come up with a creative solution (Even if the solution is set by the developers)

It's funny how Aonuma was hated for the linearity in Spirit Tracks and Skyward Sword, and now gets hate for the openness of the newer games. It's like these rabid people just don't want him period. It's really pathetic

Whats the music at the end of the video?

I disagree Zelda didn’t do much- she had to chance to save sonia- change the past but no- she didn’t- things played out the same way- so even if link was there or not- only thing she did was restore the sword- her only good sacrifice. Her presence in the past did not make any good impact. So yes it’d had been better if link was there- also as new experience for us the gamers to enjoy hyrule of the past.

Let's be clear, it's not an evolution, it's a reinvention. While the new games are fine, they are completely different from their predecessors, and I'm sad to say they do not appeal to me.