This is disgusting attempt to re-write history. Shame on you.

I have a question. Indy quotes Martin Gilbert as evidence to the notion that belief Russia was at first neutral is false, but what makes his findings more accurate than other historians that believe they were neutral? His quote doesn't cite sources as much as it interprets the intentions of the pact. Are not other historians doing the same thing?

You only talk about german war crimes.

@@ele7864 Incorrect, he examines them here - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hM-XjK9mlbeslYk.html, here - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/od-bg9ik3s3ef6s.html, and elsewhere.

@@johndoe6298 true but only few more videos

David Ellis - just wanted to take a moment and thank you for your valuable contribution - you're adding value, context and depth - thanks from the whole TimeGhost Team

Thank you for adding this

Thank you for your story! But where dud they run if Poland was completely occupied by Germany and the USSR?

My grandmother, just passed away last year, was fortunate enough to flee Poland before the war with her family. They ended up moving to Hamtramck Michigan, and she ended up making tank parts for GM, doing her part here.

@@McSonR Romania and Hungary that's were most soldiers ran into. The Soviets would later make a second core and just sorts toss them out of the USSR.

Well they did help more than the allies tho... Allies were too busy dropping pamphlets.

@@TbBucsBetter06 they helped Poland by massacring tens of thousands of polish officers. Yeep, good old papa Stalin just helping out!

Stalin: Pay back time!

@@TbBucsBetter06 They not invaded poland that part was never poland check the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line

@@danielraymadden Poland done same to Russian people en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line

Exactly!

And a chance to repost all your old comments too.

@George Emil lol

my memory is so bad after a year I can watch it again

I'm doing it for the third time (Y)

* 50 year period.

*Multiple centuries

amazing the free pass the soviets get for starting ww11

One big difference isn't there?

You have no idea this shit has been going on since 2014

@@joemamaobama6863 yep but the western world forgets that bit

Still far better cause than the "weapon of mass destruction" one

russian occupation was a little better than nazi ocuupation, KEY WORD LITTLE

@@abhinavs8109 alot*

@@terrorgaming459 The russians dont put them in KZs true. They had Gulags which where an upgrade cause they where not straight forward intentended to kill you. But nevertheless many died there cause Russians gave a shit on poland.

@@Ttavoc The gulags weren't extermination camps, but your chances of dying were still scary. And most Poles weren't in danger of being sent to concentration or extermination camps, whereas anyone accused of opposing the communists was in danger.

@@Myndir that was inaccurate about Soviet.

Nice family history

It was to delay time Stalin knew this shit wouldnt last....it was temporary.

@@jamesmcpherson8599 that was a a joke bro lol

@@jamesmcpherson8599 but stalin did kinda denied his intelligence about germany going to invade them

@@alexamerling79 Unacceptable! We live in a post-joke society!

@@hafeezuddin1367 exactly

ues

dragos...I had no idea about that! Salut din Houston, și am avut un bunic care era nāscut în 1904 și nu a luptat în rāzboiul ăsta (motiv medical) dar nu ne-a vorbit despre incidentele astea din război.

@@marinazagrai1623 Am inteles. Ma bucur că te-am putut ajuta cu o informatie nouă.

It's quite simple: Both of them couldn't face Germany alone and they couldn't afford to earn another powerful enemy

@@WorldWarTwo thanks for the quick response. Really appreciate it. Im not arguing the reason. Which is probably right. Im still a little disappointed with the fact that in this episode this was passed lightly and with little reflection on it. England declared war to a country that posed a threat to the freedom of the Poles. So far so good. Clearly the good guys are the English for the press. Big brother protecting younger brother. A few weeks later another country does the same and nothing happens. So if your argument is morale ground then you have to stick with it, or you revisit it altogether. Germany back in 1939, though dictatortship and already starting to show examples of the atrocities that is capable to do was a mere shadow of what the Soviet Union already did by killing millions and millions of her own during Soviet ruling. Bolchevism was already seen as a threat and horrors of what was capable of doing well known. So if you start a war to defend a weak country you do it to any agressor. Not to the ones you pick. Anyway thanks. Its all politicis, nobody cared about the poles who fought braver than any other ally army. Looking forward for more great episodes!

@@weirdshibainu agreed, defending Poland was simply an argument they needed to justify their stance.

Finland was lucky that Stalin had not made a pact with Hitler over Finland as well.

What could UK and France have done about it?

Good question. Poland is in Eastern Europe. UK and France could not just send troops there by land. Even by air, they would have to maybe fly over Germany. So geographically Poland was screwed, sandwich between Germany and USSR. Unlike the invasion of Belgium, UK and France was able to assemble and attack from France. That is why Hitler was surprised when UK and France declared war when Germany attacked Poland, as he thinks UK/France would do nothing just like when he took over Austria and Czechoslovakia. Well imagine if UK/France let Hitler grew more powerful and let him take Europe, one country at a time. That would...... led to many possibilities as to the outcome of World War-2.

@@worldwar-2militaryscalemod186 You forget, that UK and France made a guarantee for Poland. But when the Spviets attacked Poland, the British and France did nothing. Also, when Germany invaded the Benelux states, British and France retreated, and Belgium and Netherlands were left alone and foced to capitulate. The british could have also prevented Germany from taking Norway, stoping iron imports from Sweden, and ending the war early.

@@kwtr1609 Right. I think UK and France was late in mobilizing towards Belgium. By the time they were on their way, Germany was wreaking havoc in Belgium. Well Hitler was hoping for them to meet the Germans in Belgium so he could flank UK/France from the Ardennes. I think UK and France were just denying the fact that war is inevitable, they may have in mind the destruction of World War-1 and want to avoid it. Even appeasing Hitler in the late 1930s. Neville Chamberlain traveled to Germany to give Hilter what he wants, gets a signed paper of him and Hitler, then saying war is avoided. The world was not ready for another war even if it was already knocking on the door of the major powers. UK had operation or commando raid in Norway, for a short time but eventually considered the situation there untenable. I think Germany had just a better military strategy in the early years of World War-2, they even occupy France, UK major ally. But we all know at the end Hilter bit more than he could chew.

Artrexis...as governors decided to ruin the economy a little further, and we are stuck, again, at home this is our only refuge! Love these episodes and only wish the younger people would pay attention to these aggressors - now this is done more subtly so people (at least some) don't realize what's going on!

So way behind 😂

@Anthony Davis Thank you! The real gratitude is owed to the TimeGhost Army! Never Forget.

Glad to have you with us Viper! Plenty more still to come, and we can't do it without the support of the TimeGhost Army!

@@WorldWarTwo anytime you upload your gonna see me there these videos are great man keep up the work 🙏

Right?! Did you see the Galway smile someone cut on him? I think that’s what they call it at least. Anyway he must’ve been siding with the Germans out of some petty revenge for whoever cut his face up and made him look like a little bitch boy. He probably deserved it anyway knowing his morals...

As someone who has only one tie in my entire cupboard, i increasingly feel like i am personally attacked :D

@@taufiqutomo We all start with one

Unless we buy a pack of three that is

The Soviet Union's invasion was terrible, but in reality neither Britain or France had the strength and resources to take on both Germany and the Soviet Union. It's a shameful moment, but if we had declared war on the USSR, we most likely would have been beaten harder than we were. We'll never know what would have happened if things were different.

@@Frserthegreenengine Britain declared War for Germany invading Poland. At the end of the war Stalin takes over all of Poland , Albania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania,Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania and Yugoslavia. Thanks for nothing Britain.

@@Crashed131963 stop copying and pasting your comment you bot.

@@Frserthegreenengine I have a follower it seems..

@@Crashed131963 I am not sure you can fairly pin that on the British. As the narrator pointed out, there really was not a whole lot they could do. And all of Eastern Europe fell to Stalin because he planned it that way -- and the Allies had no plan for what to do when Stalin broke his promise to allow free and fair elections in occupied Eastern Europe. Of course, if we had somehow opened that "Second Front" a year or two earlier the way Stalin and Molotov insisted, we might also have reached Berlin and even Eastern Europe before the Soviets did. Then Stalin would not have had that free hand he had.

@@juriyo1563 I am Polish, I understand perfectly well. But you don't understand the irony.

@@paracelsus1948 As Oscar Wilde once wrote: A good friend will always stab you in the front (heart); your enemy will do so in the back.

Its an old Russian saying. Maybe older, than Soviet Union itself.

As if the German Nazis were better

It wasnt an invasion, it was more of a protection of Soviet people in Poland. Would you leave your people to live under Germans in Poland now that the incompetent Polish government has failed?

@@SubidubidubiDu1 of course it was an invasion. How come people still believe in soviet propaganda, when today's Russia tries to tell you otherwise, Russian government even officially admitted to Katyn massacre and played the movie about it(in which Soivet's crime is shown)?

@@Lord1885 German cartridge/calibers found at the site. Katyn can hardly be attributed to Soviets, Nazis were known for false flag operations, for example Radio Gleiwitz attack when the German soldiers dressed up in Polish uniforms attacked the site.

@@SubidubidubiDu1 German cartridges, which can be traced back by production numbers to be sold to the Soviet Union in 1938... The massacre of Katyn is without a doubt and with zero clues otherwise solely on the Soviet Union.

@@ChrisTian-yw7jc yes, Russia government even said it was on Stalins orders and gave us part of documents about prisoners and those with extermination orders, also I am polish and all my friends whose ancestors told them about times of WW2 say even naizs were better than those savagery that were Red Army, do not forget that they also enslaved us, terrorised and robbed during long time od occupation after ww2

they deserve nothing, and they already have their own independent national state with 99% of polish population.

@@spqr1945 And yet everyone still wants to invade them and slaughter the poles whole sale.

Clean Wehrmacht myth.

@@fromthebackseat4865 , clearly not Since not all were against it

@@hidof9598 against what? The Wehrmacht was responsible for some of the worst crimes of the war.

@@fromthebackseat4865 , no, I mean this channel didn't perpetuate the Clean Wehrmacht myth. Since all soldiers didn't oppose the killings. Only some did

@@hidof9598 I wasn’t accusing the channel of perpetuating the myth. I was accusing this commenter. He said that the military “wasn’t okay” with the actions of the SS. Which is an outright falsehood and perpetuates a post war myth spun up by war criminals to deflect blame.

It was a mercy kill.

@@josecipriano3048 Not for the jews

USSR could't be a Hitler's allie. It is impossible. Their ideologies were totally opposed. The Nazis rised becouse they positionated themselves as anticommunists. Tottaly different economic, social and ideological systems. The war between them was inevitable. The Non-agression pact was a try to deley the inicion of war with germany and to prevent the anticommunist's alliance between Hitler and other capitalist countries (France and England)

Same with Stalin's sister she defected and lived in America. Both were risks of being killed by there own family

The problem is Germany kept on attacking when they should’ve been more focused on consolidating lands that they DID take

@@andrestyles4 Can't keep alive the lie about quick-fixing the economy with spoils of war by consolidating lands he already has, can he

Because he didnt need to? Do you not know what actually happened?

@@wizzyno1566 He Euthanized them I know, but he could've made them walk across minefields or something

He did It's called "Volkssturm"

@2manynegativewaves ??

Arrogance

@@huuphuclecao8712 You really have a tough time in that movie's comment section, don't you? But I kinda get where this is coming from. So much truth on your poor, brainwashed head was just too much...

Should've talked more about Poland in general

We have covered the Katyn massacre in the first episode of the War Against Humanity series; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ncpljMuZs8mnZGg.html

@@WorldWarTwo NKVD prison massacres 1941 are unknown in West. Number of victims was bigger then Katyn.

@@lortea Not well known, certainly. But unknown? I wouldn't go that far. The fact that some English-speakers (likely Westerners) have added it to Wikipedia shows that there is some awareness of it, both among professional historians and amateur enthusiasts - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_prisoner_massacres. Any lack of awareness of those events is not confined to those specifically, but merely indicative of wider ignorance of WW2 in Eastern Europe. Remember, regions where the war in Europe was at its most bloody, brutal and destructive, where most of the fighting and dying would occur for much of the war's duration, ended up behind the Iron Curtain afterwards. Western access to such places, witnesses, survivors and records was incredibly limited. Even after Stalin's death, Soviet politicians were not entirely honest in public regarding the USSR's conduct during the war, wishing to sweep the "excesses" of the Stalin-era under the carpet (with the notably exception of Nikita Khrushchev's so-called Secret Speech of 1956) to preserve the image of the Great Patriotic War, given how much the Soviet population had suffered. So for over 4 decades, Western understanding of WW2 in Europe was largely incomplete. Since the collapse of communism during 1989-91, historians have been playing catch-up to complete the picture decades after the events, but popular understanding always takes some time to catch-up with academia. So despite WW2 ending over 70 years ago, it is really only in the last 30-ish years that a much more accurate picture of the war has started to take shape. In fact, it could be argued that WW2 in Europe was not fully resolved until the final treaty was signed between the 2 Germany's (East & West) and the 4 Allied Powers in 1990 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany. By that logic, the Cold War was as much an extension of WW2 as it was a by-product of it. Because of the above, the myths and misconceptions that emerged during the Cold War have proven very difficult to shake off, whilst the geo-political stand-off itself added to them. For example, a recurring figure in this series is German chief of staff Franz Halder. After the war the US Army Historical Division hired him to head the write-up on their official history on the Eastern Front. This allowed him to be VERY SELECTIVE in what was published, namely omitting anything that made the Wehrmacht look bad and pinning everything (be it tactical-strategic mistakes or crimes against humanity) on Hitler, the Nazis and the SS and avoiding the military leadership's share of responsibility in a global calamity that had killed millions. Furthermore, other leading German generals (Guderian, Von Manstein, et al.) wrote their memoirs (particularly during the 1950s) which conveniently omitted the role of Nazi ideology (and thus any war crimes) in their part in the war. Around the same period, the new West German armed forces (Bundeswehr) was being established (who's officer corps included ex-Wehrmacht ones, particularly among its generals) and Cold War-era pragmatism meant that few in Western government circles who knew better were prepared to rock the boat in the new NATO alliance by digging up the past and irking their West German ally. Such things helped sanitise the reputation of the Wehrmacht in wider Western understanding of the war, creating the image of a highly efficient and apolitical force that didn't muddy its hands in Nazi atrocities (note the Clean Wehrmacht myth - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht) and was far superior to the Red Army throughout the war, but was merely overwhelmed by endless hordes from the East (Spoiler Alert, these generals lied through their ((bleep)) teeth - liar, liar pants on fire). From what I've seen so far, Indy & Co are doing a fine job steadily demolishing such myths (just as he did whilst working on The Great War channel), duly noting the Wehrmacht's role in war crimes, the unease of some German military personnel, the Soviet's share of atrocities and even the misconception of what Blitzkrieg is, or rather is not - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p8uabKeJl56RqKs.html. But as Operation Barbarossa gets underway, I have full confidence that the channel will cover the NKVD massacres as the Soviets withdraw.

Defiantly needs more attention, especially as there are 'historians' like Grover Furr who outright deny that the NKVD committed crimes against Polish prisoners, claims it was all done by the Nazis and that those committed by the NKVD were "justified retaliations to the Polish victory against the USSR in 1922". Sure the Nazis murdered millions of Poles, but that doesn't mean we should ignore or deny the ones committed by the Soviets.

Those stories are coming up as war continues. Soviet Union just got invaded.

France had no chance of winning when they surrendered. Why do you want people to die pointlessly?

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It varies. Sometimes it was Churchill, sometimes Daladier, sometimes a pizza delivery guy, sometimes Iñigo Montoya.

His Taylor.

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Interesting perspective, certainly not one I had personally heard myself. I’ll put a note in, possibly cover it over on our Twitter if I can get enough good sources! -Will

@@WorldWarTwo poles took like 3 willages full of poles after czechoslovakia was taken by germans Also it was as revenge for czech attack during polish-soviet war and it was Betven poles and czechs. And we both Czechs and Poles hate russa together so fuck those lairs

They cant justify it like this bcs of what they did in 1937-8 when NKVD killed about 150k poles during so called Polish action

@@WorldWarTwo also one of german generals said that germans in west would have no chance of standing if france would attack

The funny thing is that i live in Cieszyn city which is now half polish half czech

We had better editing tools than our first day

They couldn't fight another strong foe, while already declared war to Germany, plus they would strengthen the Molotov-Ribentrop pact

"other fascists" lol nice way to announce publicly your political illiteracy

​@@ZeromusVX maybe better than yours, while you will be arguing about what every term and ideology means and stands for you won't even notice how you'll end up in a concentration camp either under fascists or communists rule, the same fucked up shit under different names. As ukrainian my grandparents have fully experienced life both under Hitler and Stalin so it was the fucking same repressions and genocides, same elimination of opposition, same one leader which you need to worship (yeah tell me about 'elections' under communists) only imbeciles will be looking for differences for the imaginary internet points while regular citizen will face the same life threatening problems no matter what the fuck you call it. Actually you might be right, there is a difference, countries which lived under communist occupation experienced more repressions than under fascists, because fascists were united amongst themselves and killed the carefully defined image of 'the enemy' while communists murdered indiscriminately, mostly their own people to keep them in the stables and in fear like sheep.

nobody cares. to us they were both just monsters, whatever ideology they hide behind to commit inhuman monstrosities made zero difference to anybody. a tyrant is a tyrant. and it still makes no difference today. nazis, communists - we have one name for both of those, and that name is pierdolone gówno.

@@tadeuszadach5732 im ukrainian, you dont have to tell me this, we survived through holodomor and currently russian rockets flying by my town almost every day so yes, I fully agree

well apparently i did have to tell that guy. so many people these days thinking the soviet union was something cool and good or even wanting to see its return - especially if they live extremely far away from it and were born 10 years after it collapsed. we must make sure that neither of those evils ever resurges. slava ukraini bracie

They have videos about that on the time ghost channle I hope

why not about german-russian?

@@mr.d601 I haven't found any

@@MrDanishevskiy Well fuck then

nice damage control there buddy

Gee I wonder why the Western Powers didn’t want to ally with the Soviets. It’s almost like they knew the Soviets had no moral compass. I wonder what would prove this 🤔

Siegfried line And also french army was obsolete

@@Losowy they signed a defense pact and backed out like cowards

@@Losowy thatvdoesnt mean they can just back out of a pact

The similarities are obvious. Moreover, the justifications for almost all invasions by Russia over the past 300 years are similar.

No?

​"to protect russian minorites from nazis

@@m7ray how can you agree?

@@BelarusLukashenko Except that Poland had no part in annexation of Sudetenland. And the "annexed a ethnic Polish community in Czechoslovakia" part is also more complicated than that and goes all the way to the Czechoslovak invasion in January 1919, when the Czechoslovak state annexed these same lands despite earlier agreements with Warsaw to split them up. Not to mention that the annexation of Zaolzie was not hand in hand with German invasion, but rather an opportunistic land grab by our government in Warsaw. "You don’t make deals with the devil (Germany)" So like Ribbentrop-Molotov pact? "Don’t take others lands nobody likes being ruled by outsiders" - Soviet invasion of Ukraine in 1917, Soviet invasion on Finland in 1939, Soviet occupation of the Baltic states? Need I continue? "Basically Poland was guilty to some degree, but the main guilt lies in Germany obviously." Germany and Russia. Russia has a fair share in the guilt for starting WW2 even if it doesn't want to admit it. The Germans at the very least have the guts to admit they've made terrible things in their somewhat recent (it's just a century) history. Russia doesn't. It only tries to perpetuate the myth of the glorious Soviet Union defending itself from the evil Nazis when the only thing really differentiating the two was that the Soviets never industrialized murder on the same scale Nazis did and their ideological leaning.

Vladimir Putin The Non-Aggression Pact between Germany and Poland in 1934 was to end an economic war and recognise the new borders between Poland and Germany it wasn’t an alliance Pact

Vladimir Putin No I think the purpose of the Pact was to normalise the relations between Poland and Germany as there had been an economic war and border clashes because of the new borders. There were talks of a Polish-German alliance but it didn’t fall through because Piłsudski began to mistrust Hitler hence him beginning to side with France even more. The takeover of Czechoslovakia and the Polish capture of Zaolzie have got nothing to do with eachother, the takeover was illegal either way because it was going against the Munich agreement.

​@@BelarusLukashenko Realy ?? Please dont use Soviet Propagnda Style. Poland signed the same pact with the Soviets in 1932. Extended in 1934. 10 years upsss (please, this is not Soviet propaganda). . Soviet Russia was an ally of the Germans from 1939 to 1941. The Soviets attacked Finland ... they took Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and took Basarabia from Romania. Until 1941 they supplied the German Reich with rope and steel .. without which the conquest of France would not have been possible.

Not the German officers there, fool. I’m sure it was just the German diplomats and a few of Hitler’s inner circle that knew of the plan.

@@davidrossi5096 Argument " you are sure" fully justifies why you use word "fool". Learn about subject something at least.

I remember that czech republic attacked poland during polish societ war and took those lands for themself Poland wasnt part of München pact and demanded those lands on its own (czech republic accepted) I know that is was czechoslovakia in fact i live in polish part of cieszyn city

In 1938 NKVD polish action killed 120 000 poles and during soviet occupation of east poland about 300 000 poles died or were sent to siberia not to mention polish officers killed in Katyń Compare this to anexed Zaolzie were nit even one czech was killed (mqybe because population was mostly polish)

You are a new level of monday morning quarterback. 🤡

There are two reasons why Japan didn't go north. First reason is called the Battles of Khalkhin Gol when Japan actually did go north. And the second reason is the Soviet - Japan war in 1945 that showed Japan had much bigger chances against the US.

Poles were living in all those lands. Werent majority but were locals as opposite to Russians.

lortea no they were not living in those lands, in fact a very tiny amount did live there, with the exception of Lvov. In Western Belarus, many so called Poles are just Polonized Belarusians who adopted Catholicism after the Union of Lublin in 1569 uniting Poland with the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Most people living in these lands were either Belarusian, Ukrainian, or Jewish. Only small pockets of Russians and Poles lived there and I mean very few.

@@lortea this is factually untrue the natives of the lands were Ukrainians and Belerusians who the poles invaded and colonialised

@@jamesmcpherson8599 disgusting lies

@@jamesmcpherson8599 This isn't exactly correct. As per Piłsudski's views, they were all Poles - as in Polish citizens working for the Polish state. He and his political allies didn't discriminate based on peoples nationalities and ethnicities but their loyalties. It was the Endecja (ND - Narodowa Demokracja) that took control after Piłsudski's death that started forced polonization of those that weren't ethnic Poles. Furthermore, neither Ukraine nor Belarus were capable of surviving the post WW1 mess and have quickly fell to the Soviet invaders as well, until Polish forces annexed these lands into 2nd Polish Republic during the counter-offensive after our miraculous victory in Battle of Warsaw. Basically, these lands would've ended up in Soviet hands anyway and Poland just couldn't allow it due to strategic, cultural, political and ethnic reasons. And while backstabbing the Ukrainians in our joint defense against USSR is not something to be proud of, I will dare say that it is understandable why it happened.