+Mauricio Melo No, but I know of one car that is.

\if you buy a nice bike it car cost like 5K If you buy a crappy car for 5K Yea it is a Bike killer

If you spent 5k on a bike, you are a money killer lol

well I have like a 3000 bike from TREK They are overpriced but you get what I mean

Triple CZ The main reason for the title is that I believe that eventually boards like this will be a direct challenge to the old faithful Pi. I've been a Pi fanboy since the very first one, but the allure of all that x86 software that the Up brings is appealing.

Right? Pi has always been aimed at programing and basic I/O controlling, and the $100 range SBCs aren't even aimed at accomplishing the same goals.

Don't forget you have to add both WiFi and Bluetooth to the UP board cost as well.

+ShotgunVsHeart Thanks very much. I'm glad you're getting a lot out of it.

+Magestic Thanks very much for the great feedback. I'm glad you're getting a lot out of my channel. The RPI is a good start and so is the UpBoard. As a network engineer you might find this week's SBC review interesting, which contains a Broadcom switch.

+Herbert Neal windows media center? I hope you're joking ha halibut and samba much faster

but windows

+Marco Onyxheart when you say linux these people pee themselves. must have windoze.

i could think of this as the main-component of a car-pc, i would atleast try it, if i havent build/bought mine a year ago

You've got to make your car setup modular so you can rip out the old SBC and plug in a new one easily. They don't last forever, and while it may be sufficient to get the job done, you will always crave the latest board that is just a bit faster and with more features. XD

Thanks. Glad you found it helpful.

+DumbSkippy No problems, mate. Glad you found it helpful.

It is a nice SBC. The next generation is even better.

MickMake I hope as the company grows they can figure out a way to compete on price. Like I said, $35-40 is much easier to swallow than $90, especially for a piece of tech that will be considered non-essential for the majority of people buying it. Spec bumps will have a hard time justifying a jump in price that big, especially when the RPi 3 is so capable already. Still, though, glad to see competition. Competition is always a good thing in tech.

I was about to say, look on eBay. Lots of great pcs for cheap.

Not at the same physical size with low power consumption and GPIO pins you won't.

Alex Atkin Sure. But for what it can do, not worth it.

Michi Lo You still seem to be missing the point. That if you need x86 software compatibility or a faster CPU than Pi 3 but also GPIO pins and/or direct compatibility with Pi hardware. There really isn't much alternative to this.

+Alex Atkin Odroid C2 and XU4 are less expensive and perform just as well or better in some areas.

+scrammy69 Thanks mate. Glad you appreciate it!

Excellent! Have you got yours yet?

Yep ! I got mine a couple of weeks ago. Are you still waiting?

It actually arrived earlier in the week, but I didn't get a chance to go pick it up.

+TasmDevil1 Ha ha!

Seriously though, you should try it just for the fun.

Added to the list for the review update.

+MickMake thanks you!

will it run minecraft?

+Andreas Brandenborg A pleasure.

Thanks mate

Excellent!

Yes left ears have more fun in later videos.

+Stanisław Szczypuła I didn't actually try that test. However it certainly has the capability in the bios to do that. I'll see if I can add it to the review update, (I have a long list now).

+Fat Cat some will see that as important. not me.

+Modelmat yeah with emulation

Nope, it doesn't work that way. Pi has an ARM CPU, DOS is x86 compatible. So you have to use an emulator.

+Modelmat since when has Dos and Windows 3.1 been compiled to run natively on ARM ? oh that's right it hasn't, thats why you need to run them under an x86 emulator. and then it will be slow as a slug.

+laur well there was Dos that was compiled to run natively on non x86 CPU (Z80 as example, and maybe a few others). it won't run x86 software like games or windows or other x86 software.

Yup, I agree. People like different things. Choice is great! If you want to check out my take on the CHIP, then head on over to kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJyUqbKnyLPGl6M.html

+mikerman50 Haven't had a chance to review the odroid yet, but will be reviewing one of three of the NanoPis that I purchased recently which are comparable to the odroids.

It does have a camera interface, but I didn't do any testing. I need to get a camera first. :-)

+dontwanttosignupok Idiot should really keep his opinion to himself, if he can't come up with any facts to support his opinion. This board is real kicker for it's price. For engineers like myself, who builds all kinds of stand alone and self-service devices that requires compact and efficient SoC board to run user interfaces and stuff, this x86 and Windows compatible board for this price is simple blessing. So please do everybody a favour and shut the f*ck up, mkay?

+Artūrs Savickis thankyou. i have a raspberry pi as well. i like to test alot of different items like this and see what is best for the aplication

+dontwanttosignupok go back to the dark hole where you crawled out from

+Sarah kerr Thanks!

what about 100 dollar buying 10$ computer and cluster them and you got an own 100$ computer!

me too. he cuts through the bullshit and gets right to the point.

mrpixelptlk Thanks mate. That's the goal of my channel.

I don't, but it'd be fairly speedy. You could compare some of the graphics benchmarks with other boards, though.

+AR TAUER I wouldn't be able to tell you. All I know is that dynamic ECU tuning would require more of an RTOS. Possible with Linux. The Up architecture is certainly a lot better than Rpi3 so possibly could be fast enough.

How much to add GPIO over USB though? When I looked it worked out more expensive. It also doesn't have the benefit of size and fitting standard Pi hats. Most tablets usually only have one USB port charging and OTG, so you can't have it run off mains AND use GPIO at the same time, that's a huge problem. I have an Asus T100 and would love to use it with GPIO in tablet mode, but I would have to hack a second USB port as its part of the keyboard dock.

interesting nickname.

Omg I can't stress it enough DONT buy a dual boot tablet you are better off getting just a windows 10 tablet or a android tablet

+hallis1 Sounds great! I didn't test audio out, but o believe that is having the same issue as the I2C and SPI busses. It won't be long, Christmas holidays are on us when a lot of coders will get onto it.

Oh no doubt. I just started a 2 week vacation so i've got plenty of time, FINALLY, to work on some little tech projects here at home. Some involving a Pi2, a Pi3, etc. Not maker stuff but using them as low power optional replacements for some server style applications i'm using old i7 machines for right now.

If you can still run ARM - there is one other board that is well supported and about as fast as the UPboard but has the micro SD slot and one additional USB3 -- Hardkernel's ODROID-XU4; 2 GHz Cortex-A15 (60% faster per clock and 60% faster clocks = ~ 2.6x faster CPU than Pi 3), 2GB RAM. It costs $74 for board and PSU; add $27 for 16GB eMMC or just use a SD card.

I've looked at the XU4 as well. Trying to see if I can pick one up second hand on the cheap.

hallis1 get the Z83ii which is still on sale from gear best. I was going to buy the odroid xu4 as I needed more power than the Pie but then saw that one on sale and jumped on it. It is great!

I don't see why not. I don't have one on hand so I won't be able to test, but the Up contains the most complete implementation of the Pi GPIO I've seen. So I'd say it would work.

I see it from a little different angle. Though I agree. There are different boards that are all very well suited to certain projects. It isn't likely that only one of any of these will be needed. So buy the one that best suits the project and price point.

It depends on what you need, anyone looking for a backup PC should be looking at the more powerful versions.

MsSomeonenew Not really. I wouldn't mind something more powerful then my pi 3 though. It can't play youtube videos very well. Not worth the money for a fully capable PC if it will spend most its time in storage. Last time I brought my pi out was when the power was out. I have a small battery backup for my PC. it was enough to keep my pi, modem, and monitor running. I think a regular computer might draw to much power. The monitor was drawing way to much as it was. I live off a fixed income (One months income for me is about a weeks income for most other people around here.) I can't really justify it. The cost to usefulness ratio of a fully capable backup PC isn't enough. This thing doesn't need to be fully able to run everything my current PC does. Just be able to access the internet so I can get the parts I need to replace. Being able to use it when the power is out or to edit/read documents is nice to. I could always use a public computer. Always remembering how my friend's e-mail accounts send me spam after they logged into a public computer around here. Public computers really aren't something to trust with account information around here.

+Red Bird You've hit the nail on the head there! Makers need options, and frankly the more boards that hit the market with differences such as x86 architecture opens up more opportunities for the Maker.

You can get away with a 3A power supply for the Up, unless you are adding high capacity items such as hard drives/SSD. It's worthwhile spending extra money on getting a quality power pack as some of the China knockoffs on ebay are minimally designed. I'll do a search for you.... In fact I think this is worthy of a video!

Thank you. Really appreciate the effort. Just wanted to buy a sufficiently powered one so that I don't end up with a bunch as different boards seem to have different requirements.

I'd does everything I wish the raspberry pi did. I would get one if I had the spare cash because it's worth having the freedom granted by this new board.

It can't be a pi killer unless it competes at the same price point, which was the OP's point. It is a fancier pricier alternative to pi, not a pi killer.

I hear the words "pi killer" all the time. But if it doesnt have good software support, a good community and close to the same price point, it isnt killing the Pi.

You dont have a spare 100 dollars? That's sad dude.

Not to throw them into the garbage disposer. My Pi's are doing a damn fine job 24/7 for a few years now. If you want to use them as mediacenter the newer version have way more power at the old proice point which is half of this "pi killer". If you can double the price where is the fucking limit? Are IBM Mainframes now considered pi killers because the have at least 10 intel xeon CPU's? Well they certainly have better software support then this thing here.

That's exactly what I thought when I was looking at the Kickstarter campaign.

I thought some Atom processors were arm. For example the one in the Asus Zen pad.

rimmersbryggeri nop Intel doesn't make ARM architecture, intel always has and will continue to make x86 architecture CPU. if you take a look at AMD K1 and Intel 486 DX2 days you will know intel will never stray from what they are making no matter the cost.

Rounak Dutta Ok I see. I guess it should be possible to use windown on the zenpad then since it has an atom processor. I don't know that I think it seems to work much better than any phone with ARM I have had though.

rimmersbryggeri in theory yes, some people have run Windows on a Zenphone 2. However running Windows natively on a zenphone or any zen product is next to impossible.

+Pete Lorenzo Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to back the UDOO x86, but I believe it's fairly similar.

I think the only way is to buy from upboard.

OK. Thanks. I'll find a way to get that board. A second though on price, maybe with the configuration and intention, 50$ is not possible. But 90$+tax is a little bit expensive, as you said yourself. I'll give it a try and see the real value to me. Anyway, this small intel board is what I'm looking for.

But the whole point is its physical size and things like GPIO, neither of which favours the 5350 as you are talking at LEAST ITX size.

Exactly, I run AMD 5350 with 16 GB DDR, two SSDs on two 27+29" monitors and it simply run as absolutely quiet machine. Pi is the best for experimenting (I owe Pi1-3). And I dont see any advantage for this Up, for desktop its too less memory and power and the price is high. Maybe as the terminal, but simply pi cost 3* less... and if you wanna pay 100 USD you may buy normal PC a 5350 with same TDP and compute power in sky.

Jaromír Adámek I will repeat again, if you want the CPU power AND GPIO, there are NO alternatives in this price range. Even if you underclocked a 5350, you won't get its power consumption down as low as the ITX board itself will use a couple of watts. That's the whole point of these Atom SoC.

if u want just more CPU power and same connectives , there are several alternatives such as odroid C2 , nano PI M3 or le maker guitar. if u want to run on x86 architecture , there are lattepanda and udoo x86 but first suffer heat issues and second seems a virtual concept at this time( no unboxing)

It really depends on what your goals are. Having an x86 based architecture opens up another world of possibilities that aren't available on the Pi. For example robotics would be a heavy user of the UpBoard. I still like the Pi. In fact I like anything that fulfils the need perfectly... Whatever it is.

Remember it's essentially a PC. So almost all O/S will run on it. The only issue you will have is with drivers. Since pfsense is FreeBSD based then yes it'll run. The Up uses the Realtek RTL8111G.

+Totel Recall Absolutely. The encoding speeds where almost 3 times faster than a Pi3. Check out the results I uploaded to openbenchmarking.org and just search for MickMake. BTW I watched the 2012 remake of Total Recall just last night. They did a good job of it, but still prefer the original. No one can beat Arnie.

+MickMake haha yea Arnie is the king. get to da choppa! brilliant I can finally hide away a media server!

+hellcat1988 Yes. I've made one now. So next video. No pops!

hahahahaha I see what you did there.... stop it you hahaha

+RudyW This test is planned in the review update on all the boards I've looked at so far.

Thanks for the feedback. Glad you're getting something out of it.

i thought that too would be awesome

Wouldn't even need thunderbolt to make it good...

+Allen S okayva 1070m integrated graphics chip.

+Tanner Sims nvidia tesla integrated"

+Jonzin Gaming eww.

dude.... you understand that in AU/NZ there is no pi 3 for 30 bucks... are you comparing US price to the rest of the world? because ive heard a lot of people from the USA dont seem to think a world outside the states exists.... just say'n...

The cheapest I can get an RPi3 in Oz is for AU$56. The UPboard would cost me AU$140. Yes it is more expensive, but as I said in my video: I'm looking at the bank-for-your-buck. The Intel CPU opens up a lot more software opportunities, and boards like these are competing directly with the Pi. At the end of the day it all depends on what you want to use it for, but the more we see boards like this, the more it will eat into the Raspberry pie.

+Imanol Guerrero Well it depends. The Up is more expensive. So will the extra $ you spend on it be worthwhile? It depends on what you want to use it for. Those extra $ go into add-ons like CPLD chip and other Maker options. It'll work really well as a Kodi box, but a Pi3 will do the same and perform just as well as long as you don't install extra modules into Kodi. The more you install, the more it'll slow down. So, I can't really recommend one over another, but just present as many tests as possible and let my audience decide.

Yes, sorry, but I have one now! So no more headaches.

Watch last video. Yes, better now.

Shadow FlameWind Yup, thanks.

+Richard Conlin Not sure. I've never used a Pipo before, but a quick scan on a couple of forums suggests it can, (freaktab.com/forum/tv-player-support/intel-based-tv-players/pipo-x7-tv-player/25248-new-dual-boot-pipo-x7). Linux can really be shoved anywhere, so it's not a case of "if" but "how difficult". I don't have any plans for reviewing Pipos as these aren't really aimed at the Maker, but more a complete product. However, if I find an interesting enough Maker hack for a Pipo it might be worth a video.

+rickta07 Yes I will be!

+gary fletcher I can! Check out my more recent videos where I've learnt to slow down.

It's essentially a desktop PC, but a whole lot smaller. So it'll run any major O/S out there, (barring graphics, sound and network drivers). I'm no gamer, so not sure if it'll be ideal for Steam.

+Chris B No problem.

I haven't run MAME for years, but I believe the Pi can run almost all games with the exceptions being the ones with a lot of emulated hardware and higher end graphics. EG: A lot of those boxing/fighting games that seemed to crop up in the late 80s. Sigh. A quick google and there seems to be retropie.org.uk/, www.recalbox.com/ and piplay.org/ now. RetroPie has a compatibility list: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IRSmFrSDvIc6gAw0gn12TcQ3HDOwmrETTor8wvvb7VI/edit#gid=1947139826 And something from PiPlay forum: piplay.org/forum/discussion/300/list-of-mame-roms-that-work-with-pimame/p1 Basically YMMV with MAME on Pi. I guess it comes down to: Try it on the Pi, if it doesn't work then you might have to get a faster SBC, or even a desktop.

I haven't tried emulation, and to be honest I probably won't for some time. I might end up doing a comparison of several boards with emulation in one video, though.

+pendragnx They're probably on equal footing with the Up coming ahead. I like the CPLD on the Up, and the default heatsink is plenty enough to keep it cool.

Yes. I used the stock Raspbian GPIO python libraries for one of my tests in the video.

Yes true. A lot of boards will be struggling to catch up.

Since the Phoronix test suites can take days I tend to run some basic performance tests and then sit the board for a week with some burn in tests. You can check out the results at openbenchmarking.org/user/mickmake

Not sure. Haven't tested it.

+Ryan O'Connor Thanks for the great feedback. The Up is more expensive, so it really depends on why you want to use it for, but it's a great little board.

+sandy chin Sandy that's not really my area. I'm sure there are others on KZfaq who have how tos?

+EpicLPer I was referring to the fact that eMMC is a lot like SD flash. They don't last through a lot of writes and they weren't intended to be used for OS storage. Since eMMC is often soldered to the board once they have enough corruption they become useless in practice. But the good old UpBoard can boot off anything so it's not so much of an issue for that SBC.

Yes I have, but yet to order one. A review is planned.

+MickMake awesome :). cant wait

+Petr Blaha No I haven't unfortunately. There's only so much testing I can carry out.

Ok, thx. Hopefully you'll get to all of the tests you'd like to do. ;-)

Absolutely! Works well. That's how i booted and installed Debian.

+Bluehorseshoe Thanks mate!

Yes and yes.

i checked out website they only ship to within USA only...not worldwide

Rohit Shinde Good pick up!

this is great board bt unfortunately not available outside US... Right now Will go with Raspberry pi 3 ...

+Spider Mcgavenport (9mm) I'm not sure I understand your question properly. However they are plain old USB2 ports, so you can attach any USB device to it. Whether it's a Bitcoin data miner or a graphics card.

yep it's called a eGPU Or something like that I know there's two of them in versions mpcie or pcmcia card slot, but there's also a pcmcia card to usb device and was interested in seeing weather or not this system could handle a graphics card that does not need extra power such as a six pin or eight pin power supply. thank you for this single board pc it's something I've been looking for that actually runs multiple operating systems.

Also if possible a sata port replicator would help this device although bottlenecks might get in the way of performance. Thanks and cheers.

This test is slated for the review update, which will be in a couple of week's time.

Awesome! looking forward to seeing it when it's up

+paolo ponzano I haven't had a chance to look at the LattePanda so can't really comment. I'll be getting one soon.

+MickMake thank you c:

If you want a side by side comparison to view from OpenBenchmark that I used in my video, then check out: openbenchmarking.org/result/1603058-GA-RASPBERRY01,1603052-GA-RASPBERRY54,1603051-GA-ODROIDPI362,1607212-MICK-MICKMAK40,1607212-MICK-MICKMAK95

I believe this board would probably fit your needs. It's the smallest PC around, apart from using something like a USB based one, like a compute stick. Good for a small console server in a DC. Low power, no moving parts. If I was looking after a DC still I'd use several of these.

+MickMake Thanks for researching this, !! I'll give it a go ! I tend to go at 4/64 Gb, but would 2Gb/32Gb cut it ?

I'm not sure on the requirements of team viewer. So couldn't say either way.

Yup, this is one aspect where the UpBoard shines and was a good move from them, (even if it was unintentional). When I have a bit of time, I'm going to start hacking around with the CPLD and see how it goes.

Thanks very much Shiva! Glad you enjoy it.

It handles perfectly without a fan. No issues, unless you are really pushing it hard for a long period of time.

+MickMake wish I'd seen this a couple of days ago. Thanks a bunch btw. Subbed and liked!

frostymarvelous Thanks!

If you want to run Windows on it, then yes.

MickMake okay thank

Thanks Ben!

Thanks very much.

It was corny but I still laughed.

That's because corny jokes are funny. No matter what anyone says :)