1 Brood War Pro vs. 4 Silver SC2 Players

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25 күн бұрын

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@uThermal 24 күн бұрын

Join the Discord to participate!! Thanks for watching everyone

@Chefkok09 24 күн бұрын

What is your channel my master

@stevenape377 24 күн бұрын

@@Chefkok09 It's in the video description 👆

@mitang7508 24 күн бұрын

Try to use Protoss Sc1 it may do better results

@47StormShadow 24 күн бұрын

All the BW terrans are sleeping on ghosts....remember they have a ranged stun on ALL mechanical units! Also I have three words for you to try out Uthermal: Stim Firebat Drops...you'll love the results :D

@joshuakim5240 24 күн бұрын

Also from i've seen, a lot of BW terrans seem to be using mech just to see if it can work and they tend to just flop. BW bio with the extremely quick stim+medic combo is kind of nuts in comparison and might be the single strongest opening timing attack in the game.

@Cawfeesomething 24 күн бұрын

Haven’t seen too many people use valkryies either. These things just melt air instantly

@DaRealLegacy 24 күн бұрын

@@joshuakim5240 that marine med stim timing was pretty stupidly good

@47StormShadow 24 күн бұрын

@@joshuakim5240 yup, and unlike the SC2 Terran they can always transition or add mech units into the comp fairly easily

@rjmaxx1258 24 күн бұрын

BW Terran has so many good spells but they are being ignored.

@TheWayManREAL 24 күн бұрын

Those are some amazing silver players.............. they were way better than I was when I was in plat.... :/

@civil5737 24 күн бұрын

Theres probably a lot of good players stuck in the low leauges just from the amount of cheese and other bs down there.

@TheWayManREAL 24 күн бұрын

@@civil5737 idk, in plat I struggled to even get back 100 pop, these people are maxing out on the right units, that counter a lot of comps. Also when I was plat I didn't even know how to counter units correctly, I just did the same build over and over again regardless of unit counters. Wasn't until I understood the game and learned different counters then I went to diamond/masters. Doesn't mean good players aren't in lower leagues I do agree just I see this on Hera's YT a lot, they are "1000" solo but can keep up and with macro score from hera. That just doesn't add up.

@Pico141 24 күн бұрын

@@civil5737 if they die to very weak cheese (I've seen how silver players cheese) they are not good players

@rkanava7245 24 күн бұрын

@@Pico141 Yeah but it's a lot harder to defend in general. If your build isn't optimized you can just die accidentally even if your general mechanics are good. Take terran pushes against toss for example: I still struggle against them as a masters player, and even a silver player knows how to reactor out marines and tanks, and even if it hits later, it will be hard to hold unless you know what to do

@flyselbyhigh 24 күн бұрын

Everyone has had so much more experience in sc2 now. People understand the game way better and not a lot of casual players play multiplayer ladder compared to when it came out. And new players have much better guides and builds to follow since the scene has matured over the last decade

@BobertJoe 24 күн бұрын

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1140">19:00</a> That moment when they pin your wraiths up against the wall of turrets was super hype actually, my brain immediately shot with adrenaline when I saw them pop out of the fog

@SindarinElealar 22 күн бұрын

Btw, Goliath AA is really upgrade reliant. They have 2 attacks with +2 each for a total of +4 per upgrade; +3 Goliaths do 32 damage while +0 Goliaths do 20 damage. It's over 50% increase to their damage (and similarly, enemy armor is efficient against them). So if you need to kill Battlecruisers, Goliaths ARE actually a great option (though in BW Terran mostly went Battlecruiser themselves), but you'll have to start your vehicle weapon upgrades early and micro them at max range. And you need a LOT of them. They're only 2 supply each, you can get 50+ of them easily enough. Supply-for-supply they actually do quite reasonably against BC though as long as you use their range (Battlecruiser's DPS grows a ton if it gets to shoot freely).

@reighzhor1058 23 күн бұрын

I wonder...if you play as SC1 Protoss, got a Dark Archon, and mind controlled an SC2 builder, would you build SC2 tech with that builder? Would it do the SC1 thing where, if you do this in SC1, each race has its own supply tracker, but they share resources?

@BHMTH19B 20 күн бұрын

in BW every race has its own supplys. so if you play protoss you can actually have 600 supply. but in SC 2 its shared. at least not in the campaign its not. already try it with zerg neural parasite and alSo darK archons in 3rd campaign ( protoss). so i have no ideea how they made the mod, but i do know that they did some balance to it bc BW its too OP. it was design with the clunky units in mind so they OP to make up for that( some of them). if i had to guess i think they dont allow you to have over 200 no matter what race.But it should ! i mean if you dumb enough to lose an worker , EVIL VOICE : you must pay !

@Uritzeal 24 күн бұрын

SC1 sounds are so good, love that OG scan.

@sebastianweigand 24 күн бұрын

I love your vids! I'd love to see more BW Terran abilities in a future video: EMP from Science Vessels, and Lockdown from Ghosts. Those used to annoy the crap out of me back in BW! 😉

@jacobkarlin6147 23 күн бұрын

Second on lockdown. Also, bw nukes pack a biggggg punch of 500 damage

@wernerviehhauser94 24 күн бұрын

Maybe don't clump the mines up like this. You don't need six mines to blast a dozen zerglings....

@thomaschevrierlaliberte5884 21 күн бұрын

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2555">42:35</a> ggwp. Real fun to watch including when UT loses which makes it less predictable 👍

@Panzerkuchen 24 күн бұрын

you needed a few ghosts to shut down the BC competely ;)

@maximk9964 19 күн бұрын

This was nostalgic, I used to build a whole bunch of wraiths to try and deny expansions. And then I would use dropships to sneak the ghost onto the high ground near the mineral line for a fat nuke. Ah childhood

@gamergoltz 24 күн бұрын

Damn, I was so close to finally see Valkyries on the field in game one

@ragnarokfps 24 күн бұрын

Brood war marines and medics with tank support is a good counter to thors. And actually Goliaths are great anti-air units, they deal good damage vs air and have a ton of range, but you have to research the extra range just like marines. Flash'a bread and butter is marine/medic, tanks and vultures. You got too much emphasis on vultures. Brood war Terran also have firebats vs the swarming sc2 lings. You should go back and look at some of Flash's games.

@lIllIlllII 24 күн бұрын

Cool games, thhank you. Why do you never build ghosts? Lockdown ability seems op vs mech. Also if you put a medic or two in a dropship you can still heal your marines in the field.

@Pico141 24 күн бұрын

you'll never get in range, a counter to mech is your own mech

@LCInfantry 24 күн бұрын

The lockdown on ghosts I remember being pretty good because it’s cheap

@goodlearnerbadstudent756 18 күн бұрын

not sure about evo mod, but 1 thing you might find interesting is that spidermines can target cloaked units even without detector. It's used by bw pros to counter dt rushes, without needing to alter their build order to get early detection, and hence being economically behind. in bw, goliaths are considered the terran's answer vs air. they are 50 gas(compared to wraiths 100), per upgrade gets +2(x2) compared to wraiths(+2 once) and with charon boosters have 9 range. but love these sc evo videos. thank you!

@soldier22881 19 күн бұрын

love the custom colors instead of the generic red vs blue. +1 good to see broodwar getting some love

@anuarox 24 күн бұрын

ghost lockdown + goliaths, try that againts toss or terran air

@Prodigytoast 13 күн бұрын

Great vid thermy! Would love to see more challenges like this

@MrShavrgo 24 күн бұрын

love this mod love these vids

@booshmcfadden7638 23 күн бұрын

I really do love seeing Brood War played against SC2. Lots of nostalgia. GJ, uTHermal.

@wilsonang4286 24 күн бұрын

I have an insane challenge for you Marc, beating gms in windowed mode😂

@flamerollerx01 23 күн бұрын

That would be a challenge if you limit the resolution to something small for his monitor. You'd have to set three limitations; no more than 1024x768 windowed game resolution, no larger than 27" monitor and no lower than 4k desktop resolution. Perhaps even require 800x600 game resolution, but on a 4k monitor, 1024x768 is tiny (I got a 27" 4k monitor. Anything less than 2k resolution windowed mode and it's unplayable), so that may already be too punishing.

@wilsonang4286 22 күн бұрын

@@flamerollerx01 Haha yeah, I was thinking also along the lines of having no hotkeys as well

@thundron 24 күн бұрын

Double science vessel irradiate each other was pretty nice worker killing tactic, something like oracle harrash

@HappyChillmore 15 күн бұрын

Dude how the hell do you play and talk so much at the same time son competently at both? It’s crazy. Also I’m digging your channel as someone who previously only watches broodwar

@thetabest 24 күн бұрын

Im kinda wanting a zerg bw vs zerg sc2! Which is more powerful?

@boorockt 24 күн бұрын

Medics look insanely good in this challenge. But I also waited the shuttles to heal the marines, too. :)

@FloridaManYT 24 күн бұрын

Valks do splash air damage i thought

@thetabest 24 күн бұрын

Do spider mines block expansions? Or since they dont attack workers hidden in mineral lines to see when they expand?

@flamerollerx01 23 күн бұрын

Yes. I watched a replay on another KZfaqrs channel and the Terran player spiked so many expansions with spider mines. The workers don't trigger the mines, so they have to build detectors, or fly them all the way over, or trigger them with a real ground unit, rather than a hovering unit like workers, high Templar, or archons (dark and regular). I could be wrong though and only workers don't trigger spider mines. Those units I listed were also immune in sc1 though.

@okalsdi 24 күн бұрын

ich kriege immer so bock drauf das Spiel zu spielen wenn ich uThermal zusehe

@mynameismud08 12 күн бұрын

I recommend you do this again, but play as BW Protoss. Build Dark Archons and Mind Control your opponents' workers. Now you can build all three races, make 600 supply and you might be able to take on better opponents. (You have mentioned it is not easy getting silver opponents.)

@slimpwarrior 24 күн бұрын

So fun! Love these

@pablobg6823 24 күн бұрын

Marine, medic battlecruiser is unstoppable.

@PetkoGanev-yu8by 22 күн бұрын

Bro, back those days, the Science Vessels had EMP missle, which nulified protos shields. I didn't see you use it

@JoeMendez579 15 күн бұрын

Freaking epic man this BW videos are amazing

@danielsommerlykke9475 18 күн бұрын

I think the strategy needs to be more ambitious to win 1vs4 and exploit the poor defense of silver players: Do a small and quick 2 rax bio attack, follow up with mass vulture mining most of the map and all potential enemy expansion spots, and raiding on all opponents (use rax'es to scout) while going into 5-6 base mech with mech upgrades and mass tanks aiming for a 180 supply killing push w. a few cloaked wraiths as anti air and to protect science vessels that irradiate clumps of enemy units and themselves to quickly take out their worker lines and use later use emp on protoss armies before the tank fights. If you can take out one opponent completely and keep them on less than half the map with a siege line+turrets, but the tank push is unlikely to win, a yamato battlecruiser transition could help.

@patrickhuffman9632 24 күн бұрын

Do you ever consider coop challenges?

@slimpwarrior 24 күн бұрын

Would love these at some point too

@frothyxd7784 24 күн бұрын

I think he has done a few with goblin in the past, but I may be misremembering.

@malicesutton8592 4 күн бұрын

In broodwar firebats do extra damage to buildings btw

@edibleapeman 23 күн бұрын

Are there any mods that mix SC1, BW, and SC2 and allow you to literally build any unit?

@LichWe 24 күн бұрын

flashbacks from sc1

@flamerollerx01 23 күн бұрын

Vulture/Valkyrie might actually be pretty good. Also Vulture/Tank/Battlecruiser maybe. Goliaths are okay, but they're slow and kinda squishy.

@booshmcfadden7638 22 күн бұрын

Valkyries for anti-air. They shred.

@reighzhor1058 23 күн бұрын

Can we get a BW Ghost-Only game?

@tayloriii6328 24 күн бұрын

Can someone please post a link to where the mod can be downloaded from?

@MeesterG 23 күн бұрын

Wasn't it a thing that you could pick up Sieged Tanks with the Dropship?

@user-ct4kl1rn4y 23 күн бұрын

Omg YAAAAASSSSSSSSSS!!! ❤

@unnamedlegeon 24 күн бұрын

Uh why there's an indicator on the map on where is the opponent is located? 🤔

@marcinluter1195 23 күн бұрын

biggest bw advantages are ui and engine improvements in sc2 engine, you could not select 2 buildings at the same time in broodwar. '98 sc is more clunky, and i love wraith's ;d anti carrier unit, just snipescan observers ;d

@flamerollerx01 23 күн бұрын

1v1 BW Terran vs any other race except BW Terran might actually be able to win with a worker rush.

@dogfoot1874 24 күн бұрын

They straight up back stabbed. They were going to own you one way or the other

@MrAndersonneo88 21 күн бұрын

Love this mod

@konstantinlehmann8307 24 күн бұрын

I'm in your discord (and silver). How can I play in these chalanges?

@fishlobs 24 күн бұрын

ggs

@t3nse7en 20 күн бұрын

Calling yourself a Broodwar pro.... Call your Grandmaster friends and petition Blizzard to make a Brood War ladder on this engine, climb the ladder up, then call yourself a pro! (I just really want to play Brood War on this engine for realzies)

@thecommonsensican 24 күн бұрын

Marc, is SC1 op in this mod? Saw Lowko comment the same. Realize it’s still new and they’re still balancing, but curious for your opinion 👍🏽

@uThermal 24 күн бұрын

I think if SC2 really wants to win they'll always win because sc2 has some ridiculous units that you can't really counter with brood war races, in macro games I'm not quite sure ^^

@thecommonsensican 24 күн бұрын

@@uThermal lol, just finished the vid…I see what you mean. Thank you for the awesome content! 🙏🏽🙏🏽

@dkizzle3135 24 күн бұрын

@@uThermal seems to me like the current seeming dominance of SC1 is that SC2 players don't know how to counter SC1 builds yet

@wedgeantilles8575 24 күн бұрын

@@uThermal I played BW back in the days and my guess would be: In late-game games, SC1 could have the edge in this mod. Why? Because some mechanics like Spellcaster are way stronger in SC1 than in SC2. Same goes for stuff like Zerg Hatcheries. In SC1 it is balanced with "horrible" mechanics in mind. Using spellcasters in SC1 is way harder than in SC2 (and that's why way less efficient) Building from 10 hatcheries is way harder (and takes much longer) than it is in SC2. Because you couldn't hotkey all hatcheries, you had to select them manually. But in this mod, we get to play them with the superior mechanics of SC2. -> This should give the SC1 races an advantage (if they get to the late game of course.) But this is only my theory and I am unskilled. Your thoughts about this?

@smexypapayas 24 күн бұрын

@@wedgeantilles8575 Just the opposite, I think. Brood war units are pound for pound stronger than SC2 units, but they are inflexible and really bad at map control. Worse still, they don't mass well and require enormous amounts of micro to make good use of each individual ability. What this usually results in is one of two results: 1) the brood war units brute force their way in and destroy everything before it becomes a problem. 2) the SC2 units get all their tech and abilities and just out last and out maneuver the brood war units.

@crabking2206 24 күн бұрын

1 vs 4 sc2 silver... man u r pro

@xeruexe1624 24 күн бұрын

Well now. This feels like those BW Melee maps where you have to hold out against 7 AI opponents... Actually, can you use the mode to fight against 7 Extreme AI?

@geniegogo 18 күн бұрын

GG well played! 1 v 4 is not that easy.

@leoritchie9635 23 күн бұрын

You have the advantage of the silvers, likely having no clue exactly how your units work

@mohamedhimeur2991 23 күн бұрын

Are BW Ghosts still a meme in this mod?

@njdarda 24 күн бұрын

these are getting more and more cruel

@SH-os1ck 3 күн бұрын

I love these 1 v #. But silver is too low... They can't compete. At least high gold. Or 6 silver. OK, nevermind! 😂

@kaiser2261 23 күн бұрын

The one Terran was prob plat...no silver is 9k/4k max BC with 5 bases 100 turrets under 20 mins. Gold MAYBE if you're terrible at dealing with pressure. I think 4 true silvers uThermal can do it

@Jabullz 24 күн бұрын

Wouldn't valks of been the end of all those BCs? They are a direct counter.

@Tom_a_youtube_commentor 24 күн бұрын

No, wraiths are the counter to BCs, BCs are the counter to valks, and valks are the counter to wraiths.

@dshlango 21 күн бұрын

The Shure MV7 pop filter is really bad dude

@user-jm2sq4of2p 24 күн бұрын

I hate starcraft 1 micro so much, but I really want to play the campang, now I see hope.

@TheChesnutCafe 24 күн бұрын

The Mass Recall mod has been around for ages, and let's you play the sc1 and bw campaigns in the SC2 engine. There is even a mod to let you play the warcraft 3 campaign in the sc2 engine.

@mut3d 24 күн бұрын

play mass recall then. You won't regret it.

@user-jm2sq4of2p 24 күн бұрын

@@TheChesnutCafe I see lol, I'll go check it out.

@wedgeantilles8575 23 күн бұрын

@@TheChesnutCafe Wow, I didn't know that! I grew up with SC1 and BW and I'd definitly love to replay it - but I am just spoiled by SC2 and can't go back to the mechanics in SC1. Your recommendation is much appreciated, I'll definitly use this to replay SC1 :)

@user-mv2nn6rw2w 23 күн бұрын

You need nukes.

@nohuart9854 22 күн бұрын

LOL steam without medics kinda triggers me LOL poor marines

@No_one_113 24 күн бұрын

Can anyone tell me how to play this mode Please

@frothyxd7784 24 күн бұрын

Go to the melee section, not arcade, pick any map and there should be a mod button somewhere on screen just search for evo.

@No_one_113 23 күн бұрын

@@frothyxd7784 thanks

@No_one_113 23 күн бұрын

@@frothyxd7784 thank you

@maddocpax788 18 күн бұрын

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="345">05:45</a> I think you're clumping the spider mines up too much, getting overkill on the lings. Fewer would do just as effectively and if placed at intervals and in depth, some ought to remain. Earlier when you didn't know where'd they go, from the minimap it looked like one ling triggering three mines (overkill indeed).

@CaiisGaming 24 күн бұрын

So i need to go ranked untill i hit silver again it seems :'D

@maxolo1 23 күн бұрын

love u @uThermal , but also love when the silver/gold beats you hehe

@nolalb824 24 күн бұрын

Shouldn’t it be called “S” rank ?

@alexganz2582 23 күн бұрын

BW protoss -> rush to dark arc. -> mind control drone + SCV -> 600 supply 1 v 4

@StarcraftPlague 24 күн бұрын

Seems like a tough challenge, holy... ggwp

@ghoohg551 23 күн бұрын

1 BW vs 7 cheater sc2 bots when?

@KorewaKosmo 24 күн бұрын

How is this even a challenge

@Anon_Fox 24 күн бұрын

why don't the silver league players communicate and do like a 8 minute all attack timing? Is that only a gold quality? LOL

@scottwright1379 24 күн бұрын

Because an 8 minute timing attack at 16 minutes vs uthermal probably won't work 😂

@baron2062 23 күн бұрын

Thing is that silvers dont know how to defend against a GM's harrass, so if the GM pushes back 2 attack timings eight minutes then they just have two seperate fights which they easily win. Technically the best rush would be idk 2-3 cannon rushes and one 12 pool rush at the exact same time, nothing a gm could do about that, but its also not fun.

@TraumaQC 23 күн бұрын

Isn't IamSerral your gf? She learned well

@franciscoaliano5626 14 күн бұрын

Hi Marc, I really enojoy your videos. I had an idea, maybe someone already suggest this to you or maybe you don't think this is funny, but do you remember the PiG 1vs10 IA speed run? I played it after watching your video with the PF and eventually I manage to beat all the IA. And today I just played with this mod, is so different, I went sc2 terran vs all BW IA. Dragoons just erase my defense. This is the video from a year or so ago: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aMmUjbSKrLPJdas.html