Probably, there is tons of LED streetlights that turn blue (phosphor layer/coating degrading,letting the blue LED's shine through)

The blue spot failures are pretty visible on every bar LCD around playing hockey all day. Basically seems to be a never ending cycle of getting blue enough for replacement and then in a matter of a year or two the blue returning.

Most of their LCD TVs are of the budget end as well. Almost all of them are Fire TV, and Insignia and Samsung "crystal" (low end crap) and TCL low end and so on. Only 900A and 90B from Samsung and the "frame" are of so called higher end. Their testing methodology is also to much of the same content. Like literally the same footage. Even if they use the same "channels" that content would shift a bit. But here it's the same segments over and over and over. Of course both OLED and LCD will take a beating like even normal use with twice as many hours wouldn't.

It's sad that the modern designs and form factors don't really make this as easy a repair as it really ought to be otherwise.

A lot of LCD manufacturers use a blue led light, and then apply red & green filters.... They do this because white led lights have too much colour temperature variables in manufacturing.

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> This really is one of the coolest ongoing tests out there For the TCL 5 Series it seems like one of the warmest ongoing tests 5:18

Degradation of the nano coating...

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Keep in mind the sample size is very small, literally n=1. If they had ten, twenty or even a hundred of each model the results might be very different.

I've experienced this a lot with different tech products. Motherboards, GPUs... the more mainstream and mass market, the more reliable. The small quantity expensive enthusiast SKUs had noticeably more issues.

I've always wondered why people believe this. An expensive car won't last longer. An expensive house won't last longer. An expensive watch won't last longer. Sure, there's a point where if you buy *the cheapest* of something or choose something off-brand it might degrade, but once you get into lower-midrange you're in the clear. Going upmarket means you're dealing with people with disposable income who value the latest-and-greatest over longevity.

@@tim3172 Have you heard the saying: "you get what you pay for"

That is amazing. My Mum still has her Panasonic Viera LCD that she bought in 2007 and it is still going fine as well.

@@jonathanparle8429 Same goes with my Panasonic Plasma. I refuse to buy a new TV until this one dies. Never an issue with it ever.

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I agree. All reviewers focus only on new products. They get new TVs in, review them, tell us how great they are, and send them back to the manufacturer. CES comes around and they tell us how excited they are. The new TV's come in ... wash ... rinse ... repeat. Not one of them offers even the slightest hint at reliability. This torture test is providing real insight into problems that one might encounter after just a few years. And, they are uncovering implementation issues (like pixel refreshing) that can be fixed by the manufacturers with firmware updates. This was sorely needed.

One of my tvs is 65inch q80t still looks amazing

I have the same TV, similar age. I am also annoyed about the no 4K120 issue or reasonable VRR support. I've not had issues with colour or brightness, though it has this annoying habit of the screen turning off by itself once every week or two and only a restart brings it back to life.

I have x90J going strong but that was a replacement for 900e which broke after 4 1/2 years , I strongly believe it failed because it was in direct sunlight

Yes, and this test isn't natural to any TV tech. Including OLED. It's a loop of exact same content where it will show the exact same images in the same spots over and over with same intensity. There is no variation despite using "different" content. I'm not sure but they might have it cranked on all TVs the light that is. People usually don't have that at all times.

@@loki76 I think that anyone who does these tests will obviously crank it to a 100, basically to make it a benchmark at it's highest performance

Just had a samsung lcd had had since 2017 develop a problem where the backlight was making the frame in the bottom left so hot it hurt to touch. Tvs die

My 4 years old Philips LCD monitor developed a reduced-blue spot in the middle of the screen, but my 10 years old Samsung LCD monitor doesn't have any obvious issues.

I have seen those blue spots on a almost brand new Samsung model a few years ago on some curved one in a store displaying Samsung demos...

That is exactly what it is. I had a 40" Samsung 4k I was using as a PC monitor. There were 3 areas where the LED light turned Purple. I ordered new strips. Disassembled and replaced the LED strips ( I shocked myself once, that was fun.... guess there was still some juice in there after I unplugged it ). Anyway after I replaced the strips no more purple.

@@SubZtx Was it QD LCD? Did you just replace with normal blue color leds or are they UV?? The one I saw with that problem was Quantum Dot a few years ago in a store and they are like blue leds or at least they say blue but I wonder if they aren't actually UV instead...

I would love for that to be the case since backlights can often be replaced. I have a spare set of backlights for my 10 year old LG that is now exhibiting uniformity issues. I have not got around to replacing them since I am party scared I will ruin something but it is getting to the point where soon enough I would have nothing to lose anyway. The fact that the worst uniformity issue is a vertical strip did have me wondering about the backlight but I still struggle to see how a backlight can cause this dirty screen effect. To me it looks more like the backlight itself as degraded something in the panel. Afterall, I would have thought backlight issues would cause much more random uniformity.

But with less blue, the TV should look more brownish instead of more blueish, I think...

@@vanCaldenborgh Well all my normal LCDs never had any issues, they all look exactly like day 1 after many thousands of hours of use. My 2009 LG led IPS LCD tv, my 2011 Samsung 1080P led LCD TN monitor and my 2015 4K Samsung led LCD VA TV look exactly like day 1 but none are HDR or have high brightness. I'm guessing the high brightness is what's permanently burning the front layer matte or semi gloss anti reflection coating or maybe even screwing the first light reflective white layer and maybe even the colour converter layer. Ps: I just bought a Hisense U8KQ and this is looking scary, hope it doesn't go bad any time soon at least for the next 10 years as I luckily never had a single led LCD fail on me yet, also this TV heats like crazy even just being ON at the dimmest backlight option which isn't great since I'm guessing high heat is likely what's causing Mo's of those issues.

@@vanCaldenborgh Some went pink some blue. Pink is the quantum dot one blue is the white led backlight. A white led is a blue led with a yellow phosphor as the phosphor burns out it becomes bluer.

@@andrewz4718 Ah, yes the "white" LED is a blue LED with a special layer to get a broader spectrum. I just saw yesterday another video about the invention of the blue LED and also mentioned that.

LEDs have been turning blue long before quantum dots. Has more to do with their quality. Unfortunately, manufactures don't focus on quality parts but the lowest bidder or a better promise of performance with no weight given to a track record.

I notice the same thing. It actually has me thinking that an OLED with a properly sorted maintenance algorithm would actually maintain far better uniformity for longer. I am thinking of going OLED just for that reason but I am struggling with a solution to all the classic 4:3 content that I watch (other than running those OLED full screen burn in patterns on KZfaq every week). I am prepared to compromise on movies by zooming and very slight stretching to get rid of the black bars but there is nothing you can do with 4:3 content - the bars are just way too wide.

You won't get a like for that comment from rtings. You need to bow before oleds right now lest you anger the display gods. Jokes aside rtings will never, ever admit that with their own objective data that lcd is far more reliable. This test is a larger version of one that they have already tried to do, they didnt admit it then and won't admit it now. Their rugs are full of fact dust swept under them.

Literally nobody expected anything else, though. However, I think many (including myself) expected the LCDs to do far better still. For both display types, it's worth reiterating that the test is already up to 7200 hours, meaning if you use the TV for 4 hours a day, the current state of the test is at about 5 years in. And since the test is at 100% brightness *and* with static content, it's a worst case scenario in addition to that. If you use your TV sensibly (less than 100% brightness, not 100% content with huge static elements) you'd probably have less wear in 10 years of real usage.

@exscape no one but calibration snobs will run at less than 100% though. most of us have windows at home to compete with during day hours.

@@OniMirage I run at 30% but then again mine is in a light controlled dedicated room. Its also insanely bright (a TCL QM8, 2000+ nits). But even in my bright living room, I ran with the backlight at 30%

@@OniMirageMy OLED TV is not calibrated and I run at about 18-25% for SDR. Much more is just uncomfortable. I prefer viewing in a dark room though.

Most common with IPS LCDs.

@@HegoDamaskII No its not. Tons of VA panels have same issue.

yes LCD can have image retention, but the cheapest ones.

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CCFLs are reliable.

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Manufacturers of budget models often drive LED backlights too hard and since HDR (and high backlight brightness default settings) it has become worse. TVs now are sold too cheaply due to high competition. If people would be willing to pay 50% more, it would enable higher reliability, but the market's too cutthroat.

So you would already have 6,000 hours on it and no flaws yet. See this test they have isn't varied enough and failures are random because there is no "control" group. Meaning they do not have two of every kind of TV. So the U8H is failing badly in their test. Question is would another U8H look exactly the same? If so then they can definitively say it's a design and TV problem.

@@loki76It's not a scientific, peer-reviewed study to determine if the U8H is a good or bad TV. It's a demonstration and evaluation of the overall longevity of late-model LCD televisions in general.

All tvs start to have problems eventually

@MasterMark5 my comment is about the absurdity of the disclaimer in the beginning, literally saying to ignore the oled stats

@@OniMirage They're not saying "ignore the OLED stats". They're saying keep things in perspective. "Longer sessions of static content" like what? For use as a computer monitor? Then sure, buy an LCD. Even most people who only have, say, 5 hours/night or something to play video games won't notice it on OLED.

5% gray is a much tougher (more sensitive) test- you can see burn-in much more easily on 5% gray than 50%…

Yup After 4-5 years i maybe start to think about buying a new one when there is a worthwhile upgrade. My Grandparents had their last tube TV until 2010 and that thing was around 20 years old.

These TVs are not on a factory shake table. The only vibration they get is rolling them out of the row for a screen test. But sometimes just the shock.of heating and cooling will let the lens or the phosphors fall off. Do they let them cool to normal ambient room temperature, say 75? With all the TVs running on high, they will be putting off some heat.

about to say something similar, an LG 4k TV as monitor 12-16 hours a day for 6 years. I had to fix it though with the scotch tape technique, and no more wireless connectivity.

Jep lucky. I am always very carefull on my materials. But they fail me lot. Except for my iphone(s) Oled 2018 c7 lg: 5 years of use.. burn in Garmin sonar Depth reader on my boat: 1,5 years of use, screen suddenly black (luckely waranty was still ok) Etc etc.. Modern electronics are bad in longetivity mmkay

Well my 7 year old LED 900E with 25,000 hours would like to have a word with you. It's still flawless in all tests. Realize a lot of the TVs that fail here are low end models with crappy backlight and LCD panels. They cut corners or they couldn't be sold as budget. The more disturbing problems are the slightly higher end ones. But that seems like random. Also this test they are doing isn't natural to any TV Technology OLED or LCD. It's the same content loop all the time and they have them cranked to max if I recall correctly.

@@loki76 you are just lucky Most modern tv’s just fail after some years. Just as other modern electronics. I bought the lg c7 in 2018, a high end tv with a high end price. Now it starts failing on burn in in the subtitle region. Strangely what does last long are iphone(s) long updates and no screen burn.. Its also oled panel, made by samsung but special order for apple and also some things are not the same as on the samsung phones themselves.

Pre 2019 oleds had a lot of issues with burn in

@@langstonbelin new ones too.. technology doesn’t change.. we have to wait for the next innovation that gives perfect blacks, contrast and color.. but doesnt suffer from burn in.. oled is the best screen quality thats ‘affordable’ for consumers now.. Rtings checks this regularly.. the new qd oleds also burn in.. The newer oleds do have a dim echnology to dim static things like logo’s

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Did you even watch the video? Most have no issues.

Well I have a Sony 900E LED/FALD and it has 25,000 hours on it and going on 7 years come May. It is still flawless no color shifts or anything in grey slides or color test patterns. I have a feeling they don't make em like they used to problem is cropping up.

@@loki76 You would notice something when you place a brand new out of the box model right next to it.

I am curious too. The problem with my TV is 100% due to some "layer" in the LCD panel having deteriorated.

I have an almost 20 yr old (2006?) Philips plasma. It's just 720p. The cheap remote with rubber buttons stopped working. That's all. I did get faint burn in because I used it 4:3. Slight red tint, I believe only visible against green background. Think football field. It disappeared quickly when I used it in 16:9. Which all broadcasting is in since long. Still great colors and contrast, though resolution is pitiful. I paid $1500 or $1800. About mid-range at the time. Cheapest were around $6-800. Horrible 480p LCD screens.

I wonder how much money you've wasted on the power to keep that thing going. You probably could have gotten 2 replacement TVs by now.

Put the cost you paid for that CRT TV into an inflation calculator and it'll show you (roughly) what you have to spend now to get the same kind of quality.

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Yes! I can't believe they haven't had half the tvs just stop working already.

Destroys your brain too hahaha

They're... sitting idly by as millions die needlessly? That's a a disgusting accusation.

Same thoughts I had and even more so for X95L! And I noticed no videos were presented to show what in Sony's was in test images. We need a Sony video itself since these are some very expensive TVs

I got a 2019 Samsung Q9FN 55 and until last year it was used at least 10hr's a day, and it is going fine. I made a screentest last week, I saw nothing wrong on it. Until now by far my best tv!!! Now I purchased an LG G3 65... yes it is better on the image, but I have a suspicion that will start to fail earlier than the Q9FN.😢 But of course the optimism is here yet that new generation oled's are better.

They did mention that this doesn’t always necessarily mean that it’s because of the TV lineup being bad, but just bad luck with a specific tv that they own. Don’t forget it’s a crazy stress test.