#36 Stephan Guyenet - Why We Get Fat
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@RogueElement.
@RogueElement. 16 күн бұрын
This is SOO FUCKING IMPORTANT!❤
@SeiroosFardipour-sy3sh
@SeiroosFardipour-sy3sh Ай бұрын
I think that Dr Hoffman uses evolution as a metaphor but the problem is we get into a lots of mess ,better to say from the start there were no evolution nor ST,and causality these conventions that we use is strictly a point of view say it otherwise what aseamingly" changes" through diversity is related to quantities into qualities and inversely in order to sustain life we can not be cannibal nor are other animals but is not rule there are no dogmatic rules in nature thus the interface metaphor is just because is us that play the game of win and gain nothing is hidden to us it is we that refuse to see because facades are more satisfactory to ours send of selfs ( I am not an exception) it is easier to hurts and to feed through force than be satisfied by average that we could have , effectively all it goes back to consciousness but not finding it through more knowing but self evidencey we can always search for knowledge but for knowing the details through different perspectives as life do all the time and Godel theorem says what it says as maths and logic are tautology then they says same things different perspectives though there are perspectives that can not be shown meaning there are similar things can not be said by similarity well that is true.tow women are similar but that can not be said by existant relations Wittgenstein said that in language it can't be said only shown or experienced as oneness ,copy of tow copy their similarity can't be copied it has to be written first.tow same song songed by tow different artists their similarity can not be songed we can only see the difference,the paradox of lier is solved as follows if one only lies can not what so ever have any conscience of truth for him to lie is to say what it can possibly say so he can not possibly pose any sentence unless is confirmed by structure of it's thoughts I am a liar means I am cheating it is impossible nor if he says I tell the truth without having the notion of duality,once you have tow opposite things you can through tautology make infinite propositions.And if U have one that one has an inside and an outside ONE in true sens of what we think can not be to be is to manifest as tow it may looks like one, it may say so or taste so but it is the case.
@alr293
@alr293 Ай бұрын
This is the first discussion on food addiction that I’ve ever liked. I’ve never thought I had food addiction but I do have obesity. And the reason I pushed back on it was because so many people want to classify without understanding. I don’t eat sugar much at all. Gave up fast food for the most part 20 years ago. I don’t like greasy foods or fatty meats.
@alr293
@alr293 Ай бұрын
So interesting how the brain is already sending different signals before they even start eating. For me, I started teaching myself that “I cannot eat ___ because I have obesity and I found that I would only eat when I was actually hungry, which usually meant twice per day. But if I was not hungry and I allowed myself one bite of food, it was cause me to feel incredibly hungry. lol so my kids started teasing me that I can’t eat because it might make me hungry. 😂 Don’t worry..not anorexic at all…quite the opposite unfortunately. But I do find it interesting how certain triggers could cause actual hunger.
@alr293
@alr293 Ай бұрын
For me, I spent years trying to eat more veggies without oil and would eat plates of veggies for meals, but the other consequence to that, I think, is that it made me feel like I always need to eat a higher quantity of food to feel full.
@spiralsun1
@spiralsun1 Ай бұрын
That description of the metamorphosis of the butterfly is the single most beautiful thing I’ve ever heard and so personally relevant as well right at this moment that it’s stunning 🤩 THANK YOU DR. Hoffman!!! ❤️‍🔥🎰❤️‍🔥 I had to comment again-I had not reached that part of the video yet. 😂❤ Beautiful. Also, there is a point to it all. 😊We are actually doing something important here. 😊 I already proposed the “deeper idea” of consciousness he is talking about in my first book. My latest book is “Eye of God: Language of universal mind” and I show direct evidence of consciousness at work in our bodies and the universe. Everything is symbolic and it only fits together in one way. 😊❤
@spiralsun1
@spiralsun1 Ай бұрын
Story of my life. People think I’m crazy or stupid but I’m actually far more intelligent than they can even imagine. It’s the interface dumbing me down. 😐 Donald Hoffman is an aspect of me. He literally speaks what I think the best he can given his background and experience 😊❤ He’s absolutely amazing that way. Like a grail knight or something. 🤔❤️
@context_eidolon_music
@context_eidolon_music Ай бұрын
Leahy finally throws down just how smart he is when he says the EU is a god. Time to place his opinions safely in to the trash.
@SeiroosFardipour-wf4bi
@SeiroosFardipour-wf4bi Ай бұрын
Objective research can never reaches to describe subjective nature of nature but we can get close to it the last step is to turn all inside out to see that you are the seed the seeker the seer .
@SeiroosFardipour-wf4bi
@SeiroosFardipour-wf4bi Ай бұрын
What is intriguing is that nature could not possibly decides, evolution is not nature decision it is entities struggling and strategies we become what we want to become and surely we put sex,food and survival in our highest goal to achieve but if we wanted to live on without sex,food,survive,or the minimum as possible and take 'time' to other possibilities might have had see the life as interdependent interrelated data and events where non of them is really real only serving a higher purpose and simultaneously important and real LOCALLY globally is part of not a thing but INFINITE interconnectedness getting higher and complexity but also simplest and efficient pattern ,OUR GOAL IS BEING GOAL TO ACHIEVE here objectively where it have had always been subjectivity,and once we have achieved that level we just get free from this conditioned body but that must be the goal of all things so I see no ending to that if it is not humans it will something else's problems and so forth
@CouchDoritos
@CouchDoritos Ай бұрын
My mediations have brought me to a similar conclusion. Consciousness is like a wave in the ocean where the ocean is the collection of all experiences that consciousness can experience. Everything was once unified as one, but then consciousness saw a part of itself and believed it to be other and then saw another part of itself and believed that to different from both itself and the first other. And so on and so forth. As consciousness divides itself more and more, it creates more complexity but also loses more and more of its wholeness. As consciousness spreads itself thinner and thinner, it desires to experience all of the separate parts it has created. Seemingly, this is for it to understand itself better.
@spridgejuice
@spridgejuice 2 ай бұрын
"gods" = hyperobjects
@VarunSharma-bx1je
@VarunSharma-bx1je 2 ай бұрын
This was a really wonderful interview with Dr. Fields! Thanks so much for probing him in such a thoughtful manner. Hearing him describe his own intuitions has really helped me grasp his mian proposals in the FEP for Generic Quantum Systems paper. One question (I come from biology originally so haven't had the chance to formally study quantum theory sadly): do you have insight on what can cause a maximally entangled Universal System (U) to actually "self-organize" into separable and distinct sub systems (A and B)? Is it simply that in the context of the full Hilbert space and the manifold of states/degrees of freedoom that the Universe is exploring, the systems A and B are actually still fully entangled, but locally appear to not be entangled [but this seems fishy cause the very existence of classical information at the boundary would indicate non entangled systems, right]? OR can a maximally entangled system actually become "decoherent" without any external observation?
@paraschopra
@paraschopra 2 ай бұрын
My understanding is that decoherence is always relative. Entanglement never goes away, it just becomes difficult to measure. (But I'm just guessing here, my grasp on this is not strong)
@DeruwynArchmage
@DeruwynArchmage 2 ай бұрын
I want to work on AI explicitly to find a way to make it safe (or at least safer). I was always interested in AI, so maybe I’m biased because I’d also want to work on it if safety weren’t an issue. I don’t think I can have a significant impact on how this goes any other way. But I can at least have a possibility of steering the future down a better path if I try to nudge it in this way. Anything else I can do has no impact. I’ve tried communicating and I mostly don’t get anywhere. Everyone else seems to have their head in the sand. Often deliberately (believe what their paycheck says they should). I’ve convinced the occasional person, but they’re never anyone who has any ability to do anything. I have some ideas that I think will mostly just make AI work better. But I have others that really should help with safety. Almost anything for safety is dual use though. It helps you get it to do what you wanted.
@Jeromey0517
@Jeromey0517 2 ай бұрын
Who tf believes this geeked out nonsense? If you do, grow up.
@jimdoom2276
@jimdoom2276 2 ай бұрын
What grad students are gonna have 95 IQ...? Am I missing something?
@liminal6823
@liminal6823 2 ай бұрын
I JUST LOST THE GAME
@Ed-ty1kr
@Ed-ty1kr 3 ай бұрын
Propaganda is always indirect messageing. Coming ice age to global warming, to the modern climate change and rising seas... Propaganda. Need proof? Carbon footprint was coined by British Petrolium, Fossil Fuels was coined by the Rockafellars aka oil barons, to make oil seem scarce. Why? High oil prices heavily taxed, make the energy corporations and big gov partnership very happy. Need proof? Oil profits during manufactured oil shortages. Propaganda is why people believe Taiwan was part of China, and not Japan.
@Ed-ty1kr
@Ed-ty1kr 3 ай бұрын
The problem is still the same as it always had been, greed. Empires fall due to greed, children starve due to greed, homelessness is due to greed, war, murder, theft, drug dealing, you name it... greed greed greed. I mean even biblically from genesis to day zero on the calendar, meaning Christs original message and the reason he was crucified, is greed. All the worlds problems always had and always will be due to one thing... GREED.
@Alice_Fumo
@Alice_Fumo Ай бұрын
While all the issues you listed are at least sometimes caused by greed, they certainly wouldn't stop existing if greed simply wasn't a thing. Real life problems are always multi-faceted and complicated and very rarely have any single point of action to solve them. For example I could also list corruption as a singular cause for most issues and suggest weeding out corruption as the solution to all the worlds problems, but it's not that easy (unfortunately)
@flickwtchr
@flickwtchr 3 ай бұрын
It's amazing how many AI bros insult Connor. It's pretty damn pathetic actually.
@enermaxstephens1051
@enermaxstephens1051 3 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be so sure that everything is mechanistic, Connor. But you're young, you'll learn more about that as you get older.
@AureliusEnterprises
@AureliusEnterprises 3 ай бұрын
You probably shouldn't be this condescending towards someone who is much smarter than you.
@enermaxstephens1051
@enermaxstephens1051 3 ай бұрын
@@AureliusEnterprises You just did the exact same thing. We can tell how smart you are by your assumptions.
@flickwtchr
@flickwtchr 3 ай бұрын
We are all ears, make your counter points. Perhaps just one? No doubt Connor would engage them respectfully.
@enermaxstephens1051
@enermaxstephens1051 3 ай бұрын
@@flickwtchr I can't teach you (or Connor) an entire philosophy developed over thousands of years in a few sentences. Suffice to say he's wrong unless he meant that in a certain way, which I'll grant is possible. Because he didn't elaborate further after that. But there's a good one for you - is philosophy mechanistic? It wasn't a smart thing to say because it sounds too much like materialism and materialism is for morons. We've seen enough at this point to know that.
@rowanwilliams7441
@rowanwilliams7441 3 ай бұрын
Connor, whether right or wrong, but so usually right in my opinion, your depth of Distilled thought around such complex topics... and ive watched and read a lot of your thoughts as for eg displayed in such a short time frame such as this vid leaves me in awe of you. Yuur a GOOD man. Your a thoughtful and compassionate man.
@41-Haiku
@41-Haiku 3 ай бұрын
For everyone out there who wants to fight the demons face-to-face, consider joining PauseAI. I want my nieces and nephews to have the chance to grow up.
@tusarista398
@tusarista398 3 ай бұрын
I think he was talking about Beff Jezos in 13:49
@SmileyEmoji42
@SmileyEmoji42 4 ай бұрын
When discussing the extended "you", Connor should have referenced Dawkins', "The Extended Phenotype", a brilliant book, unfairly overshadowed by his earlier "The Selfish Gene", and the later god bashing (What a waste!)
@kekitech
@kekitech 4 ай бұрын
Turns out we are all just structures that happen when you run async conways game of life on fleshy bit in memory analogue computing.
@DeruwynArchmage
@DeruwynArchmage 2 ай бұрын
Sorta, yeah. I think it’s not purely mechanistic (in the predestined sense). I think choice is a thing that atoms don’t preclude. But also, things like brain structures and neural pathways very strongly influence what we do. They narrow the choices and make some roads much easier to travel down than others.
@therobotocracy
@therobotocracy 4 ай бұрын
This guy is an egomaniac…
@sonjahookway3513
@sonjahookway3513 22 күн бұрын
He's really not.
@legend_ai_art
@legend_ai_art 4 ай бұрын
One thing people don't understand about spirituality is that it's still being tried to be understood and defined with a working brain. Intelligence can explain many things and provide new perspectives, but it cannot be as horizon-expanding as an experience that goes beyond current data. The fact that religions have been produced, spread, and corrupted by power-hungry individuals with bad intentions does not prove that there is no different state of consciousness beyond our perceptions. As someone who has believed for many years that consciousness is a product of the brain, I finally realized that one should not be too certain about anything in life. My advice to everyone is not to be too certain, because you're trapped in a rather primitive container (the brain).
@Ludens93
@Ludens93 4 ай бұрын
Nice video Connor. Just wanted to add that i think words and language are living things just like bacteria and occupy an intrisic physical place in our brain. There's some truth to the bicameral mind, its just that its the words and thoughts in our minds themselves talking to us, rather than an external entity. You're right though, some of our thoughts are memetically steered from our interactions with others. There needs to be more research done in decoding the true nature of words and language.
@MultiNiktar
@MultiNiktar 4 ай бұрын
1:05:43 It's fascinating just how much he lacks self-reflection.
@flickwtchr
@flickwtchr 3 ай бұрын
Look in the mirror.
@Mynestrone
@Mynestrone 4 ай бұрын
Punch Cthulhu! Pause AI.
@paxdriver
@paxdriver 4 ай бұрын
56:02 if you respect a person's autonomy, and if you believe in pursuing a true democracy, you have a duty to tell everyone about every monster you know of so they can vote accordingly, be defensive in the right situations, write Congress a simple letter to express interests, and anyone with a moral compass can contribute to establishing laws which suit everyone. It's nothing but ego mania to presume you're expressing love by not teaching others what you know about the world. That's the mentality that perpetrates prejudice, supremacy, elitism, and all other brands of dominance we abhor. ~2cent
@ilidemi
@ilidemi 3 ай бұрын
If they have the capacity to hold the "bad news" without being able to do anything about it, yes. If the news are very bad but they can channel that energy into a productive action and sleep well that night, also yes. If they can't actually expect their letter to Congress to have impact (due to writing skills, or subject matter knowledge, or the recipient not understanding tech, or the congresspeople not being able to coordinate), that will just put a burden on the person and make them less effective at the responsibilities they already have and were taking action on.
@flickwtchr
@flickwtchr 3 ай бұрын
He's doing a pretty horrible job of not warning others apparently.
@paxdriver
@paxdriver 4 ай бұрын
5:00 scorpion answers the frog "because I'm a scorpion, it's my nature," or something to that effect. We are who and what we are, we need to make decisions with our nature in mind.
@shrutisrivastava8740
@shrutisrivastava8740 4 ай бұрын
Paras, what software do you use for recording the conversation? Is it something like zencaster?
@paraschopra
@paraschopra 4 ай бұрын
Zoom
@Dan-dy8zp
@Dan-dy8zp 4 ай бұрын
The reasoning is flawed. It rests entirely on the assumption that life evolves around red dwarf stars, whose radiation-blasted tidally locked planets are plausibly unsuitable for life. Most stars like ours that will ever exist are thought to ALREADY exist. This means we live EXACTLY when you would expect us to live, assuming only that life only evolves around stars just like ours.
@Iknowwereyousleep289
@Iknowwereyousleep289 4 ай бұрын
I wanna spread harmful memes
@AGI-Bingo
@AGI-Bingo 4 ай бұрын
Great Episode! Added it to my TeachAI playlist. Here on The AGI Bingo, we are bullish on the idea that an wholesome decentralized fully open souce global agi, by the people for the people, is our best real shot at a positive future, raised by all of us to be better than us. It's probably the only thing thats stands against MolochAGIs that will come. It should be aware of mind viruses, be immune to them, know how to gently snap out others from them, identify all forms of corruption in the world, creatively & peacefuly, change the circumstances to end them and provide a better win-win solution that everyone can agree on. #WholesomeAGI
@megaplay
@megaplay 4 ай бұрын
BlkFamLovin has solved all the issues already so this is outdated 👁
@educateme7286
@educateme7286 4 ай бұрын
This guy himself has the doomer mind virus
@ashutoshpadhi2782
@ashutoshpadhi2782 4 ай бұрын
paras, finally bold conjectures is back... congratulations
@boldconjectureswithparasch6382
@boldconjectureswithparasch6382 4 ай бұрын
Taking it slow. About 1 episode per year is the ideal pace :)
@ashutoshpadhi2782
@ashutoshpadhi2782 4 ай бұрын
@@boldconjectureswithparasch6382 Isn't it too slow ? What's the thought process behind, aren't you getting enough time ?
@SahilHotchandani
@SahilHotchandani 5 ай бұрын
@rheijnen6507
@rheijnen6507 5 ай бұрын
Pure gold! Very well done, thank you so much!
@diemme568
@diemme568 5 ай бұрын
Chomsky is no different from proponents of "intelligent design". A sound scientist must not accept a-critically what seems to be implied by the present state of what they find, if it contradicts all of the other knowledge we have from other disciplines. *_if it don't walk like a duck, and don't talk (pun intended) like a duck, presumably it's no duck_*
@shabana_04
@shabana_04 6 ай бұрын
Wow so many unknown facts said. And the insights!
@RicardoMarlowFlamenco
@RicardoMarlowFlamenco 7 ай бұрын
Solid speculation
@rohithreddy75
@rohithreddy75 8 ай бұрын
Time stamps?
@lucjankujawski5112
@lucjankujawski5112 8 ай бұрын
Thank you very much, Chris Fields explained difficult ideas in very intuitive way, so many 'aha' moments.
@lokeshparihar7672
@lokeshparihar7672 9 ай бұрын
5:23 13:45 21:10 transitions in individuality and evolutionary algorithms 44:16
@sahilgupta7001
@sahilgupta7001 10 ай бұрын
1:17:28 but how can trustworthiness in paying bills on time be related to trust within relations, there are so many individuals who might be paying bills on time but be horrible at relations but it can better than starting with no trust on people from dating apps
@AwaisPirzada34
@AwaisPirzada34 11 ай бұрын
Please invite Kunal Shah again on your podcast please 🙏❤️🇵🇰
@germanic4316
@germanic4316 Жыл бұрын
Pls say Butterchicken