Amazing work! The blue tint is probably because of backlight failure. They either used low cost LEDs or overdrive them too much and the phosphorus that converts blue to white light deteriorated. Also interesting to see how much LCD quality variation there is.
@dolbyman7 ай бұрын
Probably, there is tons of LED streetlights that turn blue (phosphor layer/coating degrading,letting the blue LED's shine through)
@Kevin-ce8cl7 ай бұрын
The blue spot failures are pretty visible on every bar LCD around playing hockey all day. Basically seems to be a never ending cycle of getting blue enough for replacement and then in a matter of a year or two the blue returning.
@loki767 ай бұрын
Most of their LCD TVs are of the budget end as well. Almost all of them are Fire TV, and Insignia and Samsung "crystal" (low end crap) and TCL low end and so on. Only 900A and 90B from Samsung and the "frame" are of so called higher end. Their testing methodology is also to much of the same content. Like literally the same footage. Even if they use the same "channels" that content would shift a bit. But here it's the same segments over and over and over. Of course both OLED and LCD will take a beating like even normal use with twice as many hours wouldn't.
@GrandHighGamer7 ай бұрын
It's sad that the modern designs and form factors don't really make this as easy a repair as it really ought to be otherwise.
@CrusinVK7 ай бұрын
A lot of LCD manufacturers use a blue led light, and then apply red & green filters.... They do this because white led lights have too much colour temperature variables in manufacturing.
@random_n7 ай бұрын
I wasn't expecting the full-screen colour shifting to be so severe and would love to know the underlying cause. This really is one of the coolest ongoing tests out there. But even knowing what Rtings does best, I still just wasn't bready for that outro.
@RTINGScomRD7 ай бұрын
We'll be diving a lot deeper to learn as much as we can about the underlying issues going on! Also, 🍞
@max-to-max7 ай бұрын
@RTINGScomRD I just want to say that Abby is hot. Please let her know. She looks great unlike TVs tested.
@shawnswinferd7037 ай бұрын
I see what ya did there. Good one :)
@damnkris7 ай бұрын
> This really is one of the coolest ongoing tests out there For the TCL 5 Series it seems like one of the warmest ongoing tests 5:18
@radry1007 ай бұрын
Degradation of the nano coating...
@8078007 ай бұрын
Just wanna say, thank you for your service!
@RTINGScomRD7 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching! We appreciate it 😄
@SecretSauceyjuice4 ай бұрын
This, thiiiis is why I keep coming back to RTINGS for TV and other panel data. It's thorough and presented a way that's simple to understand. Whether on the website or in videos.
@gatsnguts7 ай бұрын
And you would think that the more midrange tvs were more prone to failure than high-end models. Like with the OLEDs - expectations subverted. You’re doing great work, folks!
@RTINGScomRD7 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! 😄
@LutraLovegood7 ай бұрын
Keep in mind the sample size is very small, literally n=1. If they had ten, twenty or even a hundred of each model the results might be very different.
@marceldiezasch61926 ай бұрын
I've experienced this a lot with different tech products. Motherboards, GPUs... the more mainstream and mass market, the more reliable. The small quantity expensive enthusiast SKUs had noticeably more issues.
@tim31726 ай бұрын
I've always wondered why people believe this. An expensive car won't last longer. An expensive house won't last longer. An expensive watch won't last longer. Sure, there's a point where if you buy *the cheapest* of something or choose something off-brand it might degrade, but once you get into lower-midrange you're in the clear. Going upmarket means you're dealing with people with disposable income who value the latest-and-greatest over longevity.
@mrm18854 ай бұрын
@@tim3172 Have you heard the saying: "you get what you pay for"
@mathesar5 ай бұрын
When I bought a Pioneer Kuro 5080HD Plasma in 2007 I didnt think it would still be working today (no repairs) It may of lost some of its original brightness punch but ive been able to mostly compensate using the picture settings and otherwise still looks great and still has the impressive black levels kuros were known for. But I'm glad RTINGS exists for when it comes time to replace it.
@jonathanparle84294 ай бұрын
That is amazing. My Mum still has her Panasonic Viera LCD that she bought in 2007 and it is still going fine as well.
@paulhenry17673 ай бұрын
@@jonathanparle8429 Same goes with my Panasonic Plasma. I refuse to buy a new TV until this one dies. Never an issue with it ever.
@Cowcow2117 ай бұрын
Abbey's intro expression and sneaky appearances behind the TVs midway kills me. Also Toaster Trailer when?
@RTINGScomRD7 ай бұрын
Keep your eyes open for some bread 🍞🍞
@michaelseitz89387 ай бұрын
The expensive Samsung Q90 had a very splotchy image from the very beginning. Recently, two of the background LEDs started flickering and turned yellowish. Unfortunately, they started to work alright again after I called the Samsung service and was told that I still have 1 year of warranty left. I am pretty sure the LEDs heard that and will fail again once the warranty has ended 😁 Also, the work you are doing is awesome 😊
@ozanozkirmizi477 ай бұрын
Thank you Abby... 👍 Please kindly convey our appreciations to your team members. Brilliant job!
@Marc.Google2 ай бұрын
Agree!
@exsnozer7 ай бұрын
I really like these tests. Its what is needed. 5 years of use is average for many tvs while many still hold on to tvs for up to 10+ years. Ill be watching intently and see what happens. Ive got the samsung qn95b and alienware aw3423dw myself so it is very interesting to see how they hold up. :)
@ericmatthews84977 ай бұрын
I agree. All reviewers focus only on new products. They get new TVs in, review them, tell us how great they are, and send them back to the manufacturer. CES comes around and they tell us how excited they are. The new TV's come in ... wash ... rinse ... repeat. Not one of them offers even the slightest hint at reliability. This torture test is providing real insight into problems that one might encounter after just a few years. And, they are uncovering implementation issues (like pixel refreshing) that can be fixed by the manufacturers with firmware updates. This was sorely needed.
@Krzys_D7 ай бұрын
Bought a Samsung Q60T two years back glad its doing good in its testing! Thanks for the great video!
@chrome37207 ай бұрын
One of my tvs is 65inch q80t still looks amazing
@kelownatechkid7 ай бұрын
Interesting and useful, killing it as always Rtings!
@producerevan887 ай бұрын
I've had my sony x900h 55 inch for over 3 years now and I have zero issues with DSE or color/brightness issues. I am still upset with the fact that the TV never got true 4k 120hz or a semi serviceable VRR mode, but I will live with that for now -_-
@Varmint2606 ай бұрын
I have the same TV, similar age. I am also annoyed about the no 4K120 issue or reasonable VRR support. I've not had issues with colour or brightness, though it has this annoying habit of the screen turning off by itself once every week or two and only a restart brings it back to life.
@ajwtf65394 ай бұрын
I have x90J going strong but that was a replacement for 900e which broke after 4 1/2 years , I strongly believe it failed because it was in direct sunlight
@earthoid7 ай бұрын
My 4 year old Sony LCD used to set the LED backlight fully on high in HDR mode with no way to turn it down. A recent update now allows HDR brightness to be adjusted. I used to worry about burning out the backlight, and now possibly turning it blue, but at least I can control the backlight now.
@ricarmig24 күн бұрын
It is not so difficult to understand: higher speeds, faster decoding, more brightness and all this without fans or really new developments. At the end, the generated heat wears everything even faster off and the more sensible elements (LED/OLED) and light diffusers/liquid Cristal also get in trouble. I think the best thing is: - have a smaller cheap TV for constant news/people watching TV for hours a day - a high end TV for TV shows and movies - for regular TV programs, set the brightness to medium or even low - maintain the room temperature as cool as possible and a noiseless fan behind the TV spinning low: it will maintain the TV cool. Avoid wall mounts.
@ford15467 ай бұрын
led lights that illuminate the lcd panel also have weaknesses. if you set the backlight to 100%, they often have a short lifespan. the yellow coating in the led bulbs can also be worn by the heat and become thinner so the blue ultra violet shines through so the image becomes more blue. you got oten light spots over the screen since led bulbs offte shine brighter in the middle. some of the problems they have managed to get rid of or reduced
@loki767 ай бұрын
Yes, and this test isn't natural to any TV tech. Including OLED. It's a loop of exact same content where it will show the exact same images in the same spots over and over with same intensity. There is no variation despite using "different" content. I'm not sure but they might have it cranked on all TVs the light that is. People usually don't have that at all times.
@tydshiin57837 ай бұрын
@@loki76 I think that anyone who does these tests will obviously crank it to a 100, basically to make it a benchmark at it's highest performance
@hellterminator7 ай бұрын
The only LCD TV failures I've seen in real life were several Samsungs that developed blue-purple spots in random places on the panel (I conjecture it to be backlight failure). It's interesting I haven't seen that represented in your test yet.
@veilmontTV7 ай бұрын
Just had a samsung lcd had had since 2017 develop a problem where the backlight was making the frame in the bottom left so hot it hurt to touch. Tvs die
@faultier11587 ай бұрын
My 4 years old Philips LCD monitor developed a reduced-blue spot in the middle of the screen, but my 10 years old Samsung LCD monitor doesn't have any obvious issues.
@guily66697 ай бұрын
I have seen those blue spots on a almost brand new Samsung model a few years ago on some curved one in a store displaying Samsung demos...
@SubZtx7 ай бұрын
That is exactly what it is. I had a 40" Samsung 4k I was using as a PC monitor. There were 3 areas where the LED light turned Purple. I ordered new strips. Disassembled and replaced the LED strips ( I shocked myself once, that was fun.... guess there was still some juice in there after I unplugged it ). Anyway after I replaced the strips no more purple.
@guily66697 ай бұрын
@@SubZtx Was it QD LCD? Did you just replace with normal blue color leds or are they UV?? The one I saw with that problem was Quantum Dot a few years ago in a store and they are like blue leds or at least they say blue but I wonder if they aren't actually UV instead...
@SGCSmith6 ай бұрын
The LCD issues pointed out in this video I see very often, especially on cheaper TV sets. It seems to be a backlight issue in every case. The uniformity getting worse is probably due to LEDs in the backlight regions individually failing. In my experience with leaving some Vizio TV sets on for a few years straight, the individual LEDs will fail first, followed by entire LED regions, followed by the TV's power supply (perhaps the LEDs are turning into wires rather than diodes?) Anyways, some food for thought.
@jonathanparle84294 ай бұрын
I would love for that to be the case since backlights can often be replaced. I have a spare set of backlights for my 10 year old LG that is now exhibiting uniformity issues. I have not got around to replacing them since I am party scared I will ruin something but it is getting to the point where soon enough I would have nothing to lose anyway. The fact that the worst uniformity issue is a vertical strip did have me wondering about the backlight but I still struggle to see how a backlight can cause this dirty screen effect. To me it looks more like the backlight itself as degraded something in the panel. Afterall, I would have thought backlight issues would cause much more random uniformity.
@andrewz47187 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to know which of the LCD failures were TV's with blue led blacklights using quantum dots to convert to the various colours. That quantum film wears out over time and the smaller blue dots go quicker than the larger red. Normal white LED backlights with colour filters will probably last longer.
@vanCaldenborgh7 ай бұрын
But with less blue, the TV should look more brownish instead of more blueish, I think...
@guily66697 ай бұрын
@@vanCaldenborgh Well all my normal LCDs never had any issues, they all look exactly like day 1 after many thousands of hours of use. My 2009 LG led IPS LCD tv, my 2011 Samsung 1080P led LCD TN monitor and my 2015 4K Samsung led LCD VA TV look exactly like day 1 but none are HDR or have high brightness. I'm guessing the high brightness is what's permanently burning the front layer matte or semi gloss anti reflection coating or maybe even screwing the first light reflective white layer and maybe even the colour converter layer. Ps: I just bought a Hisense U8KQ and this is looking scary, hope it doesn't go bad any time soon at least for the next 10 years as I luckily never had a single led LCD fail on me yet, also this TV heats like crazy even just being ON at the dimmest backlight option which isn't great since I'm guessing high heat is likely what's causing Mo's of those issues.
@andrewz47186 ай бұрын
@@vanCaldenborgh Some went pink some blue. Pink is the quantum dot one blue is the white led backlight. A white led is a blue led with a yellow phosphor as the phosphor burns out it becomes bluer.
@vanCaldenborgh6 ай бұрын
@@andrewz4718 Ah, yes the "white" LED is a blue LED with a special layer to get a broader spectrum. I just saw yesterday another video about the invention of the blue LED and also mentioned that.
@tsl788118 күн бұрын
LEDs have been turning blue long before quantum dots. Has more to do with their quality. Unfortunately, manufactures don't focus on quality parts but the lowest bidder or a better promise of performance with no weight given to a track record.
@falcie77437 ай бұрын
Funny how the LCD screens look worse than the OLED ones. The burn in isn't nearly as noticeable as the color shifting in big patches.
@jonathanparle84294 ай бұрын
I notice the same thing. It actually has me thinking that an OLED with a properly sorted maintenance algorithm would actually maintain far better uniformity for longer. I am thinking of going OLED just for that reason but I am struggling with a solution to all the classic 4:3 content that I watch (other than running those OLED full screen burn in patterns on KZfaq every week). I am prepared to compromise on movies by zooming and very slight stretching to get rid of the black bars but there is nothing you can do with 4:3 content - the bars are just way too wide.
@FURognar7 ай бұрын
Considering that every OLED has developed severe burn-in and only about 1/3 of the LCDs are showing signs of wear, most of which is only visible in test slides, I would say LCD is much better than OLED for durability purposes. Proven without a doubt at this point.
@OniMirage7 ай бұрын
You won't get a like for that comment from rtings. You need to bow before oleds right now lest you anger the display gods. Jokes aside rtings will never, ever admit that with their own objective data that lcd is far more reliable. This test is a larger version of one that they have already tried to do, they didnt admit it then and won't admit it now. Their rugs are full of fact dust swept under them.
@exscape7 ай бұрын
Literally nobody expected anything else, though. However, I think many (including myself) expected the LCDs to do far better still. For both display types, it's worth reiterating that the test is already up to 7200 hours, meaning if you use the TV for 4 hours a day, the current state of the test is at about 5 years in. And since the test is at 100% brightness *and* with static content, it's a worst case scenario in addition to that. If you use your TV sensibly (less than 100% brightness, not 100% content with huge static elements) you'd probably have less wear in 10 years of real usage.
@OniMirage7 ай бұрын
@exscape no one but calibration snobs will run at less than 100% though. most of us have windows at home to compete with during day hours.
@FURognar7 ай бұрын
@@OniMirage I run at 30% but then again mine is in a light controlled dedicated room. Its also insanely bright (a TCL QM8, 2000+ nits). But even in my bright living room, I ran with the backlight at 30%
@exscape7 ай бұрын
@@OniMirageMy OLED TV is not calibrated and I run at about 18-25% for SDR. Much more is just uncomfortable. I prefer viewing in a dark room though.
@DMKAELExperience20 күн бұрын
My Q60T had black lines after a year of pruchase. Had it serviced/replaced LCD. After a year replacement, the same unit is now only black screen (keeps on restarting) IT was even serviced from Samsung Service Center!
@Toastmaster_50007 ай бұрын
I wasn't aware LCDs had image retention issues, let alone ones this bad. Pretty interesting.
@HegoDamaskII6 ай бұрын
Most common with IPS LCDs.
@Dr.WhetFarts5 ай бұрын
@@HegoDamaskII No its not. Tons of VA panels have same issue.
@Valdaemonium3 ай бұрын
yes LCD can have image retention, but the cheapest ones.
@GoodleanTV7 ай бұрын
If there is a correlation between panel type (va, ips +\- mini led) and failure it would interesting to see what that is. For instance, it seems like VA + mini led is the way to go (oled aside) so I wonder how the tech does compared to IPS or whatever.
@RobertBoerner7 ай бұрын
The trailer at the end for the toaster video is excellent, and now I want some toast :-)
@RTINGScomRD7 ай бұрын
Keep your eyes peeled on this channel 👀
@RobertBoerner7 ай бұрын
@@RTINGScomRD I’m sure you will answer my burning questions (burning, not burn in :-)
@pf100andahalf7 ай бұрын
The news clips displayed on the tv's during the video are excellent. Well done.
@VinegarAndSaltedFries6 ай бұрын
Keep up the great work. Bought a Sony 77inch A95L last month. In love with it.
@MrLehi997 ай бұрын
I am watching this on an an XR65A80CL and I was sad to see the A80K got removed from the test due to panel failure. With Sony seemingly leaving the OLED game for a while it'd be nice to see any of their mid level OLEDs from the 2023 L series be tested.
@nicnl2557 ай бұрын
I really like this channel. Abby is a good host and speaks perfectly, and as a non-native english viewer it's always a pleasure.
@ChudyAuron877 ай бұрын
Amazing work, as always.
@RTINGScomRD7 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching as always! 😄
@simpson67007 ай бұрын
when you're done with a TV that showed spots of discoloration i would like you guys to try and wipe them with a bit of pressure. maybe a decade ago i bought a used TV, which the previous owner had for some reason laid face down on a pillow. there was a massive dark spot where it laid on the pillow, i was pretty mad and almost threw it out, but my dad just pressed on the spot and wiped it till it went away.
@Impackon7 ай бұрын
Good job presenting ( again) 😉
@timmyp62977 ай бұрын
I have a 16x10 26 inch MINTEK I bought at Costco in 2005. It was among the first batch of LCD displays. From purchase to 2012, it was a computer monitor on 16 hours every single day (in a very literal sense btw). After that it was a bedroom tv for ~2 years, then I lent it to my neighbor (she was 94) for 3 years where it was on 24/7 (she never turned it off, not even at night). It never failed. Never faded. The backlight is still totally uniform. Not using it since I got it back, but the amount of use it got is ridiculous and the fact that it still works is even moreso.
@Purplesunset-7 ай бұрын
CCFLs are reliable.
@wkbdgeorge7 ай бұрын
Thanks for keeping companies in check!!!
@Honeypot-x9s7 ай бұрын
I could imagine they could create a bigger and better form of compensation that is maybe image/content aware so it color corrects better than just adding yellow tint. Probably could even some automatic LED wear compensation using the time on counter and a lookup table for expected deterioration time of the coating.
@LurkerPatrol57 ай бұрын
I love this channel so much. Abby is the best presenter
@orthog427 ай бұрын
This is an impressive project, and I'm one of the people who appreciate the work. It has helped me not worry about how I use my LG G2.
@RTINGScomRD7 ай бұрын
Glad to hear we're able to help out! Hope you're enjoying your G2 😄
@langstonbelin7 ай бұрын
My Toshiba CCFL lcd still works after 9 years of it being the main tv in the house (2011-2020) and 2 years of being my bedroom tv. But the hisense Toshiba fire tv died after a year and a half with a mobo issue. It’s the only tv I’ve ever had fail in my life out of 8-9 TVs.
@interstat22226 ай бұрын
Manufacturers of budget models often drive LED backlights too hard and since HDR (and high backlight brightness default settings) it has become worse. TVs now are sold too cheaply due to high competition. If people would be willing to pay 50% more, it would enable higher reliability, but the market's too cutthroat.
@robotech19907 ай бұрын
I have an 86 inch LG Nano cell for about a year. The tv works from 6:30 am to 2:00 am everyday. Hope it will last for about 6 to 7 years. Till now there's no signs of work.
@loki767 ай бұрын
So you would already have 6,000 hours on it and no flaws yet. See this test they have isn't varied enough and failures are random because there is no "control" group. Meaning they do not have two of every kind of TV. So the U8H is failing badly in their test. Question is would another U8H look exactly the same? If so then they can definitively say it's a design and TV problem.
@tim31726 ай бұрын
@@loki76It's not a scientific, peer-reviewed study to determine if the U8H is a good or bad TV. It's a demonstration and evaluation of the overall longevity of late-model LCD televisions in general.
@josh01567 ай бұрын
Always nice to check in on this little experiment. The results are quite intriguing!
@wme37855 ай бұрын
Is it possible that the tall eldritch wizard @ 2:48 is negatively influencing the TV backlights? You should really mention this sort of variable in your test protocol. Not everyone has evil in their house.
@derenbong60607 ай бұрын
Amazing work guys!
@CaveyMoth7 ай бұрын
I still use my old Vizio 768p HDTV from 2011 all the time, lol.
@charlesmyers81507 ай бұрын
Glad to see my 2020 Samsung q90t has no issues.
@OniMirage7 ай бұрын
Despite an equivalent amount of time and all the oleds having permanent burn in, just ignore those because lcd can have issues sometimes too. just vary the content and you won't notice it as much oh and ignore that you can vary the content with lcd too and have longer sessions of pure static content, just ignore that as well
@MasterMark57 ай бұрын
All tvs start to have problems eventually
@OniMirage6 ай бұрын
@MasterMark5 my comment is about the absurdity of the disclaimer in the beginning, literally saying to ignore the oled stats
@tim31726 ай бұрын
@@OniMirage They're not saying "ignore the OLED stats". They're saying keep things in perspective. "Longer sessions of static content" like what? For use as a computer monitor? Then sure, buy an LCD. Even most people who only have, say, 5 hours/night or something to play video games won't notice it on OLED.
@Joshua-xh6bm7 ай бұрын
I somehow feel more validated than ever with my choice to go OLED, especially seeing some of those 10 months slides on more recent panels especially the monitors. They hold up insanely well over time, all things considered. I have a question though: I've seen 5% grey slide and 50% gray slide being tossed around and I know that these are designed to show burn in on OLED, but which one of those is better and which is worse, and which one is closer to being seen in actual content?
@kineahora87366 ай бұрын
5% gray is a much tougher (more sensitive) test- you can see burn-in much more easily on 5% gray than 50%…
@starrims17 күн бұрын
Best tech channel in the world!
@joebass51633 ай бұрын
I have a Kuro FD-110 from 2008 I bought used for $150 and a Panasonic ST60 from 2013 I purchased new. Both are plasmas and look great. They may not be the latest and greatest but their picture quality is still excellent.
@SpontaneousWeasel7 ай бұрын
Thankyou guys for making this content and dispelling all the myths about TVs! I have been using your site for buying advice for a number of years now. Also toaster comparison? WOW!
@maluminse601325 күн бұрын
5:50 "nearly constant CNN as part of a torture test" Talk about hitting the nail on the head.
@AntonioCunningham7 ай бұрын
5 years *is not* a long time. Not eveyone can change their TVs in less than 5 years. 5 years should be a minimim, not a goal. Especially if we're talking thousand dollars plus for a TV. If I know a TV will fail before 5 years, I don't care how good it looks, I'm not buying it.
@mrn2347 ай бұрын
Yup After 4-5 years i maybe start to think about buying a new one when there is a worthwhile upgrade. My Grandparents had their last tube TV until 2010 and that thing was around 20 years old.
@curtisbme7 ай бұрын
My sister had some internal lenses start falling off the inside of her tv and they thought their child had hit it in spots with a ball as it was round dim areas. Found out it was a common failure. You could still everything so it hadn't technically failed completely but certainly did not look good anymore.
@tsl788118 күн бұрын
These TVs are not on a factory shake table. The only vibration they get is rolling them out of the row for a screen test. But sometimes just the shock.of heating and cooling will let the lens or the phosphors fall off. Do they let them cool to normal ambient room temperature, say 75? With all the TVs running on high, they will be putting off some heat.
@brafyaАй бұрын
sitting here with my 13 year old bravia NX still putting out delta 2.2 after regular calman check ;)
@nameinvalid697 ай бұрын
Been using Samsung LCD TV as computer main monitor for... 13 years? Long usage time, can say average 12h a day, whole year continuesly. Yes I am hermit / hikikomori. 😭 Luckily, no color issue. It just the edge become darker (about 1cm distance have dark gradient), a couple subtle small dark dots I not sure if they are just dust or mold (not noticeable in regular usage), or pixel falure? Also slight burn in on the taskbar. Can still tolerate it... still usable.
@zodiacfml7 ай бұрын
about to say something similar, an LG 4k TV as monitor 12-16 hours a day for 6 years. I had to fix it though with the scotch tape technique, and no more wireless connectivity.
@jenk75695 ай бұрын
This is awesome! Was wondering if there was any summary by brand/tier?
@marcse7en7 ай бұрын
My 3 year old 50" Moresense U7QFTUK is a real champ! Panel is the most perfect I've ever seen on any TV. After careful adjustment, picture and sound are the best I've ever seen and heard. I'm often told by the Moresense naysayers, how bad the brand is, but clearly my TV doesn't know how "bad" it is? 🤣 Happy viewing everybody! ... My viewing certainly is! 👍 EDIT: I also have a 22" Samsung from 2011, which is as good as the day I bought it 13 years ago! ANOTHER EDIT: 16 year old 42" Panasonic Plasma from 2008 ... Yep, you've guessed it! 🤣 Guess I got "lucky, lucky, lucky" as Kylie would say? 👍
@masomaf7 ай бұрын
Jep lucky. I am always very carefull on my materials. But they fail me lot. Except for my iphone(s) Oled 2018 c7 lg: 5 years of use.. burn in Garmin sonar Depth reader on my boat: 1,5 years of use, screen suddenly black (luckely waranty was still ok) Etc etc.. Modern electronics are bad in longetivity mmkay
@masomaf7 ай бұрын
Thanks again for pointing things out. I am starting to think of replacing my lg oled c7 after 5 years of use (games/series/movies). The subtitle region has a bit burn in. But lcd are not holding much more lifespan according to these tests. Modern electronica are better than older with regard to performance but not with regard to lifespan. My previous tv lasted 8 years. I now know I have to replace a tv each 5 year so I will be in my budget / savings.
@loki767 ай бұрын
Well my 7 year old LED 900E with 25,000 hours would like to have a word with you. It's still flawless in all tests. Realize a lot of the TVs that fail here are low end models with crappy backlight and LCD panels. They cut corners or they couldn't be sold as budget. The more disturbing problems are the slightly higher end ones. But that seems like random. Also this test they are doing isn't natural to any TV Technology OLED or LCD. It's the same content loop all the time and they have them cranked to max if I recall correctly.
@masomaf7 ай бұрын
@@loki76 you are just lucky Most modern tv’s just fail after some years. Just as other modern electronics. I bought the lg c7 in 2018, a high end tv with a high end price. Now it starts failing on burn in in the subtitle region. Strangely what does last long are iphone(s) long updates and no screen burn.. Its also oled panel, made by samsung but special order for apple and also some things are not the same as on the samsung phones themselves.
@langstonbelin7 ай бұрын
Pre 2019 oleds had a lot of issues with burn in
@masomaf7 ай бұрын
@@langstonbelin new ones too.. technology doesn’t change.. we have to wait for the next innovation that gives perfect blacks, contrast and color.. but doesnt suffer from burn in.. oled is the best screen quality thats ‘affordable’ for consumers now.. Rtings checks this regularly.. the new qd oleds also burn in.. The newer oleds do have a dim echnology to dim static things like logo’s
@Kryptic10466 ай бұрын
My TCL R648 QLED is used primarily as a PC monitor and it already has light burn-in of a couple Windows taskbar elements. I've had it less than a year and haven't clocked very many hours on it, but it is showing light retention of the taskbar. My three year-old Samsung Q70R has it too. You'd never notice it in actual content but you can see it faintly in a medium or dark gray slide. Some think only OLED is susceptible to burn-in, but my LEDs would beg to differ.
@TheTryingDutchman7 ай бұрын
Excellent content, 10/10 rting!
@RTINGScomRD7 ай бұрын
Much appreciated! 😄
@GraveUypo3 ай бұрын
oh thank you so much for this. this has been my experience with lcds over time, and people never believe me when i say my oled is actually outlasting most of my LCDs in picture degradation, with so far my 2010 plasma being the best at not degrading (still looks brand new, though probably dimmer than it was, idk) ever since CRTs. my 2013 samsung tv that i used as a monitor barely lasted 2 years before it became completely overtaken by dirty screen that was visible in any content and became unusable to me.
@DrakonR3 ай бұрын
Did you even watch the video? Most have no issues.
@Barbarapape7 ай бұрын
After over 50 years in consumer electronics i am always interested to see how the latest models and panel tech compare to earlier models. The biggest mistake with LCD models was the change to LED backlights, driven hard at high brightness levels make make a TV look stunning when new, but as those LED's start to fail, the image becomes unwatchable. I have a Pioneer Kuro Plasma that is still giving an excellent image and looks great with an HD source, this is one area where the 4K panels often stuggle, the inbuilt upscaling is often poor and renders them useless with lower resolution images. My point is that newer is not always better, keep that brightness and contrast down or be prepared to buy another TV in a couple of years.
@loki767 ай бұрын
Well I have a Sony 900E LED/FALD and it has 25,000 hours on it and going on 7 years come May. It is still flawless no color shifts or anything in grey slides or color test patterns. I have a feeling they don't make em like they used to problem is cropping up.
@mrn2347 ай бұрын
@@loki76 You would notice something when you place a brand new out of the box model right next to it.
@SireEvalish7 ай бұрын
Abby fan club checking in.
@happydays75174 ай бұрын
My three large Samsung TVs from 2013 and 2014 are still flawless, so I question your methods. And that is up against the LG C2 I purchased last year.
@stephendevore99267 ай бұрын
Thanks. I was wondering how long some would last. I figured the visual damage would appear. But it proved the issue is Slow BLUE in issue. The more sinister failure of nowing there a problem but how long before you scrap itfm for another Good Video 😎
@epd158429 күн бұрын
Abby is the GOAT of RTINGS.
@horizoncore4517 ай бұрын
owner of sony x900f here, 5 years as desktop display ~ 15h/7, permanent image retention of taskbar, can be noticeable in dark games such as Alan Wake 2 =/
@Chickenbreadlp4 ай бұрын
Tind or backlight issues I fully expected withg LCDs. Especially the ones with more dimming zones to have more issues with tint makes sense given that the LCD is subjected to more heat and the backlight to more temprature cycles. But what I *wasn't* expected was image retention issues. Sure, LCDs also can suffer from TFT drift, just like OLEDs, but LCDs can make use of pixel inversion which should make TFT drift a non-issue 😲
@EmperorOfMan7 ай бұрын
I have an X95J. So good it doesn't even need a test! LETS GO BABY!
@matthiasmartin43553 ай бұрын
Remarkable that you can pay these electric bills.
@Lollllllz7 ай бұрын
I wonder if we can attribute the varying failure modes to a specific component of the lcd panel (Led, Diffuser/polarizer?, lcd layer itself etc)
@jonathanparle84294 ай бұрын
I am curious too. The problem with my TV is 100% due to some "layer" in the LCD panel having deteriorated.
@mysteryboyee6 ай бұрын
it's crazy how much of a difference a single year can seem to make, looking at TCL 5 series in particular, i see that the 2020 model year (the s535, i actually own this model myself, so good to see it continue to rock on with no issues) is listed as no issues, but then only 1 year later, the updated 2021 model(the s546) is in the "showing issues in real content" section, makes me wonder if TCL really dropped the ball that hard on the upgrades for 2021, or is that just bad luck on your own purchase you made
@davidmojonnier10346 ай бұрын
Thanks Abby. Excellent information.
@brianpederson73157 ай бұрын
I've just noticed my Epson projector has developed a "spot" that takes up about 25% of the image and it's not centered... Hmmm LCD problems, who knew!
@Marc.Google2 ай бұрын
What about the LG G2 deterioration due to dead green sub-pixels? It was not mentioned and left of the list at the 1 minute mark @RTINGS
@motionthings6 ай бұрын
I'm watching this on a 13 year old 42 inch LCD Philips TV. It's been on 24 hours a day for many years.
@framehowitzer7 ай бұрын
Crazy to see some very expensive ones dying already. My Vizio plasma from 12 years ago is still going strong, though tending a bit dark in some scenes. Still looks amazing with the lights dimmed. I keep wanting to get something new but the Vizio just won't die so I feel like I should keep waiting.
@grisflyt7 ай бұрын
I have an almost 20 yr old (2006?) Philips plasma. It's just 720p. The cheap remote with rubber buttons stopped working. That's all. I did get faint burn in because I used it 4:3. Slight red tint, I believe only visible against green background. Think football field. It disappeared quickly when I used it in 16:9. Which all broadcasting is in since long. Still great colors and contrast, though resolution is pitiful. I paid $1500 or $1800. About mid-range at the time. Cheapest were around $6-800. Horrible 480p LCD screens.
@tim31726 ай бұрын
I wonder how much money you've wasted on the power to keep that thing going. You probably could have gotten 2 replacement TVs by now.
@bigjezza087 ай бұрын
Aha your face popping out at 2:46 😂 thanks, without this video, people that heard my claims about LCD suffering IR too just assumed I needed to have a nap or visit rehab
@sepg50846 ай бұрын
I still have a CRT TV that's around 30 years old that still works and is not discolored. I guess modern TVs are disposable 🤷
@interstat22226 ай бұрын
Put the cost you paid for that CRT TV into an inflation calculator and it'll show you (roughly) what you have to spend now to get the same kind of quality.
@AdventuresOfDetroit7 ай бұрын
So far no TV beats my Samsung HP-S4253. I Would love a new 4k one but research and stats is one thing, my my eyes is the best thing. As we all know 4k is not cheap.
@wx29997 ай бұрын
Toaster teaser trailer
@RTINGScomRD7 ай бұрын
🍞🍞🍞
@exsnozer7 ай бұрын
Bread o clock
@interceptor0017 ай бұрын
Well this test just shows me why I buy only basic TVs and no high end stuff.
@spyofborg2 ай бұрын
Would love to see the electricity bill :D
@RTINGScomRD2 ай бұрын
😅
@lostn656 ай бұрын
you don't need 5 years of CNN to destroy a TV. One week is usually enough.
@bigred9428Ай бұрын
Yes! I can't believe they haven't had half the tvs just stop working already.
@1marcelfilms18 күн бұрын
Destroys your brain too hahaha
@1fadf23f4 ай бұрын
Great project, and Abby is a good host. Very useful info
@bobsoft7 ай бұрын
My 2010 Samsung LN46C650L CCFL backlit TV is still looking awesome!
@thesocialisthedgehog63204 ай бұрын
As someone without any income, I am in the unique position of being stuck with an obscure Samsung TV that I rescued from a FedEx store. It's a commercial product designed specifically for businesses that want displays to run text walls for years and years. I wonder how long a display such as mine would last in this test. Also interestingly, during the video I found myself judging people who would tolerate a horribly tinted display, or those that wouldn't even notice the difference, but once I scrolled to the comments I remembered the 8 inch white gash on the bottom of my screen, and some terrible irony set in. Anyways, incredible work on these tests.
@fuzzycuffs7 ай бұрын
Rtings doing gods work
@tim31726 ай бұрын
They're... sitting idly by as millions die needlessly? That's a a disgusting accusation.
@Remi_Jansen9 күн бұрын
My 2013 samsung smart tv has 63.211 panel hours on it, that's 1517 days or 7.2 years. pretty impressive
@magicmusic86 ай бұрын
thanks for testing all these LCD panels. My plasma TV colour still looks perfect after 15yrs.; any screen burn in fades on this TV... Will AI improve TV quality & lifespan ? or just create a new line for the sales rep.
@Marc.Google2 ай бұрын
I find it interesting (coincidence?) that the first two TV’s to experience a TKO were both Sony’s (X95J & A80K)… this surprised me a lot…
@veganporkkebab389Ай бұрын
This is only confusing me even more which TV to buy next to keep for 5 years. Currently using Panasonic DX902B since 2017. I can't see any issues. Question is which TV I can buy today that will last me 5-6 years that has most modern features and good enough picture quality. Based on this video I am worried non will last that long.
@Marc.Google2 ай бұрын
Please ADD the SAMSUNG S95D to your tests AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! It is the first 3rd generation OLED panel on the market. @RTINGS
@markmmm17372 ай бұрын
I still have a hx850 from 2012 to my eyes it is still as good as day 1. I would loveto do a side by side comparison with a new unused one.
@OtojitoBG2 ай бұрын
I have Sony 48 for 10 years working good i play alot non stop games
@Frostie3672Ай бұрын
Wonder what the real life issue is with the LG NANO90 2921 TV that they're seeing as that's the tv I've got & been using it for 3 years, it's on for at least 12 hours a day, sometimes upto 16 hours with all the family members in the house. Can't see any issues with the picture so far & all test screens are ok apart from DSE which it's always had although I only see it when watching football.
@LilDurr7 ай бұрын
The Sony x95k showing signs mages me worry about getting the x93l 😟
@jeffcarbello91155 ай бұрын
Same thoughts I had and even more so for X95L! And I noticed no videos were presented to show what in Sony's was in test images. We need a Sony video itself since these are some very expensive TVs
@CantankerousDave6 ай бұрын
I have a 32” Vizio lcd TV that I bought back in 2007 that’s still working great. It’s only 720p and is “dumb,” but sometimes that’s perfectly fine.
@chrome37207 ай бұрын
Got 65inch q80t its on like 14hrs a day still looks great
@peterandras7 ай бұрын
I got a 2019 Samsung Q9FN 55 and until last year it was used at least 10hr's a day, and it is going fine. I made a screentest last week, I saw nothing wrong on it. Until now by far my best tv!!! Now I purchased an LG G3 65... yes it is better on the image, but I have a suspicion that will start to fail earlier than the Q9FN.😢 But of course the optimism is here yet that new generation oled's are better.
@jeffcarbello91155 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks. Of concern is Sony's top models like the 2022 flagship (X95K) having test patterns issues that will only get worse is not a comforting thing for spending that much money on flagship product. But I noticed none of the examples were of Sony to see what was showing in test patterns. It would be helpful to show per vendor issues in test patterns that could highlight if Sony's issues are in an area of great concern to a potential buyer of their next flagship model.
@AbdelOO75 ай бұрын
They did mention that this doesn’t always necessarily mean that it’s because of the TV lineup being bad, but just bad luck with a specific tv that they own. Don’t forget it’s a crazy stress test.
@yourikhan44257 ай бұрын
Kind of reassuring, but still surprised to see these errors something that's not OLED.