Damn the emergency decent and lack of AP usages looked way more dangerous than the ice that was on the wings!
@RWRPilotTraining2 күн бұрын
If the encounter is more than light ice; AP OFF, maintain minimum ice penetration speed or more, leave the area, announce your intentions and declare an emergency if needed. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@danielreuter25652 күн бұрын
You have so much expertise and your student is clearly not at the same level. I wish you were asking him questions that would help him to learn to interpret all those sophisticated weather tools. If I was your student in this scenario, I would have been very impressed with your capabilities but I would be unable to replicate your analysis later.
@RWRPilotTraining2 күн бұрын
Hi Daniel, Thank you for your comment. There is a great deal of post flight preparation and post flight debriefing that is not in this short video. Sorry you missed it. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@danielreuter25652 күн бұрын
Amazingly detailed advice. Thanks for sharing
@RWRPilotTraining2 күн бұрын
Thank you for the kind words. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@danielreuter25652 күн бұрын
Thanks for the visceral demonstration on how so many pilots get in bad trouble in these high performance pressurized planes that don't require a type rating. I've never seen that myself in such detail.
@RWRPilotTraining2 күн бұрын
Thank you for your comments.. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@shanec.71052 күн бұрын
Sound a little out of control from instructor stand point.
@RWRPilotTraining2 күн бұрын
.. a little
@drd86093 күн бұрын
Glad I watched this from my desk seat and not the right seat. Terrific lesson and video. Thanks for posting.
@RWRPilotTraining2 күн бұрын
Thanks.. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@RB-ie9wf3 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing. CRM seemed a little lacking there - the student seemed confused at all the instructions that were thrown at him. Once you pushed the nose down and were in clear air there really wasn’t an emergency so maybe taking a few seconds to calm things down and to summarize the situation and the next steps would be helpful? Since you brought up medicine, SBAR (Situation, Background, Assessment and Recommendation) is often used to summarize the issue and recommended resolution. You might want to try it out.
@RWRPilotTraining2 күн бұрын
CRM is a tricky thing to teach in single pilot aircraft. I focus on immediate action drills and simple rules, most of which is provided in preflight briefings and post flight debriefs. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@ewersm13 күн бұрын
Good stuff, Dick...thank you! I was looking forward to seeing how you handled the ice. Maybe a future video?
@RWRPilotTraining3 күн бұрын
Yes Sir.. Check out my Airframe Icing Playlist.. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@ewersm13 күн бұрын
@@RWRPilotTraining Will do, Dick. Thank you!
@lukebelvin49004 күн бұрын
Crazy that he gives this info out for free
@RWRPilotTraining3 күн бұрын
@@lukebelvin4900 Hi Luke, Thank you for the kind words. I am happy to help. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@RideIntoTheWind4 күн бұрын
Nice approach and landing. I work in the hangar right there at A4.
@RWRPilotTraining4 күн бұрын
It’s a beautiful airport.. one of my favorites! Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@texasman1234 күн бұрын
Good lesson for a real world icing situation, that airspeed loss serious!
@RWRPilotTraining4 күн бұрын
It’s THE most important consideration! Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@caprica_135 күн бұрын
Disengaging yaw damp at FL250 is wild, autopilot maybe but yaw damp needs to stay on. I also wouldn't advise disengaging AP in this scenario, just get a descent going, you're unnecessarily increasing workload, he was clearly overloaded there.
@RWRPilotTraining4 күн бұрын
Hi Caprica, Thanks for your comments. The PA46 elevator has an “over center” portion that allows ice forming in that area to “freeze” the elevator surface to the horizontal stabilizer. The autopilot must come off to prevent a runaway trim. Next I wanted to physically touch the manual trim wheel to verify it is not running. I asked the pilot training to begin a descent as my PFD did not show a descent and we were loosing airspeed. He was likely answering me while looking at descent rate. This aircraft has two completely separate airspeed systems and I wanted to confirm the speed on both sides to be matched. We likely got in a downdraft.. 2000ft per minute at one point . As the medical profession is trained to “FIRST, do no harm”, so should pilots. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@docdanoderm2 күн бұрын
In general I was always told to turn off the autopilot and hand fly the airplane when gaining ice so you can feel the airplane
@MatthewWithTwoTs5 күн бұрын
"Fly first, talk second." Student pilot here. I know this, but it can never be overstated. Thank you!
@RWRPilotTraining4 күн бұрын
Hi Matt, Yes indeed. Easier said than done. This was the pilot training’s first ice experience. The area was forecast to be light ice only, but there you have it.
@BonanzaPilot5 күн бұрын
I didn't see what led up to this, but 105IAS at 250 really caught my attention. About 10 knots lost from ice and ATC needs to know you NEED to move. Looked like you were going through some tops. I've picked up moderate at -25c and descended just 2k, out of the tops, and ice became manageable again. 30 knots of lost airspeed in an underpowered plane like a malibu is pretty scary. You may have been only a few knots from the critical angle of attack. On a piston it really snowballs. You lose that airspeed that already doesn't have a big buffer and now you've lost your engine cooling as well because of lost airflow. This particular situation should have been avoided via preflight planning. Known weather and -20c at your can's ceiling should have prompted either a lower altitude or a delay. PA46's are FIKI but anything with boots shouldn't do anything but transit icing conditions. These planes are breaking up at an alarming rate from less experienced pilots doing this. Stay safe!
@RWRPilotTraining5 күн бұрын
Hi Bonanza Pilot.. Thanks for your comments. You are spot on with your analysis. This was a training flight focusing on rain showers/radar and CIP/FIP airframe ice scenarios. This specific area was forecast by the CIP/FIP to be light ice only. The airspeed issue concerned us the most. Sometimes I find that this is the result of not leaving the area soon enough. In this instance the pilot training did not begin the descent soon enough. In fact he even climbed a little bit coming off the AP due to the updraft. It was his first icing experience and while it was a bit more than we expected he did the right thing. When we debriefed, the updated CIP/FIP showed areas of light and moderate ice! It is also important to note that an area with a PIREP for light ice from a 737 is off limits to a GA aircraft. Same way each and every time.. SWEET! Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@markusp17885 күн бұрын
What's the context? Is that a FIKI airplane and or turbine or piston? How to manage that if you have to also keep an eye on CHTs as well? Or so you disregard those in such an event?
@RWRPilotTraining5 күн бұрын
@@markusp1788 Hi Mark, The PA46 Malibu Mirage is a FIKI equipped 350 HP piston aircraft. No power changes were required since airspeed was maintained by starting a descent. Engine temperature does increase slightly when operating with alternate induction air open which is standard practice when operating in the presence of visible moisture. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@johnrumpf85596 күн бұрын
Dick, absolutely love your videos. I’m a 24 yo professional pilot. I didn’t learn any of this until I was flying in the real corporate world. Your content is the kind of critical stuff they do not teach in flight school. Thank you for taking the time to make these!
@RWRPilotTraining6 күн бұрын
You are most welcome John .. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@marklittle99136 күн бұрын
I think your understanding of radar tilt needs some improvement. That almost all ground return.
@RWRPilotTraining6 күн бұрын
@@marklittle9913 Hi Mark, Thank you for your comment. If the radar you operate doesn’t have a vertical profile mode, and based on your comment I suspect it does not, you will need to paint less ground. In this case Archie Trammel recommends the outer quadrant painting ground return. The horizontal view shows the water alright, but FNGs have a harder time trusting it. The vertical profile is not sensitive to ground return and therefore paints rain more clearly. With over 10,000 hours flying with various PA46 radars I have learned the reliability of the vertical profile. It is the easiest way to see rain. Look through my play list of rain showers and thunderstorms and see if you don’t agree. Let me know your questions. I look forward to working with you. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@marklittle99136 күн бұрын
@@RWRPilotTraining I quit counting at 25k hours, and yes, we have a vertical profile mode. Archie was a smart dude, but he's been gone a long time and there have been significant advancements since his day. Raise that tilt and get away from from the ground clutter. Cheers.
@PghGameFix19 күн бұрын
The vid really didn't give any actual info for a transition, and what to expect. I've been looking for a true flying vid of the transition, and what do I need to say to the tower. also.... will ATC set me up on a long final like a normal approach? will they hand me to tower and expect me to enter the pattern like I was just a VFR flight? If that's the case.... why would the "Visual" be any different than me just canceling my IFR and contacting the tower? I've talked to so many people who are either fresh CFII's or fresh IR.... and they can't answer it either. (We don't train for the visual) I've had my IR for about a month now, and have only been asked if I wanted the visual once.... and since I didn't know what to expect, I just asked to stay with the ILS. The approach and tower at my local airport knows we are a training airport, and they won't get mad if I mess up.... but I would really like to see a start to finish approach to visual demonstration.
@RWRPilotTraining19 күн бұрын
Good question. The visual approach is still an instrument approach but done in VMC. The value is that you can get priority for the arrival and a modified base or straight in.. whatever is expeditious. This works best at a towered airport. Controllers and most pilots like visuals because it speeds things up for everybody. Go back and read what the FAA says about them. Visuals are easy and safe but you must have the airport in sight. Also consider the contact approach which requires 1 mile visibility and clear of clouds and reasonably certain to stay that way. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@PghGameFix18 күн бұрын
@@RWRPilotTraining Reading on the contact approach seams sketchy to me. I'm going out today and shooting some approaches at a local airport.... maybe I'll file, and ask for the visual when I get back to KJST.
@annareisen24 күн бұрын
Thanks for the explanations. I was a passenger several times on this. The Pilot showed some things. But in your video everything is explained in detail 👍
@RWRPilotTraining24 күн бұрын
Thank you! Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@MarkBrightman-w5m25 күн бұрын
Holding AT the fix seems straightforward with more then one way to accomplish this. What about if there is a distance from a fix that is designated as your holding point. I.e, hold east of the hurtz 090/25. If you want to use the 750/650 the only way I could see to define your holding fix was to create a user waypoint and then plug that into the flight plan and build your hold from there. Am I missing something??
@RWRPilotTraining24 күн бұрын
Hi Mark.. You might be right depending on what navigator you are operating. New versions like the 650/750 give the pilot the option to make a waypoint at the present position. You could also adjust the range of the map to put the needed distance on the arc, go to the OBS mode and select the inbound course. This might be faster.. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@jimallen8238Ай бұрын
Dick, is there a reason you kept reprimanding this student for talking himself through the procedures? Is this your general guidance or something specific to this student’s needs?
@RWRPilotTrainingАй бұрын
Hi Jim, Thank you for your question. This was not so much of a reprimand as it was a reminder. We had already discussed the idea that good listening means not talking to yourself in a busy traffic pattern. I believe this is a good habit to have. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@tannerfoustracingАй бұрын
As someone who is in the market for a meridian your videos are a great resource for some armchair flying! Thanks!
@RWRPilotTrainingАй бұрын
Thank you for the kind words. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@moacyrjetpilotАй бұрын
Hi Dick Rockfort! Watching your vids and they are so nice, so instructive! I got a question: I saw that You usually set Gear/Up, Flaps/Up during a go around sequence. Is this related to flap positions ‘cause what I do is to set Flaps/Up - or to lower angles - if flaps were set to landing positions, then +ROC, Gears/Up, Nav, A/P, FLC adjust, Flaps on schedule, Thrust: Climb, TO, MTO, whatever… My G/A sequence is to prevent a downdraft that might forces the plane back to ground, without L/G extended. Thanks for posting! Good Flights, good vibes! 🍾😉🇧🇷
@RWRPilotTrainingАй бұрын
Hi, thank you for your question. The most important aspect of the go-round is making a timely decision. A good decision made too soon is a bad decision. A good decision made too late is a bad decision. With this concept in mind, it will be important to understand the decision altitude, decide on how you’re going to assess the visibility, and and then decide at the proper moment to go or continue. If you decide to go, the process is the same as the takeoff. it is as follows: Pitch and power, positive rate of climb, gear up, flaps up, trim the aircraft engage the auto pilot. It’s important to make this decision in a timely fashion, so it’s not to be affected by wind shear. The POH should be considered. I welcome your comments. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@DanFrederiksen2 ай бұрын
I calculated that fuel burn to be 47gph at 264knots. what's the fuel burn and speed at max cruise? and what's economy cruise? thanks
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Hi Dan, the POH is pretty honest about fuel burn. I suspect it averages somewhere around 45 however, anything other than high-speed Kruse is not worthy of consideration in my view. Hope this information helps. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@DanFrederiksen2 ай бұрын
@@RWRPilotTraining was that at max sustainable power or just under? were you flying light? 2 people and 1000lbs of fuel
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
I don’t recall but you are probably correct since my flights are always training flights. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@abbieamavi2 ай бұрын
Simple and perfect, thank you!
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
You're welcome! Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@SrdjanArsic-bz7be2 ай бұрын
I like your videos, I am flying on C340 in Switzerland and mostly over Alps. I am using GWX 75 without option for ground supression and turbulance detection. I have problem to distinguish wether from ground over Alps.
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Mountains or not .. the vertical profile works the same. Look for asymmetry in the vertical profile at the top.. Here is an example.. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b52ihtOgss7RZZs.html Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@SrdjanArsic-bz7be2 ай бұрын
Which garmin wether radar are you using exactly , for tactical avoidance?
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
The Honeywell RDR2000 on the older aircraft and the Garmin equipment on the newer aircraft.. all are 10 inch antennas Garmin has more power but they all work the same with the vertical profile.. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@safaakn70432 ай бұрын
what is the tilt angle generaly for the descend ? how do you arange it ?
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Hi, Thank you for the question.. The descent angle depends on conditions .. anywhere from 1.5 degrees to 3 degrees. The G3000 equipped turboprop aircraft use degrees; the pistons use feet per minute.. 600-1200 FPM. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@davefernandez29892 ай бұрын
Dick, can you share a little more insight on placing the bug on the crosswind. Also wing tip aligned with runway.
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Hi Dave, certainly. The bug I am talking about is the magenta diamond on the CDI bezel. It sits at the top of the white dashed line. Those two items represent the ground track of the aircraft. My idea there is to use this information to parallel the runway. Putting the wing tip on the runway puts the aircraft on a downwind wider than slower airplanes, and gives the pilot a better view of the overall situation. It also allows for a wider turn consistent with a slightly higher airspeed in the pattern. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@carlrossi79892 ай бұрын
So nice of NEXRAD to have an outage in an area right along your route. And rather typical as well. On the West Coast there is an area like this in SE Oregon with no NEXRAD coverage, so perennially grayed out. More than one airplane has come to grief there trying to navigate around embedded convection without benefit of onboard radar. Did this M600 have the GWX-8000 upgrade? I have found that the auto mode in the GWX-8000 is incredible, it will easily and reliably paint cells 80-120 miles away. Not bad for a 10" antenna.
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Hi Carl, excellent points thank you for your comments. The outages of nexrad in the west don’t particularly concern me because they aren’t that large and anyone willing to pay attention to next. Read when they’re tactically avoiding rain. Showers and thunderstorms is taking huge risks. Radar is essential for these missions. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@blakebrothers2 ай бұрын
Great video Dick, thanks!
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Thank you! Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@neiltrimm2 ай бұрын
Dick, love your videos. Been watching them a long time. I also fly an M600 for work, along with Pilatus PC12. Assuming you were cleared for the approach, Instead of the "VS flick flick" habit, why not VNAV this approach down from DUCES? One less thing for the pilot to remember to have to do. Especially with the autothrottle...you can VNAV and set AT to 130 KIAS for icing speed and VO.
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your post. VNAV works well when the descent is planned advance. I like VS for last minute clearances because it can be done quickly. Both are great techniques. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@TonyDavis-pl2dj2 ай бұрын
What’s the flashing MSG icon? Invalid data path? Interested to know. I have that issue on my M600
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
It is a “known issue” with the GMA1 module. It doesn’t appear to affect any of the features or functions. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@jackgibson91252 ай бұрын
Could you not top the weather and go more direct?
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Thanks for your question. Yes, sometimes that is better. That strategy is contraindicated If the CIP/FIP in the vertical profile view in Foreflight shows anything more than light ice or if the service ceiling (FL280 without RVSM) is in the layer. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@jackgibson91252 ай бұрын
I enjoy all your videos and find them very educational!
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Hi Jack, Thank you for your note! Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@ewersm12 ай бұрын
Great tips, Dick. Thank you!
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
You are most welcome .. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@Sometungsten2 ай бұрын
I think the vis was worse for the audience because the camera was auto focusing on the rivulets on the windshield. Thanks for the vids!
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Yes.. and there was some confusion on my part as to which runway we were looking at because I could not see the larger parallel runway on the left and the synthetic vision was depicting the assigned right side as the larger of the two. I am curious about that. I had not seen that before. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@ewersm12 ай бұрын
Wow! Hope you two could see better than I could! Thanks, Dick. The on-board radar and Nexrad comparisons are very helpful!
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Yes.. it wasn’t as bad as it looks on the video. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@jmotazedi2 ай бұрын
Great tool. Makes life of a pilot simple
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Thanks John .. I concur! Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@SamuelAscher2 ай бұрын
Hi there Dick, I was told that a 6:3 inch man would struggle to be comfortable in a M600. Do you have any thoughts?
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
I have customers in the 6-3 - 6-4 range and they seem to do just fine. I recommend you stop by the Piper dealer and see for yourself. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@andresn14332 ай бұрын
Hello Dick, any idea how the M700 does such magic of having a much shorter landing distance than the M600 ?
@RWRPilotTraining2 ай бұрын
Hi Andre, I have no engineering information. I suspect the larger engine produces more reverse thrust. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@weshudson45913 ай бұрын
Awesome! Learned something new
@RWRPilotTraining3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@blakebrothers4 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks Dick!
@RWRPilotTraining4 ай бұрын
You are most welcome .. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@dane595894 ай бұрын
Good stuff, Dick. This is my go-to view for a final go/no-go decision. For an icing/turbulence outlook that goes beyond the 15 hours presented in ForeFlight, Windy has icing and turbulence forecasts based off Euro and GFS out 10 days or so. I imagine these visualizations are built of the forecast soundings, and, of course, the likelihood of a forecast validating goes down a ton after 24 hours or so. It may be only the paid version of windy, but I find that small subscription to be very much worth it.
@RWRPilotTraining4 ай бұрын
Yes indeed. Pilots need a way to see potential threats clearly and quickly. The Foreflight profile CIP/FIP-Turbulence view is conservative and it is the best I know of in this regard.. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@carlrossi79894 ай бұрын
Great video as always. And particularly relevant for me as we were also at BFI yesterday in our M350 and we delayed our departure for Eugene until around 330 pm not because of ice but because of the CB’s over and south of the airport. Despite the CIP and the turbulence forecast the flight was smooth at FL190 with no ice on departure and only light ice descending into EUG. The forecasting tools are good but another important element yesterday were the PIREPS which were all for light ice at the most along our route. Profile view in FF is good but you also get an expanded view of the same in the “Vertical Cross Section” tab under briefings, no time slider but sometimes easier to view than the flight plan profile. Lastly I’m curious to know what your experience has been with negotiating a non-standard departure with ATC around a busy Class B like SEA, yesterday they would have given you the NRVNA1 departure from BFI, heading SE, and with all the air carrier flow I suspect it would have been very difficult to try and negotiate a climb to the NW while on an IFR flight plan, unless I was absolutely sure I could get that request granted, in my experience trying to do against the flow stuff rarely if ever works…and I second the previous commenter’s opinion about Windy, yet another very useful program.
@RWRPilotTraining4 ай бұрын
Yes indeed! I always file for what I want and have firmly in mind the things I will accept. We did get the published departure as expected. The purpose of filing the route to the Northwest was to identify the route most likely to be ice free. Pireps are always helpful unless there are no pireps. The decision to depart is then based on all available information. It is important to remember that a report of light ice by a B737 defines an area to be avoided by boot equipped aircraft. We made the departure the next day as the weather began to improve. The CIP/FIP tends to be very conservative but my rule remains .. never more than light on the CIP/FIP. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@dkeyyablo114 ай бұрын
If you are going to hold over Hurtz, why don’t you just modify the holding pattern instead of doing all of this😊
@RWRPilotTraining4 ай бұрын
Good point. It’s also true that all pilots should know always enter the whole manual and with various methods using the box. Thanks for the comment. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@jonathanalphafoxtrot82225 ай бұрын
Dick, on the NXI. After you hit the togo button, do you have to hit the susp button to get the published hold to show up armed? Or will it do it on its own?
@RWRPilotTraining5 ай бұрын
Hi Jonathan, The pilot must select the “SUSP’ context sensitive key. This helps prevent inadvertently flying the published MAP procedure when possibly an alternate procedure has been assigned. You can probably see from my video that there is plenty of time to accomplish this once you have your priorities in order.. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@jonathanalphafoxtrot82225 ай бұрын
At what point does the SUSP key show up on the PFD? Is it best procedure to come down to Minimums. Verify no field, hit TOGO, then NAV, then SUSP? Obviously with pitch up and clean up inside there.
@RWRPilotTraining5 ай бұрын
After you overfly the MAP.. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@sixwillwin5 ай бұрын
Don’t ever let your students do anything themselves? Looks like you’re doing everything for them. That won’t be good for them when they get turned loose.
@RWRPilotTraining5 ай бұрын
Thank you. You are correct. It is also true that we have to start somewhere. This is one of many examples of using the “explain show do iterate” method. This takes longer and it produces excellent long term results. By the end of the 7 day program this pilot owned it like a boss. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@user-kl8gx4gx8y5 ай бұрын
looks very familiar! I miss the girl....
@RWRPilotTraining5 ай бұрын
Yes indeed.. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR
@MattMorris4815 ай бұрын
This guy has forgot more about the PA-46 than all the piper salesmen everywhere probably rivals Bill Cox that ferried them all over the world.
@RWRPilotTraining5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words. When I was preparing for my first North Atlantic crossing I read and studied everything I could find, then I called Bill Cox. He graciously took my call and answered all of my questions. He is a good man. The Piper salesmen are very knowledgeable as well. They are all on my “go to” list. Fly Safely - Train Often .. DR