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$3 a round for 6.5 Creedmoor! 🤣

@@korcla5668 308 guys must be laughing at 6.5CM guys right now because you can barely find the stuff let alone primers and powder, meanwhile at my local BI-Mart 308 comes in pretty consistently now.

@@Iron_Road Love my 308 Rifles and 10000 rounds off it. Still my Tika tac tx2...in CM6.5 is soo good. Had my dreamload after 3 sessions. Starline LR with S&B and 44Hunter and 147ELD-M. My 223 loading is the Never ending story.

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Thank you for the very kind words. I am grateful this information was useful for you. Cheers!

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Thank you! I'm glad that point made it through. As rifle systems become easier to shoot accurately, I've seen an increase in wounded game in the field. It is our responsibility to promote not only responsible shooting practices, but responsible hunting practices as well.

I understand the "talking" and "regulations" ... specially in today's world where _virtue signaling_ and _politically correct_ language are being imposed upon all of us. Just as a reminder and also in order to keep us "sane", I just want to point out that either in the Amazon's jungle or Africa's savannas, where Indians and Natives alike have been hunting forever and a day ... hunting is far from optimal and animals do get hurt in pain 'till final kill. And that's how it is; there is NOTHING wrong with that. That's how it works in nature. [excellent video, btw]

@@renatosureal Everything is relative.

I know, @@johnmccarthy6999, most hunters [myself included!] actually respect animals and do their absolute best to deliver a humane kill shot, BUT ... w/ so much BS these days such as Greta Thunberg and alike ... I am just trying not to be "limited" by them. 😏

@@renatosureal We can only fix the face in the mirror, and I still have a lot of work to do. Not that it always happens, but it is my goal when shooting targets to put it in the same hole. When I am hunting, my goal is to drop the game on impact, minimize damage and suffering of the take.

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Sounds like you made a good decision!

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MAny 59s come with much higher MOA mounts. 30 or more.

Thank you! I'm glad it makes sense

51moa to play with is 125inches dialup so you can shoot 1500m with the 6,5cm. 147eld-m at 840m/s

You don't need a canted picatinny mount if your scope has mildots; old school that never fails.

@@marcrobert2603 share the equation, pls.

@@renatosureal the bullet drop compensation function of a mil dot or MOA scaled reticle is secondary to the scaled reticle’s range finding function. It is better when possible to aim from center of crosshair, dialing to distance, because it supports recognition of consistent sight alignment, as well as parallax error using the eye’s natural ability to balance and center things. This is important because sight misalignment error increases with distance. At any rate, this is my perspective from experience as a Military Rifle Instructor assisting the USAMU deliver SDM Training.

@@renatosureal. There is no ballistic computation needed for an understanding here. All that’s needed is a ballistics app’s trajectory calculation for particular bullet/velocity. For example my 77 grain .223 loading requires 48 MOA come-up (480 inches) from a 100 yard zero to hit 1000 yard target in standard atmospheric conditions according to my ballistics app. My scope has 110 MOA elevation which means if I can get a 100 yard zero at about the 55 MOA point I can adjust elevation to reach a 1000 yard target with perhaps 7 MOA, or 70 inches of extra elevation at hand. Interestingly enough, I might still be inclined to place scope on a 20 MOA base to avoid dialing to end of scope range, which could happen in cold weather with dense air.

That's a great skill to have when you need to shoot fast. Cheers!

Exactly ! In real life, real combat included, not hollywood-style movies and such... *mildots* are used.

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if you have mill dots in the sight ... all of this conversation becomes IRRELEVANT

@@renatosurealIt’s not irrelevant because dialing to distance is always more precise than holding to distance, especially when wind is favored rather than dialed. At any rate, there’s typically no downside to a 20 MOA base unless it precludes a 100 yard zero. The bottom-line is a convergent scope base can help a shooter use a high magnification 1 inch scope for long range shooting, such as NRA Long-Range Competition, saving the shooter the expense of a 30mm scope.

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The base you choose is based on your optic and range you would like to shoot. Apply the formulas in the video to your set up and see which mount is needed. My 28 Nosler has a 40 MOA base under the scope because that was what was needed for the intended use of that particular rifle. Cheers!

Sounds like you're on the right track!

Not at all. All your data will be the same one the optic is zeroed

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Drop is relative to your muzzle height. Cheers!

@@mountaintacticalcompany how do you know the trajectory with 20moa adjustment? What calculator do you use? Cheers!

Sorry it took me a bit to respond. Since you are not shooting long range, all you need is 0 MOA.

Gillan Laureth of Seles That's great! Most people just buy and don't understand that they may not need what they are buying.

@@mountaintacticalcompany I just bought ruger mpr and it came with the 20 moa mount...what would be the best scope for it?

@@chaboi7 honestly, that's like asking what underwear is most comfortable. Haha! There are so many optics available for every type of shooting. When I buy a scope, first I decide what type of shooting I plan to use it for, then find the best optic in that category.

@@mountaintacticalcompany why do we not set sights parallel to barrel? If you know the sight/optic is X" above the bore, doesn't that simplify the math for drop?

60Ometers or less than you don't need, rectiles give you +10moa helping lines. I have no problems with my until 850M without. On very hot day i can dial in to 1100yards.

Warren Gunderman JP just makes awesome gear. The only other mount I'd look at is the Seekins Precision 20 MOA mount. Both are bombproof!

The dividing line would be your optic's adjustment range compared to your ballistics at those ranges.

The dividing line is 1340 fps bullet speed. I just saved u $53 on Litz DVD, As the bullet slows down, gravity, drag, BC,... starts to work on the drop and math can't predict it.

You are exactly right. A 40 MOA would be the best solution. Depending on the rifle set up, you may need a cheek riser. But every set up is different.

That is definitely a long range rail set up. That said, if you can still zero the rifle at 50 yards, I would not change a thing. If you cannot get a 50 yard zero, then a 0 MOA rail would work perfect for you. Cheers!

@@mountaintacticalcompany thank you for this reply! I don’t quite understand why they went this route as it’s a great light hunting rifle and they make other .22 rifles for that long range application. No one makes rails except for one company and they only provide a 15MOA But it’s in the right direction.

It works exactly the same. Mils can be converted to MOA if you want to plug numbers into what is done here

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking but there are plenty of ballistic calculators that can give you specific trajectories based on your load

Is the inner part of a scope really 0 MOA or did it look slightly downwards to cross the path of the bullit? If it is really 0 MOA it will eat up some MOA of your adjustment.

The purpose of a 20 MOA rail is to increase the amount vertical adjustment in the scope so you can dial your turret for longer shots.

We used 6.5CM simply because it is a round that most people are familiar with right now. As I say in the video, I would never use it hunting at that range. This video was about optic mounts so ballistics of different calibers were not a consideration here. I appreciate the feedback for future video ideas!

@@mountaintacticalcompany Its a good video. You explained it better than I could. Going to have my 15 year old watch it. Tried to explain it to him the other day when he was wanting to change out his stock rail on his new savage 338 lapua. His HD Razor has 135 moa, and until he can shoot to the bottom 10 of that, there's no need for him to swap it out. Better now to spend that money on brass and powder. Thanks again

@@pcjpcj4070 he's going to need lots of money for powder with that bad boy! Haha!

I like to talk up the 6.5 Swede, being that it is so much a part of Scandinavian shooting and history, as well as a great round in its own right. I'll bring up that it has been used to kill more moose there than all other cartridges combined, and has great versatility, but one day you start regretting saying such things because people get idiot ideas like using a 6.5 CM to take pot shots at animals at 600 yards, where decreasing terminal performance for all bullets is a major issue, along with shot placement. So, I'll bring up the caveats to my 6.5 Swede moose killing point. The one most people mention is that the moose up in the Norse lands are smaller than their North American counterparts. The point I like to draw out is that a the 6.5 Swede does a great job on bigger animals because they use heavy weight bullets with big boi sectional density, like the Norma 156 grain Oryx, or 160 grain old fashioned round nose, not lighter weight 140 grain bullets. In a caliber small as .264, the lack of objective weight, that sectional density and extra weight are huge differences. The shapes and weight of bullet for hunting may not be the kinds you want to use long range anyhow. Second, those Scandinavians take great pride in marksmanship, yet a lot of those moose kills are at closer ranges from old hunting spots in the woods, not half a mile sniper shots. So, as far as hunting goes, the 6.5mm 0.264 inch is a capable killer, even on larger game, so long as you keep your distance short, your aim true, and the proper heavy bullet of good construct. However, no matter how great a long range match cartridge it is, it is a poor choice for long range hunting. Punching paper smaller may do as well, but in lethality sometimes there is no replacement for weight and size.

Depends what rifle the scope is on an how far you want to shoot, but mils to moa you have about 89 moa adjustment in the scope So you can easily use a 20 moa base, a higher moa base if your rifle and you are capable of shooting really far like 2k or more. Simple conversion factor I use is 3.44 20/3.44=5.81 mills hope this helps

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I've never thought of it that way, but you are correct. If you are using hold overs, no need for a canted optic mount.

Leroy Anthony Duran Jr For your situation it probably wouldn't matter. The 20 MOA would give you flexibility in the future if you choose to shoot farther, but at 300 yards, a 0 MOA rail would not be a handicap. Hopefully this helps.

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Great observation! This video is about barrel-sight relationship. You are referring to bullet trajectory and external ballistics. We could definitely do a video on external ballistics if you think it would be educational

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Over 90% of the time, you'll be fine at closer ranges. Most calibers only drop an inch or two between 100 and 200 yards. A deer won't notice the difference. Haha!

Since this is a dedicated long range set up, I would use the highest MOA angled mount (i.e. 40 MOA+) and use whatever mounts are comfortable for you. You do not want to put tension on the rifle system by contorting yourself to get a sight picture. That's a great set up! You'll be amazed at how far you will be able to shoot it accurately with practice.

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@@khatuntsovmikhail6223 When would it be a bad idea? As long as you have the adjustment, and it's not at the end of the travel, a 0° have zero advantage.

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The MOA does not affect accuracy. As the video addressed, which rail you choose is based on your optic. I actually used this example as to why you would choose one over the other.

This is exactly what we do when mounting new scopes on 20 MOA rails

Going to 200 yards with a 22lr? 20 MOA may not be enough. But in your set up, your optic will be the limiting factor for range.

It sounds like you definitely need both the 20 MOA rail and higher rings. That will be a great set up once it is dialed in!

@@mountaintacticalcompany ugh....I ordered the 0 moa last night.... I mean the most I'll shoot is 300 maybe 400 yards....do you think the 0 will be ok? Thank you for the reply

That takes way too short a time. Way too simple.

Suburb A Knight I was thinking the same thing! He has to show us how smart he is!

20moa at each 100m/110Y, so 200moa at 1000m/1100Y. or plus 5meter or 5.5Yard. or something. But your bullet drop is extreme fast at those distances.

He did say exactly that. Just in a much more informed way for people that would search this video. Glad he added all the detail. Be sure and give us the link to your 3 second video explaining this the short way.

How does your optic match up with the data provided here?

Or even a 30 or 40 MOA with the Lapua

@@mountaintacticalcompany Thank you

2punish1 That's a great optic! Definitely go 20MOA or up to 40MOA if you can find one for your rifle.

Ok, thanks!

Watch the part with the diagrams again. It's all step by step there.

Thank you, I did and it became clear. All best from Australia.

@@teacheng3795 Awesome! Cheers!