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thank you for the comment. i made this video more as a way to spark discussion rather then a full-fledged analysis. although my intentions were to initially create a video discussing some nitpicks about i game i really enjoyed and reflecting on how it affects my views on the game as a whole, i feel like the video devolved more into a rant where i made a lot of points that i didn’t elaborate on. i like keeping my videos short and to the point but when making this video i realised that i don’t give myself nearly enough time to express my thoughts and provide ample reasoning. in the future i’m hoping to improve on that. in the end, everything i said was strictly my view on different events in the game and because i made the video, i got to hear so many different perspectives from other people about how they view the game. so i feel like i achieved my goal with it (even though i might’ve lacked transparency with my takes). anyway 3. I made the statement that Morgana embodies the issues I have with Persona 5 for a couple of reasons. To be more specific, I was talking about the writing side of the game. To me, Persona 5 is a game that really struggles with pacing and subtlety in its messages. I talked about this a little in the video but the game leaves little room for interpretation partly due to the constant monologues villains go through or Morgana’s remarks where he reiterates what somebody says and explains exactly what they mean. I’m not saying this is objectively an issue, I’m saying I didn’t enjoy that part of his character. I’m aware that it isn’t an issue solely with Persona 5, but I feel like it’s much more glaring here then in prior games. In a lot of cases, Morgana’s explanations of the villains intentions feel even more forced than Teddie’s remarks about things. It just got annoying to me hearing Morgana explain every single detail of what’s going on to the Phantom Thieves and that could just be an issue I alone have with his character. (Nitpicks) 1. I personally enjoyed Persona 4’s pacing a lot more. I will note that I’ve only played the game once and my take on the pacing of Persona 5 could just be burnout (not sure that’s the word I’m looking for but I hope it gets my point across.) 2. Don’t mean to repeat myself, but I was talking about how unsubtle Persona 5 is with conveying its message. Not saying prior Persona games are masterclasses in nuance and subtlety because they’re not, modern Persona games aren’t subtle (at least with their main messages) but it felt like Persona 5 left no room for discussion with its main story. Maybe it’s because Yaldabaoth, in my opinion, is a terrible villain (which is something I wish I dived into in the video and would’ve loved to if I had more time). I just feel like the constant monologues of Persona are extra sucky here. 3. Just reiterating my statement about characters not feeling fleshed out. Like they have really interesting topics that they barely go over in the Social Links. To too dissimilar to how Persona 3’s social links feel but definitely not as bad. 4. By design flaws, I meant the gameplay as discussed earlier in the video. I love the character designs!! but you’re completely correct in saying that my video didn’t provide examples supporting my statements. that was my mistake for self-imposing rules to keep my videos consistent. in the end it just made the quality worse and like i said, im hoping to improve on that.

@@faiwyfloss nah man. that actually good when you actually say more on it. though kinda little bit mud that it didn't get to the video. but I like that you still answer me 👍👍 talk about that. I would've check your other video tho. so I could understand this channel more... ot maybe just watching/listening some memetic content lol.

Yeah, I completely agree that I’m doing a little disservice to his character not discussing the things he says in the later confidant ranks. But I didn’t notice much change with his character outside of that. That’s probably me being oblivious tho. I would’ve loved to go more into depth and provide more evidence and reasoning for what I said but I didn’t want the video to be too long. Definitely something I’m looking to improve on in the future.

@@faiwyfloss Not every event will flip a person's personality on their head, y'know? Morgana is still Morgana, ego or not. I do think that there's a lot more realism to how Morgana is as a character but there's only so much P5 can do character wise compared to P3 and P4.

@@AhsokaSnipz ohh interesting. could u elaborate on that last statement? i’m just curious is all

@@faiwyfloss I should clarify, I often elect P5 to he the worst character wise in the series. The main reason being that the natural disaster in 2011 really fucked up their plans for the game, meaning they had to rely on the old stuff and make new stuff with their ideal deadline closing in. This leads to a lot of characters and ideas just being left as threads rather than expanded upon. If you analyze P5, the game's cohesion starts to fall apart during Madarame's arc and only start to link together again after Joker escapes interrogation. A lot of the stuff between feels like filler and comes across as just stuff to do that fills out the party. Not to say I don't think the game should have downtime, but it leads to a lot of the non-party Social Links (and let's face it, even some of them) to feel like they're either rushed or completely forgettable. How many people do Ohya (Devil) or Toranosuke (Sun)'s SLs? They're easy to forget about and yield useless benefits. If I were to ask you right now how many things you could tell me about Ohya aside from that she's a drinker and a reporter, chances are there ain't shit there. And that's how a lot of P5's characters feel like, there's nothing really there. Outside of the party there's maybe 3 characters to talk to that do jack shit in the story and are memorable. Now don't get me wrong, I do _like_ sone of the P5 cast but there's more mid than good, that's what I mean.

Righhttt that makes a lot of sense. I would've loved for there to be a scene showing Morgana's development (like a conversation with him and Ryuji) especially since Morgana's social link was tied to the story but I completely understand the limitations and situation.

YEAHHH definitely an underappreciated part of the game

I really love the way the characters mold around the story events and are constantly changing. The characters feel way more true to their traits. But you're so right about the social links😭😭

yeahhh 100%, would add so much more replay value

Thank you!! I’m definitely planning on doing videos on both those games in the near future 😊😊

YES!! The Theurgy attacks are awesome, I’m always finding myself saving them just for the bosses and being much more careful with how I approach fights. I’m glad it seems they’re going in the right direction with the balancing

"Comically easy" plays the game on new game plus with 100% compendium and 999 on all personas lmao play it fresh without any dlc personas and see if it's Comically easy

Your takes on this are really great, I think you make great points about the comparisons of the two games and I completely agree that I’m being pretty nitpicky with the comparison I made with Persona 5 and 4. I really enjoyed the way Persona 4 was paced, the tone of the game and the way it’s message was conveyed but that’s just my personal preference. It’s been a while since I’ve played it so I’m thinking of playing through it again soon and maybe my thoughts will be completely different. I feel like Persona 3 does a really great job with making characters develop and change throughout the story but I feel that was more because of the limitations rather then a choice the team made. But I really think that they could find a way to implement that idea in future Persona games along with keeping the social links a high standard to make the characters feel more fleshed out. I think both Persona 4 and 5 struggle with the way their character development is executed and limited. Point is, you made some good points and I’m glad you got to share your thoughts here. PS: I also hate Teddie :)

@@faiwyfloss absolutely agree with your p3 take, p5 is my favorite of the bunch but p3 has my favorite cast and story in the series, the moral of the story is that everything is subjective I may not like overabundance of slice of life scenes in p4 and prefer a more realistic approach like p3 but that doesn't mean that I dislike it. The beauty of this games is they are completely different from each so every opinion is correct

@@faiwyfloss how in the fuck is 4 lighthearted?

@@dongxxYour music taste is terrible ding dong

@@ericshoon5694 that's so cute

Yeah, I thought it was kind of jarring bouncing from the Social Links and the Link Stories (or whatever they’re called) in Reload. Because they decided to leave the Social Links relatively unchanged, you can tell how much better the writing has gotten at least with those parts of the game. And the hanging out with characters multiple times to unlock them thing in Persona 3 is really awesome, I’m glad you pointed that out. Also the lack of confidant abilities does suck yeah😭😭but I guess they didn’t really want to risk messing up the implementation, I have high hopes for it returning in Persona 6. You make some great points there and it was nice hearing your perspective, especially with the difficulty. I’ve never really thought of it like that.

ohhh yeah ive heard about that but never really checked it out. ill be sure to look around for it because it sounds really interesting and will probably help give more insight to the villains👍

i agree!! i dont think there are any games that are flawless, persona 5 is still one of my favourite games of all time and i think its a game that deserves its praise and popularity.

That’s persona 5 for ya lol..

LITERALLY!!

Agreed. He’s the collective hope of humanity, no wonder he acts like a kid. Everyone hopes the younger generation has the solution.

We can have young characters without them being insufferable, Ken exists. And no they don’t get a pass for being non human either.

I think of a 9 year old with the bravado of one of 12

All the times when he forces Joker to go to bed, for entire weeks ingame have soured me on the character.

you genuinely without a shadow of a doubt think the way morgana left was written flawlessly? really? i dont see the reasons why he left as an issue, but it definitely couldve been portrayed way better

@@Sogudu not flawless just makes complete sense and is definitely not a big enough issue to be in a video on the actual issues of the game.

@IHitTheWater i disagree. it makes sense why he left with all his insecurities and lack of identity and all that, but i dont think the game has done enough to emphasize that. some sighs with a sad face foreshadowing something every now and then isnt really good enough for such a major story component. and for him to have what ryuji said be one of the last straws is ridiculous to me at least, since he insults ryuji throughout the entire game. again, it makes sense why he left, but there was SO much left to be desired in the portrayal of why. and i dont think pointing that out, along with how morgana can be a bit of a douche, discredits this very well put together video

i agree that morgana leaving isn’t inherently an issue, it’s a great way to put the group through a realistic internal struggle. i just think the execution is awful. it feels like the game is trying to make you feel bad for morgana even though he’d been making ryujis life hell for the majority of the game. it also feels weird making ryuji apologise to morgana and not having both apologise to eachother (until the thieves den apology which many probably wont see). also morgana taking the piss out of ryuji after the apology is 💀💀 i do appreciate your insight though and understand where you’re coming from. i feel like that the morgana-ryuji relationship is a very important point in the game and it sucks that in my opinion its probably the worst part of this game writing-wise but thats my opinion and i can understand your views on it too👍👍 these kind of discussions are really interesting to me

@@IHitTheWater It doesn't make any sense why Morgan left like you said they are constantly bickering the better way would have been Morgana leaving because of futaba which literally replaced him

mmm the first playthrough of persona is life-changing, i remember wasting away playing it all day for like 2 weeks straight💀💀

NAHH dont get me started on the lavenza fight😭😭😭😭

@@faiwyfloss Making a bossfight totally RNG was a bad decision from atlus

@@rtsvoidWhich part of the Lavenza fight was RNG? The Crit phase? It's possible to fail that phase due to bad luck but it's extremely unlikely if you're using good setups. Max crit rate is 67% and you only need one each turn, so you need to fail 4 consecutive chances at it, with 3 team members probably at the crit rate cap if using Sumire Swords Dance, Haru OSK, any third. Failing that many 67% chance rolls in a row is possible, but I've not seen it happen in any of my runs. It is a gamble if you're attempting the fight solo, but that's not what the fight was designed for you to do.

@@TeamSima Yup, Crit phase on Normal is very hard. When I tried it on Merciless, I had no trouble btw

Morgana apologizes in his 8 & 9 confidants.

This is a really great comment!! I appreciate your insight and the way you presented it, very easy to understand aswell :)

@@IHitTheWater I guess to clarify; Morgana nor Ryuji properly apologizes for their behavior in their argument within the main story. Ryuji specifically only does so in the Thieves Den, yet Morgana doesn’t even acknowledge it in said exchange (“Why are you apologizing? Do you have a fever?” is what Morgana specifically says. You can get this exchange by placing Necronimicon on display and waiting until Ryuji, Morgana, and Haru are surrounding it.) Morgana’s apology only extends to the Rank 8’s “I’m sorry I worried you guys” dialogue line, which relates to the issue the Thieves and him had in the Okumura Arc but never directly addresses the argument he had with Ryuji, but do correct me if I’m wrong with a specific main story segment just in case I missed it

@@wildcaffeine8906 They both apologize...Ryuji more so to the player though alone.

@@jaydenc367 Ryuji I understand, but I do want to ask, where in the story does Morgana apologize for his actions during the argument he had with Ryuji?

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i agree!!

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