Control Methods of LLC Converters
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@PSPS437
@PSPS437 Күн бұрын
Useless video. Could do better by measuring loops for various converters such as PFC, DC-DC etc
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials Күн бұрын
We are sorry if this video does not match all expectations. We think a little fun can also be useful. 🙏
@BrentLeVasseur
@BrentLeVasseur Күн бұрын
What would be the best shielding to protect circuitry in close proximity to a high voltage Tesla coil? Copper or Aluminum?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials Күн бұрын
Please get in contact with the presenter directly. Thanks!
@NoaddictQ
@NoaddictQ 2 күн бұрын
What if the input impedance is really close to 50ohm? Let's assume 150ohm. What's the other measuring technique that does not use the bode output voltage? 01:26 to 02:25
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 2 күн бұрын
Dear @NoaddictQ, please be aware that the video as well as the SW used in this video is really old. Therefore, please check out this newer application note: www.omicron-lab.com/applications/detail/news/audio-system-measurements as well as the appnote on impedance measurement methods: www.omicron-lab.com/applications/detail/news/impedance-measurements-using-the-bode-100. If you have any further questions, please contact us here: www.omicron-lab.com/contact/support
@paulpaulzadeh6172
@paulpaulzadeh6172 3 күн бұрын
Confusing name for product. It is marketing department vs R&D projekt name. It is classic conflict, we have the same problems in our company. 😂😂😂😂
@florianhf
@florianhf 3 күн бұрын
😄
@theminertom11551
@theminertom11551 7 күн бұрын
Excellent tutorial.
@audioteslacoils
@audioteslacoils 7 күн бұрын
Is it OK to use an electrolytic in an EMI filter as an X-capacitor?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 7 күн бұрын
Normally, an X-capacitor is a safety certified capacitor that can withstand over-voltages coming from the line.
@LaboussoleNano
@LaboussoleNano 23 күн бұрын
thanks for this video, I am modelling PCB parasitic too (ADS PEPRO), for validation I have quite the same(results) but damping of the ringing (attenuation), How can I correct that? Best regards
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 22 күн бұрын
This is a very detailed question. Can you please contact the presenter directly? Thanks!
@LaboussoleNano
@LaboussoleNano 22 күн бұрын
@@OMICRONLabTutorials thanks, i'll reach him
@CADElectronicsTH
@CADElectronicsTH Ай бұрын
Thank you.
@SamCPower
@SamCPower Ай бұрын
Common Mode currents will see both inductors, so why not short out the two inputs and the two outputs?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials Ай бұрын
Your proposal is also possible and should give similar results.
@abtinst
@abtinst Ай бұрын
The described solution is based on the idea of conducting the filtered noise to protective earth, and getting rid of it. But in Class II devices, where you don’t have any protective earth to conduct the noise to it, how we filter the noise?
@farisikhmal4868
@farisikhmal4868 Ай бұрын
how about magnetic field on shorted traces ?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials Ай бұрын
Can you please be more specific on your question and send it to [email protected]? Thanks!
@farisikhmal4868
@farisikhmal4868 Ай бұрын
@@OMICRONLabTutorials I want to know what happens to the magnetic flux when there is a short between power rail and ground especially on multilayer board. Is the magnetic field cancelled out or somehow concentrated and disturbed resulting in stronger field?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials Ай бұрын
@@farisikhmal4868 generally a short will cause a high current and a high current can cause a high magnetic field. If this field disturbs something else will depend on the situation.
@ats89117
@ats89117 Ай бұрын
At 33:31 Loop 1 is drawn going from the cathode to the anode of the diode. This would occur during reverse recovery, but only for a short period of time. Was this loop meant to include the inductor and output capacitor?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials Ай бұрын
Dear @ats89117, we just talked to Dr. Ali Shirsavar, and that was his response to your question: "Loop1 is drawn for when the current is conducting through the switch, i.e., when the switch is turned on. Loop2 is drawn for when the current is conducting through the diode, i.e., during switch turn-off. From a layout perspective, we are just trying to identify which loops have high di/dt at "some point" during the switching cycle. Apologies for the ambiguity!"
@ats89117
@ats89117 Ай бұрын
Very good presentation, but we probably didn't need to know that you hadn't worn a shirt since last March!
@hassankhanbabaie2209
@hassankhanbabaie2209 Ай бұрын
Hi, I'm gonna use the device to measure the common mode impedance of a motor. Which configuration is suitable and which connector type should I use?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials Ай бұрын
Dear @hassankhanbabaie2209, thanks a lot for your question! Please use this contact form (www.omicron-lab.com/contact/support) to send us the schematics of your DUT and some more information.
@kc110380
@kc110380 2 ай бұрын
ceramic cap esl is very high in the model
@doolab-meksoor
@doolab-meksoor 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, very useful materials.
@kc110380
@kc110380 2 ай бұрын
thanks for nice video, can you share the slides?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 2 ай бұрын
Please send a message to [email protected].
@zktec1
@zktec1 2 ай бұрын
13:15 Is the additional +180 of phase on in the Analyzer Suite true for only the loop gain measurement? In other words, if I switch the probes around to measure the compensator as in 43:60, will its phase also be shown with an additional 180 degrees of phase? Based on actual measurements with my Bode 100, i'm seeing a low-freq phase of a Type-II OTA compensator as around +90 degree. But in a spice simulation it starts out at -90 degree. Just wanting to make sure I'm interpreting this correctly. This is a super-informative video by the way. Thank you Florian.
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 2 ай бұрын
The "additional 180° phase shift" is actually not "additional" but it is there in the real physical system whereas it is not there in a theoretical open-loop analysis of a negative feedbacks system. Bode 100 will always measure the real physical system. In case of an inverting error amplifier with integral part, there is a -180° phase shift from the inverting configuration and a -90° phase shift from the integrator part. In total this is -270° which equals +90° phase. Did you use an inverting configuration in your spice simulation?
@zktec1
@zktec1 2 ай бұрын
@@OMICRONLabTutorials You are exactly right. I went back to my simulation and sure enough did not have it configured to inverting. Even in my own derivation of the compensator I didn't propagate negative sign through. Now everything is reading +90 on the compensator's phase at low-freq. Thank you Florian for point this out.
@jean-pierrebrasile1242
@jean-pierrebrasile1242 2 ай бұрын
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:04 *🎓 Introduction et Contexte* - Présentation de Christophe et de son parcours professionnel, - Introduction au sujet des convertisseurs LLC. 00:42 *🔧 Fonctionnement de Base du Convertisseur LLC* - Explication des principes de commutation et de l'impact des parasitismes, - Définition de la zone de fonctionnement sûr (SOA) et de ses implications, - Importance des réseaux de suppression pour réduire les pertes de commutation. 06:00 *🔄 Principe de Fonctionnement des Convertisseurs LLC* - Description des éléments résonants : condensateur série, inductance de magnétisation et inductance de fuite, - Avantages de la topologie de commutation douce pour les applications à haute fréquence. 10:11 *⚡ Contrôle du Flux de Puissance* - Importance de la symétrie du rapport cyclique 50% pour assurer une commutation correcte, - Utilisation du temps mort pour éviter les courts-circuits transitoires et assurer la commutation à tension nulle (ZVS), - Impact de la fréquence de commutation sur les caractéristiques de transfert du convertisseur. 14:00 *🔍 Analyse des Impédances et Contrôle en Fréquence* - Étude des différentes régions d'impédance capacitive et inductive, - Importance de la fréquence de résonance pour le fonctionnement efficace du convertisseur LLC, - Explication des modes de commutation et de la gestion des courants de magnétisation. 17:08 *📊 Caractérisation et Simulation* - Utilisation de modèles de simulation pour prédire les performances du convertisseur, - Importance de la simulation des transistors et de l'adaptation des temps morts, - Outils et méthodes pour vérifier et optimiser le fonctionnement du convertisseur en conditions réelles. 22:02 *📈 Régulation de la Sortie du Convertisseur LLC* - Stratégies de régulation de la fréquence de commutation pour moduler la puissance de sortie, - Impact du réseau résonant sur les caractéristiques de transfert DC, - Conception des contrôleurs LLC pour assurer une régulation précise et efficace. 24:29 *🔬 Analyse de la Fonction de Transfert* - Difficultés de dérivation de la fonction de transfert pour les convertisseurs LLC, - Importance des fonctions de transfert de contrôle à sortie pour l'analyse de la stabilité, - Méthodes avancées pour comprendre et modéliser la réponse du convertisseur aux stimuli de contrôle. 25:44 *📉 Fonction de Transfert et Simulation* - Analyse des fonctions de transfert des convertisseurs LLC, - Importance des simulations pour comprendre les réponses en petite et grande signalisation, - Utilisation de Simplis pour extraire les réponses AC en petits signaux. 27:32 *⚙️ Conception et Modélisation* - Importance de la caractérisation du point de polarisation pour des résultats précis, - Simulation des courbes de réponse et ajustement des marges de phase et de gain, - Analyse des tolérances des composants et de leur impact sur la stabilité. 32:19 *🔄 Techniques de Contrôle Indirect* - Présentation de la technique de contrôle par charge pour les convertisseurs LLC, - Avantages de la réponse de premier ordre pour la stabilité de la régulation, - Modélisation simplifiée et analyse des marges de phase avec des techniques de contrôle indirect. 37:57 *💡 Contrôle par Phase et Impulsion* - Introduction au contrôle par phase et par impulsion pour la régulation des convertisseurs LLC, - Méthodes pour ajuster la durée des impulsions et contrôler indirectement la fréquence de commutation, - Utilisation des transformateurs de courant pour la gestion des surintensités et la robustesse du convertisseur. 51:44 *🔄 Contrôle par Déphasage* - Introduction au contrôle par déphasage pour les convertisseurs LLC, - Principe de fonctionnement : observation des courants résonants et modulation du cycle d'oscillateur, - Impact sur la commutation à tension nulle et la régulation du flux de puissance. 53:10 *🏠 Implémentation du TSC (Contrôle par Déphasage)* - Implémentation du contrôle par déphasage dans un package autonome de 20 broches, - Caractéristiques : tension de fonctionnement jusqu'à 800 volts, diodes bootstrap intégrées, - Modèle de modulation Simplis pour vérifier le comportement du modulateur et la réponse en fréquence. 55:03 *⚡ Comparaison des Techniques de Contrôle* - Comparaison entre les techniques de contrôle par fréquence directe et par déphasage, - Avantages du contrôle par déphasage : meilleures marges de stabilité, réponse en fréquence améliorée, - Application typique : convertisseurs PFC et LLC pour des applications de 100 watts. Made with HARPA AI
@lupingliu7498
@lupingliu7498 2 ай бұрын
Hi Christophe: In 20:20, 'The Process of Finding the Right Point', right chart, why the two current curve have a suddend change after the POP start? In my understand , the POP is try to find the correct operation point, include the operate current , if have such sudden change ,is it means the current before POP is not correct ?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 2 ай бұрын
For such a specific question, can you please get in contact with Christophe directly? Thanks!
@ankitpratihasta1556
@ankitpratihasta1556 2 ай бұрын
Sir, please could you explain how to measure the loop gain if we use the hall sensors for the voltage measurement?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 2 ай бұрын
The principles explained in this video apply to any control loop / feedback where the information flows in form of a voltage. Please contact [email protected] for specific questions.
@brendanlynskey969
@brendanlynskey969 3 ай бұрын
Great video. Around 21 minutes in, you mention a video in which you discuss how to handle too much ramp in the controller. Could you provide a link or the title of the video? Thanks in advance.
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 3 ай бұрын
Not sure but maybe Dr. Ali Shirsavar was refering to a video that is not yet released. There are a couple of videos coming on his channel "Biricha Digital".
@mohammadrezaadib8999
@mohammadrezaadib8999 3 ай бұрын
best snubber explanation! thanks. What if the flyback has multiple isolated output? what would be the N?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 3 ай бұрын
Thats a good question. We will check if we can find an answer. You could also measure the voltage on the switch directly since N is just used to calculate it from the reflected secondary.
@javan1015
@javan1015 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the very interesting video. I didnt know about thie reactance paper. Can it be used as well in the case of a double stage filter?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 3 ай бұрын
The principles should be the same, so it should be usable.
@ramagirikuna1586
@ramagirikuna1586 3 ай бұрын
Hi sir, would you clarify me that how you have considered the value 2.5 to 5 in C clamp calculation,is any reference for that ???
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 3 ай бұрын
In the video, the reference points to Basso's book: Switch-Mode Power Supplies Spice Simulations and Practical Designs". Please check there. Thanks!
@ramagirikuna1586
@ramagirikuna1586 3 ай бұрын
@@OMICRONLabTutorials Thank you so much sir..
@ramagirikuna1586
@ramagirikuna1586 3 ай бұрын
Hi sir,how to select the primary diode rating for RCD Snubber design..
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 3 ай бұрын
Please contact Biricha directly for this question.
@CHkorkskruv
@CHkorkskruv 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Florian, for a very interesting video! I have a couple of questions. - At 9.20 you show two impedance plots. Is the blue one only a dream, or would it be realisable? How does it decrease the impedance seen by the load at the high frequency peak? - An interesting demo would be to use the Bode/Picotest combination on some real, third (or fourth) party PCBs to demonstrate the difference between a good and a poor PDN. - The formula introduced at 13.30 might need more explanation. - Would it be possible to make a (very delicate and expensive :) ) Kelvin-type probe with four needles, two for the excitation (current), and two for differential measurement of the voltage difference across the point of interest, e.g. a capacitor? The differential measurement would use both the input channels of the Bode. All three coax shields could by connected at the probe, so ground currents would still flow in the measurement cables, but as the difference is measured, this would not matter. Well, I am sure you tried this already :) - At 43:30 the impressive noise floor of the Bode 500 is shown. It is not clear to me how the voltage across the short is measured, with channel 1? - How important is it at higher frequencies, > 1 MHz, to have the PCB under test powered on? Looking forward to the next video from you, C
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 3 ай бұрын
Hi! The blue curve at 9:20 is a simulation done by Picotest. It follows the "flat impedance approach". Steve Sandler is doing trainings on how to achieve this. I think the blue resonance peak is lowered by removing the low-impedance valleys. Thanks for the hint to the explanation of the 2-port shunt-thru formula. Regarding the noise-floor, the CH1 is not connected, the receiver 1 is routed internally to the signal source as a reference signal like in the S21 measurement. Powering on the pcb is important to see the dc-bias loss of ceramic capacitors when they are charged. For a more detailed discussion, please contact us via [email protected].
@paulpaulzadeh6172
@paulpaulzadeh6172 3 ай бұрын
Just wonder if the filter character would change if you run DC supply through it , i mean, it shouldn't be biased with DC supply 12 volt , 10A to see how impedance would change . Maybe your inductance would be saturated with 10A.
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 3 ай бұрын
Dear Paul, can you please get in contact with Günther directly? We don't know the technical details of his work.
@paulpaulzadeh6172
@paulpaulzadeh6172 3 ай бұрын
Nice , very good sound too, good big ppt too. How did you choose value , is it from Dr.Ali shasvari video?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 3 ай бұрын
Dear Paul, can you please get in contact with Günther directly? We don't know the technical details of his work.
@inductr
@inductr 3 ай бұрын
Haha did not expect that from the always sober lab so very clever 😅 can we buy the old units now!
@f.vazquez9259
@f.vazquez9259 3 ай бұрын
LoL didnt about Dr's skills as a comedian! I hope his review is out soon
@gerdschneider6098
@gerdschneider6098 3 ай бұрын
This is what the proud owner of a "Bode 100" writes: Really funny and well done!
@Janamejaya.Channegowda
@Janamejaya.Channegowda 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing.
@michaelchang3234
@michaelchang3234 3 ай бұрын
Oops! Anyway are you going to release any records for the recent design symposium? I'm looking forward to it. I'd missed it.
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 3 ай бұрын
Yes, the recordings should be online within the next few days.
@michaelchang3234
@michaelchang3234 3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@biswajit681
@biswajit681 3 ай бұрын
​@@OMICRONLabTutorials when you are going to make online,it's already been 10 days
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 3 ай бұрын
@@biswajit681 They are live now: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hKxnfNBhyOC8n5s.htmlfeature=shared
@biswajit681
@biswajit681 3 ай бұрын
@@OMICRONLabTutorials Many Thanks!!
@MAYDAYDEEJAY
@MAYDAYDEEJAY 3 ай бұрын
No Dr. Ali was harmed 😅 I'm exited to this unit in action 😮
@biswajit681
@biswajit681 3 ай бұрын
When you are going to upload this year videos?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 3 ай бұрын
As soon as we have prepared the recordings. It can take some days.
@biswajit681
@biswajit681 3 ай бұрын
@@OMICRONLabTutorials Thanks for the response... please keep priority of Dr. Ali Shrishabar and Basso video
@esmfamil3929
@esmfamil3929 3 ай бұрын
nice , دمت گرم هموطن
@esmfamil3929
@esmfamil3929 3 ай бұрын
thanks for your nice explanation
@koWang-lb7hd
@koWang-lb7hd 4 ай бұрын
can you help educate why there is no mirror of diode current on the return path? because it goes into inductor and change to inductor ripple current and mirrored to GND instead?
@maksymkloka7819
@maksymkloka7819 4 ай бұрын
Great video. Good refresher.
@lordfabri
@lordfabri 4 ай бұрын
This is one of the best videos explaining with simplicity current loops! Great and thank you for sharing.
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 4 ай бұрын
Thanks! We will share your feedback with Dr. Ali.
@orientaldagger6920
@orientaldagger6920 5 ай бұрын
Do you have a video on choosing injection point of multiple feedback systems like an opamp with multiple feedback?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 5 ай бұрын
Unfortunately not. As far as we know, in a multi-loop system all loops should be stable on each own. Best would be measuring each loop on its own if possible.
@JorgeSilva-em8pf
@JorgeSilva-em8pf 5 ай бұрын
Dear Andeas. Which is the Magnitude, Phase, color? Your voice pitch as very low, therefore, sometimes, we can not understand some words. Regards.
@Gengh13
@Gengh13 6 ай бұрын
Good introduction to a subject that is not known by a lot of engineers.
@kagakagazobaza2609
@kagakagazobaza2609 6 ай бұрын
Is this for robotics?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 6 ай бұрын
Mostly for electronics. 🙂
@xfxox
@xfxox 6 ай бұрын
Dumb question. Why just not to put a single diode across inductor so the power just dissipated in it? Every single amateur scheme have it😅
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 6 ай бұрын
The RCD clamp does contain a diode that gets forward biased when the spike gets too high. Note that dissipating also impacts efficiency so the goal is to dissipate only as much as necessary to protect the switch.
@xfxox
@xfxox 6 ай бұрын
@@OMICRONLabTutorials thanks, i'm learning, your lectures are very helpful
@user-zb9jn6rl3q
@user-zb9jn6rl3q 7 ай бұрын
Stuart barrie scriven get outlook for Android Geoffrey
@mohamedramdane4602
@mohamedramdane4602 8 ай бұрын
THAT WAS BANGING! THANK U SO MUCH
@msaad.2030
@msaad.2030 8 ай бұрын
It can be used to test coupled coils used for wireless power transmission? like estimating the mutual coupling or coupling coefficient between the coils?
@OMICRONLabTutorials
@OMICRONLabTutorials 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Please check out: www.omicron-lab.com/applications/detail/news/modelling-wireless-power-transfer-link
@PavolFilek
@PavolFilek 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for explanation