@@garytaylor3971 it's ok if you have to come up and out from the bottom of the skimmer, what you are referring to as a trap arrangement If you trench low enough you could just come straight out but it's not necessary Your return lines should be as level as possible coming through the wall of the pool Hope this is helpful

@@UltimatePoolGuy Hello Mike, the 'trap' is what you would call a 'plumbers loop' I believe. All clear though and thanks for the quick reply which was much appreciated. Best regards. Gary

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When you're doing maintenance on your filter Just keep the plumbing simple run it straight from the skimmer So you can get it straight shot of water before and after Once your service is complete you can start turning your solar panels back on and stuff like that For example if you leave the valve and open for your solar panels you could end up with some clean or dirty DE circulating through that plumbing that may or may not be undesirable Just run it straight from the skimmer bust your filter do your service put it all back together and then do whatever you want after that Hope this helps

@@UltimatePoolGuy ok. Got it. Thank you!

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@@UltimatePoolGuy You're very welcome I found this thread to be extremely interesting. I am basically pretty scientific and while many of the arguments posted here are interesting I still just find it difficult to believe that when the pump reports using less wattage that that in fact doesn't translate into cost savings. It just seems so obvious that if the pump is reporting it's wattage usage at a much lower rate it has to be less expensive. Great channel and thanks for raising the subject it was very intriguing and interesting to read other people's positions regarding these pumps.

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If running a single speed pump for 6-8 hours a day cost more to operate than a variable speed pump, the single speed pump is larger than needed. Everybody pops off with that "power consumption is proportional to the cube of the speed" thing. But the real problem is the "head drops off by the square of the speed". So, running at half speed causes a 75% drop in the pressure, and the pump is no longer able to do the job required. Extended life span is also not true. The old dumb pumps with no computerized electronics will last longer, as there is not computerized electronics to fail. Rebates and Incentives are just as smart a government idea as having an open border. They want you to think they are helping, when they are really stabbing you in the back at the same time. Rebates and incentives are the only way variable speed pumps are viable, just like wind generators. Anything the government is incentivizing is more than likely a bad thing.

@@dab7963 There is a reason Watts show up on the screen but not the pressure. If you are scientific enough you should be able to understand the basic Brake Horsepower equation. [BHP] = {[Q] * [TDH] * [S.G.]} / {3960 * [Eff] TDH is a very important part that variable speed pump salespeople try to gloss over because so much is lost with a reduction in speed.

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@@UltimatePoolGuy I've installed about 2500 Vs pumps and have energy audited about 1000 of them pumping the same amount of water in many cases saving 80% in electricity....some higher some less...green pools are not pump issues..

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Hummm well I am a contractor in the Coachella Valley and we were installing the Pentair Variable flow pump for the California Edison Customers for 550 dollars the palm springs area ..that has a pool in about 75% on the private. homes...I was doing 5 to 10 installation a week...along with my employees...

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I don't have an exact measurement for that section you're talking about But you could probably mock it up tack it together and eyeball it into something that would work out well for you

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I have watched this long and confusing video before. But I watched the entire thing again. Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not see a pressure gauge or ever hear pressure or head required mentioned? This is just another typical BS video designed to confuse you with a bunch of worthless numbers, trying to make you think a Variable Speed Pump is worth all the extra expense and problems that go with. It never compares apples to apples. Since the Affinity Law says pressure increases by the square of the speed, the difference in head produced at 3450 RPM compared to only 3000 RPM would be tremendous. If the head from 3450 RPM is not needed, then this video is comparing a grossly oversized full speed pump with a VS pump, which is usually the case when they can show any savings for varying the speed. If the VS pump can achieve enough head or pressure to make the filter and skimmers work running at 3000 RPM, it is never used as any larger than a 1HP pump. If at 1HP load the VS pump draws 1520 watts, a single speed 1HP pump would only draw 1440 watts, as it has no computerized controller and is not drawing an extra 5% the way a VS pump does. Then if 3 hours at full speed is all that is needed to filter the pool properly, turning off the pump for the other 21 hours a day saves 5,640 watts a day, or $1, 848.00 in 84 months over the VS pump. If a lower flow rate is needed for the salt system, a smaller full speed pump will again save energy over a VS pump. If the VS pump uses 3300 watts in 6 hours of use, a properly sized full speed pump will only use 3135 watts. Again, the full speed pump will use 5% less energy than the VS pump, saving another 165 watts a day. A third and even smaller full speed pump would save another 5% over the 2100 watts per day the VS pump uses at this low speed. However, at this speed it is doing absolutely nothing in terms of filtering, or any work needed for the pool. A full 2100 watts can be saved every day by just turning the pump off for the 15 hours it is doing nothing anyway. So, having a third pump this small would be useless and not needed. A pump running at full speed is always more efficient than when the speed is reduced. Reducing a pump’s speed not only makes it less efficient but requires a VFD controller which uses extra energy on top of what the pump is using. I can show a few hundred watts savings for using a properly sized full speed pump compared to the VS pump. But there are very little savings to be made as pumps cannot be made more efficient than they already are. Pumps are made to be most efficient at full speed, and there is no way around that short of changing the laws of physics. I will say this one more time. A VS pump may be more convenient than having a two pump system, but it is not more efficient. Three phase motors are more efficient than single phase. Permanent magnets and high efficiency motors also help but varying the pump speed actually causes more energy use, not less. A motor cannot use less energy than when it is turned off. If it is spinning so slow it is not doing any work anyway, it just needs to be turned off. Oh BTW, A VS pump controller can still use energy even when the pump is not running.

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@@UltimatePoolGuy thank you! Should I wait 24 hrs for thinset to cure before grout?

Sure you can do that So your pieces don't move around on you We like "prolite non sag" thinset also available from home Depot I think you'll enjoy making tile repairs It's always peaceful to be poolside working

@@UltimatePoolGuy you’re the best! Thanks for the tips and motivation :)

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Spec mix type s And rapid set motor mix In general rapid set products we like to use around pools They have a few different kinds of products available from home Depot and Lowe's type suppliers For your spec mix you can also add Mason's glue for better bonding strengths Hope this helps

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I understand your question and what you are trying to do I would call your local part supplier wherever you buy your chemicals and materials Take a look at your part numbers and see if that's something that will work You could also call pentair directly and ask their tach line It's something I don't know the exact answer to and I don't want to give you the incorrect information but I understand what you're trying to do and I hope it works out for you 🤜🤛

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A pool pump doesn't loose prime when it is turned off. If that is the only reason to have a variable speed pool pump you are wasting 16 hours worth of electricity, no matter how much or how little energy the pump is using at reduced speed. There is no difference between a well pump and a pool pump, they both use centrifugal impellers. The pool pump is just designed to produce less head than a deep well pump, but it still has to produce a certain amount of head all the same. The real argument is, when using a VFD to reduce the flow and head of a pump, any centrifugal pump, would a much smaller and properly sized full speed pump, (designed for the lower head and flow requirement) use less energy than the variable speed pump? The answer is yes. Pumps are designed to be the most efficient at rated speed. Anytime you reduce the RPM from rated speed, the pump/motor is losing efficiency. I have said many times, a variable speed pump is great if you just want to be able to turn the flow up and down as you please. But I have a big problem with them being sold as an energy saving device when they actually increase the energy use to pump the water and use energy like any computer, on top of what the pump is using.

@@cyclestopvalves8380 you bring up a good point i would like to know how the vs pump takes this point into consideration. here is a link . he shows the most compelling evidence pro vs pump but doesn't answer the question you bring up.

@@VeraPoolandSpaservices Don't see a link? But of course they don't answer the question I bring up as that would prove VS pumps do not save energy.

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It's something you can get done on your own You do need materials from building supply yard or home Depot or something like that You can start with small sample areas to come up with a routine that you're happy with and final results that look good and then you can use that same method all the way around your pool Hope this helps

@@UltimatePoolGuy I'm pumped and Thank you for the words of encouragement. I'm going to try it in 10 block sections. I plan on grinding the base/surface area of the underside of the coping and scarring the pool deck. Mentally I'm stuck with do I use thin-set or a "glue" slash bonding compound? Thankfully, even if I screw it up. It'll look better than it does now.

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You can use a spec mix blend that has Mason's glue in it and then dollops of thinset on the backside of each piece I sort of outlined this method in the video it's very effective and you end up with a high Bond strength

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Hello A 20x40 pool is a larger pool You should check with your materials supplier and your batch mixer size for the correct amount of pigment for each batch And then make sure to be consistent with those measurements throughout your job Hope this is helpful 👍

If it's a cantilever deck system and there's no expansion joint up top then we put silicone at the top joint of the tile for the expansion joint If there is an expansion joint up top and traditional coping then we put grout in the top joint Hope this helps

@@UltimatePoolGuy my deck has a plastic strip all around the pool. So what do you recommend using?

On older construction swimming pools they would use a plastic strip in the expansion joint If this is what you have and what you're dealing with you may want to or need to cut the plastic strip out prepare the joint bed with sand and poor new deck o seal

Scratch coat is acceptable in some regions of the United States There's a limited amount of times that you can do scratch coat layers on top of each other before a pool eventually needs to be chipped out anyways Scratch coat pools also have weaker bond strength between the layers versus a pool that has been demoed and fresh materials applied The methods you see here in the video are what is widely used and accepted for Los Angeles California 👍

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Thank you for the suggestion A lot of what we use could be sourced from Home Depot or Lowe's They are general building products but we use premium versions of what's available Hope this is helpful

What you are asking about is called overhang 1 and 1/2 to 2 in is normal But it can be whatever you want for example coping could be flush with the pool wall if you wanted Commercial pools have a raised lip at the front of their coping for people to grab onto Your overhang will also affect your rear proportions at the back of the coping what is going to butt up against your decking material if there is any Lastly We used to deal only with 12-in wide copings like clay fired brick but now we deal with coping that are up to 16 in wide with poor in place concrete Just things to keep in mind ☝️ So with the wider 16-in copings we have more flexibility in design choices overhangs rear proportions stuff like that But as a general rule an inch and a half to two inches is fine You can also ask your contractor that's installing your materials what they recommend for your region And you could even dry fit a couple pieces and see what's going to suit your taste best Hope this helps Best of luck with your project

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Nlbcorp.com This site can get you looking in the right direction You can find a lot of information online as well about these set ups Good luck 💯

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I'm told between 20-30 thousand psi for most plaster surfaces but the machines are adjustable all the way up to 50,000 psi and some adjustments are necessary for each job because the plaster is harder and more dense than others For example a pebble finish surface would require higher PSI These machines are expensive and there's a lot of adjustment within the unit

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Chemistry becomes a problem when there is no circulation or filtering. 75 watts may be circulating a little bit, not not filtering, skimming, vacuuming, or anything useful.

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@@cyclestopvalves8380 That's simply not true. Low RPM operation is great for filtering. Skimmers and SWCG work just fine. It would be too low for a suction cleaner, but I have a robot. The whole point of a VSP is to operate as slow as possible while still achieving your desired effects (skimmers and chlorinators work).

@@pjtill1 Sure the whole point of VSP is to operate as slow as possible, just not to save energy. A correctly sized pump will still use less energy than a larger pump slowed down with a VFD. I am glad it is working for you. But 75 Watts will only pump about 4 GPM at 2 PSI. If that is all the water needed a 1/10th HP circulator pump would use less energy than a large HP pump slowed down with a VFD.